Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Victorian]

London taxi driver spent 7 months in hospital with covid.  3 months in a coma.  Heart attack,  liver failure,  lung failure.  Family told three times to say their last goodbyes.  He was welcomed back by his neighbours recently.  Great stuff,  well done him and his family. 

 

[Samuel Camazzola]

4 hours ago, Irufushi said:

Seeing less and less folk bothering with them up here. 

Don't reveal your post code. The mask police will be heading up the A9 ASAP. 😄

[graygo]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Good to know I am not only one who believes that. As it stands, you can get bus to Musselburgh and have a pint, but not in Portobello. Seems ridiculous to me. Not sure what others think or believe. 

 

That's what having tiers gets you and it's either that or everything aligns with either the worst area or at best the average. Doesn't matter what they do some will miss out, or all will miss out. 

I wonder if the people living near the Portuguese border to Spain moan about similar things.

[the general]

Making it actually illegal to travel within Scotland and folk are sucking it up? Crazy crazy times

[Zico]

28 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

 

People are openly breaking guidelines, some are even proud of it, how a government can cope with that I don’t know. If the population at large don’t believe, or at least almost all of them, that their actions are causing people to die, then it’s hard to blame the government too much. 
 

A study I read in The Economist showed that compliance was very high across the UK but dropped off significantly after Dominic Cummings’ eye test fiasco. I expect the drop off in compliance was even more significant in Scotland after Margaret Ferrier’s virus-spreading, cross-country jaunt. The lack of contrition from both of them helping even less. 

[steve123]

Just now, the general said:

Making it actually illegal to travel within Scotland and folk are sucking it up? Crazy crazy times

This, illegal to travel and illegal to have people in your own home pandemic or not it is a farce and probably why alot of people are not sticking to it.

 

I have for the record stuck to the rules but feel a bit of a fool for doing it alot of broken promises, even to the point that she had to stand in parliament and promise these would only last 3 weeks as folk were not believing her on past perfromance. 

[SectionFJambo]

13 minutes ago, Victorian said:

London taxi driver spent 7 months in hospital with covid.  3 months in a coma.  Heart attack,  liver failure,  lung failure.  Family told three times to say their last goodbyes.  He was welcomed back by his neighbours recently.  Great stuff,  well done him and his family. 

 

 

What's the long term prognosis however. Might be alive now but will it be the same in 2 years time?

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, the general said:

Making it actually illegal to travel within Scotland and folk are sucking it up? Crazy crazy times

 

They're having to make laws because,  instead of people having the responsibility to live by the intended spirit of the measures,  too many are hell bent on getting away with the maximum they can despite the measures.  New laws are not the fault of anyone but the people who hinder the joint effort of the majority.  So if you need to ridicule anyone,  ridicule those who need to be legislated for.

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, SectionFJambo said:

 

What's the long term prognosis however. Might be alive now but will it be the same in 2 years time?

 

I hope he lives for many a year.  Who knows how long we'll all live.  A great tale of survival against the kitchen sink being thrown at him.  

[Malinga the Swinga]

5 minutes ago, the general said:

Making it actually illegal to travel within Scotland and folk are sucking it up? Crazy crazy times

Shocking decision but no surprise when power hungry politicians see an opportunity to tighten grip on society. Slowly but surely, freedoms being eradicated under pandemic excuse. 

Wonder if police will be patrolling Straiton? Can't spare officers for burglaries or theft but sure they will find some to do this. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Playing golf at Swanton will be interesting. Pretty sure some of the holes are in Midlothian and rest in Edinburgh. Also mens walks in Pentlands are cross tiered so those exercising better watch out. 

[steve123]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Shocking decision but no surprise when power hungry politicians see an opportunity to tighten grip on society. Slowly but surely, freedoms being eradicated under pandemic excuse. 

Wonder if police will be patrolling Straiton? Can't spare officers for burglaries or theft but sure they will find some to do this. 

The Police will be nowhere near it, between making sure you are not visiting your parents in their house to making sure you don't drive 5 miles up the road it is a farce.

 

I would imagine the police are pulling their hair out given the many pressures they are under.

[Governor Tarkin]

43 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Spewing 😁

 

Hiya Weakened.

Hiya pal. 🖐

[coconut doug]

28 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Your unswerving devotion to all things SNP is admirable but bereft of any credibility.  No, the Sick Kids is not open. Yet another revised opening date has been provided for January. Yes, my stat was tongue in cheek but it has cost millions to have it empty while maintaining the original hospital. Anybody defending the farcical project can only be doing so from an ideological standpoint.  There will now be 3 (THREE)  public inquiries into building and safety failures at new hospitals in Scotland. The inquiry you refer to , found that vulnerable patients were put at "unnecessary risk" due to safety and hygiene failures.

