Rebecca Long Bailey sacked.

[Beast Boy]

10 minutes ago, Cade said:

I mean, it's not really a good situation, is it?

Pretty awful really. 

[Des Lynam]

Have any of you ever been to Israel? 

 

I find it odd those that criticise Israel don’t seem to fully understand or care about its history. 

[felix]

23 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

Have any of you ever been to Israel? 

 

I find it odd those that criticise Israel don’t seem to fully understand or care about its history. 

I think the people who criticise Israel, care very much about it's history.

Neighbour was there last year.  Felt very uncomfortable with the inherent racism of the people he met. Maybe he was unlucky. What did he miss ?

[Beast Boy]

38 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

Have any of you ever been to Israel? 

 

I find it odd those that criticise Israel don’t seem to fully understand or care about its history. 

Should we not comment or have an opinion on current and world affairs unless we have been to the part of the world where it is happening?

[manaliveits105]

Anyway back on topic you cant trust the Labour Party or the Unions 

[felix]

23 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Anyway back on topic you cant trust the Labour Party or the Unions 

 

Labour and the Unions isn't the topic.

Keir Starmer's commitment to Jews, anti-semitism and Israel, is.

[maroonlegions]

6 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Anyway back on topic you cant trust the Labour Party or the Unions 

Trust, thats a good one. Tell me just what the Tories have done for the less well off in the last 10 years.??

 

Anyway to add to that , you cant trust the Tories under Boris or the lackys he serves.

 

Dont trust the unions. Then see the holiday pay, sick pay, working conditions , bank holidays, that's what the unions fought for. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

I really wonder why they tie themselves in knots over Israel - it’s hardly an issue that affects our daily life. 

[maroonlegions]

6 hours ago, felix said:

 

Labour and the Unions isn't the topic.

Keir Starmer's commitment to Jews, anti-semitism and Israel, is.

 

Aye he was a bit sneaky using the back on topic quote.

 

Keir Starmer is beginning to see things i think.

 

US police departments under pressure to end training programmes with Israel

 

Two decades of Israeli-US police cooperation includes training in racial profiling, counter terrorism and suppressing protests;

 

In the days following George Floyd's killing, pictures of Israeli authorities taking similar positions over the necks of Palestinians have begun appearing across social media (Reuters)

 

 

 

[maroonlegions]

2 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

I really wonder why they tie themselves in knots over Israel - it’s hardly an issue that affects our daily life. 

In the bigger picture it does to some degree, on a global scale it influences global politics and policies, that in turn affect us. 

[maroonlegions]

Well done Kathryn Stone. Pity the Labour leader did not follow suit. While he is  busy sacking a left wing MP , this tory rat thinks he can slip back down his sewer and get away from any scrutiny.

 

Following the release of a cache of correspondence showing numerous interactions between the two over a £1bn property development in east London, the minister has been accused of deliberately rushing through a planning decision to save the billionaire tens of millions of pounds due in tax.

 

Now imagine Labour doing this. This is the crux of the Tories out for each other , feather their nests and feck the rest. Helping the rich AVOID  paying their way in tax , while the NHS and public services are on the brink. 

 

Boris Johnson declined to ask the cabinet secretary, Sir Mark Sedwill, to investigate the allegations, so Labour has asked Kathryn Stone, the commissioner for standards, to investigate whether Jenrick’s behaviour constitutes a breach of the MPs’ code Kathryn Stone

 

 

 

 

Labour reports Robert Jenrick to parliamentary watchdog;

 

 

Minister accused of rushing planning decision to help Tory donor Richard Desmond

 

 

 

Edited June 26, 2020 by maroonlegions

[maroonlegions]

8 hours ago, Des Lynam said:

Have any of you ever been to Israel? 

 

I find it odd those that criticise Israel don’t seem to fully understand or care about its history. 

Its odd that the truth is also not what ones to hear either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jake]

6 hours ago, felix said:

 

Labour and the Unions isn't the topic.

Keir Starmer's commitment to Jews, anti-semitism and Israel, is.

It's all of these things.

It's being portrayed at least on newsnight compatible with kinnock and militant tendency.

