SPFL and Covid ( Championship clubs asked if they want to suspend )

[Barack]

https://www.sportekz.com/football/scottish-premiership-prize-money/

 

 

Try this. Just for context in terms of money at stake. Above, obviously this year for our league.

 

Below, was going on last year's distribution. It's increased another couple of percent  I think. 

 

Ladbrokes Championship
1st - 2.25% - £562,500 
2nd - 1.90% - £475,000 
3rd - 1.60% - £400,000 
4th - 1.30% - £325,000 
5th - 1.00% - £250,000 
6th - 0.90% - £225,000 
7th - 0.85% - £212,500 
8th - 0.80% - £200,000 
9th - 0.75% - £187,500 
10th - 0.70% - £175,000 

[Barack]

So, that's over £500k lost in purely league placement should we be sent down. Assuming we even finish first.

 

Then, add in TV revenue, of which I don't know the details of next year. Looking at probably north of a million and a bit. That's the minimum damages Hearts would go for.

[Last Laff]

3 hours ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

I work for the College of Medicine and Veterinary Medicine (CMVM), one of the colleges of of the University of Edinburgh.

 

Different high schools in different countries are doing different things. In England for example my Niece doesn’t yet know what they are going to do as far as grades and exams go. They are discussing it at present and may go with the prelim results, or with teacher recommendations. Still undecided as of yesterday. Our college takes on students from all over the world, and different countries have yet to decide what direction they are taking.

 

Not going to go further off topic by getting in to the nuts and bolts of free education for Scottish students, other than to say we have a good proportion of Scottish students at our school.

Where in CMVM do you work? Small world  

[luckydug]

2 hours ago, OTT said:

Common sense says Celtic were going to win the league. Our own relegation plight, I'd say we were probably going down, but its much tighter with more variables. We might have gotten our shit together against Accies and St Mirren after the split to stay up. 

 

A 14 team league is the most equitable solution for all concerned.

Dont forget we had a home game with Ross County to come. Win that and there is only three points between them and us. 

With each of the bottom six to play we were still well in the hunt. 

FWIW  I don't think Celtic should be given the title far to early to call. 

Season should be void with no relagation and the top two in the Championship making a new league of fourteen. 

[annushorribilis III]

2 hours ago, OTT said:

Common sense says Celtic were going to win the league. Our own relegation plight, I'd say we were probably going down, but its much tighter with more variables. We might have gotten our shit together against Accies and St Mirren after the split to stay up. 

 

A 14 team league is the most equitable solution for all concerned.

If common sense says Celtic were going to win the league then equally common sense says Hearts  were going to be relegated.  Whatever happens needs to happen according to the rules/defined process  : anything else will see AB in the courts for a judicial review and the SPFL know it. 

 

The 14 team league scenario is perfectly workable. 

[OTT]

1 minute ago, annushorribilis III said:

If common sense says Celtic were going to win the league then equally common sense says Hearts  were going to be relegated.  Whatever happens needs to happen according to the rules/defined process  : anything else will see AB in the courts for a judicial review and the SPFL know it. 

 

The 14 team league scenario is perfectly workable. 

 

I think its unlikely Celtic are going to lose many (if any) games to the end of the season. 

I suppose I'm getting caught up in the need to appease. Null and void with a 14 team top league going forward would probably be in everyones best interests going forward. League gets a bit of a refresh (still be 3/4 times a season though which is poor. Preference would be an 18 team top league, play each other twice - **** the TV money. 

[annushorribilis III]

Just now, OTT said:

 

I think its unlikely Celtic are going to lose many (if any) games to the end of the season. 

I suppose I'm getting caught up in the need to appease. Null and void with a 14 team top league going forward would probably be in everyones best interests going forward. League gets a bit of a refresh (still be 3/4 times a season though which is poor. Preference would be an 18 team top league, play each other twice - **** the TV money. 

I agree on the Celtic thing : equally , I have the same feeling about Hearts consistency in their inability to win games.

