Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[frankblack]

Just now, OBE said:

New covid strain numbers aligning to the predicted 70% increase in transmissions. The virus is prevailing under the SG's pre-emptive tighter restrictions. One day of human interaction and the virus gets an even bigger boner...

 

The question is who are the SG going to hit out at and blame for it - they chose to allow the 5 day window against scientific advice they refuse to publish?  Only at the last minute they drop it down to 1 day.

 

Seems to me this goes down as yet another brainfart from the SG.

 

The media talks about them considering new tighter restrictions which is kind of missing the point - they have shut everything down bar essential food outlets already.  Therefore it leaves the option of actually telling us where these transmissions are happening, which they should be collecting and aggregating from track and trace.

 

My fear is that they are prioritising getting schools and universities back ASAP and don't care how many businesses go to the wall to satisfy their stubborn egos.

 

It seems to me that if you have everything shut down that needs to be schools and universities too to see if the numbers drop, given the lag between infections and people getting tested.

[Weakened Offender]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

Why are all the 'poor sods' socialising with 'maniacs'?

 

Just you ignore the virus and  keep socialising. 😉

 

[Mikey1874]

2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I don't think we have seen the Christmas Day spike come through in the figures yet.

 

UK figures still getting worse too 55892 cases 964 deaths

 

Heading for highest daily deaths soon

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

I don't think we have seen the Christmas Day spike come through in the figures yet.

 

UK figures still getting worse too 55892 cases 964 deaths

 

Yip I think it'll be in the next few days to the next week before those numbers start to filter through, same with tonight, it'll be a week at least before we see those numbers start to come to the fore.

[Footballfirst]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Yip I think it'll be in the next few days to the next week before those numbers start to filter through, same with tonight, it'll be a week at least before we see those numbers start to come to the fore.

Any extra cases will start to come through over the next week, hospitalisations a week or more after that and deaths a further week or two later.

[Nucky Thompson]

944,000 have had the 1st dose of the vaccine up until 27th December.

It will be ramped up big style come Monday

[Captain Sausage]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I can't really be arse with the bullshit from the don't tell me what to do Brigade. It those types that are spreading the fecking thing. 

Mind that time you were bragging about being a man and going in and working with the flu, in close proximity to other people. 
 

Off the high horse Aussieh. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

2 hours ago, OBE said:

 

I reckon a very high % of Flu victims know they have it and the virus naturally incapacitates their hosts lessening further contagion.

 

doesnt stop 10s of thousands of vulnerable people dying from it every year

 

48000 excess deaths in 1999/2000

 

all true unfortunately

 

 

[Doctor FinnBarr]

41 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

He'll probably be the first to get paid off when redundancies happen

 

Maybe, but he'll leave with a damn sight more than I would.

[Nucky Thompson]

3 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said:

 

Off the high horse Aussieh. 

I think he fell off the high horse a long time ago and bumped his head

[joondalupjambo]

1 hour ago, Costanza said:

Doctors' Association weighing in on this now.

Can't see this story going away any time soon.

 

 

At the latest Boris presser last night it was said that there would now be circa 12 weeks between doses but they were unclear if it was for both vaccines, the Pfizer one and the Oxford one.  This announcement was made in the first couple of minutes of the briefing and I thought brushed over initially.    However nobody on that panel clarified that or did any journo ask the question if it was for both the Pfizer and the Oxford ones.  I thought somebody missed a blatant and obvious opportunity and now at best we have a communication error and at worst a real trust issue now.  (I must admit afterwards, on reflection I assumed that they had been talking about the new Oxford vaccine and that the Pfizer rollout would be as planned).

 

What we need is a Vaccine Minister to steer this whole vaccine process.  Oh wait we have one.  However do we see or hear from him enough?  He needs to be seen and heard now on a regular basis to build up trust, to keep everyone informed on the safety of the jabs, updating the purchase and delivery process, the rollout plans, the numbers in the priority groups jabs being completed and be the conduit for any complaints by the professional bodies.  This is now the key pillar in the fight against the virus.  I wonder why he is keeping such a low profile?  To be honest I cannot even remember his name.

