Pasquale for King Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said: If we can use FOH funds to help prop up the club until football starts then thats fine. It would be even more satisfying if the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren go out of business because their pishy wee junkie fans cannot afford to support their shitty clubs. Hear hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 57 minutes ago, weehammy said: Surely FOH funds now going direct to the club must help to mitigate to some extent, albeit limited. Surely AB would allow it to be for some of her shareholding also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said: If we can use FOH funds to help prop up the club until football starts then thats fine. It would be even more satisfying if the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren go out of business because their pishy wee junkie fans cannot afford to support their shitty clubs. I don’t want to see ANY clubs going to the wall over this. For a start if the likes of St Mirren and Hamilton can’t survive this, just about every club below that level will probably go with them and some above that level. You’d end up with about 6 clubs left, and probably 4 of them in a right state for years to come. Scottish football as we know it would be finished. Apart from which I want to see us get back to a place where clubs like that are coming to Tynecastle and going away with nothing to show for their visit but a right good hiding. You might not think highly of their fan bases but at least they’re not catching a bus to Ibrox or Celtic Park every fortnight and the vast majority of them are common or garden football fans just like us. I dare say they have their share of pishy junky types but you only need to go to a few Hearts away games to see the nick of some of ‘our own’ Think carefully about what you wish for and think back a few years to when we were in real bother and some clubs helped us out a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost in space Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 36 minutes ago, Cruyff said: So far, it looks like against the proposal are for certain are, SPFL - Hearts, Rangers, Championship - Dundee, Partick League 1 - Falkirk Surely Inverness MUST oppose - as they can go up through play-offs. If they do - proposal fails as they need 8 to back it and Partick and Dundee will also surely oppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I know not many of you are lawyers but it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that if you don’t have any legal basis upon which to challenge a decision then you have nothing to fight and nothing to fight with. Budge isn’t giving up - there is no ****ing legal basis to appeal a members related vote - stitch up or not. ****ing engage your brains FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jammy T said: I know not many of you are lawyers but it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that if you don’t have any legal basis upon which to challenge a decision then you have nothing to fight and nothing to fight with. Budge isn’t giving up - there is no ****ing legal basis to appeal a members related vote - stitch up or not. ****ing engage your brains FFS. Depending on the order of the articles she hasnt said there is no legal option just that we havent come to that and if we do and then there is no option she’ll let it go. I do think Doncaster and the likes have done this in a way that it perhaps makes it impossible to challenge but thats what lawyers are for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washniklaw Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Cruyff said: So far, it looks like against the proposal are for certain are, SPFL - Hearts, Rangers, Championship - Dundee, Partick League 1 - Falkirk Add Stranraer to the list. Saw their representative taking about how disappointed they were with the proposal. Saying you wouldn’t award Usain Bolt the gold medal after 75m! Edited April 9, 2020 by washniklaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: Depending on the order of the articles she hasnt said there is no legal option just that we havent come to that and if we do and then there is no option she’ll let it go. I do think Doncaster and the likes have done this in a way that it perhaps makes it impossible to challenge but thats what lawyers are for. That would involve an ounce of intelligence from Doncaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) Can the barrack room lawyers on the last 5 pages please confirm what our legal case is and the basis of that legal case? The one the Ann Budge is giving up on. Edited April 9, 2020 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboNation Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 We should go to court of arbitration for sport as well on this must have a good case our competitors are changing the rules after the competition has started to intentionally relegate a team , if they push this through it will set Scottish football back years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washniklaw Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/ice-hockey/52223802 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washniklaw Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, washniklaw said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/ice-hockey/52223802 Far be it for conspiracy theories but the BBC have this under Ice Hockey! What’s that all about.... burying news? Edited April 9, 2020 by washniklaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost in space Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jammy T said: I know not many of you are lawyers but it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that if you don’t have any legal basis upon which to challenge a decision then you have nothing to fight and nothing to fight with. Budge isn’t giving up - there is no ****ing legal basis to appeal a members related vote - stitch up or not. ****ing engage your brains FFS. I am no lawyer but I would think that Breach of Contract may be basis for a civil claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, washniklaw said: Add Stranraer to the list. Saw their representative taking about how disappointed they were with the proposal. Saying you wouldn’t award Usain Bolt the gold medal after 75m! Fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jambos1983 said: That would involve an ounce of intelligence from Doncaster That would involve him covering his arse which he is good at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Goss Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, lost in space said: Surely Inverness MUST oppose - as they can go up through play-offs. If they do - proposal fails as they need 8 to back it and Partick and Dundee will also surely oppose. So we only need 3 teams in the championship to oppose it and the whole thing is scuppered for every league? cmon Robbo you know it makes sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie Deans Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: I don’t want to see ANY clubs going to the wall over this. For a start if the likes of St Mirren and Hamilton can’t survive this, just about every club below that level will probably go with them and some above that level. You’d end up with about 6 clubs left, and probably 4 of them in a right state for years to come. Scottish football as we know it would be finished. Apart from which I want to see us get back to a place where clubs like that are coming to Tynecastle and going away with nothing to show for their visit but a right good hiding. You might not think highly of their fan bases but at least they’re not catching a bus to Ibrox or Celtic Park every fortnight and the vast majority of them are common or garden football fans just like us. I dare say they have their share of pishy junky types but you only need to go to a few Hearts away games to see the nick of some of ‘our own’ Think carefully about what you wish for and think back a few years to when we were in real bother and some clubs helped us out a bit. Of let’s not and hope the basrstads die. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo1874 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Question. If SPFL call the league then afterwards say Hamilton go into administration what would happen. Would the league still stand as it was called beforehand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, robbo1874 said: Question. If SPFL call the league then afterwards say Hamilton go into administration what would happen. Would the league still stand as it was called beforehand? Yeah apparently you can’t be handed a 15 point penalty for a force majeure event like this pandemic. It wouldn’t be Hamilton, people still want their other LINE of business 😜. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, robbo1874 said: Question. If SPFL call the league then afterwards say Hamilton go into administration what would happen. Would the league still stand as it was called beforehand? Yes, and Hamilton would start on -15 next season. If they don’t survive admin then there is a gap in top league Edited April 9, 2020 by soonbe110 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 42 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: I don’t want to see ANY clubs going to the wall over this. For a start if the likes of St Mirren and Hamilton can’t survive this, just about every club below that level will probably go with them and some above that level. You’d end up with about 6 clubs left, and probably 4 of them in a right state for years to come. Scottish football as we know it would be finished. Apart from which I want to see us get back to a place where clubs like that are coming to Tynecastle and going away with nothing to show for their visit but a right good hiding. You might not think highly of their fan bases but at least they’re not catching a bus to Ibrox or Celtic Park every fortnight and the vast majority of them are common or garden football fans just like us. I dare say they have their share of pishy junky types but you only need to go to a few Hearts away games to see the nick of some of ‘our own’ Think carefully about what you wish for and think back a few years to when we were in real bother and some clubs helped us out a bit. It might be unpalatable to some but if any team goes bust then who are they going to invite back up? If the teams are having financial problems would they not want us back? Having said that they would all probably vote for someone else like Dundee over us. If a few teams go bust then reconstruction will need to happen anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo1874 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Yeah apparently you can’t be handed a 15 point penalty for a force majeure event like this pandemic. It wouldn’t be Hamilton, people still want their other LINE of business 😜. 