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Montgomery Brewster
25 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Cosgrove gives all clubs that have had solvency issues dogs abuse, apart from Motherwell because for all his succsses during his career, a wee fat guy from Motherwell and his 40 year old jokes for giggling school kids is the only person making Cosgrove publicly relevant.

I honestly can’t believe people waste their time listening to these programs. Full of absolute erseholes blowing hot air 

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GinRummy
6 minutes ago, luckydug said:

The Scottish Government attempted to tackle sectarianism in Scottish football  but Labour and Tory MSPs voted to get rid of the behaviour at football law as they said it discriminated against football fans. Football fans actually meaning OF fans. 

Scotland is a great country its just the folk running our football who spoil things. 

It’s not just the folk running it though it’s the bigots who support it and the clubs who condone it and the media who ignore it. 

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Pasquale for King
11 minutes ago, Angel eyes said:

Okay obviously with more important things going on in the world your new stadium is way down in the list of priorities in terms of sports news I’d think on hold for some considerable time?

I like this group on Facebook, they give a good insight into the plans.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nokingsfordstadium.org.uk%2F&h=AT35YTcBtF5ST2ONlhECQYKQhu57bQBpNBsgTlmM1XFLZlB33RA-_JM4RTb2btpgVZYiWQroHfqXnahfgh57HWv0tUeBbV3WJ9YXmUdvd1QRjRaO4AGXaXAkTa2SJQ

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pablo
7 minutes ago, luckydug said:

The Scottish Government attempted to tackle sectarianism in Scottish football  but Labour and Tory MSPs voted to get rid of the behaviour at football law as they said it discriminated against football fans. Football fans actually meaning OF fans. 

Scotland is a great country its just the folk running our football who spoil things. 

 

I'm no lover of the SNP, but I thought that was a scandal.

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gorgie rd eh11
2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

 

Dick Gordon seemed to spend the afternoon sniggering whenever Hearts were mentioned - he probably reads jkb and knows we all think he is a complete sissy bawbag 

 

 

 Stop any use of anything BBC, and stop paying the license fee. Email them to tell them why.

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Tynehead
30 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I admit I like Cosgrove but it's funny that all these folk with so-called left-leaning, even socialist credentials and a belief in the collective etc (I include Celtic fans image of themselves in this) are currently behaving like Tory "everyone for themselves" twats. Only Michael Stewart is staying true to his beliefs in that respect.

 

Listened to Off the Ball this evening, well done all Hearts fans for not taking the bait about "What Now for Hearts".

 

To be fair Tam Cowan tried a couple of times to air the its not fair to relegate any team as leagues were not completed.

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Jambo66
1 minute ago, pablo said:

 

I'm no lover of the SNP, but I thought that was a scandal.

From memory, I think the problem was that the legislation was specific to football only - in spite of sectarianism being a societal issue. That is intrinsically unfair.

Also, I think there are existing laws covering everything that that particular law was trying to address - and with more severe penalties.

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Ethan Hunt
5 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Aye very good mate. Try to be less selective and read/quote the last sentence.

The one about liabilities incurred and any other thing the board deems appropriate.

Liabilities and any other thing in relation to the day to day running of the league and cup competition you mean?

 

But, you obviously reckon that that section, and the particular line you quoted, refers to all liabilities and any other thing, like monies potentially owed to TV companies, or clubs who have made it known that they intend to take legal action and there may be court costs to pay as well as compensation?

 

If that is the case, the SPFL board are making Rangers job really easy for them to evidence neglect under company law. Because, if that section refers to the day to day running costs of the league then the SPFL board are fine. But if, as you are suggesting, they should be withholding monies to pay liabilities or other things, and those include TV monies owed and legal and compensation costs, and they have paid out all the prize money, then they are in neglect and breach of their duty.

 

Now, the SPFL board have shown they are stupid, but do you really think they are that stupid?

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pablo
Just now, Jambo66 said:

From memory, I think the problem was that the legislation was specific to football only - in spite of sectarianism being a societal issue. That is intrinsically unfair.

