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Jammy T

Did Hickey get a proper agent yet / doesn’t seem like it.

 

And

 

Robbie has said in his first time here that his ideal formation would be 3-4-3 
 

Are we getting the squad together to be able to play that?

 

 

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Clerry Jambo
1 minute ago, Jammy T said:

Did Hickey get a proper agent yet / doesn’t seem like it.

 

And

 

Robbie has said in his first time here that his ideal formation would be 3-4-3 
 

Are we getting the squad together to be able to play that?

 

 

Maybe wrong but sure Robbie played that at the arabs. More attacking full/wings Backs if you like 

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BackOfTheNet
8 minutes ago, Jammy T said:

Did Hickey get a proper agent yet / doesn’t seem like it.

 

And

 

Robbie has said in his first time here that his ideal formation would be 3-4-3 
 

Are we getting the squad together to be able to play that?

 

 


Then he’ll need some cover at CB. Yes Smith can play there but if he is in to play RWB then he’ll have Berra, Halkett and Souttar as the 3 CB’s meaning only Hamilton in reserve in case of injury or suspension. And if that will be the back 3 for the love of god make sure Berra is in the centre and not the left.

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bazman
17 minutes ago, Beast Boy said:


Sure, I get that. Should he not just fight for his place though? Instead of seeking written assurances of game time? It’s the “free to find another club” bit that I’d be questioning. 🤔

 

Out of interest, can anyone tell me if this loan deal with £1.8m fee, means Celtic don’t get their 30% of the fee? It’s been debated on here a bit and I don’t think I’ve seen anything that looked particularly concrete either way. If it is the case, then my hatred for Celtic makes me paranoid and wonder if they are speaking to his dad.

 

 

The daily record ran a similar

story and it wasn't worded as free to find another club.

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Berra than you
12 minutes ago, Jammy T said:

Did Hickey get a proper agent yet / doesn’t seem like it.

 

And

 

Robbie has said in his first time here that his ideal formation would be 3-4-3 
 

Are we getting the squad together to be able to play that?

 

 

Think he did say this was his preferred formation, but that you need a CB who is comfortable playing in the full back area (Smith) and two top centre mids in order to play it. Think we have the centre backs to play it, not convinced on the midfield given that haring is unlikely to be rushed back.

 

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Ribble
38 minutes ago, ShedBoy said:

 

So he’s not going to Bayern then. Nowhere near their first team 


Not necessarily, he may view Bayern Reserves as a better option than Bologna reserves but not as appealing as Bologna first team

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Cruyff
10 minutes ago, Clerry Jambo said:

Maybe wrong but sure Robbie played that at the arabs. More attacking full/wings Backs if you like 

3-4-3 is definitely back in vogue just now. 

2 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:


Then he’ll need some cover at CB. Yes Smith can play there but if he is in to play RWB then he’ll have Berra, Halkett and Souttar as the 3 CB’s meaning only Hamilton in reserve in case of injury or suspension. And if that will be the back 3 for the love of god make sure Berra is in the centre and not the left.

One of the CB's needs to be a full back to play it effectively imo. Smith is ideal to play on the right. 

 

I sort of thought he might be looking at playing a back 3 because he is interested in signing Kingsley who would be ideal on the left of a back 3, as would Murray Wallace. 

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Beast Boy
5 minutes ago, bazman said:

The daily record ran a similar

story and it wasn't worded as free to find another club.


The whole deal is a bit odd sounding. This is just another layer of odd. I’m at the stage now where I just want to see us get £1.8m and a sell on fee, and not have to read any more stories about his Old Bhoy agent. 

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Stendelnator

Expect the Washington move to Charlton to be rubber stamped in the next 48 hours.

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SectionDJambo
1 hour ago, Last Laff said:


Being a shite manager lead to him being an easy target then?  He ****ing spunked millions on shite and arrogantly thought he knew best.  Fair enough.  It wasn’t as if they got it wrong.  The guys the reason we are in this position just now when we should be watching games involving us on the tv and have Europe.  A much bigger budget than anyone season after season but shit to show for it. 

Not disputing that, but there have been other managers who have failed and not had the same criticism.

A couple of examples.

Lennon not getting Celtic into the Champions League groups and then getting pumped out of the Europa League by a team with nothing like his player budget.

Gerrard’s Rangers completely losing the advantage they got from beating Celtic before the winter break, by losing far too many points after the break. That run cost Rangers by allowing the SPFL to gift Celtic the title. No trophy since taking over.

