vlad on the tyne Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Think Smith's been a consistent performer wherever he's been deployed. An experienced head/voice on the pitch but if he did decide to leave I don't think it's leaving a massive hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Wilson played about 15 first team games. Hickey's an outstanding talent and we should value him accordingly. Makes no difference where we are in the league. If that rumour is correct. We are getting good money for Hickey. Back of a fag packet but, Initial fee - £1million Potential fee - £2million Loan back fee - £100k Loan back wages - £800k Potential Sell percentage if sold for the same fee paid by City (30% on £2million) - £600k Meshino loan fee - £100k Meshino loan wages - £400k Total - £4million If he's any good, we might get a fair bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: If that rumour is correct. We are getting good money for Hickey. Back of a fag packet but, Initial fee - £1million Potential fee - £2million Loan back fee - £100k Loan back wages - £800k Potential Sell percentage if sold for the same fee paid by City (30% on £2million) - £600k Meshino loan fee - £100k Meshino loan wages - £400k Total - £4million If he's any good, we might get a fair bit more. That's more like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Danny Wilson is absolute dog turd and I was so happy he left. He would be a huge step backwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: Based on the evidence that he's our and Scotland's best young prospect and that 2m is pennies to Man City. Liverpool paid 2-5m for 19 year old Danny Wilson after a handful of games. Bayern paid 15m for 17 year old Alphonso Davies from a Mickey Mouse league. We need to value our young players higher. scotlands best young prospect is billy gilmour Edited July 4, 2020 by milky_26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, milky_26 said: scotlands best young prospect is charlie gilmour Is he Billy's brother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, milky_26 said: scotlands best young prospect is charlie gilmour Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 minute ago, John Findlay said: Is he Billy's brother? dont know what you mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, milky_26 said: dont know what you mean 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Lafferty looks like going to Motherwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 03/07/2020 at 21:30, dazajmbo said: Aaron Hickey will almost certainly join Manchester City in a permanent deal this window, with the option of loaning back for upto 18 months. The payment from Man City will be in installments and will include a 31% sell on clause to Hearts. Hearts will not pay any percent of his wage if he does return on loan. A left winger is also being looked at on loan from City. Colin Doyle to leave soon. Interest in John Souttar from Aston Villa, John McGinn has suggested that he is considered. Michael Smith is in the thoughts of several english championship sides, aswell as Rangers. Sam Nicholson desperate to come back to Hearts but has interest from Bristol City & Aberdeen. Robbie has earmarked 6 current players he would like to move on, and is in discussion regarding a player from dunfermline and a loan signing from Arsenal. 3 ex players are currently out of contract and have offered to come back for little or no wages until January. Keen on a central midfielder who is at Motherwell. Bored on a Saturday night, I looked on Transfermarkt, the left wingers at Man City are (if they have dual nationality, I put both in and also anything interesting about them:) Liam Smith - 16 year old Scot Samuel Edozie - 17 year old English/Nigerian Morgan Rogers - 17 year old English Marlos Moreno - 23 year old Colombian - Colombian international Thomas Agyepong - 23 year old Ghanaian - Was on loan at Hibs Aminu Mohammed - 19 year old Ghanaian Jayden Braaf - 19 year old Dutch/Suriname Keyendrah Simmonds - 19 year old English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 10 hours ago, OTT said: Don't really see right back as a hugely important position. Y'know, in the same vein as having a good keeper, striker, CB pairing is. I think it speaks volumes that Rangers would rather sign a 31 year old RB than give a youngster a shot playing 2nd fiddle to Tavernier. Eh? Not getting the first sentence at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreigC1 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 03/07/2020 at 21:40, dazajmbo said: I think the player might be Liam Polworth (personal thought) This is who sprung to mind immediately for me as well. Open Goal called this one last week, wondering why teams didn't come in for him because he is class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloSergio Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Bored on a Saturday night, I looked on Transfermarkt, the left wingers at Man City are (if they have dual nationality, I put both in and also anything interesting about them:) Liam Smith - 16 year old Scot Samuel Edozie - 17 year old English/Nigerian Morgan Rogers - 17 year old English Marlos Moreno - 23 year old Colombian - Colombian international Thomas Agyepong - 23 year old Ghanaian - Was on loan at Hibs