[Taffin]

12 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Just you ignore the virus and  keep socialising. 😉

 

 

I'm not socialising out with the rules...hence I've not caught it.  Maybe some of the 'poor sods' should try it.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

3 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

Maybe people were right to be wary of the whole process?

 

i can understand you may have doubts from time to time - in those moments it’s worth switching on the television and there will be a friendly politician or a member of “the science” to fully re-assure you

 

obviously switch off your brain too for maximum peace of mind 👍

 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, joondalupjambo said:

At the latest Boris presser last night it was said that there would now be circa 12 weeks between doses but they were unclear if it was for both vaccines, the Pfizer one and the Oxford one.  This announcement was made in the first couple of minutes of the briefing and I thought brushed over initially.    However nobody on that panel clarified that or did any journo ask the question if it was for both the Pfizer and the Oxford ones.  I thought somebody missed a blatant and obvious opportunity and now at best we have a communication error and at worst a real trust issue now.  (I must admit afterwards, on reflection I assumed that they had been talking about the new Oxford vaccine and that the Pfizer rollout would be as planned).

 

What we need is a Vaccine Minister to steer this whole vaccine process.  Oh wait we have one.  However do we see or hear from him enough?  He needs to be seen and heard now on a regular basis to build up trust, to keep everyone informed on the safety of the jabs, updating the purchase and delivery process, the rollout plans, the numbers in the priority groups jabs being completed and be the conduit for any complaints by the professional bodies.  This is now the key pillar in the fight against the virus.  I wonder why he is keeping such a low profile?  To be honest I cannot even remember his name.

 

Spot on.  Nadhim Zahawi.  

 

****ing up the vaccine roll-out just isn't an option.  

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, OBE said:

 

And transfer it unwittingly to some poor sod that is susceptible.

" the poor sod" ?  Enzo was pointing out quite rightly that those who were viewed as most vulnerable etc would be vaccinated therefore anyone who would then catch the virus was clearly not in the higher risk category so extremely unlikely to become ill and even less to die.  Stop using emotive language like " poor sod"...to further your argument. 

[frankblack]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I'm not socialising out with the rules...hence I've not caught it.  Maybe some of the 'poor sods' should try it.

 

Not seen my mates since the "16 day circuit breaker" announced on the Krankie show, wear face masks and try to social distance and also haven't caught it.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Hugh is right

 

Professor Hugh Montgomery says hospitals are facing a "tsunami" of Covid cases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55496640 

Awe naw....just the ray of positive ,  sunshine and rainbows we all need for 2021....

[joondalupjambo]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

Spot on.  Nadhim Zahawi.  

 

****ing up the vaccine roll-out just isn't an option.  

Well done if you knew that off the top of your head 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

" the poor sod" ?  Enzo was pointing out quite rightly that those who were viewed as most vulnerable etc would be vaccinated therefore anyone who would then catch the virus was clearly not in the higher risk category so extremely unlikely to become ill and even less to die.  Stop using emotive language like " poor sod"...to further your argument. 

 

More Mr Magoo reasoning.

 

Not everyone will gain immune protection from the vaccine.

 

Yes?

 

Later we open things up.  People not vaccinated come into contact with virus.  Some of whom,  lots of whom,  also come into contact with vulnerable group / old aged people,  some of whom have not acquired immunity or who's immunity does not persist for long.

 

That's why further measures will follow on from the vaccine phase.

 

 

[luckyBatistuta]

38 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

What outdoor places are crowded? What's the guidance for dogging? 

For the types that are probably up for that, I think it would be best to wear a mask, pandemic or not.

 

 

 

this would also do the job I suppose 

Edited December 31, 2020 by luckyBatistuta

[Victorian]

4 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Well done if you knew that off the top of your head 

 

Actually did tbh.  He was quite a surprise for the job.  

[Mikey1874]

11 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

At the latest Boris presser last night it was said that there would now be circa 12 weeks between doses but they were unclear if it was for both vaccines, the Pfizer one and the Oxford one.  This announcement was made in the first couple of minutes of the briefing and I thought brushed over initially.    However nobody on that panel clarified that or did any journo ask the question if it was for both the Pfizer and the Oxford ones.  I thought somebody missed a blatant and obvious opportunity and now at best we have a communication error and at worst a real trust issue now.  (I must admit afterwards, on reflection I assumed that they had been talking about the new Oxford vaccine and that the Pfizer rollout would be as planned).

