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Saughton Jambo
Just now, Hearts1975 said:

100% mate. Absolutely bang on.

Reason I am saying this is that it has been suggested that his salary is on the low side and for a player of his obvious talent 

 

As much as I understand the need for wage structures there always has to be exceptions, and if ever we had a situation like this I would definitely class Hickey in this bracket 

 

 

Rumoured to be on £500pw with and Improved offer of an additional £250 to sign an extended contract by our former manager. Hickey won’t be signing any extended contract here and not for any amount of money. Needs sold whilst his stock is still high. He’ll be back along the M8 before a ball is kicked in earnest this season imo 

 

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Hearts1975
1 minute ago, Saughton Jambo said:

Rumoured to be on £500pw with and Improved offer of an additional £250 to sign an extended contract by our former manager. Hickey won’t be signing any extended contract here and not for any amount of money. Needs sold whilst his stock is still high. He’ll be back along the M8 before a ball is kicked in earnest this season imo 

 

Sounds like you have some detail and insight on this.

 

Your suggesting that you don’t think there is anything further that we can do ?

 

Disappointing if this is the case. 

I was thinking when you mentioned the figures above that he may have initially been insulted, but with CL away if we made him another offer of higher value, he could potentially have reconsidered 

 

I know that there is obvious allure for him heading along the m8 - just hoped we could evade this in all honesty 

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Pasquale for King
4 hours ago, Homme said:

 

Probably more chance of us making money if he goes the Celtic route

How do you work that out? For a start they will put in the lowest offer (like they did with McGinn). They are less likely to give us a sell on clause too. I think he’s more likely to progress at a better club than Celtic and be sold on. He could do a Tierney of course.

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Pasquale for King
On 09/06/2020 at 20:27, Glamorgan Jambo said:

For all the chat about his dad being a Selleck

man (which I don’t doubt) that’ll be the same dad that let him leave them and join Hearts in order to get a clearer path to first team football. Far from certain where he’ll end up.

I’m not sure if he left as opposed to being released as a laddie that wasn’t deemed good enough to be a central midfielder, it was Hearts youth coaches who turned him into a LB.

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Famous 1874
4 hours ago, Saughton Jambo said:

Rumoured to be on £500pw with and Improved offer of an additional £250 to sign an extended contract by our former manager. Hickey won’t be signing any extended contract here and not for any amount of money. Needs sold whilst his stock is still high. He’ll be back along the M8 before a ball is kicked in earnest this season imo 

 

We only offered him an additional 250 quid a week??

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Shanghai Hearts
19 minutes ago, Famous 1874 said:

We only offered him an additional 250 quid a week??

 

 I heard Celtic have been in three times already, big Celtic fan also, as previously stated. If that all we are offering based on solid performances as a young player, you can imagine the outcome. Selling him looks like the only option, as part of our rebuild, unless we offer significantly more and a set price clause for him to move, if he continues to progress.

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Homme
1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

How do you work that out? For a start they will put in the lowest offer (like they did with McGinn). They are less likely to give us a sell on clause too. I think he’s more likely to progress at a better club than Celtic and be sold on. He could do a Tierney of course.

 

Far more chance of getting a game at Celtic than any other club mentioned. 

 

They just sold their previous left back for 20+ million. They get big fees for their players. 

 

Playing band enhancing himself with first team football for Celtic rather than languishing in reserves at the likes of Bayern etc is far more likely to make us money. 

 

Not that I want him to sign for them mind you. 

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Pasquale for King
1 hour ago, Homme said:

 

Far more chance of getting a game at Celtic than any other club mentioned. 

 

They just sold their previous left back for 20+ million. They get big fees for their players. 

 

Playing band enhancing himself with first team football for Celtic rather than languishing in reserves at the likes of Bayern etc is far more likely to make us money. 

 

Not that I want him to sign for them mind you. 

Like they Greg Taylor that they signed from Kilmarnock for a rumoured £1m, like Bolingoli who cost £3m, bad their own Calvin Miller who are 22/24/22. He will need to learn the attacking side of the game at Celtic to get ahead of those three, I just think he would learn all aspects of the gam elsewhere. Whereas if he goes to Celtic we would need to hope he does well to get a sell on fee 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️🙈.

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Pasquale for King
2 hours ago, Famous 1874 said:

We only offered him an additional 250 quid a week??

