Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[FWJ]

20 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Thanks for the heads up. 

Happy to have helped

[OBE]

33 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

No, being wrong and you disagreeing are not the same thing. The problem is that sections of the population have been conditioned,  hoodwinked and controlled in different measures, in to a belief that Covid should be micromanaged on a daily basis.

If we agree that it will always be there in some form and that the most vulnerable are protected, we treat Covid like any other illness or risk. Flu can kill 20k in a bad year, despite vaccinations. We don't lock people up to avoid that situation.  If we closed schools, decimated the hospitality industry and told everyone to download a govt app and wear a mask then perhaps we could "save lives " from flu. Should we?? No, absolutely not, unless we enjoy living in a totalitarian one party state like China. 

That's our starting point, so Covid becomes like any other virus, it may spread but it will run out of vulnerable people to infect and will come up against people who either aren't susceptible to it or can fight it off without even knowing they have it. It will eventually burn itself out as any meaningful threat. Life has to return to normal at the earliest opportunity and for some, that will mean huge psychological hurdles to clear but continuing to advocate that the population stop living to "save lives" is not sustainable.  We need to ditch asymptomatic testing - had anybody ever heard of this pre-Covid - daily updates etc and put this virus in perspective. 

 

And transfer it unwittingly to some poor sod that is susceptible.

[willie wallace]

On 16/12/2020 at 18:14, redjambo said:

 

No probs, Willie. It's the nation-wide rate. So if you take the total number of new cases in the country reported today and work out the per-100,000 figure for that, then you come up with 13 (rounded to the nearest whole number).

 

689 new cases / 5,463,200 population of Scotland * 100,000 = 12.61

 

It can be thought of as the national average, if you like.

Hi Red.This is your reply to my question asked 2 weeks ago.

The Scotland figure you just posted is nearly 4 times more than it was then.

That is some increase.

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, willie wallace said:

Hi Red.This is your reply to my question asked 2 weeks ago.

The Scotland figure you just posted is nearly 4 times more than it was then.

That is some increase.

 

It is indeed, Willie. Unwelcome records currently being set all over the place as regards Covid stats, I'm afraid to say. Was entirely expected over the festive period though. I'm hoping that after New Year's we'll hunker down and get the rate back down again.

[Weakened Offender]

11 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

And transfer it unwittingly to some poor sod that is susceptible.

 

The poor susceptible sods catching it are a fair price to pay to the likes of these entitled maniacs. 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Weakened Offender

[Enzo Chiefo]

10 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

And transfer it unwittingly to some poor sod that is susceptible.

Yes, as happens with cold, flus etc. You cannot wrap an entire population in cotton wool in case someone catches a virus. 

[OBE]

1 minute ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

These poor susceptible sods catching it are a fair price to pay for the likes of these entitled maniacs. 

 

If only this wee ***ker of a virus was as visible as the Flu...

[OBE]

1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, as happens with cold, flus etc. You cannot wrap an entire population in cotton wool in case someone catches a virus. 

 

I reckon a very high % of Flu victims know they have it and the virus naturally incapacitates their hosts lessening further contagion.

[TheOak88]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

And yet they will be blaming the vehicles for air pollution in St John's Road.

 

Those left-wing car-hating nutjobs in the clowncil have been using Covid to force through a number of insane road measures in other areas like Ferry Road, and had to back down in making East Craigs a no-car zone when residents got lawyered up.

 

What was the deal with East Craig’s becoming a no car zone? Hadn’t heard about that - I live in the approximate area so would be interested to know.

[Costanza]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

The rollout. People were concerned about the safety of the vaccine but were reassured by the explanation that no corners were being cut and that nothing would be authorised that was unsafe. If (and it's a big if) the tweet earlier in this thread is accurate, then we aren't following what was authorised and undermines that reassurance.

Ah get you. Yeah, it seems strange that the recommended application of the vaccine has been changed without clear evidence of the data behind it, particularly if Pfizer themselves haven't provided that data.

At best, it's a communication balls up, given the reaction from Doctors.

[Jambo 4 Ever]

Hugh is right

 

Professor Hugh Montgomery says hospitals are facing a "tsunami" of Covid cases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55496640 

[Costanza]

36 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

 GOV.UK

Press release

Statement from the UK Chief Medical Officers on the prioritisation of first doses of COVID-19 vaccines

Joint clinical advice from the 4 UK Chief Medical Officers on the prioritisation of first doses of the coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines.

Published 30 December 2020

From:

Department of Health and Social Care

 

 

It is excellent news that the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has today authorised the AstraZeneca (Oxford) vaccine for deployment across the UK.

