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We get people asking the redundant question about getting a small discount for cash payment.   They don't know it costs just as much to bank cash as the card fees.    Mind you,  some people make making a card reader payment look like trying to do a Rubik's cube.   Card in the wrong way,  card not fully in,  big sausage fingers not keying the numbers,  keying all the numbers at once.   An alarming number of people try to make 'not present' payments over the phone while sitting in complete darkness.   "Hang on,  I'll have to open the curtains". 

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Nucky Thompson
6 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

 Good for you for keeping up the use of cash.

Most of my customers are elderly and cash is the only way they like to pay

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If a vaccine becomes available those who have taken it shouldn't be bothered about those who haven't, what's the problem?  You can't catch it because you are now immune and it's their problem if they do.  

 

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1 minute ago, Auldbenches said:

If a vaccine becomes available those who have taken it shouldn't be bothered about those who haven't, what's the problem?  You can't catch it because you are now immune and it's their problem if they do.  

 

 

Perhaps some people care not only about their own health but also about the health of society as a whole. Vaccines only work to suppress a virus where there is sufficient take-up within a population. Not only that, but the longer a virus remains out in the wild, the more chance it has to mutate.

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1 minute ago, Auldbenches said:

If a vaccine becomes available those who have taken it shouldn't be bothered about those who haven't, what's the problem?  You can't catch it because you are now immune and it's their problem if they do.  

 

 

Not correct.   Or not necessarily.

 

This will be highly unlikely to be a long duration immunity.   It's been strongly suggested that it will need a seasonal vaccination similar to the flu jab.    Very high take up of the vaccine will combine with infection obtained immunity and natural immune system protection to build up the maximum level of population immunity.    The nearer it can be forced to virtual eradication the better.    Fewer immune people = greater chance of virus surviving.

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heartstastic
31 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

It's 74 pages long you've not even read it.

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1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Perhaps some people care not only about their own health but also about the health of society as a whole. Vaccines only work to suppress a virus where there is sufficient take-up within a population. Not only that, but the longer a virus remains out in the wild, the more chance it has to mutate.

I completely understand that and the impact it could have in the health service.  Though from a the personal point of catching it, it doesn't matter. 

Though I hadn't taken into account your point about the virus mutating.   

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1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

Not correct.   Or not necessarily.

 

This will be highly unlikely to be a long duration immunity.   It's been strongly suggested that it will need a seasonal vaccination similar to the flu jab.    Very high take up of the vaccine will combine with infection obtained immunity and natural immune system protection to build up the maximum level of population immunity.    The nearer it can be forced to virtual eradication the better.    Fewer immune people = greater chance of virus surviving.

I see what you mean.  I just thought from the personal perspective of catching it.  I think I'd take a vaccine if it isn't too rushed in getting it developed.  

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heartstastic
35 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

:olly:

Again not even read the document...instead try to attack the messenger...i can see through your posting that your quite a weak willed character so no suprise there.

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Just now, Auldbenches said:

I completely understand that and the impact it could have in the health service.  Though from a the personal point of catching it, it doesn't matter. 

Though I hadn't taken into account your point about the virus mutating.   

 

The other issue is that no vaccine is 100% effective. For whatever reason, it simply won't work on some people. So those people are dependent on the vaccination process eliminating the virus in the general population as much as possible.

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20 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

One of conspiracy theories I've never saw much on here is the how convenient it is for the Government to try and make it a cash free society.

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I make sure I use cash as much as I can.

Some woman at Haggerston Castle was going ape shit because they posted that one of the venues was only excepting cash as the card reader wasn't working. They were allegedly putting their staff and customers at risk :lol:

The cashless society is a conspiracy that's been doing the rounds for a while. As far as conspiracy theories go it has some mileage.

Imagine a world where there are no drug deals, no cash in hand jobs, no giving your kids a wee hand-out without it being logged, the black market basically disappears. There are many other instances. Every single penny you receive or spend is accountable and can't be hidden.

 

I don't think there are many governments that wouldn't be for this.

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1 minute ago, heartstastic said:

Again not even read the document...instead try to attack the messenger...i can see through your posting that your quite a weak willed character so no suprise there.

 

:kirk:

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2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

The other issue is that no vaccine is 100% effective. For whatever reason, it simply won't work on some people. So those people are dependent on the vaccination process eliminating the virus in the general population as much as possible.

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Just now, Auldbenches said:

I see what you mean.  I just thought from the personal perspective of catching it.  I think I'd take a vaccine if it isn't too rushed in getting it developed.  

 

The scientific data from candidate vaccine trials plus community surveillance will soon enough start to show how persistent immunity will be.   Be that infection obtained protection or via vaccination.    They do seem to suggest it will be short lived and similar to flu jab protection,  which is about 3 or 4 months.    Maximum retention of population immunity will be important.