Ask Levein.

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Paulp74
11 hours ago, Saughton Jambo said:

Rumoured to be on £500pw with and Improved offer of an additional £250 to sign an extended contract by our former manager. Hickey won’t be signing any extended contract here and not for any amount of money. Needs sold whilst his stock is still high. He’ll be back along the M8 before a ball is kicked in earnest this season imo 

 

I would be very surprised if we have only offered him £750 pw! I'm sure we'll have offered him a lot more.

 

We should do the same as we did with craig gordon. He was apparently given £18k per week to sign an extension but then we sold him for £9m. We should have done similar with hickey. Offered him a bigger wage but in the knowledge we would make it back and more in the  transfer fee.  Maybe we did already but he is keen to move on.

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Mikey1874
14 hours ago, Smithee said:

I'm pretty sure Celtic will be entitled to 30% of any sell on fee we get, but I don't know if that includes a share of our development fees too

 

No they wouldn't 

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soonbe110
7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Like they Greg Taylor that they signed from Kilmarnock for a rumoured £1m, like Bolingoli who cost £3m, bad their own Calvin Miller who are 22/24/22. He will need to learn the attacking side of the game at Celtic to get ahead of those three, I just think he would learn all aspects of the gam elsewhere. Whereas if he goes to Celtic we would need to hope he does well to get a sell on fee 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️🙈.

Miller has been released, Taylor has screwed up big time behind the scenes so they need another lb. Not sure Hickey is their first pick though. 

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PTBCAL
6 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Miller has been released, Taylor has screwed up big time behind the scenes so they need another lb. Not sure Hickey is their first pick though. 


Taylor been a naughty boy? 

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Pasquale for King
35 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Miller has been released, Taylor has screwed up big time behind the scenes so they need another lb. Not sure Hickey is their first pick though. 

I’ve never heard of him but he’s 22 so is at that make or break age, probably go to Hibs. Hadn’t heard about Taylor, swap deal and sell on clauses both ways 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️?

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TheBigO
2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I’ve never heard of him but he’s 22 so is at that make or break age, probably go to Hibs. Hadn’t heard about Taylor, swap deal and sell on clauses both ways 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️?

Taylor a good player. Attitude issue? If not, I'd take that swap tbh.

 

Want the sell on though

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Pasquale for King
23 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Taylor a good player. Attitude issue? If not, I'd take that swap tbh.

 

Want the sell on though

Don’t know what the issue is to be honest, they might want him off the books. Wages might be a problem though.

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Space Pirate
Posted (edited)

So...

Anyone else hate when people start a sentence with so? 

So, is there any chance of Hickey staying? or close thread?

Edited by Space Pirate

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HMFC01
17 hours ago, Space Pirate said:

So...

Anyone else hate when people start a sentence with so? 

So, is there any chance of Hickey staying? or close thread?

 So so.

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chrisyboy7

Not a bid that's to shout about for this talented player....maybe they ste waiting till. August......I would give him 10k a week and slap a fee on his head.

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ramrod

Heard a deals been agreed with Man Citeh , loaned back for a year . 

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Mikey1874

Nice one.

 

He's a sensible lad.

 

 

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gashauskis9

Defo something happening tonight.  Twitter seems hot on it.

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Kiwidoug
8 minutes ago, ramrod said:

Heard a deals been agreed with Man Citeh , loaned back for a year . 

Does that mean we get money plus Hickey for the season? Seriously, is that what it means?

 

That would be superb.

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1971fozzy
11 minutes ago, ramrod said:

Heard a deals been agreed with Man Citeh , loaned back for a year . 


heard this also. 

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ToqueJambo

Club produces one of the most sought after teenage defenders around.

 

League deliberately demotes them for no good reason.

 

Never change Scottish football, never change.

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SuperstarSteve

Hickey to city before he turned 18 seemed to always be the plan.
 

Glad to get him back for a year but not fussed about the fee too much as he walks for free in January and Celtic get 30%. Whatever we get is more than we would come January. 

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Thought Police
14 minutes ago, SuperstarSteve said:

Hickey to city before he turned 18 seemed to always be the plan.
 

Glad to get him back for a year but not fussed about the fee too much as he walks for free in January and Celtic get 30%. Whatever we get is more than we would come January. 

Yeah, we had to sell now, and at least we get him back the season anyway.

