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28 minutes ago, swedishjambo said:

 

Nail on head.

 

The governance of the football side is bloated and terrible. So many cooks... and not convinced by Murray at all.

 

 

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And the Telegraph reporting that EPL Clubs now looking at wage deferrals of up to 50% with the Professional Footballers Association (PFA) being asked to support the requests for wage cuts. Looks like everyone is going down this route.

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2 minutes ago, David Bennett said:

And the Telegraph reporting that EPL Clubs now looking at wage deferrals of up to 50% with the Professional Footballers Association (PFA) being asked to support the requests for wage cuts. Looks like everyone is going down this route.

So Anne's gone from tight fisted trade slaver to visionary in the Scottish press? 

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12 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

I don't see what the problem is, even if the e-mail was sent after the players were asked to take a percentage of pay.

Clubs will need to plan ahead, players will be out of contract and need to be replaced.

It appears that your player Clevid Dikamona has opted to leave (with an option to return), so why shouldn't Hearts (and indeed all clubs) be looking ahead for what options they could make to the playing squad.

 

Let's say hypothetically that Boyce also opts to leave, why shouldn't Hearts look at who else they could get in to replace him.

Maybe they opt for someone on lower wages to suit an altered budget

 

Being prepared does not mean that your cutting anyone out or being disrespectful, I'd expect all clubs to be looking at various options

Don't see a problem with this. Eight or nine players out of contract or on loan.   That will free up monies.  'fail to prepare...prepare to fail.'

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5 minutes ago, David Bennett said:

And the Telegraph reporting that EPL Clubs now looking at wage deferrals of up to 50% with the Professional Footballers Association (PFA) being asked to support the requests for wage cuts. Looks like everyone is going down this route.

I can’t see deferrals bring implemented up here, the clubs won’t have the money to pay them at a future date either, it would impact on your budget down the line. I think the 50% is fair enough when we could suspend all payments, now with the UK govt paying 80% up to £2500 a month helping too.

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18 hours ago, Notts1874 said:

Just generally shite. Apart from running to the paper. Superb at that.


As a wee laddie used to deliver tittle tattle papers.

 

Now as a has-been ex-journeyman, he just delivers tittle tattle to the papers.

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24 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I can’t see deferrals bring implemented up here, the clubs won’t have the money to pay them at a future date either, it would impact on your budget down the line. I think the 50% is fair enough when we could suspend all payments, now with the UK govt paying 80% up to £2500 a month helping too.

Is that not just a variation of the theme you're propounding elsewhere ie putting down a hefty ST deposit which also will impact on the budget down the line?

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1 hour ago, swedishjambo said:


He’s almost as much of a cock and a disappointment in maroon as that fat waster ‘Biscuits’ is/was.

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5 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Is that not just a variation of the theme you're propounding elsewhere ie putting down a hefty ST deposit which also will impact on the budget down the line?

 

The £1 million Ann Budge mentioned 

 

1. We hopefully get the money from the Cup semi final (and final) further down the line.

 

2. It's more likely the home games of current season won't be played. Though again they might be and we have the income. There are uncertainties around season ticket discount/ refund.

 

3. Bookings for the facilities have been lost. Not included in the £1 million.

 

A deferral might be possible. But a cut is certain. 

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3 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


He’s almost as much of a cock and a disappointment in maroon as that fat waster ‘Biscuits’ is/was.

 

He actually spoke well on Sportsound on Saturday. Could not fault Ann Budge over reacting to the virus. But I think not actually being involved in a football club so not understanding you always have to be thinking of getting in new players especially given a deal is normally at least 3 months to arrange. He is out of touch with how football clubs operate. 

 

Boyd, McManus, Preston etc too. Which is mystifying. 

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1 hour ago, Koolkeith said:

If the email exists and was sent in the last few days, how hard is it to screenshot the email.


Maybe because it would incriminate Preston, and the sleekit fat **** doesn’t have the courage to admit that he is the one behind the story?

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19 minutes ago, TWF said:

An announcement from Germany that Dortmund and Bayern Munich are cutting their players wages. Interesting?