Aminu Mohammed - 19 year old Ghanaian Jayden Braaf - 19 year old Dutch/Suriname Keyendrah Simmonds - 19 year old English I’d rule out Jayden Braaf as he is getting interest on a permanent deal elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 03/07/2020 at 23:52, gnasher75 said: 3 ex-players out of contract who want to come back. A few possibilities. Clevd Dikomama Oli Bozanic Alim Ozturk Kyle Lafferty Dario Zanatta Billy King Sam Nicholson Jamie MacDonald Osman Sow is another. If I had to guess Nicholson and Dikomona or Bozanic are the others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 48 minutes ago, jake said: Eh? Not getting the first sentence at all. I'm saying that you can get by with a weaker full back compared to goalkeeper or centrebacks (as we found out!). Basically that its a less essential position than those two. If you have a crap goalkeeper it shows, but a crap full back can get bailed out by a good keeper or CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 03/07/2020 at 21:30, dazajmbo said: Aaron Hickey will almost certainly join Manchester City in a permanent deal this window, with the option of loaning back for upto 18 months. The payment from Man City will be in installments and will include a 31% sell on clause to Hearts. Hearts will not pay any percent of his wage if he does return on loan. A left winger is also being looked at on loan from City. Colin Doyle to leave soon. Interest in John Souttar from Aston Villa, John McGinn has suggested that he is considered. Michael Smith is in the thoughts of several english championship sides, aswell as Rangers. Sam Nicholson desperate to come back to Hearts but has interest from Bristol City & Aberdeen. Robbie has earmarked 6 current players he would like to move on, and is in discussion regarding a player from dunfermline and a loan signing from Arsenal. 3 ex players are currently out of contract and have offered to come back for little or no wages until January. Keen on a central midfielder who is at Motherwell. I would be happy with all of that except Souttar leaving. Nesbitt would be a good signing. 6 leaving I guess would be Zlamal, White, Damour and Berra with any from Washington, Uche and Garuccio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 4 hours ago, milky_26 said: scotlands best young prospect is billy gilmour I meant in Scotland. Gilmour does look the business. Shame him and Hickey will probably have to wait until they're 21 or something to be properly integrated into the full Scotland squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Not sure if this has been asked before, but I assume the outcome of the court case would have a big impact on our signings. @dazajmbo Do you know what the club are planning... championship, premiership, or no idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 What we decide to do about Berra, will be the interesting one. He had an absolutely dire season last term in the Premiership with us. He then went on to stroll the Championship. If we assume we are in the Championship next season, then I could see him being one of our best performers again. A combination of a strong confident keeper, weaker opposition, and an extended rest coupled with a Neilson pre-season could see a bit of a rebirth for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: What we decide to do about Berra, will be the interesting one. He had an absolutely dire season last term in the Premiership with us. He then went on to stroll the Championship. If we assume we are in the Championship next season, then I could see him being one of our best performers again. A combination of a strong confident keeper, weaker opposition, and an extended rest coupled with a Neilson pre-season could see a bit of a rebirth for him. We need to play to his strengths and cover his weaknesses. I think Berra will play apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Special Officer Doofy said: What we decide to do about Berra, will be the interesting one. He had an absolutely dire season last term in the Premiership with us. He then went on to stroll the Championship. If we assume we are in the Championship next season, then I could see him being one of our best performers again. A combination of a strong confident keeper, weaker opposition, and an extended rest coupled with a Neilson pre-season could see a bit of a rebirth for him. If in championship, Berra will be able to end his hearts career playing his part in returning hearts to the top league. Head held high - he deserves this. Will also help bring other players on. Definitely a win win. If we stay in premiership, probably won’t see him play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Baxfee said: If in championship, Berra will be able to end his hearts career playing his part in returning hearts to the top league. Head held high - he deserves this. Will also help bring other players on. Definitely a win win. If we stay in premiership, probably won’t see him play. I know it’s probably very unlikely we will be in the Premiership, but... could he be a revelation after having sufficient time to recover from his injury, a thorough Neilson pre-season, and better players behind, in front and beside him? Maybe not of course, but I’m not totally ruling it out. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Berra should be a back up, hope we got the money from Dundee at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 21 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: He’s much slower than those two though, he will have obviously get better as he learns the game at CH (having been a striker) and won’t be playing such a high line. He has a fair way to go though to be at the level we need in the top league anyway. I think Halkett will be fine. Just needs to play in a settled back 4 or 3. I’ve heard he’s been training hard and now on a new eating plan.....he’s down to 1 munchy box for 4 instead of his usual 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 IMO would give Osman Sow a chance. RN is best placed on whether my thoughts are misplaced or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Saughton Jambo said: I think Halkett will be fine. Just needs to play in a settled back 4 or 3. I’ve heard he’s been training hard and now on a new eating plan.....he’s down to 1 munchy box for 4 instead of his usual 2 Me too, lockdown goals 💪🏿. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulf Jambo Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 46 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: IMO would give Osman Sow a chance. RN is best placed on whether my thoughts are misplaced or not. Robbie barely played then released him last season so highly doubt it. Injuries seem to have caught up with him unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattie exploited Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 how do you know this for fact ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Phil D. Corners said: We need to play to his strengths and cover his weaknesses. I think Berra will play apart. If we are playing with the ball from the back, Berra can’t do it! He is still fantastic at defending the 6 yard box but that’s simply not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) On 03/07/2020 at 21:30, dazajmbo said: Aaron Hickey will almost certainly join Manchester City in a permanent deal this window, with the option of loaning back for upto 18 months. The payment from Man City will be in installments and will include a 31% sell on clause to Hearts. Hearts will not pay any percent of his wage if he does return on loan. A left winger is also being looked at on loan from City. Colin Doyle to leave soon. Interest in John Souttar from Aston Villa, John McGinn has suggested that he is considered. Michael Smith is in the thoughts of several english championship sides, aswell as Rangers. Sam Nicholson desperate to come back to Hearts but has interest from Bristol City & Aberdeen. Robbie has earmarked 6 current players he would like to move on, and is in discussion regarding a player from dunfermline and a loan signing from Arsenal. 3 ex players are currently out of contract and have offered to come back for little or no wages until January. Keen on a central midfielder who is at Motherwell. Good deal if we get £1.5M+, back on loan with no wages for 18m, and a sell on fee. Would be delighted with that to be honest. Not surprised RE Doyle. Good that we've been able to help him out this last wee while with everything that's happened with his family but we can't sustain it forever. We don't need him as a player, so him coming back to training etc would be pointless. Time for him to move on. Souttar might be worth just selling. He's had some really good spells with us but he's not made himself irreplaceable. Especially not this last season. Clearly he doesn't click with Halkett, so might be time for a Plan B especially if someone is willing to give us £2M or something for him. Would take Nicholson back in a heartbeat, but only if his attitude has improved. He left us as a cocky wee boy with a lot to learn. If there's as many as six that we're actively looking to move on, I would suggest (and thinking about who I haven't seen on social media in the new kit / new training gear...): Damour, White, Zlamal, Burns, Wighton, Doyle. If the six doesn't include Doyle then I can't think of a sixth that I would be trying to get rid of. Players from Dunfermline could be Nisbet (striker), Lee Ashcroft (centre back) or Ryan Scully (keeper). They all had a good season for Dunf, so would actually take them all. £ + Wighton for Nisbet could be worth a try. Loans from Arsenal... Would assume it's an Academy player and I don't know a lot about them so couldnt offer any kind of guess! 3 OOC's could be anyone. Would be surprised if Dikamona isn't one of them. Boz has been in the press saying he's coming back to the UK so suppose he could be another. Don't know who else but could extend to the likes of Lafferty etc. Motherwell centre mid - they're very strong in that position so in all honesty I would take any one of Campbell, Donnelly, O'Hara, Polworth,(assuming it's not Turnbull 😏). Young Semple looks to have some potential too, so could be him but think he's more of a winger isn't he?... Always like a dazajambo post. Keep em coming mate. Edited July 5, 2020 by Batistuta87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 15 hours ago, PauloSergio said: I’d rule out Jayden Braaf as he is getting interest on a permanent deal elsewhere Looks like some player so would be an absolute coup if we got him. City see