 

What we need is a Vaccine Minister to steer this whole vaccine process.  Oh wait we have one.  However do we see or hear from him enough?  He needs to be seen and heard now on a regular basis to build up trust, to keep everyone informed on the safety of the jabs, updating the purchase and delivery process, the rollout plans, the numbers in the priority groups jabs being completed and be the conduit for any complaints by the professional bodies.  This is now the key pillar in the fight against the virus.  I wonder why he is keeping such a low profile?  To be honest I cannot even remember his name.

 

Pfizer second doze appointments for next week have been cancelled. 

 

Oxford vaccine does not start being used until next week. 

[joondalupjambo]

18 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

944,000 have had the 1st dose of the vaccine up until 27th December.

It will be ramped up big style come Monday

 

The 944k will be the Pfizer ones which now have the second doses on hold.

I applaud your second statement as it is positive but that will only relate to the Oxford vaccines now and after reading this I am not so sure the reality matches the expectations.  

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55500238

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Not seen my mates since the "16 day circuit breaker" announced on the Krankie show, wear face masks and try to social distance and also haven't caught it.

Reminds me last time I had a drink in a pub ( well in edinburgh ) was Monday Oct 3rd.  Had a tankful. Must have anticipated something coming up.  Yeah that 16 days circuit breaker went well didnt it ? 

[joondalupjambo]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Actually did tbh.  He was quite a surprise for the job.  

 I know he is a Business Minister or similar isn't he?  I thought they would have appointed a person with deep process and logistical skills.

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

More Mr Magoo reasoning.

 

Not everyone will gain immune protection from the vaccine.

 

Yes?

 

Later we open things up.  People not vaccinated come into contact with virus.  Some of whom,  lots of whom,  also come into contact with vulnerable group / old aged people,  some of whom have not acquired immunity or who's immunity does not persist for long.

 

That's why further measures will follow on from the vaccine phase.

 

 

So basically by this reasoning it'll never bloody end then....as Enzo and a few others including me have said  we need to live with it and not in fear of it.   Do we accept some " collateral" damage like we accept with the annual flu so we can then open up completely or we so risk adverse we continue with various types of restrictions for years ? 

[Mikey1874]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

So basically by this reasoning it'll never bloody end then....as Enzo and a few others including me have said  we need to live with it and not in fear of it.   Do we accept some " collateral" damage like we accept with the annual flu so we can then open up completely or we so risk adverse we continue with various types of restrictions for years ? 

 

Once the vaccine has been given to high risk groups we should be able to go back to normal. 

 

Which will include accepting Covid like the flu. 

 

Because at that point health service can cope. Deaths should be low. As long as the vaccine is effective. 

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

So basically by this reasoning it'll never bloody end then....as Enzo and a few others including me have said  we need to live with it and not in fear of it.   Do we accept some " collateral" damage like we accept with the annual flu so we can then open up completely or we so risk adverse we continue with various types of restrictions for years ? 

 

No it will end.  It will end sooner if it's done properly and without consequential damage from doing it half-assed.  The half-assed route will prolong the ****ing misery.

[Nucky Thompson]

12 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

 

 

Later we open things up.  People not vaccinated come into contact with virus.  Some of whom,  lots of whom,  also come into contact with vulnerable group / old aged people,  some of whom have not acquired immunity or who's immunity does not persist for long.

 

That's why further measures will follow on from the vaccine phase.

 

 

It will get to the point when they start weighing things up and will be accepting some collateral damage 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Once the vaccine has been given to high risk groups we should be able to go back to normal. 

 

Which will include accepting Covid like the flu. 

 

Because at that point health service can cope. Deaths should be low. As long as the vaccine is effective. 

 

“Deaths should be low” - what ballpark are you thinking here (realise it’s very variable)

 

10000 - 20000 like the flu ?

[frankblack]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

No it will end.  It will end sooner if it's done properly and without consequential damage from doing it half-assed.  The half-assed route will prolong the ****ing misery.

