Leveins Battalion Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Apologies if there is already a thread and this not a bash John Murray rant but does anybody know what the situation is with him and our recruitment going forward? Quick look on Transfermarkt and some of the quality out of contract- Daniel Bachman-Austrian keeper who was at Killie on Loan. Murray Wallace-Centre Half Daniel Harvie-Scotland under 21 left back a d Ayr's player of the season Lewis MacLeod Scott Fraser Niko Hamelainen Alex Gogic Jimmy Dunne Ethan Hamilton And this is just guys with links to Scottish Football. Assuming it all depends on the SD appointment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said: Apologies if there is already a thread and this not a bash John Murray rant but does anybody know what the situation is with him and our recruitment going forward? Quick look on Transfermarkt and some of the quality out of contract- Daniel Bachman-Austrian keeper who was at Killie on Loan. Murray Wallace-Centre Half Daniel Harvie-Scotland under 21 left back a d Ayr's player of the season Lewis MacLeod Scott Fraser Niko Hamelainen Alex Gogic Jimmy Dunne Ethan Hamilton And this is just guys with links to Scottish Football. Assuming it all depends on the SD appointment? An issue we have, which adds to the unfairness of the whole thing, is that while we are expelled, our attraction is lessened, so we're in a different market to the one should we be in top flight. Now, we may end up being in the Prem, but how can we plan? We'll, we can have plan A and B for each league, with budgets, but can we already contact players and say, well we might be in top league... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 John Murray needs to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 John Murray leaving would be as big as Levein leaving. Can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnlondon Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, indianajones said: John Murray needs to leave. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 That letter he wrote to random agents asking if they had any good players was an utter embarrassment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: That letter he wrote to random agents asking if they had any good players was an utter embarrassment Was that legitimate? If so then I agree utter embarrassment.! I'd like to see a younger,dynamic recruitment 'team' put in place.We have so much going for us as a club and city that we really need to exploit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy Jambo Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, indianajones said: John Murray needs to leave. This, Plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said: Was that legitimate? If so then I agree utter embarrassment.! I'd like to see a younger,dynamic recruitment 'team' put in place.We have so much going for us as a club and city that we really need to exploit it. Oh, it was legitimate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, indianajones said: John Murray needs to leave. Agree, and in terms of recruitment I don't think playing in the Championship needs to create too much of a downer regards players who might consider us.. I think it is more to do with how the option is sold to potential players and their advisers. So getting in someone to replace Murray who has no links to specific agent or agencies and no restrictions on who he can look at, and with the ability to sell the club in an articulate manner would help greatly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Pretty sure he is leaving unless we have another Murray leaving us this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 51 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said: Apologies if there is already a thread and this not a bash John Murray rant but does anybody know what the situation is with him and our recruitment going forward? Quick look on Transfermarkt and some of the quality out of contract- Daniel Bachman-Austrian keeper who was at Killie on Loan. Murray Wallace-Centre Half Daniel Harvie-Scotland under 21 left back a d Ayr's player of the season Lewis MacLeod Scott Fraser Niko Hamelainen Alex Gogic Jimmy Dunne Ethan Hamilton And this is just guys with links to Scottish Football. Assuming it all depends on the SD appointment? Of course it's not. Yet another bash the club effort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky jamboa Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I agree he should go - our recruitment has been abysmal - but reckon we need to wait to find out what league we'll be in and when our season will start before looking at bringing new players in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 We need it to be a more fluid role. It sounds like its been implemented as a job which makes him hard to get rid of. Maybe have it as a rolling contract of some sort. Ultimately, we don't want to get to the situation where we have such prolonged poor recruitment and no course of action to get rid. I like the suggestions in the OP. Murray Wallace interests me, although could be a tough sell. Harvie seems a no brainer. If Hickey won't sign the extension he must be moved on ASAP. We need to try and push for 7 figures for him before he runs his contract down any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 What happened to the attacking centre mid we fancied from Dundee United recently? Think he chose to go down south somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo92 