 

According to McAnus, we can't compare these teams situations to the one Hearts are in.

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1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

It’s been mooted already, even a down payment of £2/300 if taken up by 10k is £2/3m.

I'd be happy with this

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3 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said:

 

According to McAnus, we can't compare these teams situations to the one Hearts are in.


Because none of those other clubs repeatedly bent him and his team mates over?

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Anyone stressing over this e mail needs to go and volunteer for NHS service, you clearly are wasting time and energy where it could be better placed

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18 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

These “leaks” are what happens when football clubs become “jobs for the boys” environments. 


Don’t think anyone forced Preston to circulate the email though, tbf.

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4 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Anyone stressing over this e mail needs to go and volunteer for NHS service, you clearly are wasting time and energy where it could be better placed

 

Take it you are volunteering?

 

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20 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Anyone stressing over this e mail needs to go and volunteer for NHS service, you clearly are wasting time and energy where it could be better placed


Sorry but you can’t use that argument for everything you disagree with. 
 

You are wasting energy replying to the email for start, plus all your other posts recently 🙂

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2 hours ago, kila said:

 

Nail on head.

 

The governance of the football side is bloated and terrible. So many cooks... and not convinced by Murray at all.

 

 

Has anyone actually seen this email from John Murray? 

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2 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

I can’t see deferrals bring implemented up here, the clubs won’t have the money to pay them at a future date either, it would impact on your budget down the line. I think the 50% is fair enough when we could suspend all payments, now with the UK govt paying 80% up to £2500 a month helping too.

They would be able to make up say three months deferrals in future. If

Would just mean that any future signings would need to be on lower salaries than recent and current signings. If it’s 9-12 months deferrals then I agree with your comment. 

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The email is terrible optics, but lets not kid ourselves every club will be looking towards planning for next season. 

 

Budge really needs to review where this leak is coming from and plug it. We're getting the boot properly stuck in from the press. 

 

Also, its probably a decent pretext to get rid of Murray finally. His recruitment record reads like a horror story. Cannot continue to allow this man to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds every year with impunity. 

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2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Has anyone actually seen this email from John Murray? 

 

Don't need to see the email to say that the football governance is bloated and unprofessional. The latter was Stendel's first remark when he arrived.

 

MacPhee wasted time in January trying to entice Stendel with players O'Neill wanted rid of at Stoke before he ****ed off to Barbados. Levein apparently busy sorting out the medical department after telling the players Stendel didn't want at the gates of Riccarton they weren't needed anymore.

 

Too many rotten cooks at the top and a clean sweep once the world resumes is needed.

 

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1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The £1 million Ann Budge mentioned 

 

1. We hopefully get the money from the Cup semi final (and final) further down the line.

 

2. It's more likely the home games of current season won't be played. Though again they might be and we have the income. There are uncertainties around season ticket discount/ refund.

 

3. Bookings for the facilities have been lost. Not included in the £1 million.

 

A deferral might be possible. But a cut is certain. 

Yes, it was a pretty straightforward statement she made. Loss of income from four remaining home league games and the cup semi-final together with all normal non-football income drying up means we will be short of cash in April. The club costs £1.2m  per month to run roughly. Not sure how anyone doesn’t get that. Those revenue items would have taken us through to end April cash flow wise. Normally season ticket sales would be about to start around that time so cash wise the club would have been healthy. Clearly the longer the football authorities dither then these are not going on sale. 
Not sure how a simple statement re April’s cash flow became the signal for the widespread media rush that we are bust and going into Admin again. When it comes to finance in football it’s pretty clear that the media’s finance reporters and not football pundits are the ones who should be listened to. Stewart, McManus, Patullo, Boyd, Leckie et al have proven time after time that their financial knowledge is extremely limited. 

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3 hours ago, TypoonJambo said:

So Anne's gone from tight fisted trade slaver to visionary in the Scottish press? 

Not a fan of Budge but there was nothing wrong with asking staff to take a cut to save a business.


