Major incident in Glasgow City Centre

[JFK-1]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

Yeah we had the discussion about shooting to incapacitate attackers, I don’t think they’re trained to shoot to kill. Easy for me to say though, it will all be forensically investigated. 
Horrific for all concerned. 

 

They shoot to incapacitate and that means at least one body shot. They're aiming for the easiest target to hit and that's the torso. I have seen some go on about they should go for a leg shot etc which is ludicrous.

Imagine how difficult and dangerous that would be. There would be bullets ricocheting all around as they try to hit the leg of a moving target. I'm not sure if they follow the SAS practice when it's been decided to take someone down.

Saw an SAS guy talk about it in a documentary. He said the SAS go for two rapid body shots which he further said was like "being hit by a sledge hammer" and would knock anyone down.

[Hairdryer]

To think the Sunday Mail recently had an image of a blood soaked 

hand with a knife when commenting on a minor football related issue 

[Taffin]

17 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

I'm confident enough that an armed police officer in Scotland will only take that shot because their training tells them that's what they need to do. Certainly won't be judging them from the comfort of my flat. 

 

Certainly no judgement from me. Whilst it makes me uncomfortable, I accept that it's  an idealistic (unrealistic?) viewpoint I have; that lethal force can be avoided in these types of situations. As Ibrahim Tall pointed out to me, there's scenarios where that just isn't an option and the risk to the lives of others and the emergency services responding is just too great and their well being must take priority. Fortunately as you say, the Police have the expert training to make that call to keep innocent people safe, as they've done today. 

 

It still don't like the idea of it and wish the perpetrators could be arrested and put on trial but I accept I'm a bit idealistic/wishy washy and probably also guilty of forgetting that the Police are humans too; they may be heroes but their not superhuman. I certainly don't hold my beliefs against the officers in any way at all, they're doing an incredibly dangerous and difficult job and I don't envy them for doing it. They seem to have done an excellent job at containing this incident today and minimised casualties, they deserve nothing but praise for their bravery in doing so. 

[MR INCREDIBLE]

1 hour ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

 

I remember in the 90s when stuff like this was spouted by people like Nick Griffin. It was viewed by almost everyone as dangerous, racist nonsense and Griffin was basically a pariah. It's inconceivable that he would have found support in mainstream thinking or in the pages of a Hearts fanzine or in a pub chat among Jambos. Yet here we are 25 years later. What the **** happened?

I take it you lefties think it is acceptable what is going on. 

[MR INCREDIBLE]

54 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

You can’t criticise someone for questioning someone’s outdated and racist views I’m afraid, not the first time he’s done this either. 

Racist=Word a lefty uses when argument is slipping away from them. 

[Unknown user]

4 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said:

Racist=Word a lefty uses when argument is slipping away from them. 

Send em all home - a phrase racists use when the mask's slipping away from them.

[JackLadd]

Actually, it's progress that this has dominated the all the news channels. Not that long ago a few stabbings in the Weedge would merit half a page in the Daily Record.  Just another to do case on Taggart's desk.

[AlphonseCapone]

20 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Certainly no judgement from me. Whilst it makes me uncomfortable, I accept that it's  an idealistic (unrealistic?) viewpoint I have; that lethal force can be avoided in these types of situations. As Ibrahim Tall pointed out to me, there's scenarios where that just isn't an option and the risk to the lives of others and the emergency services responding is just too great and their well being must take priority. Fortunately as you say, the Police have the expert training to make that call to keep innocent people safe, as they've done today. 

 

It still don't like the idea of it and wish the perpetrators could be arrested and put on trial but I accept I'm a bit idealistic/wishy washy and probably also guilty of forgetting that the Police are humans too; they may be heroes but their not superhuman. I certainly don't hold my beliefs against the officers in any way at all, they're doing an incredibly dangerous and difficult job and I don't envy them for doing it. They seem to have done an excellent job at containing this incident today and minimised casualties, they deserve nothing but praise for their bravery in doing so. 

