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25 minutes ago, Independence said:

Why? I am 64 but the thought of me turning my back on the club over this is laughable. It will become history and we will get back to where we belong. 'Tipping point'. Surely this is the time to be strong and support Hearts more, ensuring we survive. If you don't go to the games will you increase your FoH fee? Why pay it if you have decided to turn your back on the club you supposedly claim to love? It's all incredibly selfish a bit like teddies out the pram. 

Must admit I have similar attitude. I’m 70 and consider Hearts as part of my life. I’m sure like me you have come through greater setbacks  than the current situation. For me the best thing we have is the prospect of fan ownership, a great ground and at last a sound financial background.  Onwards and forwards .

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1 hour ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

There is a poll to express your wishes on this. @davemclaren closed it to comments last night for some reason, so it looks like the thread is closed to votes too, but it isn’t. Be good to let anyone from the club looking in know how the fans feel.

 

 

Voted yes all the way , can’t add to the topic🤷‍♂️

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39 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

You think Hamilton v Livingston will draw a massive tv audience competing against 5 other SPFL games and likely 5 English Premier and 10 Championship games. 

 

Rochdale v Crewe etc etc etc.

 

That's the real world 

The response was in relation to the comment saying  the league wont start behind closed doors because of Sky.

 

I see no reason why the lack of fans will

impact Sky but enhance the audience numbers assuming scheduling is done to avoid alot of clashes.

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Hungry hippo

If the SPFL proposal is approved on Friday then everyone is entitled to have a go at AB but at present surely we have to back her especially as she believes we have enough votes.

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Quite strange this . 

After the 4 Old Firm games Celtic and Rangers at Tynecastle are probably the games they most look forward to showing , followed by the 4 Derbies . 

You would think there's enough shite in the league without emptying Hearts when it's not necessary. 

 

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3 minutes ago, One five said:

Voted yes all the way , can’t add to the topic🤷‍♂️


Dave closed it to comments.

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42 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

 

Absolutely, I don’t think she could survive that. 


She should be gone at the end of this mess regardless

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34 minutes ago, Jodami said:

Frankly, post Neilson it is impossible to underestimate the footballing mess made by Ann Budge from an incredibly advantageous position. 

Ditto ,,, howling c....t if it springs to mind,,,thanks Anne!!!!

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37 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Yep, that was my fault entirely, mate. Sorry about that.

Absolutely no problem 👍 We are all in this together,but I do worry about Ann Budge and her ability to put up a good fight at her age,and the current world wide problem we are experiencing that’s having its toll on all of us work/family etc.

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I think people are hoping in desperation regarding the vote and AB’s interview. I very much see it as being done and she knows it both legally and with knowledge of the other clubs views.

 

Even if the vote fails this time then give it another 2-3 weeks of pressure to be applied and then its a re-vote and pass.

 

Football equivalent of Brexit.

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11 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Dave closed it to comments.

Can I suggest that you start another poll re ‘should we fight to the death’ or similar as things have moved on since last night?  Most comments on the original one were around why would you ask that question but we seem to have more context around things now though ‘to the death’ is still a tad nebulous for me. 
 

ok?
 

 

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Budge letting this happen would be 100% in keeping with her disinterest in our shocking league position 

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3 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Can I suggest that you start another poll re ‘should we fight to the death’ or similar as things have moved on since last night?  Most comments on the original one were around why would you ask that question but we seem to have more context around things now though ‘to the death’ is still a tad nebulous for me. 
 

ok?
 

 


It’s still perfectly relevant though. It was as relevant last night as it was today. 
 

Someone else can do it, I cant be arsed constantly pissing against your wind on here tbh, Dave.

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Just now, Special Officer Doofy said:


It’s still perfectly relevant though. It was as relevant last night as it was today. 
 

Someone else can do it, I cant be arsed constantly pissing against your wind on here tbh, Dave.

Your choice. 

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Clerry Jambo

Hearts will survive' - Ann Budge scotches claims that Tynecastle club are teetering on brink

Jambos chief explains cost-cutting measures and says she is not ‘worried’

31 minutes ago

Thursday, 9th April 2020, 8:03 pm

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Ann Budge has addresses suggestions that Hearts are on the brink. Copyright: Other 3rd Party

Moving to shutdown persistent rumours that her club are teetering on the brink thanks to the coronavirus crisis, Ann Budge has insisted that “Hearts will survive”.

