GorgieRules22 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, queensferryjambo said: Ann Budge did sack him. Mmmm in a round about way yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, samgolden said: So is the Scottish Cup awarded to the the team with best goal for/against ratio Shove the Scottish cup up their arse and if the club don’t tell the the same I’ll be disgusted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gambo said: Aberdeen Falkirk. What do you think a league with Celtic Hibs Livingston St.Mirren would attract? Good point. If the biggest teams in each City walk, they'd be left with Celtic and a bunch of teams that can barely attract 10,000 fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyboy7 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, queensferryjambo said: Ann Budge did sack him. Nope he is still employed by the club in a different role. No other club in the history of football has ever done this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: The Huns are just playing up to their kappa-wearing crowd. They know they’ve got zero chance of winning the league. It's not zero chance and that's the point really. Even if it's a 0.00001% chance, it isn't zero. So to declare champions or relegations for a sporting contest when the outcome wasn't 100% certain is bullshit. Especially at this moment in time when there are other possible options on the table. We shouldn't be deciding something so final right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 hours ago, davemclaren said: Yes, but the flu was a state secret and downplayed. 🤔 Not alot changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, chrisyboy7 said: Nope he is still employed by the club in a different role. No other club in the history of football has ever done this. Except for Liverpool, Aberdeen and Dunfermline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartandsoul Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said: Shove the Scottish cup up their arse and if the club don’t tell the the same I’ll be disgusted This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, jr ewing said: Petrie isn't the sharpest tool. Nope but he sure is the biggest tool on the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, queensferryjambo said: Ann Budge did sack him. Sort of. The current head coach is taking nothing out the club. The previous "sacked" head coach is still drawing half salary. Disgraceful. Can't wait for the day when she and that failure are no longer involved with HMFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, chrisyboy7 said: Nope he is still employed by the club in a different role. No other club in the history of football has ever done this. She sacked him as manager. Pretty obvious what was meant from my post and the person who I was replying to, who was referring to Levein in his time as manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Except for Liverpool, Aberdeen and Dunfermline. 😂 no comeback from that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, David McCaig said: I don’t know if that could be used as the basis of a legal challenge? Oh I don't know if it were proved money was the incentive for voting the SPFL's way then surely that's corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said: Shove the Scottish cup up their arse and if the club don’t tell the the same I’ll be disgusted That’s an expensive gesture. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH11 2NL Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 If we get relegated and just simply accept it Budge has to step down. It's been done to death that we are bottom of the league due to her inaction on Levein, to go down with a vote like this, because we are sitting bottom after 30 games in a league including the likes of Hamilton, St Mirren and County is utterly inexcusable. We can blame Levein all we want, it was Budge that dragged her heels for the best part of 10 months when the majority of footballing people in Scotland could see where we were heading. Statements in October of still aiming for Europe just highlight how far out her depth she is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, martoon said: Sort of. The current head coach is taking nothing out the club. The previous "sacked" head coach is still drawing half salary. Disgraceful. Can't wait for the day when she and that failure are no longer involved with HMFC. Sickening tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, lsimp77 said: Craig Levein: The manager of the worst Hearts team in 40 years Ann Budge: The owner who didn’t sack him. Swing n a miss Budge did sack him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Oh I don't know if it were proved money was the incentive for voting the SPFL's way then surely that's corruption. Wonder if the SPFL and SFA have Anti Bribery and Corruption policies, officers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Takes her 18 months to hear what fans demands are Fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: That’s an expensive gesture. 😳 If they relegate us 8 games short of the season finishing then expect us to finish the Scottish cup from that season I seriously hope the club don’t entertain it. I’ll certainly not be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Rangers could argue that we’ve had a break, players have had a chance to recover from injuries etc etc. When play resumed they’ll have a mini pre season to do. They have a game in hand which takes it 10 points. Their next game is Celtic at home? Win that and it becomes 7 points. Win the other old firm and it’s 4 points. On the form they where in before the shut down, that was never going to happen. There is a chance now however since they have had a chance to break from that form. Same should be considered with us. Boyce caught up and back fit. Smith shakes off his injury. Naismith has a rest. Sibbick back from his injury. A few weeks to work one on one with the players again, something that we see has a big impact on this side, the little run after the winter shut down and the Rangers cup match after the St Mirren postponement. Both examples above are why we should be fighting this tooth and nail. Expose all the under hand dealings from Celtic and the SPFL. Celtic have wanted the league called from the minute a shut down started to be spoken about. This has always been their plan and they’ll do anything to push it through. The using of the prize money as ransom and threatening the removal of Euro places, paying back broadcasters etx is just guilt tripping sides into conforming. We need to get on the front foot with Rangers and start attacking this