 

Totally agree. An arrest, especially in those cases where it is terrorism (and I know this one isn't currently being treated that way), is the best scenario not only because judge and jury are ultimately how we decide justice in this country, but it could lead to further information and intelligence. But an even bigger factor possibly not considered as often, is the psychological impact taking a life will have on an officer, even if they are trained and it was the only option. It still likely weighs heavily. 

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

20 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said:

I take it you lefties think it is acceptable what is going on. 

 

No, random murders in the street are not acceptable.

 

Anyway, @Cade and @Jamhammer are right. This is all in pretty poor taste so I'm out.

[Pasquale for King]

38 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

Perhaps you could consider a more appropriate time to post look at me comment.

Hardly, just dawned on me and was thinking aloud. If I had put the pictures of the Indy March you could’ve had a point. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

12 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Send em all home - a phrase racists use when the mask's slipping away from them.

Fair comment. 

[AlphonseCapone]

It seems from police and FM that 1 person is dead, the attacker and 6 in hospital including police officer. 

 

There's a BBC journalist called Danny Shaw making a right ***** of himself by quoting "a well placed Whitehall source tells me 3 people are dead" then later "well placed Whitehall source now saying 1 confirmed dead". Why would Whitehall be your source for an criminal incident in Glasgow City Centre. I expect speculation on Twitter, not from BBC journalists. I also expect them to use more relevant sources.

[Pasquale for King]

36 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

They shoot to incapacitate and that means at least one body shot. They're aiming for the easiest target to hit and that's the torso. I have seen some go on about they should go for a leg shot etc which is ludicrous.

Imagine how difficult and dangerous that would be. There would be bullets ricocheting all around as they try to hit the leg of a moving target. I'm not sure if they follow the SAS practice when it's been decided to take someone down.

Saw an SAS guy talk about it in a documentary. He said the SAS go for two rapid body shots which he further said was like "being hit by a sledge hammer" and would knock anyone down.

Like the bus that was his at a recent shoot em up in the US? As I said it’s easy for me to talk about it, the reality of the situation I would imagine is vastly different.

[Pasquale for King]

11 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I note the Police are not treating it as a terrorist incident, that leaves many an explanation still open though

I think most on here have assumed he’s not a white Scot. 

[Pasquale for King]

13 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

Actually, it's progress that this has dominated the all the news channels. Not that long ago a few stabbings in the Weedge would merit half a page in the Daily Record.  Just another to do case on Taggart's desk.

Strange how you and others weren’t so flippant when it was white people that were killed in Reading.

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

You can’t criticise someone for questioning someone’s outdated and racist views I’m afraid, not the first time he’s done this either. 

 

Far from being out-dated, racist views are all the rage these days. Take a look around you.

 

1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

There are a lot of insecure white guys angry at their own lives just now that take it out on other people they see as less deserving than them. Often found protecting statues these days. 

 

That's unfair. I'm dead against vandalising statues and would like to have seen a few skulls cracked, and I'm perfectly secure and more than happy with my life.

 

[Governor Tarkin]

8 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I think most on here have assumed he’s not a white Scot. 

 

There you go again, assuming what other people are assuming.

[Pasquale for King]

54 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

The only thing burning itself out Pasquale is C**id19. Capitalism is thriving and long may it do so. 

Good one 😆

[Ray Gin]

32 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said:

Racist=Word a lefty uses when argument is slipping away from them. 

You blatantly are racist though. Not sure why the mods haven't launched you yet. 

[Tazio]

Well this has turned out nice. 

[SE16 3LN]

Patrick Harvie has just blamed the UK govt. for the treatment of asylum seekers in Scotland.

 

and then said nobody should make political capital out of this incident 😃

Edited June 26, 2020 by SE16 3LN
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[Sooperstar]

45 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I note the Police are not treating it as a terrorist incident, that leaves many an explanation still open though

Suspect it will have stemmed from a dispute amongst residents within the hotel.

[Tazio]

Just now, Sooperstar said:

Suspect it will have stemmed from a dispute amongst residents within the hotel.

Indeed, I’ve spoken to a couple of the homeless guys on Lothian Road and they’re wary of hostels as they can be violent places. Lots of people on the edge, potentially with mental health issues, in close confinement Is a breeding ground for trouble. 