Now Keir is going after the left of the party.

 

I'm very critical of Israel and US foreign policy.

I'm also minded of the general feeling from the neighbouring states and their population towards Israel.

 

 

[felix]

1 hour ago, jake said:

It's all of these things.

It's being portrayed at least on newsnight compatible with kinnock and militant tendency.

Now Keir is going after the left of the party.

 

I'm very critical of Israel and US foreign policy.

I'm also minded of the general feeling from the neighbouring states and their population towards Israel.

 

 

It might be all of these things, but not in equal measure.

Starmer's No 1 priority is appeasing the Israel lobby.

 

[Dawnrazor]

27 minutes ago, felix said:

 

Starmer's No 1 priority is appeasing the Israel lobby.

 

Why? With the pro Palestinian numbers in the Labour Party he'd bet better to keep the numbers on his side.

[felix]

1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said:

Why? With the pro Palestinian numbers in the Labour Party he'd bet better to keep the numbers on his side.

Pro Palestine doesn't win UK elections.  Starmer knows it .

He also knows it's the pro Israel lobby which is the most powerful lobby in UK politics.

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, felix said:

Pro Palestine doesn't win UK elections.  Starmer knows it .

He also knows it's the pro Israel lobby which is the most powerful lobby in UK politics.

Fair points, glad to see that the Labour have a leader with actually winning an election in mind, there's been far to much pandering to the unelectable socialist left of the part, imo, it caused a farcical opposition under Corbyn and allowed the Tories a clear shot at goal, it can't happen again. Weak opposition results in weak government. 

[Cade]

A major controversy is that the IHRA definition of Antisemitism is illustrated by 11 examples and 6 of them mention Israel

https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism

 

Implicitly, criticism of Israeli policy is ipso facto antisemitic under this definition.

Which is bollocks.

 

[Nucky Thompson]

2 hours ago, felix said:

Pro Palestine doesn't win UK elections.  Starmer knows it .

He also knows it's the pro Israel lobby which is the most powerful lobby in UK politics.

So he's obviously an intelligent man who knows what it will take to become PM and get rid of bumbling Boris 

[SE16 3LN]

13 hours ago, weehammy said:

I’m equally sure you understand that Minneapolis PD we’re not trained by Israelis. Even that idiot Maxine Peake has admitted that.

 

Ah, so Long-Bailey is racist because she retweeted Maxine Peake's assertion that the MPD were trained by the Israelis. I disagree, and if you support the Israeli treatment of Palestinians you have a problem not Long-Bailey.

[jake]

18 hours ago, felix said:

It might be all of these things, but not in equal measure.

Starmer's No 1 priority is appeasing the Israel lobby.

 

Even though I'm no fan of long bailey it worries me that legitimate criticism of a state or country or indeed a race religion or cult when it is justified is deemed unacceptable.

I empathise with Israel to some extent but i agree with  Cades conclusion.

17 hours ago, Cade said:

A major controversy is that the IHRA definition of Antisemitism is illustrated by 11 examples and 6 of them mention Israel

https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism

 

Implicitly, criticism of Israeli policy is ipso facto antisemitic under this definition.

Which is bollocks.

 

 

[felix]

1 hour ago, jake said:

Even though I'm no fan of long bailey it worries me that legitimate criticism of a state or country or indeed a race religion or cult when it is justified is deemed unacceptable.

I empathise with Israel to some extent but i agree with  Cades conclusion.

 

 

Criticism of Israel is specifically mentioned in the preface to the IHRA definitions :- ".... criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic ".

If I understand Long Bailey's crime, she tweeted a story claiming the method used to restrain (& kill) Geo Floyd, was learned in Israel.

Even if this is true, I can't see how under the official terms of the IHRA definition, that's anti-semitic.

Inflamatory, yes. Inaccurate, perhaps. But I could well be missing something .

 

[Governor Tarkin]

On 25/06/2020 at 16:52, Justin Z said:

 

Spot on. Shouldn't need repeating but criticising the Israeli government is in no way anti-Semitic.

 

Same way criticising the American government is in no way anti-Yank. I should know, I have to listen to most of you (rightly) do it all the time.