Never a peep of doubt or criticism on Sportsound etc about those two. Too scared to.

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gnasher75
1 hour ago, Newton51 said:

 

Have Bologna, Bayern and Villa all made offers to Hearts and agreed our sell on clause etc? I'm not too fussed where he goes as long as it's not to another Scottish club. Going to Bayern's reserves sounds best to me for his long term development. 

 

But it's a bit odd all these personal terms getting discussed in the media unless he is trying to play one off against the other. I'm not sure he's quite as good as his hype though so will be happy if Hearts get close to £2m and a decent percentage of any future sale.

 

Good to have several potential buyers. Wonder if we can do more to encourage a bidding war. Sometimes I think we are too nice about wanting the best for our departing player rather than getting the best deal for Hearts.

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JimmyCant
49 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

 

This doesn't have a ring of truth to it. A 17 year old wth 30 games asking for guaranteed first team football in the Series A? Pull the other one. He's good but is still relatively unproven. Can imagine potential new team-mates reading that... "Play me or I'm off" wouldn't go down too well considering Hickey's age. If true he's being badly advised. He needs to look at Andy Robertson, get his head down and take his chances when they come, not make demands before he's even signed.

Can’t believe this at all. A 17 year old demanding game time in Serie A. I’d be shaking his hand and showing him the door.

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Newton51

Aberdeen new loan striker out for 4 months. Was there a rumour they were looking at boyce?

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Newton51
12 minutes ago, Stendelnator said:

Expect the Washington move to Charlton to be rubber stamped in the next 48 hours.

They have signed the other guy they were linked with

 

 

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Beast Boy
4 minutes ago, Newton51 said:

They have signed the other guy they were linked with

 

 


Some middle aged guy from the forties.

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Boris
45 minutes ago, Jammy T said:

Did Hickey get a proper agent yet / doesn’t seem like it.

 

And

 

Robbie has said in his first time here that his ideal formation would be 3-4-3 
 

Are we getting the squad together to be able to play that?

 

 

 

42 minutes ago, Clerry Jambo said:

Maybe wrong but sure Robbie played that at the arabs. More attacking full/wings Backs if you like 

The Malofeyev Principle.

Who'd have thunk it?

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theshed
16 minutes ago, Newton51 said:

Aberdeen new loan striker out for 4 months. Was there a rumour they were looking at boyce?

 

They are no having much luck the now 🤗🤗

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bazman
17 minutes ago, Newton51 said:

Aberdeen new loan striker out for 4 months. Was there a rumour they were looking at boyce?

1 person on here mentioned it but they wouldn't be able to afford transfer fee with their financial shortcomings 

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Portable Badger
24 minutes ago, gnasher75 said:

 

Have Bologna, Bayern and Villa all made offers to Hearts and agreed our sell on clause etc? I'm not too fussed where he goes as long as it's not to another Scottish club. Going to Bayern's reserves sounds best to me for his long term development. 

 

But it's a bit odd all these personal terms getting discussed in the media unless he is trying to play one off against the other. I'm not sure he's quite as good as his hype though so will be happy if Hearts get close to £2m and a decent percentage of any future sale.

 

Good to have several potential buyers. Wonder if we can do more to encourage a bidding war. Sometimes I think we are too nice about wanting the best for our departing player rather than getting the best deal for Hearts.

You must remember ‘the source’ is quoted as being the Italian media - they’re notorious 

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Willie Hamilton genius
1 hour ago, Beast Boy said:


Sure, I get that. Should he not just fight for his place though? Instead of seeking written assurances of game time? It’s the “free to find another club” bit that I’d be questioning. 🤔

 

Out of interest, can anyone tell me if this loan deal with £1.8m fee, means Celtic don’t get their 30% of the fee? It’s been debated on here a bit and I don’t think I’ve seen anything that looked particularly concrete either way. If it is the case, then my hatred for Celtic makes me paranoid and wonder if they are speaking to his dad.

 

 

Are there any actual quotes in this article?

It would be extraordinary for a boy so young and inexperienced to be demanding this.

Like you I am a bit paranoid here, but wouldn't put it past Selick to try to scupper any deals to then step in.

Probably just paranoia

 

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Pasquale for King

What a great piece of business getting Craig Gordon has been, as good as any other GK in the country, the two at Ibrox really as I know nothing of the Celtic GK. The overall standard in the top league has regressed to the 1950s. 