[JackLadd]

41 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Strange how you and others weren’t so flippant when it was white people that were killed in Reading.

 

 

Don't even recall the Reading incident so good luck finding any posts.  

 

Edit, ah hold on, some Libyan nut. I recall now. 

Edited June 26, 2020 by JackLadd

[manaliveits105]

29 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

Patrick Harvie has just blamed the UK govt. for the treatment of asylum seekers in Scotland.

 

and then said nobody should make political capital out of this incident 😃

Mans a complete cockwomble

[Enzo Chiefo]

34 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Good one 😆

Didn't think you would agree Pasquale.  At least we agree on Levein👍

[Pasquale for King]

39 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

You blatantly are racist though. Not sure why the mods haven't launched you yet. 

I asked that question of them, they’ll probably ban me for saying a naughty word that beats their filter.

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

Patrick Harvie has just blamed the UK govt. for the treatment of asylum seekers in Scotland.

 

and then said nobody should make political capital out of this incident 😃

Harvie is the perfect example of someone who does not have a clue about real life and has spent all his working life wrapped in the public sector comfort blanket, fussing about rights and entitlement. The other side of the equation is about duty and responsibility.  He should be sent out with that Ross Greer character to spend a year doing a shift in a small business that struggles to make ends meet. 

[trotter]

2 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

 

They shoot to incapacitate and that means at least one body shot. They're aiming for the easiest target to hit and that's the torso. I have seen some go on about they should go for a leg shot etc which is ludicrous.

Imagine how difficult and dangerous that would be. There would be bullets ricocheting all around as they try to hit the leg of a moving target. I'm not sure if they follow the SAS practice when it's been decided to take someone down.

Saw an SAS guy talk about it in a documentary. He said the SAS go for two rapid body shots which he further said was like "being hit by a sledge hammer" and would knock anyone down.

I'm sure they are taught that, but in certain cases (the guy on the bridge in London a few months back with the fake bomb vest) they are going for a kill shot. No messing about then

[Yoda]

2 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Capitalism needs to burn itself out before Socialism can work. We’re well on the way to that happening.

Capitalism isn't perfect, but it's the best system we have, until someone comes up with something better.

 

Socialism / Communism has failed in every version that's ever existed.

[Governor Tarkin]

1 minute ago, trotter said:

I'm sure they are taught that, but in certain cases (the guy on the bridge in London a few months back with the fake bomb vest) they are going for a kill shot. No messing about then

 

The centre of mass is also where most of the major organs are. A couple of rounds through them and you're probably on your way out pretty sharpish - bearing in mind the round will likely take a sizeable chunk of you with them as they come out the other side.

[Yoda]

1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

Patrick Harvie has just blamed the UK govt. for the treatment of asylum seekers in Scotland.

 

and then said nobody should make political capital out of this incident 😃

Harvie is an attention seeking erse-hole.

 

Wonder what he's have said if it was gay men that were attacked and killed, like the Reading incident.

[Adam Murray]

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[Pasquale for King]

6 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Capitalism isn't perfect, but it's the best system we have, until someone comes up with something better.

 

Socialism / Communism has failed in every version that's ever existed.

Burn itself out capitalism needs to, flourish socialism will AFTER wards.

[felix]

3 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

There are a lot of insecure white guys angry at their own lives just now that take it out on other people they see as less deserving than them. Often found protecting statues these days. 

That could have been written just prior to the race riots in 1919.

In over 100 years, we don't seem to have moved on much.

 

[felix]

1 hour ago, Tazio said:

Indeed, I’ve spoken to a couple of the homeless guys on Lothian Road and they’re wary of hostels as they can be violent places. Lots of people on the edge, potentially with mental health issues, in close confinement Is a breeding ground for trouble. 

Yup, as the incident outside The Old Waverley a few weeks ago proves.

[Pasquale for King]

11 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

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I watched it a few times, it’s like he was firing blanks. So much for two bullets to the torso = sledgehammer. Guy was white right enough.

