hmfc_liam06 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: They’re really going to town on us today. The good news is it sounds like he will want to leave. He said it took time to get used to having no time on the ball, when do you get that in the English Championship either 🤷🏾♂️🤔? I went to a Birmingham game in December and was amazed at how much time they get on the ball. It's 100x faster up here* *Obviously from a small sample of what I've witnessed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Batistuta87 said: Apprarently in England alone it is expected that over 1,500 footballers will become "unemployed" over the next couple of months. That's a scary number, but many clubs will have no option but to terminate contracts if they want to survive. I can see a number of top flight Scottish clubs being in serious financial trouble after (or during) all this too. St Johnstone in particular I think will have problems. I just remember the situation with Matty Kennedy and that it sounded like they were skint. Considering that they were in a relegation battle, I was amazed that they accepted such a small fee to let him move to Aberdeen in January rather than at the end of the season. I think Hearts are one of the luckier clubs in this situation. Our FoH contributions will go a long way to ensuring we can keep paying the players we want to keep and to let us negotiate deals to move on those we don't. I think we will emerge from this as one of the stronger teams in Scotland, despite probably being in the Championship, and will have our pick of the free agents looking to Scotland for a club. I would however like to see us selling more season tickets and am slightly concerned at our initial low numbers, because that's money right into the club's bank account. I know we're maybe not going to see a lot of football at Tynecastle next year but the club are guaranteeing us all 18 home games - even if they need to carry over to next season - so we're still going to get our money's worth. Chances are that season ticket holders will also get to watch via Hearts TV while we can't actually go to games too, so I've renewed mine and my wee boy's. Clubs will also have smaller squads with less income. I think Wright wanted Kennedy to stay and the sold him anyway, one of the reasons he fell out with the board. I think the ST situation is a combination of finance deal, people in furlough or losing their jobs, what league we will be in and finally getting rid of Levein. I would expect more to be taken up shortly. FoH payments help as do cuts and furlough scheme, we might need a few more off the wage bill if we are demoted. Hopefully the next raft of signings are off a better quality and we might need to restructure the bonus system too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, hmfc_liam06 said: I went to a Birmingham game in December and was amazed at how much time they get on the ball. It's 100x faster up here* *Obviously from a small sample of what I've witnessed I don’t really watch that much to be honest but it seems a bit blood and thunder too? Maybe bigger pitches at bigger grounds make a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said: I don’t really watch that much to be honest but it seems a bit blood and thunder too? Maybe bigger pitches at bigger grounds make a difference? Aye maybe. Lee gets a lot of stick for sauntering about but I figure it's just what it's like down there. There was definitely no real impetus at this game anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, hmfc_liam06 said: Aye maybe. Lee gets a lot of stick for sauntering about but I figure it's just what it's like down there. There was definitely no real impetus at this game anyway. Let’s just hope he goes to a league where he’s more suited then 👍🏽👋🏿. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Pasquale for King said: Let’s just hope he goes to a league where he’s more suited then 👍🏽👋🏿. He can saunter himself to ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Last Laff said: Hopefully this ****ing chancer: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/loic-damour-hearts-confession-midfielder-22013380 He signed because “hearts offered me a contract I couldn’t refuse” Four years. Cheers Craig. G T F Damour. Not interested in playing for us next season if we're relegated - a position we're only in because of the players and that includes you (probably more so than some others since you were utterly useless every minute of every game you played). Total shambles of a signing, and it now turns out he's a total fud as well. Get rid of him, now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husref musemic Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Last Laff said: Hopefully this ****ing chancer: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/loic-damour-hearts-confession-midfielder-22013380 He signed because “hearts offered me a contract I couldn’t refuse” Four years. Cheers Craig. I'm struggling for words... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 So he says he wants to leave as it’s not interesting ( if we go down) but he might need to stay because the contract he’s got is good for him . Oh great we’ll have a player earning good money and who’s not interested , take a bow CL ,this must be up there with the best of your ****ups . Question tho , did no one actually query the decision to offer this deal , too many yes men, not enough balls to ask, fear of being ostracised for doing so ? Why did no one query it 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His name is Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Slightly of tpoic, come the end of the month, Hamilton will only have 6 players on the books. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hamilton-academical-fc/kader/verein/2999/saison_id/2019/plus/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, His name is said: Slightly of tpoic, come the end of the month, Hamilton will only have 6 players on the books. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hamilton-academical-fc/kader/verein/2999/saison_id/2019/plus/1 Interesting indeed - so their wage bill will be next to nothing whilst we're all shut down which will obviously see them through. Would you take any of them at Hearts? I'd possibly consider Gogic but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, His name is said: Slightly of tpoic, come the end of the month, Hamilton will only have 6 players on the books. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hamilton-academical-fc/kader/verein/2999/saison_id/2019/plus/1 This got me looking at others... Killie will only have five! https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kilmarnock-fc/kader/verein/2553 Squad full of loan players.... Also had a look at Barnsley and a couple of DS' signings could be available - Radlinger (GK) and Bahre (CM) are out of contract and he brought them both from Hannover, and they're both quite decent (Bahre being vice captain at only 24). He also brought Kilian Ludewig but he was only on loan and unlikely a player like him (whose parent club is RB Salzburg) will fancy a season with Hearts. Edited May 12, 2020 by Batistuta87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 What a ****ing cheek Damour has. He's been better for the opposition than for us in most his games. 🤬🤬🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Lothian Jambo Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 The money we'll by paying Loic Damour would make your eyes water I suspect. This is a guy recruited from English Championship club who had been Premiership side only months earlier That type of player isn't coming for any less than £5k a week minimum. Probably more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackford Hearts Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Last Laff said: Hopefully this ****ing chancer: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/loic-damour-hearts-confession-midfielder-22013380 He signed because “hearts offered me a contract I couldn’t refuse” Four years. Cheers Craig. In fairness he never said he would leave, the Daily Rag just made up that bit to make a negative headline. We all knew he got a big contract that was for 4 years. Another no news negative article! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, neilnunb said: What a ****ing cheek Damour has. He's been better for the opposition than for us in most his games. 🤬🤬🤬 Exactly! Clause 12 bye bye thanks for sod all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisysback Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 On 09/05/2020 at 12:22, jbee647 said: You are probably right, unfortunately another rebuild required, like last time we will need to sign players to get us out the championship, no danger we will manage it with a bunch of kids, the likes of Harry Cochrane and Anthony McDonald will get eaten up in the championship (I do believe they could be decent players someday) We will need Gomis and Bauben type players to get us straight back up, then another rebuild when we come back to the premiership McDonald played 15 times for ICT under Robbo when they got to the play offs and he was out for 2 months injured, he didnt get eaten up then so very much doubt 2 years older, stronger he would now. Harry was a linchpin in the cm of Hearts team against international players so doubt he would get eaten up. They are not wee boys anymore, 19yrs old, much more capable of handling physicality even though they have never been eaten up in games before. This is the kind of approach we should have, a core of young energetic fearlees players aided by senior pros. A chance to shape the club away from the scattergun approach of Levein and MacPhee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 hours ago, East Lothian Jambo said: The money we'll by paying Loic Damour would make your eyes water I suspect. This is a guy recruited from English Championship club who had been Premiership side only months earlier That type of player isn't coming for any less than £5k a week minimum. Probably more He probably has cost us as many points as Pereira. I have lost track of the amount of times he lost possession in front of the defence leading to us losing a goal. We should use the pandemic clause in his contract to get rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Lothian Jambo Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said: He probably has cost us as many points as Pereira. I have lost track of the amount of times he lost possession in front of the defence leading to us losing a goal. We should use the pandemic clause in his contract to get rid of him. Agreed. A desperate disappointment and a complete waste of money I'm equally furious with the way our club has been run as I am with the governance and corruption in the game up here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 The cash spunked on shite like Damour etc,if figures are to believed we could get guys like Nisbet from Dunfermine,other young players in the SPFL out of contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, neilnunb said: What a ****ing cheek Damour has. He's been better for the opposition than for us in most his games. 🤬🤬🤬 ie v hibs & celtic at tyney mom for them 😡😡😡💩💩💩💩💩💩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozi Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 years to the day since Budgement day, we seem to have come fully circle. Scottish football is in turmoil and we have so many players on our books that simply are not good enough. No matter what happens to us as a club, we need a shake up like that day, out with the dross, shake up the coaching staff, bring in fresh ideas, wherever we are playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Leveins Battalion said: The cash spunked on shite like Damour etc,if figures are to believed we could get guys like Nisbet from Dunfermine,other young players in the SPFL out of contract. There is no guarantee Nisbet will be any better than we already have. There are many players like him (Reilly, Wyness etc) who managed to be prolific in the lower divisions but pony in the top division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmack Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Exactly! Clause 