Also, I think there are existing laws covering everything that that particular law was trying to address - and with more severe penalties.

 

I know, I remember all that now you mention it. It wasn't perfect, but at least it was an attempt to target it specifically. And although it is a societal issue, like many of us, if I wasn't a football fan I wouldn't know sectarianism existed. 

 

Don't suppose it matters now but I thought it was a shame. 

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rory78

See these mutants at SPFL don't you think that now is the best time to decide the way forward rather than be so bloody hasty!?why did these muppets have 2 days to decide when its clear teams like Dunfermline that are represented are in dire straights 🙄 

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graygo
1 minute ago, Ethan Hunt said:

Liabilities and any other thing in relation to the day to day running of the league and cup competition you mean?

 

But, you obviously reckon that that section, and the particular line you quoted, refers to all liabilities and any other thing, like monies potentially owed to TV companies, or clubs who have made it known that they intend to take legal action and there may be court costs to pay as well as compensation?

 

If that is the case, the SPFL board are making Rangers job really easy for them to evidence neglect under company law. Because, if that section refers to the day to day running costs of the league then the SPFL board are fine. But if, as you are suggesting, they should be withholding monies to pay liabilities or other things, and those include TV monies owed and legal and compensation costs, and they have paid out all the prize money, then they are in neglect and breach of their duty.

 

Now, the SPFL board have shown they are stupid, but do you really think they are that stupid?

 

I'm not sure where you are going with this tbh.

 

Yes I think this covers any legal action anybody might take against the SPFL.

 

Nobody has taken legal action against the SPFL so why should they hold back money due to clubs? Just in case someone successfully sues them in the future? There hasn't been any neglect under company law that I can see, not the kind you're alluding to anyway. Any money due to be paid back to TV companies will come out of next season's pot.

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ramrod
1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

If you wanted what was best for Scottish football, your club wouldn't have shafted Hearts, Partick and Stranraer. Still, as the concentration camp guards said, you were only following orders. Now piss off back to wherever you came from and leave this place to Hearts supporters.

Don't mind him tbh , talks more sense than some of the arsehole Hearts fans on here and at least he's not trying to pretend he's a Hearts fan like a good few Hibs sadsacks on here . 

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johnthomas
14 minutes ago, Tynehead said:

 

Listened to Off the Ball this evening, well done all Hearts fans for not taking the bait about "What Now for Hearts".

 

To be fair Tam Cowan tried a couple of times to air the its not fair to relegate any team as leagues were not completed.

Tam Cowan is , in general , even handed . Certainly not anti Hearts .

Rapidly going off Cosgrove 

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Actually think this will end up off topic so will just end it

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johnthomas
1 minute ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

Except it didnt really tackle sectarianism. It was a law that was so poorly written that a lot times cases were thrown out. Also most of what it did was covered by other laws. 

It did , apparently , backfire on Celtic fans 

Not a coincidence the MSP who did most to repeal it was a Celtic fan 

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rory78

Im just sitting at home now thinking this and shoot me down if im wrong - Anne Budge right now is going about trying her best to rejig the leagues so teams that want to play CAN play??all the while SPFL top dog Doncaster is sitting in his house watching Netflix till Anne calls him with options???is it not his job to tell teams things are looking precarious if so?

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luckydug
1 minute ago, johnthomas said:

It did , apparently , backfire on Celtic fans 

Not a coincidence the MSP who did most to repeal it was a Celtic fan 

James Kelly iirc. 

One of the Kelly family associated with the 'Celtic family' over many generations. 

One of the few things the OF  bigots manage to agree on. 

Can't have anyone infringing on their 'rights' to drag Scotland back into the seventeenth century. 

 

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glynnlondon
22 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

I'm no lover of the SNP, but I thought that was a scandal.

LOL SNP won't be changing shit

They clubs ain't Scottish just happen to reside in the weege

Too busy fighting a civil war across the water.

