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2 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

If you are going to the pub you cant be that worried about the lack of face masks on the bus.

 

I don't have randoms anywhere near as close.  Table has separators too.

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12 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

If you are going to the pub you cant be that worried about the lack of face masks on the bus.

 

Why? A properly organised pub is safe enough to visit.

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1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

Exciting news for some. U.K. govt considering setting up a grass line in relation to COVID breaches. 
 

Ahh what an age to be alive. 

Sad. Sad. Sad! 😂 

 

If this was in place months ago, folk would be phoning up moaning how the folk in number 5 weren't out clapping for carers one Thursday. 

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39 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

What is rubbish about it ?

 

He had to be told off / corrected by his boss..fact

 

He looks on the bright side and whilst he is entitled to think that way the facts are not backing him up.....I'd rather he kept his thoughts to himself and publicly made factual statements not if buts and maybes to make us feel good

 

An opinion is not fact  and you can certainly differ from mine re his actions and pronouncements

 He is doing a fantastic job. Nobody (except you) doesn’t understand the points he is putting across. He is miles better the previous woman who was in the job before she got the heave. 
Who would you suggest would be a better qualified person to do the job? 
 

He is handing this new pandemic and virus very well considering the science and knowledge about it changes daily. He is in contact with others around the world where they exchange new found knowledge, methods, treatments and what not to do with this new disease. As for your ifs, buts and maybes, everyone is on a learning curve in getting to grips with this and it will take time to be much more confident and exact in the statements and advice you make and give. 
He is also well respected around the world in regards to the work he does. 
 

As you say option is not fact but he has the credibility and credentials behind him to make him the best person for the job. IMO 

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17 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

All the face nappy law has done is allow this sort of nonsense. 

 

 

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Louis Vuitton is launching a luxury face shield that provides a fashionable alternative to the traditional utilitarian form of Personal Protective Equipment (PPE).

The LV Shield, as it’s been called, can double up as a cap and costs £750.

 


All very well but you still need a mask on underneath a visor. 

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4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

 He is doing a fantastic job. Nobody (except you) doesn’t understand the points he is putting across. He is miles better the previous woman wha was in the job before she got the heave. 
Who would you suggest would be a better qualified person to do the job? 
 

He is handing this new pandemic and virus very well considering the science and knowledge about it changes daily. He is in contact with others around the world where they exchange new found knowledge, methods, treatments and what not to do with this new disease. As for your ifs, buts and maybes, everyone is on a learning curve in getting to grips with this and it will take time to be much more confident and exact in the statements and advice you make and give. 
He is also well respected around the world in regards to the work he does. 
 

As you say option is not fact but he has the credibility and credentials behind him to make him the best person for the job. 

You're getting Jason Leitch mixed up with Gregor Smith who took over as chief medical officer after Catherine Calderwood was punted

Jason Leitch is the National clinical director for the Scottish Government

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On 09/09/2020 at 14:15, Samuel Camazzola said:

Have you put it into practice to see if the principle works? Try it. 

With the pish you talk, we have the perfect example. 

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14 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

 He is doing a fantastic job. Nobody (except you) doesn’t understand the points he is putting across. He is miles better the previous woman who was in the job before she got the heave. 
Who would you suggest would be a better qualified person to do the job? 
 

He is handing this new pandemic and virus very well considering the science and knowledge about it changes daily. He is in contact with others around the world where they exchange new found knowledge, methods, treatments and what not to do with this new disease. As for your ifs, buts and maybes, everyone is on a learning curve in getting to grips with this and it will take time to be much more confident and exact in the statements and advice you make and give. 
He is also well respected around the world in regards to the work he does. 
 

As you say option is not fact but he has the credibility and credentials behind him to make him the best person for the job. IMO 

I like how he described the test as "a bit rubbish " but is still happy to use its results to wreck businesses and peoples quality of life.

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Just now, Back to 2005 said:

I like how he described the test as "a bit rubbish " but is still happy to use its results to wreck businesses and peoples quality of life.


Sadly that’s the only test we have at the moment. It’s better than nothing though.

The bit rubbish comment refers to the fact that it can pick up the fact that it’s Covid19 from the genetic make of the virus but as yet can’t differentiate between dead and live virus. It’s something they are working on as we speak. 

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7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

You're getting Jason Leitch mixed up with Gregor Smith who took over as chief medical officer after Catherine Calderwood was punted

Jason Leitch is the National clinical director for the Scottish Government


Ah sorry my mistake. 