 

I agree with the "refresh" of the league and I'd welcome it (and not just because it would mean Hearts avoiding relegation). I think the sticking point is all about Celtic being awarded the league title as I think this will empower other clubs to talk up THEIR  league titles. 

[Last Laff]

Being reported Uefa are pushing indefinite extension to the current season for all leagues.

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

Being reported Uefa are pushing indefinite extension to the current season for all leagues.

That would interesting.

If no games are played this year maybe next season would be scrapped. 

[IveSeenTheLight]

9 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

Being reported Uefa are pushing indefinite extension to the current season for all leagues.

 

5 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

That would interesting.

If no games are played this year maybe next season would be scrapped. 

 

Looks like they are giving options to extend and allow extensions to contracts but it will be up to the individual associations to decide what is best for their leagues

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

 

Looks like they are giving options to extend and allow extensions to contracts but it will be up to the individual associations to decide what is best for their leagues

Possibly. 

[DETTY29]

McInnes definitely mentioned not wanting Hearts to be relegated when interviewed on Sportsound on Saturday.

 

I'm sure it was a live interview too.

[sac]

As some have mentioned, The Open, which was due to take place from the 16th to 19th July has now been cancelled, so can’t see any reason for football starting before then.

[Clerry Jambo]

25 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

McInnes definitely mentioned not wanting Hearts to be relegated when interviewed on Sportsound on Saturday.

 

I'm sure it was a live interview too.

Correct I was listening to it 

[JimmyCant]

1 hour ago, annushorribilis III said:

If common sense says Celtic were going to win the league then equally common sense says Hearts  were going to be relegated.  Whatever happens needs to happen according to the rules/defined process  : anything else will see AB in the courts for a judicial review and the SPFL know it. 

 

The 14 team league scenario is perfectly workable. 

Common sense tells you that Celtic would win the league right enough. Relegation is far too close to apply an arbitrary decision to though. That’s the precise opposite of common sense. Yes we COULD be relegated. Some would even say it’s highly likely. but it’s not a definite by any stretch and it needs to be decided on the park or not at all.
 

The most likely outcome is that this season will be finished whenever it can be and in as short a time frame as possible. Not more than 6 weeks from resumption to finish and probably mostly behind closed doors. Its not going to resume again until the infection rate comes down to negligible numbers per day and the restrictions are lifted enough to allow closed door games. That’s at least 6-8 weeks away IMO.

Edited April 6, 2020 by JimmyCant

[ToqueJambo]

1 hour ago, Last Laff said:

Being reported Uefa are pushing indefinite extension to the current season for all leagues.

 

Aberdeen and Hibs and anyone else taking the wage deferral approach right now:

 

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, Last Laff said:

Being reported Uefa are pushing indefinite extension to the current season for all leagues.

 

The desperation from UEFA to get their champions league cash is never ending, but fortunately governments will tell them what to do and there is nothing UEFA can do about it.

 

The player contract extension is also nonsense as the Bosman case prevents clubs retaining registrations once a contract expires if a player chooses to leave.

[Mikey1874]

50 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

McInnes definitely mentioned not wanting Hearts to be relegated when interviewed on Sportsound on Saturday.

 

I'm sure it was a live interview too.

 

Starts 43.12

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p088pj8s

[soonbe110]

2 hours ago, annushorribilis III said:

If common sense says Celtic were going to win the league then equally common sense says Hearts  were going to be relegated.  Whatever happens needs to happen according to the rules/defined process  : anything else will see AB in the courts for a judicial review and the SPFL know it. 

 

The 14 team league scenario is perfectly workable. 

Hardly. When did 10 or 13 = 4? 

[soonbe110]

1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

That would interesting.

If no games are played this year maybe next season would be scrapped. 

That would be the end of most clubs in Scotland including

 one of the big two I’d think. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, soonbe110 said:

That would be the end of most clubs in Scotland including

 one of the big two I’d think. 