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johnking123

Hickey is 18 now.

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SuperstarSteve
4 minutes ago, johnking123 said:

Hickey is 18 now.

That’ll be that then 😂. Always thought they wanted him to be a HGT but that ship has sailed. 

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Neil Dongcaster

Any fee being spoken about?

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steve123

I might be being very naive but I would be flabbergasted if he ended up at City.

 

Appreciate he is well though about but that is a hell of a jump !!

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1971fozzy
Just now, Jamboross said:

As far as I can see it's just some rumour posting Twitter account that this is stemming from. Can't see anything from anyone more reliable. 

https://twitter.com/WeAreScottishFB/status/1277986273962188800?s=20


they’ve watched him quite a bit. With their money it’s a low key gamble tbf

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Newton51

As long as its not Celtic even though the sell on clause

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ShedBoy

He’s a good player but he always looks absolutely knackered to me?  Has he had too much football? Are we constantly talking him up to get a good price? Something just doesn’t add up 🤷🏻‍♂️ I wish him nothing but goodwill though and hope he captains Scotland to the World Cup then he retires a multi millionaire 👍🏻 Good luck to the boy

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Armageddon

It’s well known it’s his dad firing these team names to the press, the dads a knob by all accounts, a loaded knob.  So much so Aaron is still on £350 p/w at the dads request, because he knows the boy will benefit more if a dream move comes to something.

 

Anybody see the snaps of Aaron jumping off a huge Glasgow waterfall into a river a couple of weeks ago? Mental.

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Rick Sanchez

He always looks like he's pulled his hammy or calf after 20mins but he just keeps going 🤷‍♂️😄

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Mikey1874
18 minutes ago, steve123 said:

I might be being very naive but I would be flabbergasted if he ended up at City.

 

Appreciate he is well though about but that is a hell of a jump !!

 

City sign a lot of promising youngsters. 

 

Potential. Often move on. 

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TheBigO
Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

City sign a lot of promising youngsters. 

 

Potential. Often move on. 

Is Hickey as good a player as Meshino and/or will he be in 3/4 years when he reaches that age? City signed Ryo...

 

 

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steve123
11 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

City sign a lot of promising youngsters. 

 

Potential. Often move on. 

fingers crossed then a few million would do !!

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Mikey1874
Posted (edited)
14 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Is Hickey as good a player as Meshino and/or will he be in 3/4 years when he reaches that age? City signed Ryo...

 

 

 

I've seen a few of their youngsters. Guys no where near playing for them. All seem to have skill and potential but we know it takes more than that. A few quite callow. 

 

While Chelsea's strategy just seems to be to make money, not sure what City's plan is in all their youngsters. Not all go on loan either. 

Edited by Mikey1874

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RustyRightPeg

 

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

I've seen a few of their youngsters. Guys no where near playing for them. All seem to have high skill and potential but we know it takes more than that. A few quite callow. 

 

While Chelsea's strategy just seems to be to make money, not sure what City's plan is in all their youngsters. Not all go on loan either. 

 

Strange thing about City is the owners own 8 or 9 clubs now and a lot of their players end up at these teams for nothing rather than loaning them out externally for a fee. 

 

In comparison to Chelsea who made £45/50M on loan fees alone last year and managed to sign Werner for effectively nothing off it this. 

 

Personally if Hickey does go, I can't see him making it very far down there. He isn't athletic enough (potentially yet) and has a lot of work to do in the weight room. Positionally I can't really fault him up here but it's a whole different ball game down there and the training is a whole different intensity.

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Bozi
11 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

 

 

Strange thing about City is the owners own 8 or 9 clubs now and a lot of their players end up at these teams for nothing rather than loaning them out externally for a fee. 

 

In comparison to Chelsea who made £45/50M on loan fees alone last year and managed to sign Werner for effectively nothing off it this. 

 

Personally if Hickey does go, I can't see him making it very far down there. He isn't athletic enough (potentially yet) and has a lot of work to do in the weight room. Positionally I can't really fault him up here but it's a whole different ball game down there and the training is a whole different intensity.

City will probably be "selling" them to their other clubs for a tidy wee profit that makes FFP look within their reach, its basically laundering money through clubs to make the balance sheet look better 

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OTT
1 minute ago, RustyRightPeg said:

 

 

Strange thing about City is the owners own 8 or 9 clubs now and a lot of their players end up at these teams for nothing rather than loaning them out externally for a fee. 