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2 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

It takes a special type of ignorance to spout this nonsense.    A strategy of personal choice does not deal with spread of infection.   People can make their own choices to risk being infected.   They cannot choose to not infect.    A consequence of a personal choice strategy is that you deny people the choice of limiting their risk.   You risk even more businesses going bust.   You risk even more jobs being lost.   You risk even more lives from non covid illnesses.

 

Rancid ignorance and stupidity.

You don’t though .

if you stay in, get your food delivered, and social distance you should be fine.

take the decision not to see young family members 

take responsibility for your own safety.

 

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The First Minister took to Twitter today to plead with Scots to 'keep coronavirus under control' as cases of the virus continue to rise "across the UK and Europe." 

It comes as a further 221 cases were confirmed across Scotland on 12 September, with 35 of these in Edinburgh and the Lothians.

Nicola Sturgeon warned that COVID "cases are rising fastest in the central belt' and cautioned Scots to "be extra vigilant" if they live in those areas. 

It comes as a new rule was introduced that comes into effect in Scotland from Monday which will ban social gatherings of more than six people both indoors and outdoors.

 

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/nicola-sturgeon-issues-stark-central-18923697

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No, it's not over. We appear to have the deaths under control, so far, but allow the virus to cut loose and the deaths will mount again.

 

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12 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

You don’t though .

if you stay in, get your food delivered, and social distance you should be fine.

take the decision not to see young family members 

take responsibility for your own safety.

 

 

Well that just seems to be imposing those sort of terms on people for the sake of others being allowed to do as they please.    You're ignoring that lots of people are content to go about their daily routines within the restrictions and are relatively safe.   Allow virtual freedom of choice and virus in general circulation becomes much more widespread.   Suddenly,   previously comfortable people are exposed to much higher risk against their choices.    You risk another lockdown.   Economy.   Jobs.   Households.   NHS not able to recover on dealing with all the other illnesses that were neglected.

 

There are no magic solutions to provide choice to one group of people,  without it affecting other people.     

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7 minutes ago, redjambo said:

No, it's not over. We appear to have the deaths under control, so far, but allow the virus to cut loose and the deaths will mount again.

 

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No sign of it so far. Your graph confirms a rise in infections going back 6 weeks or so but no impact on the deaths figure.

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1 minute ago, Back to 2005 said:

No sign of it so far. Your graph confirms a rise in infections going back 6 weeks or so but no impact on the deaths figure.

 

Yes, and that's good. Let the R number rise too far though and deaths are inevitable.

 

The key point though is that, contrary to your claim, the pandemic is most certainly not over. It is less lethal in the UK at the moment because older folk and those with underlying medical conditions are keeping themselves safer, because we know better how to treat Covid and its symptoms, because contact tracing is in operation, and because hospitals are far more able to cope than they were before. Probably other reasons as well, such as better management in care homes.

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The Netherlands are getting higher infection rates now than they did back at the start, averaging 1200 new cases a day. 1 new death today, 3 yesterday and 2 the day before

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1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes, and that's good. Let the R number rise too far though and deaths are inevitable.

 

The key point though is that, contrary to your claim, the pandemic is most certainly not over. It is less lethal in the UK at the moment because older folk and those with underlying medical conditions are keeping themselves safer, because we know better how to treat Covid and its symptoms, because contact tracing is in operation, and because hospitals are far more able to cope than they were before. Probably other reasons as well, such as better management in care homes.

 

Correct.   That's why it's crucial to see how the current infections affect those who become the next couple of links in the chain.   Who will that be?  Parents,   other relatives,  work colleagues,  etc etc.     Will the next couple of links in the chain be susceptible to severe illness?   We do not know yet.

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9 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes, and that's good. Let the R number rise too far though and deaths are inevitable.

 

The key point though is that, contrary to your claim, the pandemic is most certainly not over. It is less lethal in the UK at the moment because older folk and those with underlying medical conditions are keeping themselves safer, because we know better how to treat Covid and its symptoms, because contact tracing is in operation, and because hospitals are far more able to cope than they were before. Probably other reasons as well, such as better management in care homes.

I though shielding had finished? Maybe the virus has weakened. It seems however to be following the path of previous SARS viruses. 

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7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Correct.   That's why it's crucial to see how the current infections affect those who become the next couple of links in the chain.   Who will that be?  Parents,   other relatives,  work colleagues,  etc etc.     Will the next couple of links in the chain be susceptible to severe illness?   We do not know yet.