A spreadsheet error relating to the ventilation system at the new Sick Kids was not picked up in 7 years. That is beyond parody and a damning indictment about the SNP govt.  Yes, figures are available that confirm that infections are increasing within hospitals have been rising since September.  

Finally, have you any evidence that I am a Sun reader? I'm not. A fully paid up Times reader as it happens.  Please don't try to defend the indefensible. It aint a good look.

 

What's this? https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/new-sick-kids-edinburgh-opens-18631169

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Just now, steve123 said:

The Police will be nowhere near it, between making sure you are not visiting your parents in their house to making sure you don't drive 5 miles up the road it is a farce.

 

I would imagine the police are pulling their hair out given the many pressures they are under.

You could drive to Straiton on Friday and check it out! 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

They're having to make laws because,  instead of people having the responsibility to live by the intended spirit of the measures,  too many are hell bent on getting away with the maximum they can despite the measures.  New laws are not the fault of anyone but the people who hinder the joint effort of the majority.  So if you need to ridicule anyone,  ridicule those who need to be legislated for.

But making new laws does not solve the problem. Will closing hairdressers and shops selling vintage postage stamps make any difference? We all know the answer to that. People that are socialising in their own homes will continue to do so. That is outwith the remit of govt.  

She again trotted out her "nobody is to blame, this is a veeeery infectious virus" garbage on BBC just now. "Stubbornly high" is the new SPAD inspired buzz phrase that we now hear on a daily basis.  As if it's an inevitability and the virus is a thinking being.  She needs to forgot about next year's election and offending potential voters, acknowledge where it's really spreading and criticise the feckless minority that are responsible for the spread.

[steve123]

3 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

You could drive to Straiton on Friday and check it out! 

Na man, I have been waiting for this day to tell the wife it is against the law to go to Ikea.

 

I will however be going between Dunbar & Dalkeith from Edinburgh for child care reasons which I think is allowed but will be interesting to see if any questions are asked.

Edited November 17, 2020 by steve123

[JudyJudyJudy]

17 minutes ago, the general said:

Making it actually illegal to travel within Scotland and folk are sucking it up? Crazy crazy times

I know . I just cant believe that no one seems to be kicking up f&&& about this...

[Victorian]

Just now, Enzo Chiefo said:

But making new laws does not solve the problem. Will closing hairdressers and shops selling vintage postage stamps make any difference? We all know the answer to that. People that are socialising in their own homes will continue to do so. That is outwith the remit of govt.  

She again trotted out her "nobody is to blame, this is a veeeery infectious virus" garbage on BBC just now. "Stubbornly high" is the new SPAD inspired buzz phrase that we now hear on a daily basis.  As if it's an inevitability and the virus is a thinking being.  She needs to forgot about next year's election and offending potential voters, acknowledge where it's really spreading and criticise the feckless minority that are responsible for the spread.

 

The post you quoted was about travel between regions.  I assume you can see that.  Not sure what bearing your whataboutery has on that but rave on. 

[Don Dan]

17 minutes ago, the general said:

Making it actually illegal to travel within Scotland and folk are sucking it up? Crazy crazy times

Its not sitting comfortably with me. Yes we all need to stick to the tier system but making travel within your own country, Mmmm not sure.

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

What's this? https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/new-sick-kids-edinburgh-opens-18631169

 

An outpatient dept? Seriously CD, your defences of the SNP are admirable but ridiculous. It will be open in January when existing patients are transferred from Sciennes and all new patients are accepted.  Stop digging.

[Weakened Offender]

4 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

What's this? https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/new-sick-kids-edinburgh-opens-18631169

 

 

Enzo? 😁

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 minutes ago, SectionFJambo said:

 

What's the long term prognosis however. Might be alive now but will it be the same in 2 years time?

You can say that about anyone !

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

What's this? https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/new-sick-kids-edinburgh-opens-18631169

 

Come on man. A few outpatients departments open doesn't cut it 

[coconut doug]

Just now, Nucky Thompson said:

Come on man. A few outpatients departments open doesn't cut it 

 

Far from ideal but it's not lying empty and unused as was the claim.

[GinRummy]

19 minutes ago, the general said:

Making it actually illegal to travel within Scotland and folk are sucking it up? Crazy crazy times

It’s not a full travel ban. You can still travel into different areas for a variety of reasons -work (if you can not work from home), co-parenting, healthcare, essential shopping and even recycling (if it is not available in your area).