Of course the Scottish footballing media, most of whom aren’t the brightest bulbs in the floodlight so to speak, will conveniently forget their incredibly short sighted & point missing rage once other clubs, leagues, indeed businesses in general across the board, do likewise.

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3 hours ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

I don't see what the problem is, even if the e-mail was sent after the players were asked to take a percentage of pay.

Clubs will need to plan ahead, players will be out of contract and need to be replaced.

It appears that your player Clevid Dikamona has opted to leave (with an option to return), so why shouldn't Hearts (and indeed all clubs) be looking ahead for what options they could make to the playing squad.

 

Let's say hypothetically that Boyce also opts to leave, why shouldn't Hearts look at who else they could get in to replace him.

Maybe they opt for someone on lower wages to suit an altered budget

 

Being prepared does not mean that your cutting anyone out or being disrespectful, I'd expect all clubs to be looking at various options

That's my view as well. 

It's clear that many people in football can't see past the end of their nose. 

 

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1 hour ago, kila said:

 

Don't need to see the email to say that the football governance is bloated and unprofessional. The latter was Stendel's first remark when he arrived.

 

MacPhee wasted time in January trying to entice Stendel with players O'Neill wanted rid of at Stoke before he ****ed off to Barbados. Levein apparently busy sorting out the medical department after telling the players Stendel didn't want at the gates of Riccarton they weren't needed anymore.

 

Too many rotten cooks at the top and a clean sweep once the world resumes is needed.

 

Yep, complete overhaul needed. Murray, Macphee and Levein need to leave and a Head of Recruitment with actual real scouts put in place.

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1 hour ago, OTT said:

The email is terrible optics, but lets not kid ourselves every club will be looking towards planning for next season. 

 

Budge really needs to review where this leak is coming from and plug it. We're getting the boot properly stuck in from the press. 

 

Also, its probably a decent pretext to get rid of Murray finally. His recruitment record reads like a horror story. Cannot continue to allow this man to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds every year with impunity. 

Murray is supposedly retiring anyway at the end of the season but does anyone really believe the e-mail, if true, was sent by him without AB or DS knowing about/approving it?  Does he have that much autonomy?

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59 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Yep, complete overhaul needed. Murray, Macphee and Levein need to leave and a Head of Recruitment with actual real scouts put in place.


Surely to god this will happen in the summer:/whenever we resume?  All their contracts are up so there’s literally no excuse for them not all to be punted. 

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6 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


The bigger picture around that email is the way it exposes the reality of our recruitment department. We are in the dark ages when it comes to finding players. And head of recruitment who emails agents saying ‘got any players who might be suitable for us?’ needs emptied.

All clubs contact agents to see who's available as part of the process, that's a ridiculous stick to beat the club with.

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4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

All clubs contact agents to see who's available as part of the process, that's a ridiculous stick to beat the club with.

 

There is a difference between asking an agent if a player is available and asking agents if they have players who'd be suitable for Hearts? Of course agents will say they are suitable, they want to make money!

 

 

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1 minute ago, kila said:

 

There is a difference between asking an agent if a player is available and asking agents if they have players who'd be suitable for Hearts? Of course agents will say they are suitable, they want to make money!

 

 

That's not really the point I was answering though. It's ridiculous to say it's dark ages territory contacting agents to see what's happening instead of using Wyscout - something we also take a slagging for from our fans by the way.

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4 minutes ago, kila said:

 

There is a difference between asking an agent if a player is available and asking agents if they have players who'd be suitable for Hearts? Of course agents will say they are suitable, they want to make money!

 

 

 

Mmmm no.

 

You mean we should ask who is available for Hibs? 

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7 minutes ago, Smithee said:

That's not really the point I was answering though. It's ridiculous to say it's dark ages territory contacting agents to see what's happening instead of using Wyscout - something we also take a slagging for from our fans by the way.


How about doing plain old fashioned scouting?  At least this coming out now has now made it make sense of how recruitment has been so ****ing shit over the past few years. 
 