The Edinburgh businesswoman, who rescued the Gorgie outfit from administration in 2014, was widely-criticised when, responding to the football shutdown, the club were the first in Scotland’s top flight to announce swingeing wage cuts.

That early response also provoked panic in the ranks with fans, who had dug deep to save their club and were worried that they would have to bail them out again.

Stuck in a precarious position at the foot of the Premiership and staring the possibility of relegation in the face, the size of the playing squad also intensified the concern, with some interpreting their refusal to offer wage deferrals in place of cuts as a sign that they are struggling financially.

But, Budge, who is poised to handover ownership to fans’ group Foundation of Hearts, has moved to shutdown the negativity, stating: “One of the first things I had to deal with when I first took over was £1million of football debt in unpaid wages from the previous regime and I am not going to build that problem in for anyone else, if I can avoid it. That is why we responded so quickly.

“It was obvious what was going to happen, that there will be no football until August, so we looked at the financial issues, looked at the costs and how we could stretch things out until football is restarted. We have got a plan that will see us through to August or September. If we get there and they are saying there will be no football ‘til January, I don’t think we will be the only club who see that as a different kind of problem. But, no, I am not worried. Hearts will survive.

“We will go through the tough times like everyone else is at this moment but once we all come through this, I want us to be in a position where we can really motor and not have anything hanging over us for weeks or months.”

However, she admitted that the need to furlough staff and manage without usual revenues has made the past few weeks the most testing of her tenure, with more uncertainty and frustration caused by the league clubs’ disparate views on how to tackle the remainder of the season and address the issue of league reconstruction.

While she has also not ruled out legal action, should they be condemned to the Championship without the opportunity to save themselves through the fulfilment of all league fixtures, she admitted that there may come a time when she feels it is no longer worth taking it any further.

“But I have said from the beginning that we will absolutely take legal advice. If the legal advice is that we aren’t going to win then I will let it go. But, we haven’t reached that point and we are still looking at where we go from here.”

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7 minutes ago, Clerry Jambo said:

Hearts will survive' - Ann Budge scotches claims that Tynecastle club are teetering on brink

Jambos chief explains cost-cutting measures and says she is not ‘worried’

31 minutes ago

Thursday, 9th April 2020, 8:03 pm

Updated 

 

Ann Budge has addresses suggestions that Hearts are on the brink. Copyright: Other 3rd Party

Moving to shutdown persistent rumours that her club are teetering on the brink thanks to the coronavirus crisis, Ann Budge has insisted that “Hearts will survive”.

The Edinburgh businesswoman, who rescued the Gorgie outfit from administration in 2014, was widely-criticised when, responding to the football shutdown, the club were the first in Scotland’s top flight to announce swingeing wage cuts.

That early response also provoked panic in the ranks with fans, who had dug deep to save their club and were worried that they would have to bail them out again.

Stuck in a precarious position at the foot of the Premiership and staring the possibility of relegation in the face, the size of the playing squad also intensified the concern, with some interpreting their refusal to offer wage deferrals in place of cuts as a sign that they are struggling financially.

But, Budge, who is poised to handover ownership to fans’ group Foundation of Hearts, has moved to shutdown the negativity, stating: “One of the first things I had to deal with when I first took over was £1million of football debt in unpaid wages from the previous regime and I am not going to build that problem in for anyone else, if I can avoid it. That is why we responded so quickly.

“It was obvious what was going to happen, that there will be no football until August, so we looked at the financial issues, looked at the costs and how we could stretch things out until football is restarted. We have got a plan that will see us through to August or September. If we get there and they are saying there will be no football ‘til January, I don’t think we will be the only club who see that as a different kind of problem. But, no, I am not worried. Hearts will survive.

“We will go through the tough times like everyone else is at this moment but once we all come through this, I want us to be in a position where we can really motor and not have anything hanging over us for weeks or months.”