The MHRA authorisation includes conditions that the AstraZeneca (Oxford) vaccine should be administered in 2 doses, with the second dose given between 4 and 12 weeks after the first. The MHRA has also clarified that for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the interval between doses must be at least 3 weeks. For both vaccines, data provided to MHRA demonstrate that while efficacy is optimised when a second dose is administered, both offer considerable protection after a single dose, at least in the short term. For both vaccines the second dose completes the course and is likely to be important for longer term protection.

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has subsequently recommended that as many people on the JCVI priority list as possible should sequentially be offered a first vaccine dose as the initial priority. They have advised that the second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine may be given between 3 to 12 weeks following the first dose, and that the second dose of the AstraZeneca (Oxford) vaccine may be given between 4 to 12 weeks following the first dose. The clinical risk priority order for deployment of the vaccines remains unchanged and applies to both vaccines. Both are very effective vaccines.

The 4 UK Chief Medical Officers agree with the JCVI that at this stage of the pandemic prioritising the first doses of vaccine for as many people as possible on the priority list will protect the greatest number of at risk people overall in the shortest possible time and will have the greatest impact on reducing mortality, severe disease and hospitalisations and in protecting the NHS and equivalent health services. Operationally this will mean that second doses of both vaccines will be administered towards the end of the recommended vaccine dosing schedule of 12 weeks. This will maximise the number of people getting vaccine and therefore receiving protection in the next 12 weeks.

Based on JCVI’s expert advice, it is our joint clinical advice that delivery plans should prioritise delivering first vaccine doses to as many people on the JCVI Phase 1 priority list in the shortest possible timeframe. This will allow the administration of second doses to be completed over the longer timeframes in line with conditions set out by the independent regulator, the MHRA and advice from the JCVI. This will maximise the impact of the vaccine programme in its primary aims of reducing mortality and hospitalisations and protecting the NHS and equivalent health services.

The JCVI has also amended its previous highly precautionary advice on COVID-19 vaccines and pregnancy or breastfeeding. Vaccination with either vaccine in pregnancy should be considered where the risk of exposure SARS-CoV2 infection is high and cannot be avoided, or where the woman has underlying conditions that place her at very high risk of serious complications of COVID-19, and the risks and benefits of vaccination should be discussed. Those who are trying to become pregnant do not need to avoid pregnancy after vaccination, and breastfeeding women may be offered vaccination with either vaccine following consideration of the woman’s clinical need for immunisation against COVID-19. The UK Chief Medical Officers agree with this advice.

See the press release on the second COVID-19 vaccine authorised by the medicines regulator and the government statement about the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine being authorised by the 

 

 

 

 

 

© Crown copyright

If the Pfizer statement is correct, then the Government are going to have to be a lot clearer on the source of the data that has caused them to change tack.

[Jambo 4 Ever]

Hugh is right

 

Professor Hugh Montgomery says hospitals are facing a "tsunami" of Covid cases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55496640 

[Governor Tarkin]

4 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Hugh is right

 

Professor Hugh Montgomery says hospitals are facing a "tsunami" of Covid cases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55496640 

 

We need more tsunamis imo.

[Shanks said no]

4 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

 

Hugh is right

 

Professor Hugh Montgomery says hospitals are facing a "tsunami" of Covid cases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55496640 

 

Are you sure?

[Jambo 4 Ever]

1 minute ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

 

Are you sure?

Yes 

 

too many people are still not wearing masks 

 

I am constantly reminding people to wear one when I see them without and more often than not they have just forgotten but still no excuse 

[Taffin]

8 minutes ago, Costanza said:

Ah get you. Yeah, it seems strange that the recommended application of the vaccine has been changed without clear evidence of the data behind it, particularly if Pfizer themselves haven't provided that data.

At best, it's a communication balls up, given the reaction from Doctors.

 

 

Yeh, probably (hopefully) more just administrative error/confusion. 👍

[Shanks said no]

Just now, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Yes 

 

too many people are still not wearing masks 

 

I am constantly reminding people to wear one when I see them without and more often than not they have just forgotten but still no excuse 

 

What about when they are outside? Do you think they should be compulsory there too? Example I noticed was queuing for the bus and Chippy, lot of peeps not wearing them then. It's quite scary.