There’s certainly no easy answer.

[normando]

14 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

There’s certainly no easy answer.

Scrap teams going into Europe next season finish this season.

Start new season and play games in midweek instead of games in Europe.  

[Last Laff]

46 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Aberdeen and Hibs and anyone else taking the wage deferral approach right now:

 

Im not sure how, they could just extend the deferrals or change plans.  It’s not really a competition either which seems to be your aim. 

[Last Laff]

42 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

The desperation from UEFA to get their champions league cash is never ending, but fortunately governments will tell them what to do and there is nothing UEFA can do about it.

 

The player contract extension is also nonsense as the Bosman case prevents clubs retaining registrations once a contract expires if a player chooses to leave.

All true.  It could end up good news for HMFC though 👍

[Texaco]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

The desperation from UEFA to get their champions league cash is never ending, but fortunately governments will tell them what to do and there is nothing UEFA can do about it.

 

The player contract extension is also nonsense as the Bosman case prevents clubs retaining registrations once a contract expires if a player chooses to leave.

 

UEFA dictate edicts not for sporting integrity but to protect the greed of those that run the biggest clubs in Europe. The elite club of clubs which Celtic and Rangers are so desperate to be part of dominate in some way all we do from the set up of the SPL to what and when we watch games. This global crisis is showing this side of football up as nasty horrible selfish business which filters down into undignified domestic squabbles.

 

All this hanging on the coattails of what ‘UEFA says goes’ is utter nonsense. Let's face it it's about basic survival now, not who gets to keep a snout in the UEFA pig trough. Indeed their trough may run very dry for some time. Unclosing national borders for ‘pleasure visits’ will be well down the list of priorities for countries during a un-lockdown period and a unified approach to free movement in Europe is unlikely until hotspots disappear and/or vaccinations have been proved reliable and widely available. UEFA’s powers do not extend to giving Football entourages special privileges to flout travel rules. The resumption of football games in public in each Country will come first and will ultimately be down to each country's governments. It is this more than anything that will dictate the survival of clubs and not the qualification for and resumption of cross border elitist tournaments. Whether it's the end of an old season or beginning of a new one, relegation or not or reconstruction should be a local matter only that serves the purpose of saving as many teams big and small from oblivion. 

[annushorribilis III]

2 hours ago, JimmyCant said:

Common sense tells you that Celtic would win the league right enough. Relegation is far too close to apply an arbitrary decision to though. That’s the precise opposite of common sense. Yes we COULD be relegated. Some would even say it’s highly likely. but it’s not a definite by any stretch and it needs to be decided on the park or not at all.
 

The most likely outcome is that this season will be finished whenever it can be and in as short a time frame as possible. Not more than 6 weeks from resumption to finish and probably mostly behind closed doors. Its not going to resume again until the infection rate comes down to negligible numbers per day and the restrictions are lifted enough to allow closed door games. That’s at least 6-8 weeks away IMO.

Celtic have been predictably successful as Hearts have been predictably unsuccessful. I don't see why using the "successful" logic sees Celtic potentially being crowned champions while using the same logic doesn't see Hearts relegated (ie , a winning team will keep on winning but a losing team will NOT keep on losing ?). 

 

It'a helluva conundrum for the SPFL but then it needn't be /shouldn't be because it 's made up of the member clubs. 

 

All the SPFL clubs have to do is put it to a vote and it's job done. 

 

 

[annushorribilis III]

2 hours ago, soonbe110 said:

Hardly. When did 10 or 13 = 4? 

Ok then.

[kingantti1874]

If we are relegated with 8 games left to play I will never ever pay to watch hearts away from home ever again.. there is no ****ing way I will ever ever give another club any money in any shape or form. 

[Mikey1874]

33 minutes ago, annushorribilis III said:

Celtic have been predictably successful as Hearts have been predictably unsuccessful. I don't see why using the "successful" logic sees Celtic potentially being crowned champions while using the same logic doesn't see Hearts relegated (ie , a winning team will keep on winning but a losing team will NOT keep on losing ?). 