 

I was actually criticising you, mate.

 

On 26/06/2020 at 00:39, I P Knightley said:

 

The media shone a spotlight on Corbyn's Labour party, managing to concoct an anti-semitic angle when I truly believe none was there (nothing institutional, at least). Corbyn was too shite to tackle that effectively so Starmer has inherited a situation where he has to be seen to be strong on anti-semitism. I saw nothing that I would describe as anti-semitic in the article but because of the sensitivity to thre issue and the fact that RL-B is Corbyn with tits, her retweet was bound to stir up a storm. A happy ending for Starmer: three bits with one stone: 1. Being seen to be strong against antisemitism; 2. Getting RL-B out of his shadow cabinet and 3. Showing Boris Johnson up for his inability to deal with Jenrick or Cummings or...

 

For those critical of Starmer being a red Tory, you need to figure what you want and be realistic. A "Left" party will never be elected into government, it just won't happen. Surely the priority has to be getting Cummings, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Raab and co out?

 

Having Corbyn in opposition allowed the Tories to move further and more nastily to the right. All that is needed is a shift towards the abandoned middle ground. 

 

Excellent summing up as usual, IP.

 

On 26/06/2020 at 08:06, Special Officer Doofy said:

I remember watching a news article on the annexing of the West Bank. The Israelis had decided to connect some of their illegal settlements together, straight through the middle of some subsistence farm land where the Palestinian farmers who lived there eked a living by keeping a small amount of livestock. The reporters went to speak to the farmers and the occupants of the illegal settlements, to ask their opinions. Quite harrowing levels of arrogance and hatred from the Israelis. The reporter interviewed the staff and customers of a barber shop amongst others. From that particular interview you were treated to such comments as “they should be moved, we are more powerful than them” etc. Others interviewed called the Palestinians degrading names. 
 

Don’t know why it stuck in my head so much, but I think it was down to the fact that it echoed what I had learnt years before about the Nazis and their invasion of Czechoslovakia. To a degree anyway. This idea that if you have your ‘own people’ colonise a place, then you can then use their ‘protection’ as an excuse to subjugate, pillage or kill the people who’s land they have settled on. Hitler cited the protection of the Germanic people in what is now the Czech Republic as the reason for him occupying their land. He viewed the Slavic people who lived their in a similar way to how these Israeli people view the Palestinians. Less important people who have no rights because they are not strong enough to establish those rights.

 

The world is a den of thieves, buddy.

I'm forever grateful that our wee slice of it, for all its faults, is actually a damned good place to be.

Edited June 27, 2020 by Governor Tarkin

[Beast Boy]

21 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

The world is a den of thieves, buddy.

I'm forever grateful that our wee slice of it, for all its faults, is actually a damned good place to be.

 

Could be far far worse.

[maroonlegions]

1 hour ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

 

Could be far far worse.

It is , to those who are suffering  or have DIED of 10 years of a sustained attacks on welfare  and a chronic lack  of social or council  affordable housing. 

 

Those that tend to generalize about the truths about poverty , while  ignoring stats from charities like Shelter, and those chartires who  engage and work directly in the front line of poverty in this country, tend to be the ones "comfortable",   not effected , or even  benefiting somehow, from the Tory austerity con  on the less well off or poor. Justifications will come in all sorts of spins.

 

I would even go as far as  those  suffering from mental and physical health  who  have NOT been spared the brutal draconian cuts  and attacks on their welfare and public spending in the lifetime of this present government.

 

Those claiming it COULD be worse are ignorant of the true lives of poverty in  the UK,  it is worse ,why , because they either can't be bothered, or feel no need to listen ,or  look at the facts given by front line charities who deal with poverty. 

 

Those with their head up their own smug content  sun  dont shines have no fecking clue about the abject misery , homelessness and increased poverty  this fecker of a government has created by its policies since its time in government.