No-one is changing that mentality 

No matter whose in charge

 

 

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jamboozy
Just now, rory78 said:

Im just sitting at home now thinking this and shoot me down if im wrong - Anne Budge right now is going about trying her best to rejig the leagues so teams that want to play CAN play??all the while SPFL top dog Doncaster is sitting in his house watching Netflix till Anne calls him with options???

You’ve got it mate, and the top deviant claims a massive wage for her doing it, meanwhile everyone and their dug is blaming Hearts for fecking Scottish fitba 😏

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3fingersreid
11 minutes ago, johnthomas said:

Tam Cowan is , in general , even handed . Certainly not anti Hearts .

Rapidly going off Cosgrove 

This is exactly where I’m at . For all cosgrove appears to be an intelligent man , his spiteful comments are letting him down . 

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kila
8 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

So what’s this all about?

 

http://www.skysports.com/share/11993552

 

Stendel trying to extend his contract? Or get out with a pay off??

 

He is in contract limbo right now.

 

If reconstruction happens and Hearts are still in the top flight, then the 'relegation' clause in his contract doesn't apply. If Hearts find themselves in the 2nd tier then his current contract is done and if we want to keep him we negotiate a new one.

 

I get the impression Stendel really likes Hearts, Tynecastle, Oriam and Edinburgh in general. Who the hell wouldn't? Nothing he's said or done has implied he wants away or is after a pay off - if he were after the latter he'd hardly forgo his ENTIRE wage to help save the club!

 

 

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Ethan Hunt
5 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

I'm not sure where you are going with this tbh.

 

Yes I think this covers any legal action anybody might take against the SPFL.

 

Nobody has taken legal action against the SPFL so why should they hold back money due to clubs? Just in case someone successfully sues them in the future? There hasn't been any neglect under company law that I can see, not the kind you're alluding to anyway. Any money due to be paid back to TV companies will come out of next season's pot.

Mate, the article relates to the day to day running of the league and cup competition.

 

Where I am going with it is if the SPFL Board have paid the monies out on the day to day running of the league - as per the article - then they have fulfilled their duty.  

 

If, however, as you seem to think, that the “liabilities or other thing” in that particular article relates to any, and every, liability then they have neglected and breached their duty. The last part of the last sentence your were so keen to point out states “liability incurred or to be incurred by the company or provision or allowance which the Board considers it appropriate for the Company to provide for”

 

If the Board didn’t consider it appropriate to withhold money for potential legal action, given a number of clubs other than Hearts have stated they are considering it, then I would confidently say they have not carried out their duties in a competent manner. They are paid to, amongst other things, consider what it is appropriate for the company to provide for, in doing that they protect the Company and its members.

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graygo
2 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said:

Mate, the article relates to the day to day running of the league and cup competition.

 

Where I am going with it is if the SPFL Board have paid the monies out on the day to day running of the league - as per the article - then they have fulfilled their duty.  

 

If, however, as you seem to think, that the “liabilities or other thing” in that particular article relates to any, and every, liability then they have neglected and breached their duty. The last part of the last sentence your were so keen to point out states “liability incurred or to be incurred by the company or provision or allowance which the Board considers it appropriate for the Company to provide for”

 

If the Board didn’t consider it appropriate to withhold money for potential legal action, given a number of clubs other than Hearts have stated they are considering it, then I would confidently say they have not carried out their duties in a competent manner. They are paid to, amongst other things, consider what it is appropriate for the company to provide for, in doing that they protect the Company and its members.

 

Then respectfully we will agree to disagree.

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Ethan Hunt
1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

Then respectfully we will agree to disagree.

Indeed.

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Jambo-Fox
5 minutes ago, kila said:

 

He is in contract limbo right now.

 

If reconstruction happens and Hearts are still in the top flight, then the 'relegation' clause in his contract doesn't apply. If Hearts find themselves in the 2nd tier then his current contract is done and if we want to keep him we negotiate a new one.

 

I get the impression Stendel really likes Hearts, Tynecastle, Oriam and Edinburgh in general. Who the hell wouldn't? Nothing he's said or done has implied he wants away or is after a pay off - if he were after the latter he'd hardly forgo his ENTIRE wage to help save the club!