 

Correct - I get nervous every time I see Hancock on the TV as he is the most incompetent and minister I can ever recall seeing for any party, and he gives me absolutely zero confidence in anything he says.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Once the vaccine has been given to high risk groups we should be able to go back to normal. 

 

Which will include accepting Covid like the flu. 

 

Because at that point health service can cope. Deaths should be low. As long as the vaccine is effective. 

Thats exactly my thinking but not Victorian it seems.  Yes the initial aim of lockowns was to prevent deaths. transmissions and " save the NHS"  Surely once death rates plummet then the NHS is " protected" and there maybe is still transmission but to those who can fight it off. But then again Victorian argues that even those who have had the vaccine may be vulnerable to covid again.  My argument is when would this all end then.? When does society open up to the vast majority of us who will not be affected by covid?  

 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It will get to the point when they start weighing things up and will be accepting some collateral damage 

 

Yep eventually.  The official position will be ongoing measures but it will degrade over time.  Things will get tighter if numbers begin to rise again.

 

I would love it if it was possible to flick a switch and instantly go from last man vaccinated to let's all go on a month long bender.  Unfortunately there are too many considerations and possibilities to negotiate first. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It will get to the point when they start weighing things up and will be accepting some collateral damage 

Yes I think this will happen. The Govt should be very clear and transparent about this in an official briefing outlining their new policy of " collateral damage" but clearly not using these words.  They can emphasis that most people have now been protected but there will still be some people who may contract it despite the best efforts of medicine. But they will note we need to balance it with opening up again and getting back to normal. And I mean normal. Not masks * unless you still want to wear them, social distancing etc. I still have suspicion that night clubs will be one of the last places to open up if at all due to their crowded spaces.  I think you have also had suspicions that some things will be changed too in the name of " protection from covid".  

[Nucky Thompson]

3 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

 

 

10000 - 20000 like the flu ?

I think the government will except that scenario 

[Governor Tarkin]

46 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Just you ignore the virus and  keep socialising. 😉

 

 

Solid advice.

[Samuel Camazzola]

23 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

For the types that are probably up for that, I think it would be best to wear a mask, pandemic or not.

 

 

 

this would also do the job I suppose 

That'll explain why there are so many of them down at Longniddry Bents despite there being no golden arches for miles around. 😄

[Nucky Thompson]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Military being drafted to help staff Nightengale Hospital.

I'm sure a certain poster got ridiculed for suggesting that the other day 

[Costanza]

7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Once the vaccine has been given to high risk groups we should be able to go back to normal. 

 

Which will include accepting Covid like the flu. 

 

Because at that point health service can cope. Deaths should be low. As long as the vaccine is effective. 

From what I've read, an issue with that is allowing the virus to run through the rest of the population, runs the risk of a further mutation that is less susceptible to the vaccine.

Also an increase in those who survive but suffer long covid you'd imagine will be taken into consideration as well.

 

Personally would be surprised to see much relaxation until we achieve 70% as a minimum level for 'herd immunity'.

 

[luckyBatistuta]

2 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

That'll explain why there are so many of them down at Longniddry Bents despite there being no golden arches for miles around. 😄

  
 

No Big Tasty in those bags, maybe the odd cheese melts though😖

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Costanza said:

From what I've read, an issue with that is allowing the virus to run through the rest of the population, runs the risk of a further mutation that is less susceptible to the vaccine.

Also an increase in those who survive but suffer long covid you'd imagine will be taken into consideration as well.

 

Personally would be surprised to see much relaxation until we achieve 70% as a minimum level for 'herd immunity'.

 

 

Also correct.  Some of the vaccines can be very quickly modified to update on new strains so it's not an absolute disaster on that score.  But there is a constant risk of a vaccine escape variant coming along with bigger teeth.  I wouldn't want to even be around if we're faced with starting at square 1 again.  A total ender.

[Mikey1874]

16 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

“Deaths should be low” - what ballpark are you thinking here (realise it’s very variable)

 

10000 - 20000 like the flu ?

 

Less going by what has happened with Covid and the vaccines tested as much more effective than flu vaccines. 