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Pasquale for King
20 minutes ago, Portable Badger said:

You must remember ‘the source’ is quoted as being the Italian media - they’re notorious 

Yeah would much rather have our fine upstanding bastions of fairness and well informed quality journalism. 

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Pasquale for King
44 minutes ago, Newton51 said:

Aberdeen new loan striker out for 4 months. Was there a rumour they were looking at boyce?

Love it, he’s only there until January. They can’t even afford to pay Jonny Hayes a wage until next summer, doubt they will be buying anyone. They might need to sell one of their 12 CHs before getting another loan striker in at best. 

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Mikey1874
1 hour ago, Beast Boy said:


The free to find another club if game time doesn’t materialise is a bit of a funny one. Could hamper a sell on fee. Anyone know how a clause like that work? With his old man being a Tim, I’d be almost expecting that move being in the back of his mind. Maybe I’m a bit paranoid though. :lol:

 

Usually means a loan 

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HMFC01

I do not see any problem or any kind of arrogance for a 17 year old asking for assurances of first team football after getting promised such.  Get it on the contract, sign it, deal done.  If you're getting offers from bigger clubs you are entitled to be fussy about signing a contract for a club unlikely to win trophies or qualify for Europe.  It's a big league with a lot of competition for success.  It's still a move that could make him, only if he's getting game time.  I think this could go on until near the end of this month.  If we do sell him and get a sizeable transfer, we might be able to buy a player if they really want to.

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Jambo92
1 hour ago, jambopilms said:

Hickey was lucky to get as many games as he did last season with us. Nevermind demanding game time in Seria A 

 

This, the boy's being horribly managed 

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HMFC01

Surely Aberdeen will be looking at Washington for a quick fix.  Only if he's not getting his move down south.  5 figure sum or a loan.

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Pasquale for King
1 minute ago, HMFC01 said:

I do not see any problem or any kind of arrogance for a 17 year old asking for assurances of first team football after getting promised such.  Get it on the contract, sign it, deal done.  If you're getting offers from bigger clubs you are entitled to be fussy about signing a contract for a club unlikely to win trophies or qualify for Europe.  It's a big league with a lot of competition for success.  It's still a move that could make him, only if he's getting game time.  I think this could go on until near the end of this month.  If we do sell him and get a sizeable transfer, we might be able to buy a player if they really want to.

I think Neilson would want to but I think any transfer fee might just go towards a wage bill that’s still larger than most clubs. 

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jamboinglasgow
10 minutes ago, HMFC01 said:

I do not see any problem or any kind of arrogance for a 17 year old asking for assurances of first team football after getting promised such.  Get it on the contract, sign it, deal done.  If you're getting offers from bigger clubs you are entitled to be fussy about signing a contract for a club unlikely to win trophies or qualify for Europe.  It's a big league with a lot of competition for success.  It's still a move that could make him, only if he's getting game time.  I think this could go on until near the end of this month.  If we do sell him and get a sizeable transfer, we might be able to buy a player if they really want to.

 

I agree. I think its quite a sensible request by Hickey or his representatives. Bayern are a fantastic set up and appear to have offered a great oppourtunity, he will play third tier German football but will train with the first team at times. But Bologna saying he will be a first team player, so 2nd choice left back in a top 5 European league is a big offer. But clubs can be often all talk and will say things just to get a player to sign so he could sign for Bologna and find that he is shipped out on loan (they have 22 players out on loan.) So a written agreement shows how serious they are.

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ToqueJambo
6 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

I agree. I think its quite a sensible request by Hickey or his representatives. Bayern are a fantastic set up and appear to have offered a great oppourtunity, he will play third tier German football but will train with the first team at times. But Bologna saying he will be a first team player, so 2nd choice left back in a top 5 European league is a big offer. But clubs can be often all talk and will say things just to get a player to sign so he could sign for Bologna and find that he is shipped out on loan (they have 22 players out on loan.) So a written agreement shows how serious they are.

 

I don't see how any club can make guarantees about being in the first team. You can sign them on first team wages and to be assigned a squad number but that still won't guarantee you game time. I assume that's the different between the Bologna and Bayern offers (assuming it's true) - he'll get a first team squad number and dressing room spot at Bologna but he'll have to earn it at Bayern. Either way, it would be in his hands. Play well enough and with any luck he'll be a first team player at either club. At 17 though, it should really be about continuing to develop for him.