“Hi agent, any players you think may be suitable for HMFC”

 

”Yessssssss, we have this Nigerian international that’s just become available” :lol: 

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We are bottom of the league with this side having secured some of the worst results in our history. I’d happily see them all shipped out. I’d personally like to keep Clare, Naismith, Boyce, Washington, Hickey, Smith, Haring, Souttar. Wouldn’t bat an eye lid at anyone else leaving. Out a 38 man squad, that tells you everything you need to know about where we are. 

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Just now, busby1985 said:

We are bottom of the league with this side having secured some of the worst results in our history. I’d happily see them all shipped out. I’d personally like to keep Clare, Naismith, Boyce, Washington, Hickey, Smith, Haring, Souttar. Wouldn’t bat an eye lid at anyone else leaving. Out a 38 man squad, that tells you everything you need to know about where we are. 

 

An opportunity perhaps. 

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6 minutes ago, Last Laff said:


How about doing plain old fashioned scouting?  At least this coming out now has now made it make sense of how recruitment has been so ****ing shit over the past few years. 
 

“Hi agent, any players you think may be suitable for HMFC”

 

”Yessssssss, we have this Nigerian international that’s just become available” :lol: 

We also have old fashioned scouts. 

It's distinctly likely we'd investigate agent recommendations further than just taking anyone that's recommended!

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2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Mmmm no.

 

You mean we should ask who is available for Hibs? 

 

I was meaning availability and suitability are not the same thing. Surely the latter is determined by the club after assessing a player from scouting rather than asking their agent that question? Because agents lie and do what they can to make money.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

We also have old fashioned scouts. 

It's distinctly likely we'd investigate agent recommendations further than just taking anyone that's recommended!


I wonder what the further investigations are that has still lead to signing tons of huddies? 

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1 minute ago, Last Laff said:


I wonder what the further investigations are that has still lead to signing tons of huddies? 

I don't know but let's not allow a chance to kick the club pass eh?

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3 hours ago, OTT said:

Budge really needs to review where this leak is coming from and plug it. We're getting the boot properly stuck in from the press. 


It’s Allan “Biscuits” Preston.

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5 hours ago, David Bennett said:

And the Telegraph reporting that EPL Clubs now looking at wage deferrals of up to 50% with the Professional Footballers Association (PFA) being asked to support the requests for wage cuts. Looks like everyone is going down this route.


not Hibs though according to their deluded support 😂😂😂 
cant wait for Dempster to announce it

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1 hour ago, Last Laff said:


Surely to god this will happen in the summer:/whenever we resume?  All their contracts are up so there’s literally no excuse for them not all to be punted. 

Surely to god it should but then again, this is Ann Budge's Hearts, so **** knows what will happen. 

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5 hours ago, TypoonJambo said:

So Anne's gone from tight fisted trade slaver to visionary in the Scottish press? 

 

Back to 1914 with Heart of Midlothian leading the way for football. 

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2 hours ago, Nelly Terraces said:

Not a fan of Budge but there was nothing wrong with asking staff to take a cut to save a business.


Of course the Scottish footballing media, most of whom aren’t the brightest bulbs in the floodlight so to speak, will conveniently forget their incredibly short sighted & point missing rage once other clubs, leagues, indeed businesses in general across the board, do likewise.


A global pandemic, never before seen in generations yet some in the media think she’s Satan for asking employees to take a wage cut to save jobs.

quite unbelievable 

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11 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:


not Hibs though according to their deluded support 😂😂😂 
cant wait for Dempster to announce it

I read that one of them said if they were toiling for money that Tom Farmer would probably lend them a couple of million :wtf:  😆

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1 hour ago, Smithee said:

All clubs contact agents to see who's available as part of the process, that's a ridiculous stick to beat the club with.


Not as vaguely as that ffs. That’s the equivalent of a circular through your door asking if you want to sell your house 

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Lord Beni of Gorgie
4 hours ago, kila said:

 

Take it you are volunteering?

 

I wish I could,  however I am working fully from home. If that's to change nothing would give me greater pleasure than helping out

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4 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:


Sorry but you can’t use that argument for everything you disagree with. 
 

You are wasting energy replying to the email for start, plus all your other posts recently 🙂

I'm not stressing though.  Whooooosh 

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