[redjambo]

Today's per-capita 7-day case rates around the councils. I won't be able to produce any more of these for a few days until the data starts rolling in again. Pretty awful reading, but it's good to see East Lothian at least bucking the trend.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Previous	Today	Yesterday				29 Dec	...	24 Dec	23 Dec	22 Dec	21 Dec
Scotland			194	170	+24			154	...	125	130	121	112
Inverclyde	4	2	366	279	+87			213	...	131	107	86	73
Dundee City	4	3	280	238	+42			220	...	175	149	129	119
Renfrewshire	4	3	271	238	+33			205	...	174	159	147	122
East Renfrewshire	4	3	261	239	+22			199	...	178	164	147	129
North Lanarkshire	4	3	261	240	+21			212	...	162	143	131	131
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	254	189	+65			135	...	61	58	54	40
East Ayrshire	4	3	248	227	+21			215	...	203	178	168	154
Scottish Borders	4	1	243	194	+49			165	...	114	105	106	100
Glasgow City	4	3	242	218	+24			194	...	173	167	153	135
North Ayrshire	4	3	231	186	+45			186	...	201	203	193	189
South Lanarkshire	4	3	213	192	+21			196	...	170	158	133	129
Shetland Islands	3	1	210	148	+62			122	...	17	9	4	4
Aberdeen City	4	3	202	178	+24			170	...	193	189	176	162
Edinburgh City	4	3	197	175	+22			160	...	146	135	129	122
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	191	164	+27			134	...	119	108	102	91
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	179	156	+23			134	...	153	150	145	126
Aberdeenshire	4	3	175	151	+24			147	...	133	127	118	106
Angus	4	2	164	141	+23			131	...	81	71	64	52
Midlothian	4	3	164	143	+21			134	...	136	133	139	136
Perth and Kinross	4	3	153	129	+24			134	...	161	143	144	139
Falkirk	4	2	152	135	+17			123	...	96	93	84	80
South Ayrshire	4	3	146	112	+34			113	...	110	104	95	97
Fife	4	3	131	127	+4			116	...	122	117	111	107
East Lothian	4	3	123	128	-5			127	...	157	163	172	174
Stirling	4	3	122	113	+9			117	...	107	110	91	94
West Lothian	4	3	121	98	+23			90	...	106	103	103	97
Clackmannanshire	4	3	118	109	+9			82	...	132	146	144	150
Highland	4	1	95	80	+15			63	...	41	31	28	24
Moray	4	1	78	58	+20			52	...	50	53	41	26
Argyll and Bute	4	2	77	63	+14			51	...	35	43	41	38
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	15	11	+4			7	...	7	7	11	15
Orkney Islands	3	1	4	4	0			4	...	0	0	0	0

[Taffin]

Why are all the 'poor sods' socialising with 'maniacs'?

[Shanks said no]

14 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Didn't CEC want to block off Craigs Road or something equally daft?

Craigs Road would have been about the only way in / out via the Drumbrae. Maybury end would have been closed as would access via Glasgow Road. Locals rose up spectacularly and Clowncil backed down.

 

[Jambo 4 Ever]

5 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

 

What about when they are outside? Do you think they should be compulsory there too? Example I noticed was queuing for the bus and Chippy, lot of peeps not wearing them then. It's quite scary.

Yes should be worn whenever possible 

 

 

[Shanks said no]

Just now, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Yes should be worn whenever possible 

 

 

Is that the official advice yet or is it still meant to be indoors only?

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's per-capita 7-day case rates around the councils. I won't be able to produce any more of these for a few days until the data starts rolling in again. Pretty awful reading, but it's good to see East Lothian at least bucking the trend.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Previous	Today	Yesterday				29 Dec	...	24 Dec	23 Dec	22 Dec	21 Dec
Scotland			194	170	+24			154	...	125	130	121	112
Inverclyde	4	2	366	279	+87			213	...	131	107	86	73
Dundee City	4	3	280	238	+42			220	...	175	149	129	119
Renfrewshire	4	3	271	238	+33			205	...	174	159	147	122
East Renfrewshire	4	3	261	239	+22			199	...	178	164	147	129
North Lanarkshire	4	3	261	240	+21			212	...	162	143	131	131
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	254	189	+65			135	...	61	58	54	40
East Ayrshire	4	3	248	227	+21			215	...	203	178	168	154
Scottish Borders	4	1	243	194	+49			165	...	114	105	106	100
Glasgow City	4	3	242	218	+24			194	...	173	167	153	135
North Ayrshire	4	3	231	186	+45			186	...	201	203	193	189
South Lanarkshire	4	3	213	192	+21			196	...	170	158	133	129
Shetland Islands	3	1	210	148	+62			122	...	17	9	4	4
Aberdeen City	4	3	202	178	+24			170	...	193	189	176	162
Edinburgh City	4	3	197	175	+22			160	...	146	135	129	122
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	191	164	+27			134	...	119	108	102	91
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	179	156	+23			134	...	153	150	145	126
Aberdeenshire	4	3	175	151	+24			147	...	133	127	118	106
Angus	4	2	164	141	+23			131	...	81	71	64	52
Midlothian	4	3	164	143	+21			134	...	136	133	139	136
Perth and Kinross	4	3	153	129	+24			134	...	161	143	144	139
Falkirk	4	2	152	135	+17			123	...	96	93	84	80
South Ayrshire	4	3	146	112	+34			113	...	110	104	95	97
Fife	4	3	131	127	+4			116	...	122	117	111	107
East Lothian	4	3	123	128	-5			127	...	157	163	172	174
Stirling	4	3	122	113	+9			117	...	107	110	91	94
West Lothian	4	3	121	98	+23			90	...	106	103	103	97
Clackmannanshire	4	3	118	109	+9			82	...	132	146	144	150
Highland	4	1	95	80	+15			63	...	41	31	28	24
Moray	4	1	78	58	+20			52	...	50	53	41	26
Argyll and Bute	4	2	77	63	+14			51	...	35	43	41	38
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	15	11	+4			7	...	7	7	11	15
Orkney Islands	3	1	4	4	0			4	...	0	0	0	0