[frankblack]

11 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes I think this will happen. The Govt should be very clear and transparent about this in an official briefing outlining their new policy of " collateral damage" but clearly not using these words.  They can emphasis that most people have now been protected but there will still be some people who may contract it despite the best efforts of medicine. But they will note we need to balance it with opening up again and getting back to normal. And I mean normal. Not masks * unless you still want to wear them, social distancing etc. I still have suspicion that night clubs will be one of the last places to open up if at all due to their crowded spaces.  I think you have also had suspicions that some things will be changed too in the name of " protection from covid".  

 

Night clubs, concerts, festivals, etc have zero chance of happening in an uncontrolled fashion before the autumn.

 

I have stopped buying tickets for upcoming gigs partly due to all the rescheduled gigs that I already have which likely won't happen.

[kila]

7 minutes ago, Costanza said:

From what I've read, an issue with that is allowing the virus to run through the rest of the population, runs the risk of a further mutation that is less susceptible to the vaccine.

Also an increase in those who survive but suffer long covid you'd imagine will be taken into consideration as well.

 

Personally would be surprised to see much relaxation until we achieve 70% as a minimum level for 'herd immunity'.

 

I think the UK government will be keen to open up, like this summer. Face masks and hygiene might be encouraged but will go out the window as severe cases and deaths fall.
 

And who knows, maybe a little green might help mitigate this virus too

 

[Weakened Offender]

12 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I'm sure a certain poster got ridiculed for suggesting that the other day 

 

😁

 

They're only being drafted in to HELP. 😉

[Costanza]

6 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Also correct.  Some of the vaccines can be very quickly modified to update on new strains so it's not an absolute disaster on that score.  But there is a constant risk of a vaccine escape variant coming along with bigger teeth.  I wouldn't want to even be around if we're faced with starting at square 1 again.  A total ender.

Yeah and also, we don't know how long the vaccines will protect people for, so a risk there as well if we take too long to vaccinate the rest of the population.

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

6 minutes ago, kila said:

I think the UK government will be keen to open up, like this summer. Face masks and hygiene might be encouraged but will go out the window as severe cases and deaths fall.
 

And who knows, maybe a little green might help mitigate this virus too

 

 

A certain poster will be devastated when that day comes.

[OBE]

46 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

" the poor sod" ?  Enzo was pointing out quite rightly that those who were viewed as most vulnerable etc would be vaccinated therefore anyone who would then catch the virus was clearly not in the higher risk category so extremely unlikely to become ill and even less to die.  Stop using emotive language like " poor sod"...to further your argument. 

I'll decide how I express myself.

 

21 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Thats exactly my thinking but not Victorian it seems.  Yes the initial aim of lockowns was to prevent deaths. transmissions and " save the NHS"  Surely once death rates plummet then the NHS is " protected" and there maybe is still transmission but to those who can fight it off. But then again Victorian argues that even those who have had the vaccine may be vulnerable to covid again.  My argument is when would this all end then.? When does society open up to the vast majority of us who will not be affected by covid?  

 

Your argument is a question.

 

 

16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes I think this will happen. The Govt should be very clear and transparent about this in an official briefing outlining their new policy of " collateral damage" but clearly not using these words.  They can emphasis that most people have now been protected but there will still be some people who may contract it despite the best efforts of medicine. But they will note we need to balance it with opening up again and getting back to normal. And I mean normal. Not masks * unless you still want to wear them, social distancing etc. I still have suspicion that night clubs will be one of the last places to open up if at all due to their crowded spaces.  I think you have also had suspicions that some things will be changed too in the name of " protection from covid".  

The above hurts ma heid.

 

Watch and no hurt yirsel when you let go of Enzo's bell-end.

 

HNY James...

[frankblack]

3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

A certain poster will be devastated when that day comes.

 

They can always help pick them up off the streets. 🤔

[Costanza]

7 minutes ago, kila said:

I think the UK government will be keen to open up, like this summer. Face masks and hygiene might be encouraged but will go out the window as severe cases and deaths fall.
 

And who knows, maybe a little green might help mitigate this virus too

 

Being keen to open up is arguably why we've had cycles of restrictions since and a mutated strain.

The surest way to protecting the economy is to just vaccinate 70% upwards as fast as bloody possible.

Which likely means that won't happen...