Lone Striker Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Independence said: From BBC Scotland: Hearts will not face face financial ruin should their relegation from the Scottish Premiership prove final. The Tynecastle club were relegated from the Scottish Premiership on Monday after the season was ended early. But they continue to consult clubs over their plan for league reconstruction with a view to avoiding demotion. In the past week, there have been over 600 new pledges through Foundation of Hearts, while the club continue to have the backing of their benefactors. Modern journalism at its laziest - just copy & paste from a fans forum. Can someone please start a thread about FoH having been scammed by a fake Nigerian prince, and all the money is gone ? 🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sac Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Just upped mines by a tenner to £30 pm. Always Hearts. FTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Can we get some clarification on the 300/600 new members thing? From what I can gather (read somewhere earlier) 300 new pledgers plus around 300 regular pledgers increasing their amount. I believe to increase your dd you need to cancel your old direct debit and add your new amount so, it would be 600 NEW direct debits (300 newbies and 300 increased).....not 100% itk and happy to be corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilmuir Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Modern journalism at its laziest - just copy & paste from a fans forum. Can someone please start a thread about FoH having been scammed by a fake Nigerian prince, and all the money is gone ? 🧐 Pathetic, isn’t it? With the exception of Tom English the BBC sport journalism is hopeless. By the way, well played all new/increased pledgers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said: From what I can gather (read somewhere earlier) 300 new pledgers plus around 300 regular pledgers increasing their amount. I believe to increase your dd you need to cancel your old direct debit and add your new amount so, it would be 600 NEW direct debits (300 newbies and 300 increased).....not 100% itk and happy to be corrected. Thanks. Think that must be it. 👍 On a bit of a tangent, I’m not so sure about the cancelling the DD thing though. I think when I upped mine I just did it on the website, and chose a new amount. Don’t think I’m paying the two different amounts. Does the previous DD not stop automatically? I read someone saying that you have to contact your bank and cancel the DD. I don’t think that’s the case. Hope that makes sense. Reading it back, it’s a bit messy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 9 hours ago, mintmyster said: You do need to cancel your old DD. Can be done easily enough if you have online banking. But does that mean my status as a founder FOH person from the start is lost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 We are ****ing loaded. GIRFUY all those other cockroach rat clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Have as much as I can in a Hearts emergency fund ring fenced for a one off payment in case needed (don't tell the wife). We didn't go through all that under Romanov to let things slip now, especially when it's not our own club's fault this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 20/05/2020 at 14:00, Ethan Hunt said: Well done to all the new pledgers and those that have increased their current pledges. Once again the Hearts fans rise to the challenge. HHGH ❤️ One day we'll get proper credit in the media or even recognition from the people running Scottish football for it. By one day I mean never of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I'm sure everyone who reads this forum and I mean everyone, is extremely proud of the FoH. Increasing subscribers by 600 during the lockdown is superb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Thanks. Think that must be it. 👍 On a bit of a tangent, I’m not so sure about the cancelling the DD thing though. I think when I upped mine I just did it on the website, and chose a new amount. Don’t think I’m paying the two different amounts. Does the previous DD not stop automatically? I read someone saying that you have to contact your bank and cancel the DD. I don’t think that’s the case. Hope that makes sense. Reading it back, it’s a bit messy! I'm going to up my pledge now too. Wouldn't mind knowing the answer to this before I go in and do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, pablo said: I'm going to up my pledge now too. Wouldn't mind knowing the answer to this before I go in and do it. I have increased my own pledge a few times using this process. You do not loose anything. If you can....encourage friends/family to join and work with our benefactors to build up our contingency plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrennie Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I upped my pledge & got an email confirming new amount. About an hour later I got another email stating my dd for the previous amount was cancelled. I am sure everyone who increases will get the same 2 messages - mine went into junk mail 1. Foundation of Hearts wants to set you up with a new subscription Hearts Pledge £22.00 on the 5th of each month Starting on June 5, 2020 2. Your subscription of £11.00 on the 5th of each month to Foundation of Hearts for Hearts Pledge has been cancelled. No further payments will be charged under this subscription. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnlondon Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 We have money of that there is no doubt Argument to be made that we need more competent people in charge moving forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, glynnlondon said: We have money of that there is no doubt Argument to be made that we need more competent people in charge moving forward Of course we have the money. For now it's about 'unity' (please someone tell Mr Mackay) and thereafter 'lessons learned' !