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Just now, Victorian said:

 

The scientific data from candidate vaccine trials plus community surveillance will soon enough start to show how persistent immunity will be.   Be that infection obtained protection or via vaccination.    They do seem to suggest it will be short lived and similar to flu jab protection,  which is about 3 or 4 months.    Maximum retention of population immunity will be important.

I read that a couple of months ago about it lasted sort to medium term and that we will have to prioritise who first gets access to it.   Do you think that's what's going to happen long term?  Once a vaccine is established covid will just become like the flu?  

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2 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

The cashless society is a conspiracy that's been doing the rounds for a while. As far as conspiracy theories go it has some mileage.

Imagine a world where there are no drug deals, no cash in hand jobs, no giving your kids a wee hand-out without it being logged, the black market basically disappears. There are many other instances. Every single penny you receive or spend is accountable and can't be hidden.

 

I don't think there are many governments that wouldn't be for this.

 

At some point in the future, there will effectively be a cashless society in general, but anything "under the radar" or black market will simply use barter or the use of some substitute currency (gold, jewellery, an old currency, drugs, etc.). And of course cryptocurrencies... Humans are resourceful.

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heartstastic
46 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

:olly:

Mass vaccinations and control....nah defo not a thing. posted this earlier but just incase you missed it...just for you.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

At some point in the future, there will effectively be a cashless society in general, but anything "under the radar" or black market will simply use barter or the use of some substitute currency (gold, jewellery, an old currency, drugs, etc.). And of course cryptocurrencies... Humans are resourceful.

Wee Johnny from the estate who knocks out £300 of weed a week will not survive though unless he takes payment in bog rolls or baked beans.

And there are millions of these guys word wide. The big crime syndicates will find a work around eventually but will be much harder to hide.

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Just now, Auldbenches said:

I read that a couple of months ago about it lasted sort to medium term and that we will have to prioritise who first gets access to it.   Do you think that's what's going to happen long term?  Once a vaccine is established covid will just become like the flu?  

 

It's been suggested as such and other coronaviruses still exist,  albeit there's never been a vaccine for them.    It would take an almighty global effort to achieve eradication.   Impossible really.   We'll just need to hope that there's the same ability to identify and select a decent guess seasonal upgrade similar to the flu.    Looks the the global vaccine production industry will require significant growth.

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doctor jambo
1 hour ago, Costanza said:

Personally I think Long Covid will mean mass vaccination across the age groups.

Suspect that will be a long number of months away, in order to pass the clinical trials and also ensure all the doctors and virulogists are fully on board with the New World Order plans.

1-Speed a vaccine through trials on healthy volunteers.

2- first to get vaccines are the high risk groups- could be done in a week, for whom no safety data is available

3-  suddenly there is no need to worry about anyone at risk anymore🥺

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2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

It's been suggested as such and other coronaviruses still exist,  albeit there's never been a vaccine for them.    It would take an almighty global effort to achieve eradication.   Impossible really.   We'll just need to hope that there's the same ability to identify and select a decent guess seasonal upgrade similar to the flu.    Looks the the global vaccine production industry will require significant growth.

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heartstastic
2 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

:facepalm: 

Hey everyone Ray Gin has succesfully debunked actual data from Doctors, medical professionals and even the main stream media and investigators with an emoticon...thank god for that guy.

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Francis Albert
16 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

The cashless society is a conspiracy that's been doing the rounds for a while. As far as conspiracy theories go it has some mileage.

Imagine a world where there are no drug deals, no cash in hand jobs, no giving your kids a wee hand-out without it being logged, the black market basically disappears. There are many other instances. Every single penny you receive or spend is accountable and can't be hidden.

 

I don't think there are many governments that wouldn't be for this.

You mean people would have to comply with the law? Or it would make it a lot more difficult not to? 

Quite a few posters on here would presumably enthusiastically welcome that.

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Ron Burgundy
Just now, Lord BJ said:


You might find Johnny from estate has already gone electronic, if he’s under the age of 40. You’ll be surprised the level of sophistication even the lowest level of drug dealer have. 
 

Cash is pretty much a older person thing, the youngsters seem to have mastered how to commit crimes in electronic age. You can buy things like weed pretty easily on the likes of Instagram if you were so motivated. 

 

There is obviously huge benefits for govts if cashless society and the crisis will no doubt accelerate that trend.
 

And how exactly do you do that by avoiding detection?

 

Asking for a friend.

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doctor jambo
3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

If HIV started at this time we'd all have our knackers chopped off or sewn up.

Hard to catch HIV from 2 metres away right enough, and anyone capable would be the last person you’d want to catch it from- you’d look like a starfish that had been struck with a hammer

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1 minute ago, heartstastic said:

Hey everyone Ray Gin has succesfully debunked actual data from Doctors, medical professionals and even the main stream media and investigators with an emoticon...thank god for that guy.