 

In comparison to Chelsea who made £45/50M on loan fees alone last year and managed to sign Werner for effectively nothing off it this. 

 

Personally if Hickey does go, I can't see him making it very far down there. He isn't athletic enough (potentially yet) and has a lot of work to do in the weight room. Positionally I can't really fault him up here but it's a whole different ball game down there and the training is a whole different intensity.

 

This is meant to be changing actually since you mentioned it. 

 

FIFA are stepping in to curb the hoarding of players which seems to be happening (Hector at Chelsea being one of the worst examples of this), FIFA are essentially as of 2021 allowing only 8 players to out on loan over the age of 22 and then 6 in 2022/23

 

It may not necessarily help distribute young talent better, but will force them to make tough decisions when players are getting into that territory. One video quoted a point in time where Atalanta had over 150 players out on loan. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/atalanta-bergamo/leihspieler/verein/800 Current is quite a lot too. 

 

Obviously Red Bull and City own multiple clubs so player hoarding can still occur, but this should force enough of a change for there to be a downstream impact for clubs like us ideally. 

 

https://www.otbsports.com/sport/fifa-curb-player-hoarding-limiting-loan-deals-908284

https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2020/3/4/21157356/new-fifa-rules-regulations-loan-players-premier-league-chelsea-man-city-everton-brands-ancelotti

 

One of my biggest complaints is young Scottish lads buggering off down south at the first opportunity and sitting in the reserves at a big club till they are 'past it' in a competitive sense. The worst example of this I can think of is Islam Feruz. So much wasted talent. Remember seeing him at a youth international game I went along to at Easter Road and he was looking pretty decent. Instead of trying to challenge himself he's taken easy street and is pretty much done with football at 24. Adam King too, Swansea was a waste of his time and he's now 24 with barely more experience than Cochrane.... A lot of these lads have no business being at top clubs and are turfed out at their weakest instead of when it becomes clear they aren't making it at that level. Feruz being binned from Chelsea 2 years before he was instead of being given a new contract maybe gives him the shock he needs to kick on and find that hunger to succeed. 

 

I'd like to see FIFA make it 21 or even 20 instead. It would seriously put pressure on big clubs to let the horde of players they're never using go out and forge a career at the right level. 

 

On Hickey, a loan back is good. Gives us a year of breathing room to figure out what we're doing. Plus its not Celtic so happy enough with that. 

 

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Jambof3tornado
48 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

I've seen a few of their youngsters. Guys no where near playing for them. All seem to have skill and potential but we know it takes more than that. A few quite callow. 

 

While Chelsea's strategy just seems to be to make money, not sure what City's plan is in all their youngsters. Not all go on loan either. 

This is from jan last year. Worth a read on citehs young talents being sold on after very few often zero starts.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6568423/amp/Manchester-Citys-136m-worth-sales-kids-Brahim-Diaz-sale-Real-Madrid.html

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Last Laff
2 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

Club produces one of the most sought after teenage defenders around.

 

League deliberately demotes them for no good reason.

 

Never change Scottish football, never change.


Celtic produced him?  
 

 

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Byyy The Light
1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:
57 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

 

 

Strange thing about City is the owners own 8 or 9 clubs now and a lot of their players end up at these teams for nothing rather than loaning them out externally for a fee. 

 

In comparison to Chelsea who made £45/50M on loan fees alone last year and managed to sign Werner for effectively nothing off it this. 

 

Personally if Hickey does go, I can't see him making it very far down there. He isn't athletic enough (potentially yet) and has a lot of work to do in the weight room. Positionally I can't really fault him up here but it's a whole different ball game down there and the training is a whole different intensity.


Did anyone see Andy Robertson being the player he is now while he was at Dundee Utd?

 

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Mikey1874

Andy Robertson played games which is the key thing.

 

And developed at every club he was at. 

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Mikey1874

Really interesting info, cheers.

 

One thing that is a concern is the relationships between clubs.

 

Its normal to get on better with some people. But clearly some deals are being done. 

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RustyRightPeg

I didn't see Robertson becoming the player he has, but he didn't make the jump to Liverpool straight away. He played a whole season for Hull and proved he was capable in the league of being a starter.

 

Man City won't loan him to another Prem club and even if they did, I still don't think he'd start for any of them...

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