 

Not negating your point, just worth mentioning. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, weehammy said:

No. They’re making laws because Sturgeon’s instincts and those of the SNP government are authoritarian. 
Minimum alcohol pricing

Named person scheme

Sectarian behaviour at football

Smacking ban

Hate speech legislation

etc.

Setting aside the merits or otherwise of each of the above the evidence is pretty clear that they are comfortable with telling us what to do. It’s their way.

 

 

 

They have also tried to get rid of two of the corner stones of the legal system.  The controversial " Not proven" verdict and the " corroboration " aspect of criminal indictments. 

[Victorian]

Just now, weehammy said:

No. They’re making laws because Sturgeon’s instincts and those of the SNP government are authoritarian. 
Minimum alcohol pricing

Named person scheme

Sectarian behaviour at football

Smacking ban

Hate speech legislation

etc.

Setting aside the merits or otherwise of each of the above the evidence is pretty clear that they are comfortable with telling us what to do. It’s their way.

 

 

 

 

Nonsense.  

 

Sturgeon just wants to prevent folk moving around the country.  Just to be authoritarian.  Jesus Christ!

[Weakened Offender]

3 minutes ago, weehammy said:

No. They’re making laws because Sturgeon’s instincts and those of the SNP government are authoritarian. 
Minimum alcohol pricing

Named person scheme

Sectarian behaviour at football

Smacking ban

Hate speech legislation

etc.

Setting aside the merits or otherwise of each of the above the evidence is pretty clear that they are comfortable with telling us what to do. It’s their way.

 

 

 

 

Laws against assaulting children are bad? 

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

They have also tried to get rid of two of the corner stones of the legal system.  The controversial " Not proven" verdict and the " corroboration " aspect of criminal indictments. 

Not proven has always been a strange verdict imo.  If you are innocent until proven guilty then if they can’t prove you guilty you should be declared not guilty.  It’s just odd. 

Edited November 17, 2020 by GinRummy

[coconut doug]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Good to know I am not only one who believes that. As it stands, you can get bus to Musselburgh and have a pint, but not in Portobello. Seems ridiculous to me. Not sure what others think or believe. 

 

This is what happens when you make borders. Different things happen on each side. You are not allowed to cross from one tier to another though without good reason though so as it stands you can't get a pint in Musselburgh or Porty without breaking the law/guidelines. Perfectly logical if you ask me.

[Nucky Thompson]

2 minutes ago, weehammy said:

No. They’re making laws because Sturgeon’s instincts and those of the SNP government are authoritarian. 
Minimum alcohol pricing

Named person scheme

Sectarian behaviour at football

Smacking ban

Hate speech legislation

etc.

Setting aside the merits or otherwise of each of the above the evidence is pretty clear that they are comfortable with telling us what to do. It’s their way.

 

 

 

 Banning multi-buys on alcohol was a bugger.

Fecked up all those Thursday night, pay one price, drink as much as you want  

[Victorian]

Individual actions carry merit but when grouped together it's authoritarianism.  Lordy.

 

Help.

[Des Lynam]

 

3 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Laws against assaulting children are bad? 

Exemption for your parents. 

[Governor Tarkin]

3 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Laws against assaulting children are bad? 

 

Well it never did you any harm.

[graygo]

Just now, Brian Dundas said:

There were 244 Covid deaths in the  last week, 363 I think was the highest 7 day total in the first wave. If we had continued with the measures that were in place at the start of September we would be in a position twice what wave one was. These measures are about saving lives, even fragile ones, it is what the NHS does. 
 

So travel restrictions and household visit restrictions are put into law to test and make people comply with them. You only need to look on here to see people see a difference between guidelines and legal requirements. 
 

So people are understanding why the restrictions are required, it’s not just for stopping people having a life. 

 

You and few others have just made that up and presented it as fact. Nobody knows where we would be.

[Malinga the Swinga]

4 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

This is what happens when you make borders. Different things happen on each side. You are not allowed to cross from one tier to another though without good reason though so as it stands you can't get a pint in Musselburgh or Porty without breaking the law/guidelines. Perfectly logical if you ask me.

Luckily I didn't ask you. If I wanted to hear SNP policy, would tune into daily party political broadcast. Don't do that either. 

[Weakened Offender]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Well it never did you any harm.