system. On a side note cause I’ve seen it mentioned now a few times. Yes Levein and Budge need to shoulder the blame for us sitting bottom and being in a horrendous position, but that’s not important just now. If we’d played to a conclusion and found ourselves in this position then that argument would be solid. Right now, we are being relegated unfairly with 24 points still to play for, let’s focus on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, lsimp77 said: Never mind what a certain club votes for. There are only two people to blame for Hearts being in this position and that is Craig Levein and Ann Budge. Both have ripped the soul out of this club. Thats not the argument right now though is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, Gambo said: Aberdeen Falkirk. What do you think a league with Celtic Hibs Livingston St.Mirren would attract? Promotion, relegation, Scottish and League cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Except for Liverpool, Aberdeen and Dunfermline. 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, davemclaren said: That’s an expensive gesture. 😳 We better tell them to ram it as far as it will go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, EH11 2NL said: If we get relegated and just simply accept it Budge has to step down. It's been done to death that we are bottom of the league due to her inaction on Levein, to go down with a vote like this, because we are sitting bottom after 30 games in a league including the likes of Hamilton, St Mirren and County is utterly inexcusable. We can blame Levein all we want, it was Budge that dragged her heels for the best part of 10 months when the majority of footballing people in Scotland could see where we were heading. Statements in October of still aiming for Europe just highlight how far out her depth she is. It doesn't help her case when she comes out with stuff like this and then seems to be backing down. This is a quote from her interview with the EEN. Asked if she would take legal action if a decision is made which relegates Hearts, Budge replied: “Yes, I would have to because I fundamentally disagree with it. "Because there are so many options, it's difficult for me to sit here and say 'we'd do this or we'd do that'. I am not of a view that it's a reasonable thing to do. "Nor can I see who would benefit. How does that help anybody in a situation where we are all confronting issues that nobody ever imagined we would have to confront? Who benefits from it? I just can't get my head round that." The Scottish Football Association and Scottish Professional Football League are due to seek guidance on how to proceed with domestic competitions during talks with UEFA on Tuesday. “I'd love to be able to finish the season but, if we can't, I think we have to be pragmatic about it and take a view on a premature ending,” said Budge. Most Popular Most Popular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Oh I don't know if it were proved money was the incentive for voting the SPFL's way then surely that's corruption. It could be argued that money wasnt the incentive it was about looking after the members who were struggling with money they would be getting anyway. Not that i believe that bullshit but in a lawyers world its about what you can prove. Im resigned to relegation as i think there are too many obstacles and people with their own self interest in it to see us safe. This squad of players should always be known as the biggest, greediest, useless bunch of players ever to put on the jersey. Relegated with a budget and squad that should be nowhere near where we are. Edited April 10, 2020 by Jamboelite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, busby1985 said: Rangers could argue that we’ve had a break, players have had a chance to recover from injuries etc etc. When play resumed they’ll have a mini pre season to do. They have a game in hand which takes it 10 points. Their next game is Celtic at home? Win that and it becomes 7 points. Win the other old firm and it’s 4 points. On the form they where in before the shut down, that was never going to happen. There is a chance now however since they have had a chance to break from that form. Same should be considered with us. Boyce caught up and back fit. Smith shakes off his injury. Naismith has a rest. Sibbick back from his injury. A few weeks to work one on one with the players again, something that we see has a big impact on this side, the little run after the winter shut down and the Rangers cup match after the St Mirren postponement. Both examples above are why we should be fighting this tooth and nail. Expose all the under hand dealings from Celtic and the SPFL. Celtic have wanted the league called from the minute a shut down started to be spoken about. This has always been their plan and they’ll do anything to push it through. The using of the prize money as ransom and threatening the removal of Euro places, paying back broadcasters etx is just guilt tripping sides into conforming. We need to get on the front foot with Rangers and start attacking this system. On a side note cause I’ve seen it mentioned now a few times. Yes Levein and Budge need to shoulder the blame for us sitting bottom and being in a horrendous position, but that’s not important just now. If we’d played to a conclusion and found ourselves in this position then that argument would be solid. Right now, we are being relegated unfairly with 24 points still to play for, let’s focus on that. Wise words, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Are folk expecting us to go to court even if we know we can't win ? Or leave the league for england ? Or refuse to play next season ? Still confused about what the folk are expecting the club to do if the vote goes against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bean counter Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) If this goes their way I would expect the result to be made known tonight if not I suspect they will wait a few days so they have their next option ready to go Edited April 10, 2020 by bean counter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylejordan Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Is it plausible that they decide to call the season as it is, name Celtic champions, technically relegate us but then reconstruct the league? So technically we got relegated but we are in the top league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: It could be argued that money wasnt the incentive it was about looking after the members who were struggling with money they would be getting anyway. Not that i believe that bullshit but in a lawyers world its about what you can prove. Im resigned to relegation as i think there are too many obstacles and people with their own self interest in it to see us safe. This squad of players should always be known as the biggest, greediest, useless bunch of players ever to put on the jersey. Relegated with a budget and squad that should be nowhere near where we are. Forcibly demoted is a better way of describing it. And our lawyers would be pretty strongly showing it was exactly the reason they voted the SPFL way. It's not only their ****ing lawyers that get a say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) Does it matter if 9 out of the 3 teams in the SPFL are for it if Falkirk, Stranraer, Dumbarton, East Fife are against it in League One alone? 