👃💭 1 minute ago, soonbe110 said: Yes, and Hamilton would start on -15 next season. Cheers Wonder if any are waiting on that decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 40 minutes ago, lost in space said: Surely Inverness MUST oppose - as they can go up through play-offs. If they do - proposal fails as they need 8 to back it and Partick and Dundee will also surely oppose. They’d have to balance the chances of going up (very small) against the benefit of getting some cash in the near future - they are famously skint and were on the edge not so long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Yeah apparently you can’t be handed a 15 point penalty for a force majeure event like this pandemic. It wouldn’t be Hamilton, people still want their other LINE of business 😜. A force majeure means that due to 'unforseen circumstances'you can't fulfil a contract (i.e. SKY and BT). So what's all the carry on about SPFL having to pay them back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, RENE said: A force majeure means that due to 'unforseen circumstances'you can't fulfil a contract (i.e. SKY and BT). So what's all the carry on about SPFL having to pay them back. I think they would only pay it back if the season was null and void, if it's called now they don’t. I think it’s next seasons deal with Sky they’re worried about that’s supposed to start in August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Pasquale for King said: I think they would only pay it back if the season was null and void, if it's called now they don’t. I think it’s next seasons deal with Sky they’re worried about that’s supposed to start in August. Ok ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 29 minutes ago, Jeremy Goss said: So we only need 3 teams in the championship to oppose it and the whole thing is scuppered for every league? cmon Robbo you know it makes sense! Not really, no. This will be like the Brexit vote. They’ll vote and re vote until they get what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, robbo1874 said: 👃💭 Cheers Wonder if any are waiting on that decision Not sure if they would start next season on -15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 4 hours ago, spug said: That goes for me as well. Honestly, at my age life has bigger concerns. I enjoy football and Hearts but if we get demoted, **** it. I'm done. Was tartan army for 10 years, gave it up 3 or so year ago, not missed it. Will just chuck football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 surely 4 teams will vote against it hearts, rangers, hibs then just need one more Aberdeen or Motherwell ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Honestly, at my age life has bigger concerns. I enjoy football and Hearts but if we get demoted, **** it. I'm done. Was tartan army for 10 years, gave it up 3 or so year ago, not missed it. Will just chuck football. How often do you go to matches anyway ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: surely 4 teams will vote against it hearts, rangers, hibs then just need one more Aberdeen or Motherwell ? Why would Aberdeen or Motherwell vote against it? They’ll both get into Europe if it goes through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Fozzyonthefence said: Why would Aberdeen or Motherwell vote against it? They’ll both get into Europe if it goes through. potential extra cash of finishing above the other ? also if they end the league here and now surely they’d have no choice but to do the same with all competitions and scrap the Scottish cup. I don’t know enough about it, I reckon there’s another club that wouldn’t vote for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, luckydug said: How often do you go to matches anyway ? All home games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I find it difficult to accept the notion that Sky can take such an unflinching stance under the circumstances. People, cities, countries, governments, other sporting events are all having to adapt and be flexible in these strange times, why not Sky. Yes, a contract has been signed but this was, presumably, before this pandemic, and it's profound effects, were known. Is it even likely football can begin in August anyway? Many TV companies, BBC included, will have signed contracts to cover Wimbledon, for example. Are they all behaving as if Covid and it's worldwide impact shouldn't have any impact on them? If there is nothing to be gained by taking this demotion to court what about the football authorities? UEFA don't seem keen on declaring current tables as final. If this vote does go against us (and all that is fair and decent) could we not protest to them. The notion of Hearts being expelled from the top flight to keep Celtic and Sky sweet is disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 35 minutes ago, RENE said: A force majeure means that due to 'unforseen circumstances'you can't fulfil a contract (i.e. SKY and BT). So what's all the carry on about SPFL having to pay them back. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Honestly, at my age life has bigger concerns. I enjoy football and Hearts but if we get demoted, **** it. I'm done. Was tartan army for 10 years, gave it up 3 or so year ago, not missed it. Will just chuck football. If we all do that Tosh, Heart of Midlothian would die. All a bit cutting of your nose etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: potential extra cash of finishing above the other ? also if they end the league here and now surely they’d have no choice but to do the same with all competitions and scrap the Scottish cup. I don’t know enough about it, I reckon there’s another club that wouldn’t vote for it Don’t get your hopes up, we’re ****ed! Might not be after the first vote but it’s not going to go away and there’s zero chance of reconstruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sac Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 hours ago, GorgieRules22 said: Do you reckon she’s done a good job ? God help us if you do. Budge doesn’t kick a ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, sac said: Budge doesn’t kick a ball Thank God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Don’t get your hopes up, we’re ****ed! Might not be after the first vote but it’s not going to go away and there’s zero chance of reconstruction. I’d imagine there would be a lot less chance if this vote goes through tomorrow but again I’m struggling to understand it all, I don’t get why a reconstruction needs a higher amount of teams to vote for it and I also don’t get why this vote tomorrow has to pass before they conceded that surely that should be the alternative ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, sac said: Budge doesn’t kick a ball Buck stops at the top with any failed business. She makes the decisions, she’s responsible. Relegation will be her legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo66 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jammy T said: I know not many of you are lawyers but it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that if you don’t have any legal basis upon which to challenge a decision then you have nothing to fight and nothing to fight with. Budge isn’t giving up - there is no ****ing legal basis to appeal a members related vote - stitch up or not. ****ing engage your brains FFS. Am I to take it from that, that you are a lawyer and have come to the view that there is no legal basis to appeal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, sac said: Budge doesn’t kick a ball A pity. If she'd kicked either one or both of Levein's we might not be in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: potential extra cash of finishing above the other ? also if they end the league here and now surely they’d have no choice but to do the same with all competitions and scrap the Scottish cup. I don’t know enough about it, I reckon there’s another club that wouldn’t vote for it Motherwell would finish 3rd above Aberdeen if it’s voted through. Aberdeen might fancy finishing above them but are getting into Europe anyway for the Cup place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: potential extra cash of finishing above the other ? also if they end the league here and now surely they’d have no choice but to do the same with all competitions and scrap the Scottish cup. I don’t know enough about it, I reckon there’s another club that wouldn’t vote for it Motherwell would finish 3rd above Aberdeen if it’s voted through. Aberdeen might fancy finishing above them but are getting into Europe anyway for the Cup place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: potential extra cash of finishing above the other ? also if they end the league here and now surely they’d have no choice but to do the same with all competitions and scrap the Scottish cup. I don’t know enough about it, I reckon there’s another club that wouldn’t vote for it Motherwell would finish 3rd above Aberdeen if it’s voted through. Aberdeen might fancy finishing above them but are getting into Europe anyway for the Cup place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo66 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Don’t get your hopes up, we’re ****ed! Might not be after the first vote but it’s not going to go away and there’s zero chance of reconstruction. There appears to be little chance of reconstruction. However, others have previously pointed out that if the SPL is increased to 14 teams, everyone could play each other home and away, then split into 2 leagues of 7 and play each other home and away. Hey presto - 38 games for everyone and no nonsense about some teams having unequal home and away games or having to play someone 3 times away from home. It's not that difficult and the TV companies would have more games for their money into the bargain. The primary problem with this solution is what happens below the SPL, but it surely can't be beyond the club's to come up with something that works. For example, a Championship with 14 teams and a further division with 14 teams. Christ, it's not really that hard is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: potential extra cash of finishing above the other ? also if they end the league here and now surely they’d have no choice but to do the same with all competitions and scrap the Scottish cup. I don’t know enough about it, I reckon there’s another club that wouldn’t vote for it Motherwell would finish 3rd above Aberdeen if it’s voted through. Aberdeen might fancy finishing above them but are getting into Europe anyway for the Cup place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: potential extra cash of finishing above the other ? also if they end the league here and now surely they’d have no choice but to do the same with all competitions and scrap the Scottish cup. I don’t know enough about it, I reckon there’s another club that wouldn’t vote for it Motherwell would finish 3rd above Aberdeen if it’s voted through. Aberdeen might fancy finishing above them but are getting into Europe anyway for the Cup place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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