[John Findlay]

11 minutes ago, felix said:

Yup, as the incident outside The Old Waverley a few weeks ago proves.

Theres an incident at the old Waverley everyday. Police are never away from the place.

[Yoda]

18 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Burn itself out capitalism needs to, flourish socialism will AFTER wards.

Don't hold your breath.

[felix]

4 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Theres an incident at the old Waverley everyday. Police are never away from the place.

Wasn't aware of frequency, but sort of backs up Tazio's point.

Not good.

[the general]

7 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Theres an incident at the old Waverley everyday. Police are never away from the place.

 

Only heard about this last week but seems the hotel is getting trashed from inside out

[theshed]

43 minutes ago, felix said:

Yup, as the incident outside The Old Waverley a few weeks ago proves.

 

Can I asked what happened?

 

Have had the pleasure of walking past these idiots every day during lockdown and eventually having to stop going this way a couple  of weeks ago due to abuse and them fighting among them self’s 

[felix]

1 minute ago, theshed said:

 

Can I asked what happened?

 

Have had the pleasure of walking past these idiots every day during lockdown and eventually having to stop going this way a couple  of weeks ago due to abuse and them fighting among them self’s 

Don't know the details I'm afraid , but aware of anecdotal observations, including the inside - out trashing referred above.:-https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/man-arrested-and-charged-after-serious-assault-outside-hotel-princes-street-2546818

[The Mighty Thor]

4 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said:

I'm confident enough that an armed police officer in Scotland will only take that shot because their training tells them that's what they need to do. Certainly won't be judging them from the comfort of my flat. 

They are incredibly well trained and luckily up here there's very few cases where a gun is actually fired. 

I'm comfortable that we have people willing to put themselves in that position on our behalf. 

[John Findlay]

I work opposite at Waverley station. Have to go past there to get to the Sainsbury local. They have "2 x security guards" outside on the front door, but I'm not sure they are any good. 

The police are there everyday. 

I will be very surprised if the hotel doesnt have a major refurbishment when things turn back to normal in the not to distant future.

[theshed]

5 minutes ago, felix said:

Don't know the details I'm afraid , but aware of anecdotal observations, including the inside - out trashing referred above.:-https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/man-arrested-and-charged-after-serious-assault-outside-hotel-princes-street-2546818

 

Thanks 

 

There were a couple of them in a standoff with two Sainsbury’s staff at back of jenners yesterday as staff won’t let them in

[Mac_fae_Gillie]

3 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

 

They shoot to incapacitate and that means at least one body shot. They're aiming for the easiest target to hit and that's the torso. I have seen some go on about they should go for a leg shot etc which is ludicrous.

Imagine how difficult and dangerous that would be. There would be bullets ricocheting all around as they try to hit the leg of a moving target. I'm not sure if they follow the SAS practice when it's been decided to take someone down.

Saw an SAS guy talk about it in a documentary. He said the SAS go for two rapid body shots which he further said was like "being hit by a sledge hammer" and would knock anyone down.

Use to be 1 of 2 objectives.. 1.. Save the hostages.. 2.. Kill the terrorists.. both can be used but 1 is always above the other during the attack, also point out that the closer in vicinity of X-rays to Yankees generally meant dead terrorists.

[fabienleclerq]

6 hours ago, OmiyaHearts said:

I've been in the town a few times. Junkies and homeless taken over the place and been making peoples lives hell.

 

Last week, staff in Central Station told me to avoid Hope Street due to mass muggings. Groups of homeless just swarming on people and taking everything. On Tuesday there was  a stabbing outside Nero at St Enoch as well. It's been mental the last few weeks.

 

It's like the walking dead in Glasgow centre just now, just groups of junkies walking about. 

[theshed]

10 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

 

It's like the walking dead in Glasgow centre just now, just groups of junkies walking about. 

 

I didn’t realise how bad a problem it is till lockdown started then you see them all when walking through the town .... it’s really bad  

[Sooperstar]

2 hours ago, Adam Murray said:

A small video of the difficulty facing police when dealing with someone armed with a knife.

 

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