However, she admitted that the need to furlough staff and manage without usual revenues has made the past few weeks the most testing of her tenure, with more uncertainty and frustration caused by the league clubs’ disparate views on how to tackle the remainder of the season and address the issue of league reconstruction.

While she has also not ruled out legal action, should they be condemned to the Championship without the opportunity to save themselves through the fulfilment of all league fixtures, she admitted that there may come a time when she feels it is no longer worth taking it any further.

“But I have said from the beginning that we will absolutely take legal advice. If the legal advice is that we aren’t going to win then I will let it go. But, we haven’t reached that point and we are still looking at where we go from here.”

That seems a lot clearer than her sky interview. 

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18 minutes ago, Clerry Jambo said:

Hearts will survive' - Ann Budge scotches claims that Tynecastle club are teetering on brink

Jambos chief explains cost-cutting measures and says she is not ‘worried’

31 minutes ago

Thursday, 9th April 2020, 8:03 pm

Updated 

 

Ann Budge has addresses suggestions that Hearts are on the brink. Copyright: Other 3rd Party

Moving to shutdown persistent rumours that her club are teetering on the brink thanks to the coronavirus crisis, Ann Budge has insisted that “Hearts will survive”.

The Edinburgh businesswoman, who rescued the Gorgie outfit from administration in 2014, was widely-criticised when, responding to the football shutdown, the club were the first in Scotland’s top flight to announce swingeing wage cuts.

That early response also provoked panic in the ranks with fans, who had dug deep to save their club and were worried that they would have to bail them out again.

Stuck in a precarious position at the foot of the Premiership and staring the possibility of relegation in the face, the size of the playing squad also intensified the concern, with some interpreting their refusal to offer wage deferrals in place of cuts as a sign that they are struggling financially.

But, Budge, who is poised to handover ownership to fans’ group Foundation of Hearts, has moved to shutdown the negativity, stating: “One of the first things I had to deal with when I first took over was £1million of football debt in unpaid wages from the previous regime and I am not going to build that problem in for anyone else, if I can avoid it. That is why we responded so quickly.

“It was obvious what was going to happen, that there will be no football until August, so we looked at the financial issues, looked at the costs and how we could stretch things out until football is restarted. We have got a plan that will see us through to August or September. If we get there and they are saying there will be no football ‘til January, I don’t think we will be the only club who see that as a different kind of problem. But, no, I am not worried. Hearts will survive.

“We will go through the tough times like everyone else is at this moment but once we all come through this, I want us to be in a position where we can really motor and not have anything hanging over us for weeks or months.”

However, she admitted that the need to furlough staff and manage without usual revenues has made the past few weeks the most testing of her tenure, with more uncertainty and frustration caused by the league clubs’ disparate views on how to tackle the remainder of the season and address the issue of league reconstruction.

While she has also not ruled out legal action, should they be condemned to the Championship without the opportunity to save themselves through the fulfilment of all league fixtures, she admitted that there may come a time when she feels it is no longer worth taking it any further.

“But I have said from the beginning that we will absolutely take legal advice. If the legal advice is that we aren’t going to win then I will let it go. But, we haven’t reached that point and we are still looking at where we go from here.”

Good night Drama Queens

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I wish to **** she would consider her first statement and cover off what she means without having to make another one to explain further what she originally meant.

 

Its annoying as ****

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Just now, Jamboelite said:

I wish to **** she would consider her first statement and cover off what she means without having to make another one to explain further what she originally meant.

 

Its annoying as ****

 

Who says the Scotsman interview was latest?

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29 minutes ago, Clerry Jambo said:

Hearts will survive' - Ann Budge scotches claims that Tynecastle club are teetering on brink

Jambos chief explains cost-cutting measures and says she is not ‘worried’

31 minutes ago

Thursday, 9th April 2020, 8:03 pm

Updated 

 

Ann Budge has addresses suggestions that Hearts are on the brink. Copyright: Other 3rd Party

Moving to shutdown persistent rumours that her club are teetering on the brink thanks to the coronavirus crisis, Ann Budge has insisted that “Hearts will survive”.

The Edinburgh businesswoman, who rescued the Gorgie outfit from administration in 2014, was widely-criticised when, responding to the football shutdown, the club were the first in Scotland’s top flight to announce swingeing wage cuts.