12 bye bye thanks for sod all Not sure that'll happen after previously agreeing wage reductions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 On 09/05/2020 at 13:04, jambopilms said: Two decent solid professional midfielders needed, like mentioned before in Prince and Gomis Bozanic and Lee are as good as they two. Would stroll the championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 hours ago, bigmack said: Not sure that'll happen after previously agreeing wage reductions I think the law allows for redundancy if it's financially necessary which is highly likely if we are in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) We'll have no bother building the best side in that league if we have the right man in charge. I'd like Robbo, but if we're going to build around youngsters could Andy Kirk be the man, as Neilson was? In a division with Hibs, Rangers and a half-decent Falkirk side, young, inexperienced players like Walker, Nicholson, King, McHattie, McGhee and Holt more than held their own. Only three of those really established themselves at Premiership level. Others like Bauben, Keatings, Wilson, Gomis and co had decent experience but had never hit the heights. They were standouts in the league. Keatings wasn't even a regular for us and got lots of goals. Added to that were some random loans and players whose careers had faltered recently through injury or whatever like Sow, Pallardo, Ozturk and Eckersley. Other youngsters slotted in as needed for 5-10 games. There's no doubt Neilson's knowledge of the young players and experience working with them helped there. My big worry about which players to retain is identifying which ones are up for it and which ones have been badly affected by last season. We started with a lot of confidence last time down there and will want to do that again. It might not be possible with a lot of the same players. Edited May 13, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, jonesy said: Which sport? They're starting a new dodgeball team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 7 hours ago, JamboAl said: There is no guarantee Nisbet will be any better than we already have. There are many players like him (Reilly, Wyness etc) who managed to be prolific in the lower divisions but pony in the top division. You're right about that. It's a big step up from the Championship. Mind you, we'll be in the Championship but we want players who can become good enough to be top 4 SPFL players when we are eventually promoted. No point in signing players for one season and binning them the next. Also, playing for Hearts comes with expectations that the current lot can't handle. So it's not just about being good enough, it is also about whether they have the bottle to consistently perform to that level of expectation. I don't know a lot about this lad Nisbet but if we had actual decent scouts, maybe they would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown- Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I don't know who will stay or go but 75% of these useless fuds can GTF we are in the position we are today precisely because of their abysmal performances aon field nd abysmal off field management too. We need to clear out the stables. The young players excepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 11 hours ago, JamboAl said: There is no guarantee Nisbet will be any better than we already have. There are many players like him (Reilly, Wyness etc) who managed to be prolific in the lower divisions but pony in the top division. Oh well let's never look to take a promising player from a lower division and develop ever again.Let's go to the English championship and sign 29 year old who couldn't give a shit.🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvo69 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Genuine question but considering the wages half the squad were in why would a relegation clause be put in? I assume it’s by the club as opposed the players? Say Boyce gets £6k a week why would we even think of being relegated with a £6k a week striker unless of course it’s just standard practise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Can we please stop the Nisbet chat Dunfermline turned down more than half a million for him in January. What makes folk think he's an attainable target for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 33 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said: Can we please stop the Nisbet chat Dunfermline turned down more than half a million for him in January. What makes folk think he's an attainable target for us? Wouldn't risk it personally. Could end up being another Wighton, and being utterly useless in the big league. I'm really keen to see how Shankland does next season. I wonder if he'll be anywhere near as prolific. I'm sure there's some free agent or pre-contacts goalscorers out there, its just up to our scouting team to find them. In fact I'm 100% certain of it - a quick look at Transfermrkt gives literally hundreds of options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Batistuta87 said: Wouldn't risk it personally. Could end up being another Wighton, and being utterly useless in the big league. I'm really keen to see how Shankland does next season. I wonder if he'll be anywhere near as prolific. I'm sure there's some free agent or pre-contacts goalscorers out there, its just up to our scouting team to find them. In fact I'm 100% certain of it - a quick look at Transfermrkt gives literally hundreds of options. I had Dundee United moving for Nisbet this summer after Shankland moved on. Not sure how it'll play out now mind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Craig WIghton is more than capable of scoring 20 goals in a Championship season. He is obviously a guy with a lot of a talent and equally fragile confidence... a duck shoot in the Championship may actually be exactly what his career needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 hours ago, salvo69 said: Genuine question but considering the wages half