 

It'a helluva conundrum for the SPFL but then it needn't be /shouldn't be because it 's made up of the member clubs. 

 

All the SPFL clubs have to do is put it to a vote and it's job done. 

 

 

 

Well Hamilton, St Mirren and Ross County are pretty shite too and could be comfortably caught in 8 games. 

 

Conundrum indeed. 

[Fozzyonthefence]

33 minutes ago, annushorribilis III said:

Celtic have been predictably successful as Hearts have been predictably unsuccessful. I don't see why using the "successful" logic sees Celtic potentially being crowned champions while using the same logic doesn't see Hearts relegated (ie , a winning team will keep on winning but a losing team will NOT keep on losing ?). 

 

It'a helluva conundrum for the SPFL but then it needn't be /shouldn't be because it 's made up of the member clubs. 

 

All the SPFL clubs have to do is put it to a vote and it's job done. 

 

 

The decision would be made by the SPFL board not the member clubs.  A vote on league reconstruction, however, would go out to the member clubs.  This is the current SPFL Board (only 3 of them appear to be affiliated to Premiership clubs, although I have no idea who MacLennan and McCluskey are):

[GorgieRules22]

5 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

If we are relegated with 8 games left to play I will never ever pay to watch hearts away from home ever again.. there is no ****ing way I will ever ever give another club any money in any shape or form. 

A sentiment that every Hearts supporter should share.

[Fozzyonthefence]

3 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said:

A sentiment that every Hearts supporter should share.

Why is everyone taking aim at the clubs when it isn’t their decision?!  

[Nookie Bear]

2 hours ago, Texaco said:

 

UEFA dictate edicts not for sporting integrity but to protect the greed of those that run the biggest clubs in Europe. The elite club of clubs which Celtic and Rangers are so desperate to be part of dominate in some way all we do from the set up of the SPL to what and when we watch games. This global crisis is showing this side of football up as nasty horrible selfish business which filters down into undignified domestic squabbles.

 

All this hanging on the coattails of what ‘UEFA says goes’ is utter nonsense. Let's face it it's about basic survival now, not who gets to keep a snout in the UEFA pig trough. Indeed their trough may run very dry for some time. Unclosing national borders for ‘pleasure visits’ will be well down the list of priorities for countries during a un-lockdown period and a unified approach to free movement in Europe is unlikely until hotspots disappear and/or vaccinations have been proved reliable and widely available. UEFA’s powers do not extend to giving Football entourages special privileges to flout travel rules. The resumption of football games in public in each Country will come first and will ultimately be down to each country's governments. It is this more than anything that will dictate the survival of clubs and not the qualification for and resumption of cross border elitist tournaments. Whether it's the end of an old season or beginning of a new one, relegation or not or reconstruction should be a local matter only that serves the purpose of saving as many teams big and small from oblivion. 

I think it’s reasonable as things stand to wait for UEFA’s guidance in this but, ultimately, the final decision rests with the respective governments. 
 

It would be grossly unfair if the German government gave the all clear for, say, closed door games to take place, allowing them to comply with UEFA whilst our government extends the ban on even closed door games happening. 

[kingantti1874]

5 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said:

A sentiment that every Hearts supporter should share.

Without doubt. It must be organised - over the years will cost clubs far more than the pishy prizemoney on offer..

[kingantti1874]

1 minute ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

Why is everyone taking aim at the clubs when it isn’t their decision?!  

Do you think they are not behind it. ? 

[Baxfee]

9 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

The decision would be made by the SPFL board not the member clubs.  A vote on league reconstruction, however, would go out to the member clubs.  This is the current SPFL Board (only 3 of them appear to be affiliated to Premiership clubs, although I have no idea who MacLennan and McCluskey are):

Karyn mc is CE of community justice Scotland and has done loads of work to combat violence. Lovely woman but no idea where she stands on footie 

[GorgieRules22]

7 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

Why is everyone taking aim at the clubs when it isn’t their decision?!  