👍

[frankblack]

20 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

 

What was the deal with East Craig’s becoming a no car zone? Hadn’t heard about that - I live in the approximate area so would be interested to know.

 

16 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Didn't CEC want to block off Craigs Road or something equally daft?

 

https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/12943/east-craigs-to-become-city-s-first-low-traffic-neighbourhood

 

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council-set-back-down-controversial-edinburgh-neighbourhood-low-traffic-scheme-3031647

 

https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2020/10/low-traffic-neighbourhood-in-east-craigs-paused-for-consideration-of-legal-advice/

 

An attempt to shunt in major changes by the backdoor using Covid as a smokescreen by these clowns.  They backed down because they were overreaching in their powers.

 

 

[Jambo 4 Ever]

2 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

Is that the official advice yet or is it still meant to be indoors only?

Indoor only at the moment but also in crowded places outdoors too 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

3 hours ago, jonesy said:

More than 1.5B masks will pollute oceans this year: report (nypost.com)

 

No surprise here, long before covid there was already a huge problem in SE Asia with pollution from discarded facemasks & gloves which hadn't been dispossed of properly and ended up in the sea.

 

From an environmental point of view I was utterly dismayed when the wearing of facemasks became so widespread, simply because I knew what was going to happen and said as much on here about it.

 

I dread to think what it's like in the cities with discarded facemasks etc, because it's fecking disgusting out here in the country with discarded facemaks lying about the streets, I even had one in my garden the other day which I had to put in the bucket, far too many people are just lazy ignorant dirty barstewards.

 

Long long after Covid-19 has been consigned to history, the World will still be dealing with the effects of the pollution resulting from Covid-19.

[Costanza]

12 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

 

Yeh, probably (hopefully) more just administrative error/confusion. 👍

Doctors' Association weighing in on this now.

Can't see this story going away any time soon.

 

 

[CavySlaveJambo]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Flu can kill 20k in a bad year, despite vaccinations.

 
And for the gazillionth time Flu vaccinations are guesswork as to the strains circulating 

[Maroon Sailor]

3 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

 

https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/12943/east-craigs-to-become-city-s-first-low-traffic-neighbourhood

 

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council-set-back-down-controversial-edinburgh-neighbourhood-low-traffic-scheme-3031647

 

https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2020/10/low-traffic-neighbourhood-in-east-craigs-paused-for-consideration-of-legal-advice/

 

An attempt to shunt in major changes by the backdoor using Covid as a smokescreen by these clowns.  They backed down because they were overreaching in their powers.

 

 

 

Looks like they target areas that don't inconvenience anybody that make the decisions.

 

Absolute wallopers

[DETTY29]

11 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

 
And for the gazillionth time Flu vaccinations are guesswork as to the strains circulating 

If we didn't have flu vaccinations we may have decided by now to say feck it, it over-runs the Health Service, stay at home and die in 100s thousands each year.

 

And masks, cleaning and social distancing would be the daily norm, forever.

[Costanza]

9 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Well, they've made an arse of this, haven't they? Can't believe people have any faith in anything that comes out of either parliament, TBH. From lockdowns to vaccine rollouts, they're dangerously incompetent.

 

 

It brings me to mind of that line from the Thick of It. "From bean to cup, you **** up".