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Heart of Darkness
18 minutes ago, HMFC01 said:

Surely Aberdeen will be looking at Washington for a quick fix.  Only if he's not getting his move down south.  5 figure sum or a loan.

**** that!! You know what would happen if we get them in the cup or even next season!! 🙄

 

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Famous 1874

Gordon 

Smith Halkett Souttar 

O’Donnell Haring Irving Kingsley

Walker 

Naisy Boyce 

 

This would be a brilliant 11 that should be getting 3rd in the Premiership let alone walking the championship. More of a 352 because it is hard to fit Naisy and Boyce in together without going more of an asymmetric formation, which could be something like this

 

       Naisy                                 Roberts

                   Boyce

 

With Naisy playing more centrally off the right hand side and Roberts playing more as a winger on the left

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Special Agent Dale Cooper
14 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I don't see how any club can make guarantees about being in the first team. You can sign them on first team wages and to be assigned a squad number but that still won't guarantee you game time. I assume that's the different between the Bologna and Bayern offers (assuming it's true) - he'll get a first team squad number and dressing room spot at Bologna but he'll have to earn it at Bayern. Either way, it would be in his hands. Play well enough and with any luck he'll be a first team player at either club. At 17 though, it should really be about continuing to develop for him.

 

Absolutely. To expect written guarantees of being played in a much higher standard of football, which he is entirely unproven at, seems strange.

 

Horrible feeling he will end up at Celtic, perhaps next season.

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Hungry hippo

If the story is correct I suspect Hickey is looking for a clause that says he could leave for a realistic pre agreed fee if certain criteria isn't met within a set period.

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everton_jambo

If it’s actually true Nesbit wanted to sign for us, I have to admit to being a bit disappointed we didn’t make it happen. For me he falls into the category of a very obvious good signing, exactly the kind we seem to ignore for some reason. I’m sure some will try to argue we dodged a bullet but let’s face it he has probably already scored as many this season than Washington did last and I remember people saying the likes of John McGinn and Shankland wouldn’t have been good signings. 
 

As for Butcher, I really hope it doesn’t happen. My contact reckons Utd will be very reluctant to do business with us, hope he is correct 

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tartofmidlothian
1 hour ago, Heart of Darkness said:

**** that!! You know what would happen if we get them in the cup or even next season!! 🙄

 

 

But if he's on loan, that means he can't play against us. Makes sense, if they covered 100% of his wages.

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Spellczech

I cannot for one second think that Hickey would consider returning to Celtic knowing that he was unhappy there last time round - Even reserves at Man City , Bayern or wherever would be more attractive option... Personally I believe he would be a fool to move anywhere, as he will not be guaranteed first team football ANYWHERE except Hearts. He's 17 FFS, be patient and hold firm. Go to a big team for multi-millions not a 1-year pay off. Whoever is advising him is doing is doing a terrible job of it. Short-termism is fine for players who carry a dodgy knee or no pace but this lad has the lot...

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Batistuta87
1 hour ago, tartofmidlothian said:

 

But if he's on loan, that means he can't play against us. Makes sense, if they covered 100% of his wages.

^Only if a clause is inserted. 

 

Tbh I would let him go on loan, as long as they're paying his wages. Keeps him happy playing in the Prem for a season, gets him another years experience in the league, and we'll have him back for when we go back up. We shouldn't miss him that much in the Championship and could quite easily sort out a loan of our own to cover for him. 

 

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Cruyff
1 hour ago, Spellczech said:

I cannot for one second think that Hickey would consider returning to Celtic knowing that he was unhappy there last time round - Even reserves at Man City , Bayern or wherever would be more attractive option... Personally I believe he would be a fool to move anywhere, as he will not be guaranteed first team football ANYWHERE except Hearts. He's 17 FFS, be patient and hold firm. Go to a big team for multi-millions not a 1-year pay off. Whoever is advising him is doing is doing a terrible job of it. Short-termism is fine for players who carry a dodgy knee or no pace but this lad has the lot...

If Hearts weren't in the Championship, I'd agree. Another year at Hearts in the SPL would have been good for him. 

 

However, the kids too good to be playing in the Championship against cloggers when he's already proven himself against the likes of the OF in the SPL at 16/17. He needs to move up a level now and we need to sell him this summer. 

 

I think he'd be extremely naive to turn down the chance to be coached at Bayern Munich. They aren't paying us a million odd to swell the ranks of their 2nd team, they can have their pick of any player in the world, yet they want him. That alone should tell him something. 

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