That early response also provoked panic in the ranks with fans, who had dug deep to save their club and were worried that they would have to bail them out again.

Stuck in a precarious position at the foot of the Premiership and staring the possibility of relegation in the face, the size of the playing squad also intensified the concern, with some interpreting their refusal to offer wage deferrals in place of cuts as a sign that they are struggling financially.

But, Budge, who is poised to handover ownership to fans’ group Foundation of Hearts, has moved to shutdown the negativity, stating: “One of the first things I had to deal with when I first took over was £1million of football debt in unpaid wages from the previous regime and I am not going to build that problem in for anyone else, if I can avoid it. That is why we responded so quickly.

“It was obvious what was going to happen, that there will be no football until August, so we looked at the financial issues, looked at the costs and how we could stretch things out until football is restarted. We have got a plan that will see us through to August or September. If we get there and they are saying there will be no football ‘til January, I don’t think we will be the only club who see that as a different kind of problem. But, no, I am not worried. Hearts will survive.

“We will go through the tough times like everyone else is at this moment but once we all come through this, I want us to be in a position where we can really motor and not have anything hanging over us for weeks or months.”

However, she admitted that the need to furlough staff and manage without usual revenues has made the past few weeks the most testing of her tenure, with more uncertainty and frustration caused by the league clubs’ disparate views on how to tackle the remainder of the season and address the issue of league reconstruction.

While she has also not ruled out legal action, should they be condemned to the Championship without the opportunity to save themselves through the fulfilment of all league fixtures, she admitted that there may come a time when she feels it is no longer worth taking it any further.

“But I have said from the beginning that we will absolutely take legal advice. If the legal advice is that we aren’t going to win then I will let it go. But, we haven’t reached that point and we are still looking at where we go from here.”

Where is this statement from?

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That is why we responded so quickly.

“It was obvious what was going to happen, that there will be no football until August, so we looked at the financial issues, looked at the costs and how we could stretch things out until football is restarted. We have got a plan that will see us through to August or September. If we get there and they are saying there will be no football ‘til January, I don’t think we will be the only club who see that as a different kind of problem. But, no, I am not worried. Hearts will survive.
 

 

Well thats a paragraph and a half ❤️👌🏻

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davemclaren
12 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Surely FOH funds now going direct to the club must help to mitigate to some extent, albeit limited.

They will certainly help. 

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I still think Ann is trying to be as diplomatic as possible. 

 

Take the '**** everything and everyone' stance too early and they'll be less willing to listen to you. 

 

We absolutely need to be willing and to be seen willing to find a resolution to this no matter what the keyboard warriors on here say. 

 

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Italian Lambretta
29 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Surely FOH funds now going direct to the club must help to mitigate to some extent, albeit limited.

If we can use FOH funds to help prop up the club until football starts then thats fine. 

It would be even more satisfying if the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren go out of business because their pishy wee junkie fans cannot afford to support their shitty clubs. 

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So far, it looks like against the proposal are for certain are, 

SPFL - Hearts, Rangers, 

Championship - Dundee, Partick

League 1 - Falkirk

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Lord Beni of Gorgie
1 hour ago, Jamboelite said:

The response was in relation to the comment saying  the league wont start behind closed doors because of Sky.

 

I see no reason why the lack of fans will

impact Sky but enhance the audience numbers assuming scheduling is done to avoid alot of clashes.

Because it's not economically viable because the tv companies audience have no desire to screen all matches in Scotland. 

 

No fans no tv no money 

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11 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said:

If we can use FOH funds to help prop up the club until football starts then thats fine. 

It would be even more satisfying if the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren go out of business because their pishy wee junkie fans cannot afford to support their shitty clubs. 

Hear hear 

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57 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Surely FOH funds now going direct to the club must help to mitigate to some extent, albeit limited.


Surely AB would allow it to be for some of her shareholding also? 

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24 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said:

If we can use FOH funds to help prop up the club until football starts then thats fine. 

It would be even more satisfying if the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren go out of business because their pishy wee junkie fans cannot afford to support their shitty clubs. 