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Find it staggering he's still in his post. Hasn't unearthed a gem for many a year and must have about a 10 percent success rate on players who are capable of playing for a team like Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo92 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, OTT said: We need it to be a more fluid role. It sounds like its been implemented as a job which makes him hard to get rid of. Maybe have it as a rolling contract of some sort. Ultimately, we don't want to get to the situation where we have such prolonged poor recruitment and no course of action to get rid. I like the suggestions in the OP. Murray Wallace interests me, although could be a tough sell. Harvie seems a no brainer. If Hickey won't sign the extension he must be moved on ASAP. We need to try and push for 7 figures for him before he runs his contract down any further. Murray Wallace is a big jambo, would be a cracking signing but I'm sure he will have plenty offers down south though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) If Hickey opts for Celtic, get Taylor as part of the deal. Edited June 28, 2020 by bobskeldon Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: What happened to the attacking centre mid we fancied from Dundee United recently? Think he chose to go down south somewhere? Scott Fraser-He is out of contract at Burton after doing really well there. Good left foot,scores goals,free kick and set piece taker. Had a good link up with Boyce.👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Leveins Battalion said: Scott Fraser-He is out of contract at Burton after doing really well there. Good left foot,scores goals,free kick and set piece taker. Had a good link up with Boyce.👍 Thought it might have been him. Cheers. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Murray is an absolute dinosaur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubby1973 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Would love to see Jimmy dunne back at the club. Wasn't afraid to rip into anyone not pulling their weight. Really hated losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMBONI Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Would take Jimmy Dunne back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Religion Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Must go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I wonder who are next big wage YouTube sensation on a three year deal will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I think his role is quite possibly more important than the managers for us, but we we've had years of bad overpaid recruitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTS1874 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 It’s a mystery to me how John Murray has survived the last 6 years with the job title of Head of Recruitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: That letter he wrote to random agents asking if they had any good players was an utter embarrassment Seems the height of naivety. What response was he expecting ? "Dear John, Thanks for getting touch. I have dozens of players available, but to be honest they're all pretty hopeless. However seeing its you, I'll do a special deal for you on any of them. Thanks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 Hopefully Robbie has came back up North with good knowledge of Leagues 1 and 2. Some good players out of contract like Devante Cole,Alex Kiwomya who is a flying machine,Marcus Barnes also a speed merchant and perfect for Robbies 442 with wide players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, bobskeldon said: If Hickey opts for Celtic, get Taylor as part of the deal. Aye right Taylor would come to Hearts do you honestly believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) John Murray is an utter disgrace to Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Genuinely woeful scout. I’d recommend better players than him ffs. Were previous rumours that he was retiring, really hope they are true. Edited June 28, 2020 by Famous 1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
part_time_jambo Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: That letter he wrote to random agents asking if they had any good players was an utter embarrassment What did it say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingAboutObua Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Get him out asap. Been at the club since about 1995? If you look at our top scorers for the last 20 years-he found Sow (not a top scorer but worth adding), Juanma and i assume Zeefuik and De Vries were his too. Lafferty knew MacPhee, Naismith knew Levein, Walker and Paterson youth players, John Sutton was well known in the league, Velicka was Kaunas, and then we have 3 midfielders Aguiar (Kaunas), Skacel (not Murray) and Suso (possibly Murray?) Our head of recruitment/one of the biggest recruiters at the club, for 20 (TWENTY) years, has brought forward 4 (FOUR) strikers capable of being our top scorers, one of which was half a season in the Championship we romped. Obviously not every transfer works out, and Skacel's scoring might take a few years out of the list, but to bring in only 4 top scorers, none reaching the 20 goals mark? Unbelievable he's stayed on if we're meant to be the 3rd biggest team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Mugabe Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Absolutely incredible he has somehow survived Pieman, Robinson and Budge eras thus far. Should