 

[Footballfirst]

Speaking of East Craigs, the neighbourhood of "East Craigs South" has had more cases an any other area of Edinburgh in the week ending 28 Decemeber, a total of 33 which is equivalent to a 7 day/100k rate of 623!

Edited December 31, 2020 by Footballfirst

[Harry Potter]

2 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

And yet they will be blaming the vehicles for air pollution in St John's Road.

 

Those left-wing car-hating nutjobs in the clowncil have been using Covid to force through a number of insane road measures in other areas like Ferry Road, and had to back down in making East Craigs a no-car zone when residents got lawyered up.

East Craigs was a crazy idea, the council would love a carless city, fools.

[Nucky Thompson]

10 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Speaking of East Craigs, the neighbourhood of "East Craigs South" has had more cases an any other area of Edinburgh in the week ending 28 Decemeber, a total of 33 which is equivalent to a 7 day/100k rate of 623!

There's been a few pupils from East Craig primary and one more from Craigmount High tested positive during the holidays.

My Mrs gets text alerts as my daughter goes to Craigmount 

[frankblack]

16 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Speaking of East Craigs, the neighbourhood of "East Craigs South" has had more cases an any other area of Edinburgh in the week ending 28 Decemeber, a total of 33 which is equivalent to a 7 day/100k rate of 623!

 

Not surprising from what I saw the other day at Bughtlin, with families from two entire streets sledging outside near the GP surgery, no social distancing or face masks, and 20+ people, adults and kids.

 

Completely ignorant bunch of halfwits.

[Doctor FinnBarr]

5 hours ago, TheOak88 said:

 

I think ultimately your employer is not under any legal, or contractual obligation to pay you for days you don’t work. Except in very clearly defined circumstances outlined in your contract (sick pay, annual leave, maternity leave etc). 

 

From that perspective it really is at the company’s discretion if they want to pay you for the time you were self isolating or not.

 

The fact they have not communicated this well to staff may give the union a bit of leverage to get them to do it as a good will gesture.  

 

Does that include my shift manager who was the first to isolate for 14 days and has took another 4 fortnights since?

[Enzo Chiefo]

53 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

 
And for the gazillionth time Flu vaccinations are guesswork as to the strains circulating 

Well not entirely,  our Antipodean cousins give us a good heads up on what is comin

[Nucky Thompson]

5 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

 

Does that include my shift manager who was the first to isolate for 14 days and has took another 4 fortnights since?

He'll probably be the first to get paid off when redundancies happen

[Governor Tarkin]

17 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Not surprising from what I saw the other day at Bughtlin, with families from two entire streets sledging outside near the GP surgery, no social distancing or face masks, and 20+ people, adults and kids.

 

 

The Braid Burn Valley was rammed yesterday morning too. Plenty of room for folk to keep apart though.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

13 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Well not entirely,  our Antipodean cousins give us a good heads up on what is comin

 

Yes, however every now and then mother nature decides to be a proper wee cow and chucks in the odd curve ball from time to time, no doubts to just remind us whose really in charge.

[Governor Tarkin]

1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

no doubts to just remind us whose really in charge.

 

Jim Jefferies?

[Samuel Camazzola]

1 hour ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Indoor only at the moment but also in crowded places outdoors too 

What outdoor places are crowded? What's the guidance for dogging? 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Jim Jefferies?

Vlad is still the boss is he not?

[redjambo]

19 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Well not entirely,  our Antipodean cousins give us a good heads up on what is comin

 

Indeed. It's a sort of educated guesswork.

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Indeed. It's a sort of educated guesswork.

👍

[OBE]

New covid strain numbers aligning to the predicted 70% increase in transmissions. The virus is prevailing under the SG's pre-emptive tighter restrictions. One day of human interaction and the virus gets an even bigger boner...

[Fxxx the SPFL]

i know that numbers are increasing sharply but just wondered if every positive test counts as one person as my inlaws are in a nursing home in edinburgh and have had three positive tests each in the last week so would that count as two each time in the daily total if thats the case then thats obviously skewing the figures slightly

[Footballfirst]

3 minutes ago, OBE said:

New covid strain numbers aligning to the predicted 70% increase in transmissions. The virus is prevailing under the SG's pre-emptive tighter restrictions. One day of human interaction and the virus gets an even bigger boner...

I don't think we have seen the Christmas Day spike come through in the figures yet.

 

UK figures still getting worse too 55892 cases 964 deaths

[Jambo-Jimbo]

11 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Jim Jefferies?

 

JJ is always the boss. 👍