🤔 Edited April 10, 2020 by Cruyff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Cruyff said: Does it matter if 9 out of the 3 teams are for it if Falkirk, Stranraer, Dumbarton, East Fife are against in League One alone? 🤔 League one and two are a joint vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kylejordan said: Is it plausible that they decide to call the season as it is, name Celtic champions, technically relegate us but then reconstruct the league? So technically we got relegated but we are in the top league? That’s the carrot they are dangling and should be the outcome if the league can’t be completed. Unfortunately the carrot will be removed the second they get the outcome they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: Does it matter if 9 out of the 3 teams are for it if Falkirk, Stranraer, Dumbarton, East Fife are against in League One alone? 🤔 League 1 and League 2 are combined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Cruyff said: Does it matter if 9 out of the 3 teams are for it if Falkirk, Stranraer, Dumbarton, East Fife are against in League One alone? 🤔 the league one votes are joined to the league two ones so 15 need to vote for it to pass (along with the votes in the championship and top flight) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEHEART1874 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I can see why Motherwell would want the league finished being in 3rd and one point ahead of aberdeen and obviously hamilton . But the rest especially the hobos going down a place probably loosing money wow! bitter wee club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Spoiler 1 minute ago, GorgieRules22 said: League one and two are a joint vote. Just now, David McCaig said: League 1 and League 2 are combined Just now, milky_26 said: the league one votes are joined to the league two ones so 15 need to vote for it to pass (along with the votes in the championship and top flight) OK so, they don't have enough votes Falkirk, Dumbarton, East Fife, Montrose, Stranraer and Edinburgh City are against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Forcibly demoted is a better way of describing it. And our lawyers would be pretty strongly showing it was exactly the reason they voted the SPFL way. It's not only their ****ing lawyers that get a say. Of course not but just being pissed off isnt enough of a case i’d suggest we need to be very confident before kicking the lawyers into gear. I suspect the SPFL have considered the likely legal challenge before doing what they have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, BRAVEHEART1874 said: I can see why Motherwell would want the league finished being in 3rd and one point ahead of aberdeen and obviously hamilton . But the rest especially the hobos going down a place probably loosing money wow! bitter wee club As someone said as already, only hibs would vote to drop down a place and lose money This new guy that’s in charge must be wondering what the hell hes done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Cruyff said: Hide contents OK so, they don't have enough votes Falkirk, Dumbarton, East Fife, Montrose, Stranraer and Edinburgh City are against. Fingers crossed... its a nervous 27 minutes ahead!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: Reveal hidden contents OK so, they don't have enough votes Falkirk, Dumbarton, East Fife, Montrose, Stranraer and Edinburgh City are against. Is that confirmed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: It's not zero chance and that's the point really. Even if it's a 0.00001% chance, it isn't zero. So to declare champions or relegations for a sporting contest when the outcome wasn't 100% certain is bullshit. Especially at this moment in time when there are other possible options on the table. We shouldn't be deciding something so final right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Jamboelite said: Of course not but just being pissed off isnt enough of a case i’d suggest we need to be very confident before kicking the lawyers into gear. I suspect the SPFL have considered the likely legal challenge before doing what they have done. Possibly but the SPFL can’t have helped themselves in that regard with their shenanigans over the Rangers proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kylejordan said: Is it plausible that they decide to call the season as it is, name Celtic champions, technically relegate us but then reconstruct the league? So technically we got relegated but we are in the top league? Woukd be the best scenario, could empty half the squad with the relegation release clauses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts Fridge Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 The lawyers are already instructed, how far they advise us to take this is another matter and it will play out in the coming days if this gets through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, milky_26 said: the league one votes are joined to the league two ones so 15 need to vote for it to pass (along with the votes in the championship and top flight) Have they explained the rationale behind this decision? It seems very odd and a little contrived given league one seems to be where most are against the proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: Is that confirmed ? Not yet, no. Some of them have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: Hide contents OK so, they don't have enough votes Falkirk, Dumbarton, East Fife, Montrose, Stranraer and Edinburgh City are against. So in a breakaway league we could have... Glasgow, Edinburgh and Dundee's biggest clubs. Fife's most successful club. Aberdeen Falkirk, who can bring a better support than half the top flight. Dumbarton, joint winners of the first championship. Doesn't sound too bad to me. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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