 

 

Good comment I agree with it in its entirety!

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Independence
28 minutes ago, glynnlondon said:

LOL SNP won't be changing shit

They clubs ain't Scottish just happen to reside in the weege

Too busy fighting a civil war across the water.

No-one is changing that mentality 

No matter whose in charge

 

 

Eh?

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Class of 75
36 minutes ago, johnthomas said:

Tam Cowan is , in general , even handed . Certainly not anti Hearts .

Rapidly going off Cosgrove 

Cosgrove hates us with a passion. Listened to him this afternoon and had a swipe at us for not accepting our fate. Hates us and Rangers as he sees us as establishment clubs. I listened to him last year and he had the ex Scotland Rugby Captain Doddie Weir who is unfortunately suffering from a dehabilitating illness. He took great satisfaction in trying to claim that any kids playing rugby at schools in Edinburgh must be toffs. The man is a Hibs class inveterted snob who has a chip on his shoulder. He one of those radio presenters who thinks his opinion counts and that he is some offincianado on Scottish football. Needs told that he supports an irrelevant pub team. 

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Malinga the Swinga
52 minutes ago, Montgomery Brewster said:

I honestly can’t believe people waste their time listening to these programs. Full of absolute erseholes blowing hot air 

20 odd years ago, Off the Ball was a refreshing change. They came on and ripped the pish out of what was stale and out of date coverage of Scottish football. 

 

Now, they have become a parody of themselves, they have become the very thing they ridiculed, yet they can't see it. They are radios equivalent of Only an Excuse, same jokes, same skits, same guests, same shit.

 

BBC need to scrap their coverage and start again but they won't, it will be the same old stuff for years, regurgitated time after time.

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Gmcjambo
11 minutes ago, kila said:

 

He is in contract limbo right now.

 

If reconstruction happens and Hearts are still in the top flight, then the 'relegation' clause in his contract doesn't apply. If Hearts find themselves in the 2nd tier then his current contract is done and if we want to keep him we negotiate a new one.

 

I get the impression Stendel really likes Hearts, Tynecastle, Oriam and Edinburgh in general. Who the hell wouldn't? Nothing he's said or done has implied he wants away or is after a pay off - if he were after the latter he'd hardly forgo his ENTIRE wage to help save the club!

 

 

We have been officially 'relegated' though. Decision made. We may retrospectively challenge this legally,  or use to leverage reconstruction. I'm not sure that he is in contract limbo as its not a grey area as it stands right now.  He may wish to wait and see what happens of course but is he not free to leave now, if he chooses? 

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assessor
39 minutes ago, johnthomas said:

Tam Cowan is , in general , even handed . Certainly not anti Hearts .

Rapidly going off Cosgrove 

Sure I heard the 2 of them talking about the song Sunshite on Leith and asked do Hearts fans get goosebumps listening to it.   That and the constant putting the boot into Hearts all day on radio makes me want i hope their clubs join defunct Rangers, Gretna

 and Third Lanark.

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OldGorgie
30 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said:

This is exactly where I’m at . For all cosgrove appears to be an intelligent man , his spiteful comments are letting him down . 

Not sure about him being intelligent, but I think a large part of the current anti Hearts message from the BBC is due to jealousy concerning FOH and the positive impact it has on our club. 

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Special Officer Doofy
2 hours ago, Angel eyes said:

How’s this affecting your new stadium plans? Did you get the heads up to start or still waiting

 

2 hours ago, IveSeenTheLight said:


It’s on hold.


:rofl:

 

Yeah. It’s “on hold”. Once this pesky virus goes away, you’ll be visiting the magic money sheep and getting it to shit out £50m+ blabs. 

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graygo
6 minutes ago, Gmcjambo said:

We have been officially 'relegated' though. Decision made. We may retrospectively challenge this legally,  or use to leverage reconstruction. I'm not sure that he is in contract limbo as its not a grey area as it stands right now.  He may wish to wait and see what happens of course but is he not free to leave now, if he chooses? 

 

Pretty sure both he and the club could terminate the contract now if they want to but are sensibly waiting to see how things pan out.