 

:cornette: 

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30 minutes ago, heartstastic said:

It's 74 pages long you've not even read it.


No the link you posted was enough for me to form an opinion. I only looked at the first few pages. 
 

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Fxxx the SPFL
1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

Show me something, anything that would indicate this isn't just doomsday, conspiracy bollocks. 

really a city of ten million and no local lockdowns or am i missing something, obviously all Londoners are behaving themselves.

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Francis Albert
54 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

One of conspiracy theories I've never saw much on here is the how convenient it is for the Government to try and make it a cash free society.

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I make sure I use cash as much as I can.

Some woman at Haggerston Castle was going ape shit because they posted that one of the venues was only excepting cash as the card reader wasn't working. They were allegedly putting their staff and customers at risk :lol:

Surely limiting the circulation of coins and notes handled by the public is a good thing and contactless payment in particular seems one of the more obviously beneficial and  less onerous impositions Covid has brought us. 

 

 

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Just now, heartstastic said:

😆


Sorry I edited my post. 
 

To be clear this virus is very contagious and does kill people especially vulnerable people. I’ve also just seen another out break down south in a meat factory reported on Sky News.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-outbreak-cornwall-meat-factory-a4560396.html


Given a chance the virus will run amok. 

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Konrad von Carstein
1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

Scottish Whatabootery, the National Excuse for supporting the Party who supported the National Socialist Party.

Could you provide an unbiased proven source which supports this rather fantastical accusation?

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25 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:


Sorry I edited my post. 
 

To be clear this virus is very contagious and does kill people especially vulnerable people. I’ve also just seen another out break down south in a meat factory reported on Sky News.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-outbreak-cornwall-meat-factory-a4560396.html


Given a chance the virus will run amok. 

And, like the majority of other "outbreaks" we hear about, nobody has any symptoms.  If that is "running amok" then so  be it. Seems clear that the much talked about natural immunity that large swathes of the population may have, due to previous Coronavirus exposures, is starting to kick in. That's what will get us out of this albeit to the chagrin of the big pharma companies and the WHO.

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5 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

There is nothing around the corner.

Even  a great vaccine is only going to be 60 % effective, if and when it arrives- adn I suspect that will be months and months away.

 

This shambles is utterly incoherent.

Nicola looks like she is about to crack, though I suspect hiding all the documentation about salmond that mentions either her, or her husband is pretty time consuming.

Leitch as well appears to be losing the plot and now seems to be rambling about this is all not going away and what you are doing is not a solution, and this virus is never going away, never, no matter what, but we're going to continue with wrecking things anyway as we dont have the wit to come up with an alternative

 

A flu vaccine isn't 100% effective either, but there are treatments to manage the rest.  I'd see the same with a Covid vaccine.

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maroonlegions
11 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Could have a legit exemption. Mask-shaming should become a hate crime.

Could have but he aint.

 

And it's not the first time this **** has been caught flouting COVID restrictions and laws. Remember  him fecking off to Greece when everyone else was in lockdown.

 

He is the one stirring up hate   and is the one  who is acting out the crime.

 

 

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Jambo 4 Ever
19 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Could have a legit exemption. Mask-shaming should become a hate crime.

Can be done politely 

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Nucky Thompson

6914 new positive results in the UK out of 255,915 processed tests

59 deaths in all settings

2276 in hospital with 332 of those in ICU

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17 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

And, like the majority of other "outbreaks" we hear about, nobody has any symptoms.  If that is "running amok" then so  be it. Seems clear that the much talked about natural immunity that large swathes of the population may have, due to previous Coronavirus exposures, is starting to kick in. That's what will get us out of this albeit to the chagrin of the big pharma companies and the WHO.


Yes a lot don’t have symptoms but they could well pass it on to the vulnerable in our society. Your are speaking about herd immunity which will wipe out loads of frail and vulnerable people.
Have you any proof that swathes of the population may have natural immunity from a previous coronavirus that is not SARS-CoV-2. Have you any proof the immunity can be obtained from another Coronavirus? 
 

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Nucky Thompson
6 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:


Yes a lot don’t have symptoms but they could well pass it on to the vulnerable in our society. Your are speaking about herd immunity which will wipe out loads of frail and vulnerable people.
Have you any proof that swathes of the population may have natural immunity from a previous coronavirus that is not SARS-CoV-2. Have you any proof the immunity can be obtained from another Coronavirus? 
 

T-cells may give immunity

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563#:~:text=Investigating close family members of,90% had T cell responses.

 

 

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Francis Albert
1 hour ago, **** the SPFL said:

really a city of ten million and no local lockdowns or am i missing something, obviously all Londoners are behaving themselves.

About the same level of behaving themselves as anywhere else as far as I have seen.  Maybe the answer is that "behaving yourself" is not as big a factor as the propaganda suggests. 

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