The R rate is not the reliable gauge though is it. Only takes something like a local outbreak of cases and it shoots up.

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4 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

The R rate is not the reliable gauge though is it. Only takes something like a local outbreak of cases and it shoots up.

 

Never mentioned the R rate.    It only takes R to creep a fraction above 1.0 for the infections to keep rising.   It's who's being infected that is crucial to examine to see if there is any good or bad news to see in future hospital and death figures.    

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On 11/09/2020 at 13:13, Ron Burgundy said:

Quite a few twits in Hamilton it would seem.

I’m guessing it was Ormiston mate 

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2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Never mentioned the R rate.    It only takes R to creep a fraction above 1.0 for the infections to keep rising.   It's who's being infected that is crucial to examine to see if there is any good or bad news to see in future hospital and death figures.    

 

Precisely.  The conclusion shopping by the covidiots is truly desperate.

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9 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

I though shielding had finished? Maybe the virus has weakened. It seems however to be following the path of previous SARS viruses. 

 

Shielding may have finished but those who were shielded, as well as those who are aged or have underlying conditions and whom weren't officially shielded, are I imagine being far more careful now to socially distance and take precautions not to be infected.

 

I don't think there is any evidence that the virus has weakened (I assume you mean in its payload rather than its transmissibility). What is happening though, for example, is that we're detecting Covid far earlier in folk, getting them treated before it really takes hold. Don't get me wrong though -  I'd love to see a mutation with a less potent payload take hold.

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Deaths are down. The most vulnerable who contracted covid-19 have died.

MANY people that caught covid-19 and did not die did not make a full recovery.

They have been left with permanent internal organ damage.

 

Just because deaths are negligible does not mean covid-19 is not a serious threat to the ongoing health of the nation.

Hundreds of thousands of people are going to have lifelong chronic conditions due to this virus.

Many more than that if we let it run riot.

Cases are rocketing upwards.

 

That's why lockdowns are being reimposed.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, CJGJ said:

What is rubbish about it ?

 

He had to be told off / corrected by his boss..fact

 

He looks on the bright side and whilst he is entitled to think that way the facts are not backing him up.....I'd rather he kept his thoughts to himself and publicly made factual statements not if buts and maybes to make us feel good

 

An opinion is not fact  and you can certainly differ from mine re his actions and pronouncements

Where’s your evidence?

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Just now, frankblack said:

 

Precisely.  The conclusion shopping by the covidiots is truly desperate.

 

It's all about the ability to keep an open mind.    Closing your mind to stuff that doesn't suit your preferred reality will always lead to premature conclusions and confusion.    I don't know what makes people place those limitation on themselves.

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16 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

I though shielding had finished? Maybe the virus has weakened. It seems however to be following the path of previous SARS viruses. 

It’s just “paused” so it might restart again soon

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1 minute ago, jack D and coke said:

:facepalm:

 

Why the face? The figures *aren't* particularly good. The local restrictions don't appear to be having the desired effect yet - we want to see the infections coming down, not going up.

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1 hour ago, redjambo said:

 

Why? A properly organised pub is safe enough to visit.

I’ve said it in earlier posts that my local’s protocol is excellent.

Enjoyable and relaxing.

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15 minutes ago, Natural Orders said:

It’s just “paused” so it might restart again soon

Maybe. As it stands it's just more people getting a positive test from an unreliable testing system. 

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54 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Why the face? The figures *aren't* particularly good. The local restrictions don't appear to be having the desired effect yet - we want to see the infections coming down, not going up.

Cos it’s that 🤡

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1 hour ago, Cade said:

Deaths are down. The most vulnerable who contracted covid-19 have died.

MANY people that caught covid-19 and did not die did not make a full recovery.

They have been left with permanent internal organ damage.

 

Just because deaths are negligible does not mean covid-19 is not a serious threat to the ongoing health of the nation.

Hundreds of thousands of people are going to have lifelong chronic conditions due to this virus.

Many more than that if we let it run riot.

Cases are rocketing upwards.

 

That's why lockdowns are being reimposed.

 

 

 

 

I have seen this about serious lifelong chronic conditions and permanent organ damage without seeing any figures. Where is the evidence that this is so serious and that it is worse for example than the deaths and permanent damage from the many illnesses not being treated as a result of the reaction to Covid?

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1 hour ago, Back to 2005 said:

Maybe. As it stands it's just more people getting a positive test from an unreliable testing system. 

So your logic is just pretend we aren't in a pandemic?

 

:cornette:

 

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