 

Didn't happen, my parents weren't pondlife. ❤️

[redjambo]

I don't know if anyone has posted the link, but here's the rationale behind today's tier placement decisions:

 

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-allocation-of-levels-to-local-authorities-17-november-2020/

Edited November 17, 2020 by redjambo

[coconut doug]

12 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

An outpatient dept? Seriously CD, your defences of the SNP are admirable but ridiculous. It will be open in January when existing patients are transferred from Sciennes and all new patients are accepted.  Stop digging.

It's not just an outpatients department and even if it were, so what? You said it was empty and not being used, it is being used. You are wrong. Here's what one of their own had to say. 

Dr Edward Doyle, Associate Divisional Medical Director, Women’s and Children’s Services, NHS Lothian said, “The Royal Hospital for Children and Young people is such a fantastic facility for patients, their families and our staff. I know how much this move means to my colleagues, so it is wonderful to see the first clinical teams unpacking and settling in to their new home ahead of welcoming their first patients.

 

Looks like the transition is underway. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

You and few others have just made that up and presented it as fact. Nobody knows where we would be.

Almost the same as Whitty and Valance using graph that was shown to be complete and utter bollocks a week or so ago. Scaremongering of highest order. 

[OBE]

21 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Playing golf at Swanton will be interesting. Pretty sure some of the holes are in Midlothian and rest in Edinburgh. Also mens walks in Pentlands are cross tiered so those exercising better watch out. 

 

Courses that straddle two council regions can be played.

[Nucky Thompson]

So travel for essential shopping 'only where it's not possible in your local authority area'

 

I don't have an IKEA or Costco in my local authority area so I'll be travelling for my essential shopping

[coconut doug]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Luckily I didn't ask you. If I wanted to hear SNP policy, would tune into daily party political broadcast. Don't do that either. 

 

Probably best if you don't pitch up in Musselburgh looking for a pint either. You wont get one due to SNP policy.

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

So travel for essential shopping 'only where it's not possible in your local authority area'

 

I don't have an IKEA or Costco in my local authority area so I'll be travelling for my essential shopping

Building IKEA furniture is only essential of you’re a masochist. 

[Herbert.]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

So travel for essential shopping 'only where it's not possible in your local authority area'

 

I don't have an IKEA or Costco in my local authority area so I'll be travelling for my essential shopping

 

 

I was thinking about going to costco, The meatball pasta bake is fantastic.

[Malinga the Swinga]

17 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

An outpatient dept? Seriously CD, your defences of the SNP are admirable but ridiculous. It will be open in January when existing patients are transferred from Sciennes and all new patients are accepted.  Stop digging.

There have been staff wandering around the empty hospital for ages. It's been a disaster from the start but we should now just forget the, wastes millions because SNP say so. 

In the world of the fanatics, SNP are untouchable. 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

So travel for essential shopping 'only where it's not possible in your local authority area'

 

I don't have an IKEA or Costco in my local authority area so I'll be travelling for my essential shopping

 

Well done.  You have identified the type of inconsequential infraction of the law that will never be policed,  prosecuted or an arse bothered about.  We all know the specific nature of inter-regional travel that legislation is being created for.  

 

You should continue your illicit travel and sleep quite soundly.  

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Not proven has always been a strange verdict imo.  If you are innocent until proven guilty then if they can’t prove you guilty you should be declared not guilty.  It’s just odd. 

Yes it is but it kinda says what it means on the tin really ! It was called “ that ******* verdict “. I watched a documentary about Madeline Smith who famously was found “

not proven “ of murdering her lover in mid 19th century Glasgow . Fascinating stuff 

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 minute ago, coconut doug said:

It's not just an outpatients department and even if it were, so what? You said it was empty and not being used, it is being used. You are wrong. Here's what one of their own had to say. 

Dr Edward Doyle, Associate Divisional Medical Director, Women’s and Children’s Services, NHS Lothian said, “The Royal Hospital for Children and Young people is such a fantastic facility for patients, their families and our staff. I know how much this move means to my colleagues, so it is wonderful to see the first clinical teams unpacking and settling in to their new home ahead of welcoming their first patients.

 

Looks like the transition is underway. 

Oh FFS you're hard work. I'm trying really hard not to assist your self-ridiculing agenda. I guess the key point in yet another desperate link is "ahead of welcoming their first patients". So, we've got a hospital with faulty ventilation,  not suitable for surgery but with an outpatient dept and clinical staff who are unpacking ? All this after years of delay. Stick it in your manifesto next year. It's a winner. For the final time,it opens in January. Unless you know better? Is it accepting in-patients and emergency admissions?? Kinda integral for a hospital that's open, I would suggest.