I don’t want to see ANY clubs going to the wall over this. For a start if the likes of St Mirren and Hamilton can’t survive this, just about every club below that level will probably go with them and some above that level. You’d end up with about 6 clubs left, and probably 4 of them in a right state for years to come. Scottish football as we know it would be finished.

 

Apart from which I want to see us get back to a place where clubs like that are coming to Tynecastle and going away with nothing to show for their visit but a right good hiding.

 

You might not think highly of their fan bases but at least they’re not catching a bus to Ibrox or Celtic Park every fortnight and the vast majority of them are common or garden football fans just like us. I dare say they have their share of pishy junky types but you only need to go to a few Hearts away games to see the nick of some of ‘our own’

 

Think carefully about what you wish for and think back a few years to when we were in real bother and some clubs helped us out a bit.

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lost in space
36 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

So far, it looks like against the proposal are for certain are, 

SPFL - Hearts, Rangers, 

Championship - Dundee, Partick

League 1 - Falkirk

Surely Inverness MUST oppose - as they can go up through play-offs. If they do - proposal fails as they need 8 to back it and Partick and Dundee will also surely oppose.

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I know not many of you are lawyers but it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that if you don’t have any legal basis upon which to challenge a decision then you have nothing to fight and nothing to fight with. 
 

Budge isn’t giving up - there is no ****ing legal basis to appeal a members related vote - stitch up or not. ****ing engage your brains FFS.

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2 minutes ago, Jammy T said:

I know not many of you are lawyers but it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that if you don’t have any legal basis upon which to challenge a decision then you have nothing to fight and nothing to fight with. 
 

Budge isn’t giving up - there is no ****ing legal basis to appeal a members related vote - stitch up or not. ****ing engage your brains FFS.

Depending on the order of the articles she hasnt said there is no legal option just that we havent come to that and if we do and then there is no option she’ll let it go.

 

I do think Doncaster and the likes have done this in a way that it perhaps makes it impossible to challenge but thats what lawyers are for.

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47 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

So far, it looks like against the proposal are for certain are, 

SPFL - Hearts, Rangers, 

Championship - Dundee, Partick

League 1 - Falkirk


Add Stranraer to the list. Saw their  representative taking about how disappointed they were with the proposal. Saying you wouldn’t award Usain Bolt the gold medal after 75m!

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2 minutes ago, Jamboelite said:

Depending on the order of the articles she hasnt said there is no legal option just that we havent come to that and if we do and then there is no option she’ll let it go.

 

I do think Doncaster and the likes have done this in a way that it perhaps makes it impossible to challenge but thats what lawyers are for.

That would involve an ounce of intelligence from Doncaster 

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Tom Hardy’s Dug

Can the barrack room lawyers on the last 5 pages please confirm what our legal case is and the basis of that legal case?

 

The one the Ann Budge is giving up on.

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JamboNation

We should  go to court of arbitration for sport as well on this must have a good case our competitors are changing the rules after the competition has started to intentionally relegate a team , if they push this through it will set Scottish football back years 

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lost in space
12 minutes ago, Jammy T said:

I know not many of you are lawyers but it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that if you don’t have any legal basis upon which to challenge a decision then you have nothing to fight and nothing to fight with. 
 

Budge isn’t giving up - there is no ****ing legal basis to appeal a members related vote - stitch up or not. ****ing engage your brains FFS.

I am no lawyer but I would think that Breach of Contract may be basis for a civil claim.

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9 minutes ago, washniklaw said:


Add Stranraer to the list. Saw their  representative taking about how disappointed they were with the proposal. Saying you wouldn’t award Usain Bolt the gold medal after 75m!

Fantastic. 

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10 minutes ago, Jambos1983 said:

That would involve an ounce of intelligence from Doncaster 

That would involve him covering his arse which he is good at.

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Jeremy Goss
21 minutes ago, lost in space said:

Surely Inverness MUST oppose - as they can go up through play-offs. If they do - proposal fails as they need 8 to back it and Partick and Dundee will also surely oppose.

So we only need 3 teams in the championship to oppose it and the whole thing is scuppered for every league?

 

cmon Robbo you know it makes sense!

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