 

 

Its amazing ,but  not a surprise to me, that Starmer managed to make the public more aware of a Labour politician retweeting   an interview with an actor in a mainstream news paper than a Tory cabinet minister ROBBING a struggling London council of £40 MILLION in tax evasion so he could help out a Tory party DONOR. There is your choice of politics in Britain today, a Tory inspired concept of  "feathering the nest and feck the rest" policy encouraged by a ruthless ever right wing press and media, Cummings is just one of the insidious characters that are influencing  tory government policies,   the UK is governed and ruled by serial liars and self centered crooks. 

 

Show me that rippled effect on schools, kids in poverty , local NHS services, and homeless  from that London council  and i will show you the politics of choice  were you either starve or pay your rent to private landlords ..

 

 

Edited June 27, 2020 by maroonlegions

[Beast Boy]

2 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

It is , to those who are suffering  or have DIED of 10 years of a sustained attacks on welfare  and a chronic lack  of social or council  affordable housing. 

 

Those that tend to generalize about the truths about poverty , while  ignoring stats from charities like Shelter, and those chartires who  engage and work directly in the front line of poverty in this country, tend to be the ones "comfortable",   or benefiting somehow, from the Tory austerity con  on the less well off or poor.

 

I would even go as far as  those  suffering from mental and physical health  who  have NOT been spared the brutal draconian cuts  and attacks on their welfare and public spending in the lifetime of this present government.

 

Those claiming it COULD be worse are ignorant of the true lives of poverty in  the UK,  it is worse ,why , because they either can't be bothered, or feel no need to listen ,or  look at the facts given by front line charities who deal with poverty. 

 

Those with their head up their own smug content  sun  dont shines have no fecking clue about the abject misery , homelessness and increased poverty  this fecker of a government has created by its policies since its time in government.

 

 

Its amazing ,but  not a surprise to me, that Starmer managed to make the public more aware of a Labour politician retweeting   an interview with an actor in a mainstream news paper than a Tory cabinet minister ROBBING a struggling London council of £40 MILLION in tax evasion so he could help out a Tory party DONOR. There is your choice of politics in Britain today, a Tory inspired feather the nest and feck the rest policy encouraged by a ruthless ever right wing press and media, Cummings is just one of the insidious characters that are influencing  tory government policies,   the UK is governed and ruled by serial liars and self centered crooks. 

 

Show me that rippled effect on schools, kids in poverty , local NHS services, and homeless  from that London council  and i will show you the politics of choice .   

 

 

I assumed he was talking about Scotland, in all honesty. Either way though, as bad as things are under the Tories in WestMinster, it’s clearly not comparable to what’s happening in the West Bank, 1930’s Czechoslovakia, The Ukraine or Northern Ireland during the troubles. 

[Cade]

Israel could annex the West Bank as soon as Wednesday of next week.

RIP international law.

 

 

[grumpyjambo]

Wouldn't mind getting her in the sack......................................

[Governor Tarkin]

On 27/06/2020 at 18:17, Special Officer Doofy said:

I assumed he was talking about Scotland, in all honesty. Either way though, as bad as things are under the Tories in WestMinster, it’s clearly not comparable to what’s happening in the West Bank, 1930’s Czechoslovakia, The Ukraine or Northern Ireland during the troubles. 

 

I was. ML loves a slaver.

[Beast Boy]

4 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I was. ML loves a slaver.

How’s the gairden?

[XB52]

On 26/06/2020 at 11:37, Des Lynam said:

Have any of you ever been to Israel? 

 

I find it odd those that criticise Israel don’t seem to fully understand or care about its history. 

What history? Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years, unlike the European Zionists. Israel is a modern creation, based on a 'fairy story' .  

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

How’s the gairden?

 

Back garden is minted. Started landscaping the front now and getting prepped for re-laying the driveway. Filled two 8 tonne skips last week. Digging out clay by hand is murder. 

[Dawnrazor]

56 minutes ago, XB52 said:

What history? Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years, unlike the European Zionists. Israel is a modern creation, based on a 'fairy story' .  

 

[Beast Boy]

49 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Back garden is minted. Started landscaping the front now and getting prepped for re-laying the driveway. Filled two 8 tonne skips last week. Digging out clay by hand is murder. 

We got ours done just before lockdown. Now we’ve got a problem with the drainage from the extension, and we’ve had to have parts of it dig back out, to fix the drains. Infuriating.