Being honest if we’re relegated with 24 points still to play for I’ll not be attending any semi final if that we’re to still go ahead  either. I’ll continue to put money into the Foundation and buy three season tickets but I’ll not be putting any money whatsoever in the pocket of anyone else connected with Scottish football other than our own club.

[Fozzyonthefence]

1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:

Do you think they are not behind it. ? 

Only the ones that are on the Board but unless it’s unanimous we won’t know who’s voted what way.  Quite happy to boycott Rangers, Hamilton and Motherwell though as I never go there anyway.

 

 

[Fozzyonthefence]

10 minutes ago, Baxfee said:

Karyn mc is CE of community justice Scotland and has done loads of work to combat violence. Lovely woman but no idea where she stands on footie 

👍 Hopefully she’s a Jambo!

[Kiwidoug]

We have a global virus which clearly has the potential to take the life of the UK Prime Minister and thousands of others and celric want the league fixtures completed.

Pathetic.

[Nookie Bear]

1 minute ago, Kiwidoug said:

We have a global virus which clearly has the potential to take the life of the UK Prime Minister and thousands of others and celric want the league fixtures completed.

Pathetic.

I think everyone wants the fixtures completed, just not at any cost. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

There’s no way we should be relegated with these games left.

 

**** Budge and Levein, though, for putting us in harm’s way.

[Doc Rob]

I just don’t see any practical way to complete the season. By the time football can resume, loads of players will be out of contract and many clubs may struggle to raise a team. And what do you do after the games are complete? Hearts (for example, but we wouldn’t be alone) wouldn’t be able to set a budget and sign players for the following season before knowing what division we would be in. So you couldn’t just go straight into the new season.

 

I still think that they will eventually declare the season void, because any other solution involves declaring Celtic champions, which would be massively contentious. Easier to just pretend it never happened, and they have plenty practice at that after the Sevco fiasco. (I think the fairest solution would be to have a 14-team league next year, but I don’t think they will go for that because they don’t want to upset the Orcs).

[Jamboelite]

1 hour ago, annushorribilis III said:

Ok then.

Ok what ? its a perfectly reasonable comment.

 

Probability stats would show that a 13 or 10 gap will bear out a result more often than not and a 4 point gap wouldnt.

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said:

Without doubt. It must be organised - over the years will cost clubs far more than the pishy prizemoney on offer..

 

Trouble is fans would flock to away games if we were back up the top of the league challenging for 2nd and pushing the team at the top. We (fans) have very short memories when it comes to our clubs. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

There’s no way we should be relegated with these games left.

 

**** Budge and Levein, though, for putting us in harm’s way.

 

You's be as well saying **** the Chinese communist regime for putting us (all as it happens) in harms way. 

[Mr Elwood P]

1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

There’s no way we should be relegated with these games left.

 

**** Budge and Levein, though, for putting us in harm’s way.

If only the new gaffer had been given a run of very winnable games against bottom

six opponents, we might have stood a chance. 
 

Incidentally, if a global pandemic had broken out during Levein’s tenure, we would not be having this discussion ... 

[annushorribilis III]

2 hours ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

The decision would be made by the SPFL board not the member clubs.  A vote on league reconstruction, however, would go out to the member clubs.  This is the current SPFL Board (only 3 of them appear to be affiliated to Premiership clubs, although I have no idea who MacLennan and McCluskey are):

I never said it would be made by the clubs. 

[Fozzyonthefence]

3 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said:

If only the new gaffer had been given a run of very winnable games against bottom

six opponents, we might have stood a chance. 
 

Incidentally, if a global pandemic had broken out during Levein’s tenure, we would not be having this discussion ... 

 

Yawn

[Fozzyonthefence]

2 minutes ago, annushorribilis III said:

I never said it would be made by the clubs. 

You did say : All the SPFL clubs have to do is put it to a vote and it's job done.