have been removed years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on&up2017 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: That letter he wrote to random agents asking if they had any good players was an utter embarrassment What letter? Sorry not been on here much of late, could someone please post a link to said letter/thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, JAMBONI said: Would take Jimmy Dunne back. i think he has signed a years extension with burnley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Jambo92 said: Find it staggering he's still in his post. Hasn't unearthed a gem for many a year and must have about a 10 percent success rate on players who are capable of playing for a team like Hearts. Couldn't agree more. Needs to leave one way or another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complete control Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 hours ago, MTS1874 said: It’s a mystery to me how John Murray has survived the last 6 years with the job title of Head of Recruitment. 100 per cent correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Jambo92 said: Murray Wallace is a big jambo, would be a cracking signing but I'm sure he will have plenty offers down south though. Really ? Unusual , not unheard of , for a weegie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesandears Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 He will leave if the new Sports Director doesn't want him. He'll not walk away as he has been at the club for many years and will be due a pay-off. Which he is of course entitled to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulf Jambo Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, john thomas said: Really ? Unusual , not unheard of , for a weegie Yeah he is. Quoted as saying Pressley is his hero and been a Jambo since 5yrs old or something. I'm sure he'll be here at some point. Whether now or in a few years when he can't get a big payday down south Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennant's 6's Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Leveins Battalion said: Quick look on Transfermarkt and some of the quality out of contract- Daniel Bachman-Austrian keeper who was at Killie on Loan. Murray Wallace-Centre Half Daniel Harvie-Scotland under 21 left back a d Ayr's player of the season Lewis MacLeod Scott Fraser Niko Hamelainen Alex Gogic Jimmy Dunne Ethan Hamilton That is a pretty damn impressive list of players, esp Bachmann, Wallace, Dunne, Fraser. Would love those guys to be signed by the club, not easy though given we don't know whatd gonna happen re the court case, at least for a while yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husref musemic Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 the dross that's came, gone & now long forgotten over the past five years has been unreal. IMO it's 90% of the reason we're in the situation were in. should have been gone a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, husref musemic said: the dross that's came, gone & now long forgotten over the past five years has been unreal. IMO it's 90% of the reason we're in the situation were in. should have been gone a long time ago. Apart from Jim Jefferies 98 team,early Levein years ie De vries,Webster etc and the 2 months Simon Hunt was here with Burley has our scouting ever been good? Post admin has been massively disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said: Apart from Jim Jefferies 98 team,early Levein years ie De vries,Webster etc and the 2 months Simon Hunt was here with Burley has our scouting ever been good? Post admin has been massively disappointing. Do you know who brought Murray to Tynecastle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Do you know who brought Murray to Tynecastle? I do,however this was 25 years ago and football and football recruitment has changed.We need to modernise and increase quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said: I do,however this was 25 years ago and football and football recruitment has changed.We need to modernise and increase quality. In what way(s) has recruitment changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, JamboAl said: In what way(s) has recruitment changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, JamboAl said: In what way(s) has recruitment changed? We now have superclubs swallowing up young talent from ages 9 to 23 years old across Europe,look at any EPL academy and its like a league of Nations.Other clubs have worked this market superbly like Motherwell,picking up guys released. From 1995 and the Bosman ruling to today we could not sign a Salvatori or Flogel nowadays,both finacially or from a sporting perspective Then we have different recruitment models now,Brentford are having their most successful period adapting the statistical approach. We are undecided about what we want to be,firstly we had Levein wanting a conveyor belt of academy players,the quality is just not there. Then we adapted players with international caps method,this brought us Perry Kitchen,Oshaniwa,Augustyn and Struna etc.Again failed. Levein and Murray's final act was the theory of signing players who have had historical injury problems and would be out of reach,this has been disastrous. We need to modernize,sign younger players in the 23 to 27 age range and start getting some value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: STILL TROLLING, DAWN?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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