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kingantti1874
11 minutes ago, Class of 75 said:

Cosgrove hates us with a passion. Listened to him this afternoon and had a swipe at us for not accepting our fate. Hates us and Rangers as he sees us as establishment clubs. I listened to him last year and he had the ex Scotland Rugby Captain Doddie Weir who is unfortunately suffering from a dehabilitating illness. He took great satisfaction in trying to claim that any kids playing rugby at schools in Edinburgh must be toffs. The man is a Hibs class inveterted snob who has a chip on his shoulder. He one of those radio presenters who thinks his opinion counts and that he is some offincianado on Scottish football. Needs told that he supports an irrelevant pub team. 


I kid not when I say this fools politics, and his perception of hearts drive his views..  ironic given he supports the biggest tory club in Scotland 

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Captain Canada
13 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

20 odd years ago, Off the Ball was a refreshing change. They came on and ripped the pish out of what was stale and out of date coverage of Scottish football. 

 

Now, they have become a parody of themselves, they have become the very thing they ridiculed, yet they can't see it. They are radios equivalent of Only an Excuse, same jokes, same skits, same guests, same shit.

 

BBC need to scrap their coverage and start again but they won't, it will be the same old stuff for years, regurgitated time after time.

 

Spot on. It's cringeworthy every week. 

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Jambo66
17 minutes ago, Gmcjambo said:

We have been officially 'relegated' though. Decision made. We may retrospectively challenge this legally,  or use to leverage reconstruction. I'm not sure that he is in contract limbo as its not a grey area as it stands right now.  He may wish to wait and see what happens of course but is he not free to leave now, if he chooses? 

I don't think it is quite as clear cut as that.  If the original void is struck down, the question is whether or not that decision was void or voidable.

 

Seems to me that there could be an argument that it was void - in which case Stendel's contract stands.  So long as that is a possible outcome, he is indeed in limbo.

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Leveins Battalion
24 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

20 odd years ago, Off the Ball was a refreshing change. They came on and ripped the pish out of what was stale and out of date coverage of Scottish football. 

 

Now, they have become a parody of themselves, they have become the very thing they ridiculed, yet they can't see it. They are radios equivalent of Only an Excuse, same jokes, same skits, same guests, same shit.

 

BBC need to scrap their coverage and start again but they won't, it will be the same old stuff for years, regurgitated time after time.

100 % ,Scottish Football coverage on the whole needs fresh blood.

 

Stuck with same shite for decades.

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SE16 3LN
1 hour ago, johnthomas said:

Tam Cowan is , in general , even handed . Certainly not anti Hearts .

Rapidly going off Cosgrove 

I agree about Cowan, he certainly hasn't been an enemy of Hearts. Motherwell have been saved 5 times from relegation by restructuring or shite bowling club rules so maybe he knows he'd be called out. I saw something recently from a few years back where Cosgrove was looking at the influence of the Irish in the early days of Scottish football, I think it was when the farmers won the cup. There was some interesting stuff I didn't know but it also makes me think now that he has a natural hatred of Hearts because of our perceived History.

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Deevers
1 hour ago, Tynehead said:

 

Listened to Off the Ball this evening, well done all Hearts fans for not taking the bait about "What Now for Hearts".

 

To be fair Tam Cowan tried a couple of times to air the its not fair to relegate any team as leagues were not completed.

Quite frankly BBC Scotland is an absolute disgrace. Childishly  pathetic when discussing anything out with the Old Firm. How that condescending prick Gordon is still in a job escapes me. 

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Malinga the Swinga
3 hours ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Saughton was first to post something on here and I said wonder if was same I'd heard and I pm,d him what I'd heard which he confirmed was as he heard but he didn't want to say until he had it confirmed ! Now what I will say I'd I've had it confirmed to me by 3 different sources who will definitely be in the know but will leave it for saughton to post 

I know you and SJ are keeping quiet, but can't you say if you are keeping quiet over good news or bad news?

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6.57

Whats peoples thoughts on a 16 team top division,  Hearts to stay up    promote United, ICT , Dundee and Ayr United..