him as Leroy Sane's eventual replacement. Surely be better teams than us willing to take him on loan though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Getting Nesbitt would be good no matter what league we are in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Rods said: Getting Nesbitt would be good no matter what league we are in Hmm, I watched the highlights of his goals for Dunfermline and I can't say I'm convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Aston Villa aren't going to part with a big fee for Souttar at this stage. A full injury free season maybe and that's unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) I don't see a striker as a priority, especially if we have to pay money for him. We have Boyce, Naismith, Uche, Wighton and Washington on our books. Even assuming a couple of them will leave that's more than enough firepower for the Championship or the Premiership. We really need a winger, creative midfielder, DM and a CB though (depending on how Haring and Souttar's injuries are looking) Edited July 5, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: I don't see a striker as a priority, especially if we have to pay money for him. We have Boyce, Naismith, Uche, Wighton and Washington on our books. Even assuming a couple of them will leave that's more than enough firepower for the Championship or the Premiership. We really need a winger, creative midfielder, DM and a CB though (depending on how Haring and Souttar's injuries are looking) I would be guessing if we are interested in a striker then Wighton and Washington would be off. Probably uche aswell. Given a chance to get rid or sell whoever we wanted then I would only keep Boyce and Naismith for the championship, but shifting players could be an issue. If none of them leave though I agree, wouldn't be looking for a striker. Agree a winger/creative mid are our most pressing concerns though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, Berra than you said: I would be guessing if we are interested in a striker then Wighton and Washington would be off. Probably uche aswell. Given a chance to get rid or sell whoever we wanted then I would only keep Boyce and Naismith for the championship, but shifting players could be an issue. If none of them leave though I agree, wouldn't be looking for a striker. Agree a winger/creative mid are our most pressing concerns though Wighton possibly going other way in Nesbitt deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, Fort Vallance said: Aston Villa aren't going to part with a big fee for Souttar at this stage. A full injury free season maybe and that's unlikely. Do you think he’s good enough anyway? Just asking your opinion, not being wide. Personally don’t think he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 John Souttar to Aston Villa....... Micheal Smith to Rangers...... Just nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Wighton possibly going other way in Nesbitt deal. Tom tit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Wighton possibly going other way in Nesbitt deal. Id feel proper guilty doing that deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Lfhearts said: Tom tit. 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, TypoonJambo said: Id feel proper guilty doing that deal Same. I think Dunfermline might be getting the better deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 45 minutes ago, DH1986 said: John Souttar to Aston Villa....... Micheal Smith to Rangers...... Just nonsense. Got to agree with the Souttar bit at least, canr imagine anyone paying money for him with injuries !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I wouldn’t pay anymore than 1.5-2m for Souttar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTS1874 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 52 minutes ago, DH1986 said: John Souttar to Aston Villa....... Micheal Smith to Rangers...... Just nonsense. Souttar will need to prove his fitness playing for Hearts before anybody will pay money for him. I really hope he can get back to his best but I think he'll be struggling after a serious hip injury and 2 snapped Achilles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, steve123 said: Got to agree with the Souttar bit at least, canr imagine anyone paying money for him with injuries !! Smith to Rangers is every bit as unlikely imo. He just doesn’t fit in with their signing policy. They’re going for younger players with potential sell-on value. MS would be a hanging about like a spare for the vast majority of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 43 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said: I wouldn’t pay anymore than 1.5-2m for Souttar. Nice to have that sort of loose change right enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Sir Gio said: Nice to have that sort of loose change right enough For an English Championship team that's pocket change for a squad player. I don't think he's good enough for the top end of that league like some people think. He's not aggressive enough and too injury prone. I actually agree with people who say he could be with us for the rest of his career if he doesn't get over the injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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