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, jarrennie said: I upped my pledge & got an email confirming new amount. About an hour later I got another email stating my dd for the previous amount was cancelled. I am sure everyone who increases will get the same 2 messages - mine went into junk mail 1. Foundation of Hearts wants to set you up with a new subscription Hearts Pledge £22.00 on the 5th of each month Starting on June 5, 2020 2. Your subscription of £11.00 on the 5th of each month to Foundation of Hearts for Hearts Pledge has been cancelled. No further payments will be charged under this subscription. There is a separate thread on KB specifically for FoH. Most contributors don't have any issues. Try the thread I mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, pablo said: I'm going to up my pledge now too. Wouldn't mind knowing the answer to this before I go in and do it. 17 minutes ago, Independence said: I have increased my own pledge a few times using this process. You do not loose anything. If you can....encourage friends/family to join and work with our benefactors to build up our contingency plan. 16 minutes ago, jarrennie said: I upped my pledge & got an email confirming new amount. About an hour later I got another email stating my dd for the previous amount was cancelled. I am sure everyone who increases will get the same 2 messages - mine went into junk mail 1. Foundation of Hearts wants to set you up with a new subscription Hearts Pledge £22.00 on the 5th of each month Starting on June 5, 2020 2. Your subscription of £11.00 on the 5th of each month to Foundation of Hearts for Hearts Pledge has been cancelled. No further payments will be charged under this subscription. Thanks chaps. That clears it up. I just did it through the website and then checked the wee section about your pledge. It showed that my pledge had changed to the new amount and I never thought anything else about it. Must have these same emails sitting somewhere, but I hardly ever check my personal emails these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 hours ago, jarrennie said: I upped my pledge & got an email confirming new amount. About an hour later I got another email stating my dd for the previous amount was cancelled. I am sure everyone who increases will get the same 2 messages - mine went into junk mail 1. Foundation of Hearts wants to set you up with a new subscription Hearts Pledge £22.00 on the 5th of each month Starting on June 5, 2020 2. Your subscription of £11.00 on the 5th of each month to Foundation of Hearts for Hearts Pledge has been cancelled. No further payments will be charged under this subscription. Nope - I didn’t get this I can double but not treble - I presume there is an admin contact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Thanks. Think that must be it. 👍 On a bit of a tangent, I’m not so sure about the cancelling the DD thing though. I think when I upped mine I just did it on the website, and chose a new amount. Don’t think I’m paying the two different amounts. Does the previous DD not stop automatically? I read someone saying that you have to contact your bank and cancel the DD. I don’t think that’s the case. Hope that makes sense. Reading it back, it’s a bit messy! You definitely need to cancel the old DD mate. I increased my pledge a few months ago and didn’t cancel the old one. I don’t realise I was paying two and discovered this when checking the bank for something else. It’s the only DD I’ve never failed to ask for a refund for though lol. I’m happy it was double payments for a few months 🇱🇻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Saughton Jambo said: You definitely need to cancel the old DD mate. I increased my pledge a few months ago and didn’t cancel the old one. I don’t realise I was paying two and discovered this when checking the bank for something else. It’s the only DD I’ve never failed to ask for a refund for though lol. I’m happy it was double payments for a few months 🇱🇻 Cool, cheers SJ, I’ll probably leave it a month then, and treat it as an extra one of payment. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Cool, cheers SJ, I’ll probably leave it a month then, and treat it as an extra one of payment. 👍 Yes the new amount comes off on the day you increase but the old one still comes off on the very day you set up your first pledge. It’s not foolproof but in this case I was happy to let it run a few months before cancelling the old one. I think mine was the 5th and 9th of the month before I realised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Saughton Jambo said: Yes the new amount comes off on the day you increase but the old one still comes off on the very day you set up your first pledge. It’s not foolproof but in this case I was happy to let it run a few months before cancelling the old one. I think mine was the 5th and 9th of the month before I realised. Appreciate this is different thread, but are you closer to revealing what knowledge you and Selkirk have been going on about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Saughton Jambo said: Yes the new amount comes off on the day you increase but the old one still comes off on the very day you set up your first pledge. It’s not foolproof but in this case I was happy to let it run a few months before cancelling the old one. I think mine was the 5th and 9th of the month before I realised. I’ll have a wee swatch at my cybermails and see what it says. Cheers. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 A kids option would definitely be good. Though I appreciate, as SW says, it's hard to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Appreciate this is different thread, but are you closer to revealing what knowledge you and Selkirk have been going on about? You must’ve missed the activity this morning on the other thread MTS. My personal inbox crashed as a result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Saughton Jambo said: You must’ve missed the activity this morning on the other thread MTS. My personal inbox crashed as a result Read the other thread but thought you were waiting on confirmation before posting anything. Wouldn't send you PM though as that seems a bit over top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Saughton Jambo said: You must’ve missed the activity this morning on the other thread MTS. My personal inbox crashed as a result Can you tie it down to a page no. on the thread. Ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Read the other thread but thought you were waiting on confirmation before posting anything. Wouldn't send you PM though as that seems a bit over top. Still waiting for confirmation. I don’t like to contact my source and badger him for info. He lets me have it when he gets it and I’m content to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: Can you tie it down to a page no. on the thread. Ta. I’m not even sure what thread it’s on buddy. But you’re a regular poster and if needs must you can pm me a mobile no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Saughton Jambo said: Still waiting for confirmation. I don’t like to contact my source and badger him for info. He lets me have it when he gets it and I’m content to wait. No problem with that. Had started to read all mornings posts again in case I had missed anything due to my ranting and typing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Saughton Jambo said: I’m not even sure what thread it’s on buddy. But you’re a regular poster and if needs must you can pm me a mobile no You are a popular guy. Your inbox appears full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, Saughton Jambo said: Yes the new amount comes off on the day you increase but the old one still comes off on the very day you set up your first pledge. It’s not foolproof but in this case I was happy to let it run a few months before cancelling the old one. I think mine was the 5th and 9th of the month before I realised. Bringing back memories of my increase. Odd feeling just letting the original debit fly, but a satisfactory one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 Thanks to @Walter Bishop for the nod Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japanjambo Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Just now, Whatever said: Thanks to @Walter Bishop for the nod Amazing. Absolutely amazing. A club like no ther. So proud to be a part of it. #FOH #NevertooLate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 11 hours ago, Cigaro said: A kids option would definitely be good. Though I appreciate, as SW says, it's hard to do. Would be a cracking idea. Even a couple of quids worth of pocket money each month with the benefit of them seeing their name associated with something would attract a fair whack of subscriptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 When adversity rears it’s head, HMFC rally to the badge. More often than not we come back bigger and stronger than before as a result. FoH just gives us, the fans, a way of doing this directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22games nro Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Reading the Facebook statement just fills me with immense pride, well done all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, 22games nro said: Reading the Facebook statement just fills me with immense pride, well done all Any chance of copying and putting on here, mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Whilst Hibs fans continue to rob their club blind, our fans step up to the plate AGAIN when the proverbial shit hits the fan. Each and every person who puts into FOH deserves respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 14 hours ago, Independence said: Of course we have the money. For now it's about 'unity' (please someone tell Mr Mackay) and thereafter 'lessons learned' !!!! I do think when Levein finally leaves Tynecastle for good that will be a huge divisive force gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 I copied the FOH tweet and sent it to a few mates. On the back of this, one has started pledging again and another has set up a new pledge for his baby son. Spread the word and try and get others pledging. It works. 👍🏻 🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japanjambo Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Just now, Whatever said: Any chance of copying and putting on here, mate? Foundation of Hearts chairman Stuart Wallace has paid tribute to the supporters’ overwhelming response since football was halted, insisting: ‘Something special is happening’. Since the SPFL suspended the game on March 13 due to the world health crisis, some 700 fans have either started new monthly pledges or increased their existing direct debits. That includes around 400 transactions since the SPFL made the decision to curtail the Premiership and officially demote Hearts from the Premiership last Monday. Wallace has been bowled over by the response of the legends in the stands, particularly given the uncertainty of the financial climate. Stuart said: “The numbers are staggering. We’ve been blown away by it all and it is quite humbling to be perfectly honest. To be able to do that and support the club is fantastic. “All we ever say to people is, ‘just pledge what you can afford’, that is the important message. Pledge what you can afford, but it’s clear something special is happening amongst the fans base. “What we said at the outset was that we cannot expect to be unaffected by this, people would be put on furlough, some people may lose their jobs and certainly there would be a question over peoples’ financial situation. We expected we might take a bit of a dunt like everyone else. “We’ve put the odd tweet out but we’ve not gone cap in hand to the supporters. “It’s clear something very special is happening here. It feels like the fans are looking for somewhere to rally and the place they have chosen to rally behind, again, is the Foundation of the Hearts. “Every month we’re passing over the thick end of £125,000 to the club, how many professional clubs in Scotland have that income stream right now? I don’t know but my suggestion is one. “We actually got an uptake at the start so were able to pass on more money to the club in the previous month. “My Foundation email is constant with people trying to reactive a pledge or start a pledge, whatever it might be. “On the flip side, someone asked me how many had cancelled but with the amount of emails I’ve had that way, I could probably count them on both hands.” While the pandemic has led to the postponement of current Hearts owner Ann Budge handing over her majority shareholding to the Foundation, Wallace also believes the incredible uptake in pledges is recognition that the supporters believe in the vision set out by the FoH. Wallace added: “It has been massive validation for us in terms of what we stand for at the FoH. “None of us saw this coming, the last thing we expected as we moved towards fans ownership was having to deal with what is effectively a world wide financial crash again. “But the fans have rallied and it is clear that they fundamentally are buying into what we’re trying to do. “We have board meetings over Zoom these days and Ann said in the last one, ‘Stuart’s about to tell you all about something special that is happening over at the Foundation of Hearts’. It’s great to hear that.