 

You then have  Edinburgh derby,  Dundee derby , Ayrshire Derby ,  arse cheeks bigotfest  , Lanarkshire derby  Highland derby.

 

Would be a top class division when you add in the Sheep   and St liedown and   Perth and Livi.

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Whatever

Tam Cowan donated money of his own to our cause whilst we were in admin. I know that for a fact.
 

Cosgrove is a bitter fud.

 

 

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12XU
1 hour ago, gorgie rd eh11 said:

 

 

 Stop any use of anything BBC, and stop paying the license fee. Email them to tell them why.

 

Thats where I am as well - the BBC are finished ( except for Ken Bruce and Pop Master )

 

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kila
6 minutes ago, 6.57 said:

Whats peoples thoughts on a 16 team top division,  Hearts to stay up    promote United, ICT , Dundee and Ayr United..

 

You then have  Edinburgh derby,  Dundee derby , Ayrshire Derby ,  arse cheeks bigotfest  , Lanarkshire derby  Highland derby.

 

Would be a top class division when you add in the Sheep   and St liedown and   Perth and Livi.

 

 

Fairly split from a poll last month, most preferring 14 teams:

 

 

 

 

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SectionDJambo
35 minutes ago, assessor said:

Sure I heard the 2 of them talking about the song Sunshite on Leith and asked do Hearts fans get goosebumps listening to it.   That and the constant putting the boot into Hearts all day on radio makes me want i hope their clubs join defunct Rangers, Gretna

 and Third Lanark.

To be fair, Tam Cowan has been a good friend to Hearts through administration and beyond. He has earned the right to have a wee harmless joke about Hearts now and again.

Stuart Cosgrove, on the other hand, has a bitterness about Hearts that is a strange thing, unless he frequented Hibs Casual functions in his darker past. Thinks he’s the smartest loudmouth in the room all the time.

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Malinga the Swinga
2 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

To be fair, Tam Cowan has been a good friend to Hearts through administration and beyond. He has earned the right to have a wee harmless joke about Hearts now and again.

Stuart Cosgrove, on the other hand, has a bitterness about Hearts that is a strange thing, unless he frequented Hibs Casual functions in his darker past. Thinks he’s the smartest loudmouth in the room all the time.

Cosgrove is a strange paradox. He likes to position himself as fighting for the underdog, taking on the establishment and sticking up,for the working class man.

 

The unfortunate thing is that he is an extremely wealthy man, is firmly part of the establishment and is absolutely nothing like a working class man.

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Boof
2 hours ago, Morgan said:

Hearts would beat Aberdeen at Tynecastle, or Pittodrie, or on the moon.

 

:greggy: 

 

Moon would be like a home game for them.

 

Freezing cauld and nae ****in atmosphere.

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Steve
1 hour ago, rory78 said:

Im just sitting at home now thinking this and shoot me down if im wrong - Anne Budge right now is going about trying her best to rejig the leagues so teams that want to play CAN play??all the while SPFL top dog Doncaster is sitting in his house watching Netflix till Anne calls him with options???is it not his job to tell teams things are looking precarious if so?

absolutely SPOT ON....they are the leadership team??!! where is the leadership.....the league exec taking a back seat while budge does everything?!!

 

can't believe this is where scottish football governance is at! 

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21 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

To be fair, Tam Cowan has been a good friend to Hearts through administration and beyond. He has earned the right to have a wee harmless joke about Hearts now and again.

Stuart Cosgrove, on the other hand, has a bitterness about Hearts that is a strange thing, unless he frequented Hibs Casual functions in his darker past. Thinks he’s the smartest loudmouth in the room all the time.

 

Tam's a good guy - he's always had time for Hearts and definitely helped out the club out in the past. Also always prepared to have a laugh at his own expense.

 

Cosgrove has never seemed that keen on us. Really not sure why.

 

In general the football coverage on BBC Scotland is an embarrassment these days. Tom English and Neil McCann are decent pundits but some of their other so-called analysts are absolutely hopeless. 

 

 

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