the squad were in why would a relegation clause be put in? I assume it’s by the club as opposed the players? Say Boyce gets £6k a week why would we even think of being relegated with a £6k a week striker unless of course it’s just standard practise We were bottom of the League when we signed Boyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said: I had Dundee United moving for Nisbet this summer after Shankland moved on. Not sure how it'll play out now mind you. Utd did it the right way with shankland. They signed a proven goal scorer at the level they were at. So, worse case scenario they paid money for a guy whose goals essentially got them promoted. As a bonus they now Get to see if he can do it in the premiership. Almost like a free hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said: I had Dundee United moving for Nisbet this summer after Shankland moved on. Not sure how it'll play out now mind you. Yeah heard this too - they wanted about £3M from QPR for Shankland though and don't think that's gonna happen right now. But aye if there is a buyer out there then £3M in for Shankland and £500k or so out on Nisbet would be a superb bit of business for them. Again it would be risky as there's no guarantee that Nisbet will score enough goals in the Premiership to keep them up but would give them some money in the bank for strengthening their team for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Yeah heard this too - they wanted about £3M from QPR for Shankland though and don't think that's gonna happen right now. But aye if there is a buyer out there then £3M in for Shankland and £500k or so out on Nisbet would be a superb bit of business for them. Again it would be risky as there's no guarantee that Nisbet will score enough goals in the Premiership to keep them up but would give them some money in the bank for strengthening their team for next season. Yeah makes perfect sense for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NlGHTMARE Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 On 12/05/2020 at 13:51, Batistuta87 said: This got me looking at others... Killie will only have five! https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kilmarnock-fc/kader/verein/2553 Squad full of loan players.... Also had a look at Barnsley and a couple of DS' signings could be available - Radlinger (GK) and Bahre (CM) are out of contract and he brought them both from Hannover, and they're both quite decent (Bahre being vice captain at only 24). He also brought Kilian Ludewig but he was only on loan and unlikely a player like him (whose parent club is RB Salzburg) will fancy a season with Hearts. Bahrë is absolutely dog SHlT, and we didn’t sign Ludwig until January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 14 hours ago, David McCaig said: Craig WIghton is more than capable of scoring 20 goals in a Championship season. He is obviously a guy with a lot of a talent and equally fragile confidence... a duck shoot in the Championship may actually be exactly what his career needs. I’m not really sure if his career so far would really show this to be the truth, he’s no Lawrence Shankland or even Gavin Reilly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 14 hours ago, buzzbomb said: Utd did it the right way with shankland. They signed a proven goal scorer at the level they were at. So, worse case scenario they paid money for a guy whose goals essentially got them promoted. As a bonus they now Get to see if he can do it in the premiership. Almost like a free hit He was on a free but was on high wages I think, their 133% wages to turnover ratio finally paid off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 17 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said: Can we please stop the Nisbet chat Dunfermline turned down more than half a million for him in January. What makes folk think he's an attainable target for us? He’s in the last year of his contract, pre contract in January if games are back by then, its the kind of move we should be making to take players off these clubs that voted to demote us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 On 13/05/2020 at 01:22, jonesy said: Which sport? Orange peeling ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 17 hours ago, salvo69 said: Genuine question but considering the wages half the squad were in why would a relegation clause be put in? I assume it’s by the club as opposed the players? Say Boyce gets £6k a week why would we even think of being relegated with a £6k a week striker unless of course it’s just standard practise It is standard practice in all contracts apparently, wonder if Messi has it 🤷🏾♂️🤔😜? It’s a bit like clause 12 up here anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: He was on a free but was on high wages I think, their 133% wages to turnover ratio finally paid off. The point I was trying to make was no one was willing to take a chance on him at a higher level. UTD had the luxury of using him at a level where he was proven and which would massively help them get promoted. So, he made a big contribution to promotion and UTD now get to see if he can do it at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambmoz Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: He’s in the last year of his contract, pre contract in January if games are back by then, its the kind of move we should be making to take players off these clubs that voted to demote us. Relegation removes us from the running for this type of transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 22 hours ago, David McCaig said: Craig WIghton is more than capable of scoring 20 goals in a Championship season. He is obviously a guy with a lot of a talent and equally fragile confidence... a duck shoot in the Championship may actually be exactly what his career needs. imo .doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Hearts007 said: imo .doubt it He was scoring a goal every two games at Arbroath and has been pretty prolific in Reserve matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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