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, japanjambo said: Foundation of Hearts chairman Stuart Wallace has paid tribute to the supporters’ overwhelming response since football was halted, insisting: ‘Something special is happening’. Since the SPFL suspended the game on March 13 due to the world health crisis, some 700 fans have either started new monthly pledges or increased their existing direct debits. That includes around 400 transactions since the SPFL made the decision to curtail the Premiership and officially demote Hearts from the Premiership last Monday. Wallace has been bowled over by the response of the legends in the stands, particularly given the uncertainty of the financial climate. Stuart said: “The numbers are staggering. We’ve been blown away by it all and it is quite humbling to be perfectly honest. To be able to do that and support the club is fantastic. “All we ever say to people is, ‘just pledge what you can afford’, that is the important message. Pledge what you can afford, but it’s clear something special is happening amongst the fans base. “What we said at the outset was that we cannot expect to be unaffected by this, people would be put on furlough, some people may lose their jobs and certainly there would be a question over peoples’ financial situation. We expected we might take a bit of a dunt like everyone else. “We’ve put the odd tweet out but we’ve not gone cap in hand to the supporters. “It’s clear something very special is happening here. It feels like the fans are looking for somewhere to rally and the place they have chosen to rally behind, again, is the Foundation of the Hearts. “Every month we’re passing over the thick end of £125,000 to the club, how many professional clubs in Scotland have that income stream right now? I don’t know but my suggestion is one. “We actually got an uptake at the start so were able to pass on more money to the club in the previous month. “My Foundation email is constant with people trying to reactive a pledge or start a pledge, whatever it might be. “On the flip side, someone asked me how many had cancelled but with the amount of emails I’ve had that way, I could probably count them on both hands.” While the pandemic has led to the postponement of current Hearts owner Ann Budge handing over her majority shareholding to the Foundation, Wallace also believes the incredible uptake in pledges is recognition that the supporters believe in the vision set out by the FoH. Wallace added: “It has been massive validation for us in terms of what we stand for at the FoH. “None of us saw this coming, the last thing we expected as we moved towards fans ownership was having to deal with what is effectively a world wide financial crash again. “But the fans have rallied and it is clear that they fundamentally are buying into what we’re trying to do. “We have board meetings over Zoom these days and Ann said in the last one, ‘Stuart’s about to tell you all about something special that is happening over at the Foundation of Hearts’. It’s great to hear that.” 😊 Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 15 hours ago, jarrennie said: I upped my pledge & got an email confirming new amount. About an hour later I got another email stating my dd for the previous amount was cancelled. I am sure everyone who increases will get the same 2 messages - mine went into junk mail 1. Foundation of Hearts wants to set you up with a new subscription Hearts Pledge £22.00 on the 5th of each month Starting on June 5, 2020 2. Your subscription of £11.00 on the 5th of each month to Foundation of Hearts for Hearts Pledge has been cancelled. No further payments will be charged under this subscription. I'd watch that carefully. I had been double donating for a few months with only the lesser amount showing on my dashboard. I only noticed when I was reigning in my expenses for being furloughed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Very small increase from me but will see how things pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eck1874 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Apparently 106 either new subscribers or increases recorded yesterday alone. 👏👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo-in-furness Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 The best thing about this is the “snowballing effect” Well done to all the new/raised pledgers PLEDGE FOR LIFE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eck1874 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 15 hours ago, Cigaro said: A kids option would definitely be good. Though I appreciate, as SW says, it's hard to do. I have sent Stuart a message this morning about setting up a pledge for u’18s with different reward scheme, new strip/mascot for the day etc. He has responded saying he will take it to the board on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22games nro Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, eck1874 said: I have sent Stuart a message this morning about setting up a pledge for u’18s with different reward scheme, new strip/mascot for the day etc. He has responded saying he will take it to the board on Friday. if given the go ahead I’m setting one up for my granddaughter ( she’s 3 next month ) think there will be a lot of uptake with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eck1874 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, 22games nro said: if given the go ahead I’m setting one up for my granddaughter ( she’s 3 next month ) think there will be a lot of uptake with this. Totally agree I have 9 year old twin girls but don’t think they would really be interested in a plot of grass. I would definitely set up a new pledge for them on top of my own one even if it was only a fiver each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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