Holyrood_Hearts Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 People have to realise in any other circumstances other than the one we all currently face, this announcement wouldn’t be necessary. The exceptional circumstances have dictated this. The CV is going to be something every supporter & club is effected by & I fully support the club here. If she didn’t do something about it we might well be facing an Admin2 down the line so being proactive should be supported by all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 New definition of success seems to be buying Hearts for £2.5 m. , collecting FOH money amounting to £8.2 million and expecting to stay on as CEO. Some people might call it a scam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, kingantti1874 said: We don’t have any debt But clearly we will if the players refuse to take a 50% cut. Which wouldn’t have been necessary if the stand hadn’t gone £12m over budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Prof said: Budge paid £2.5 million for 100% of Hearts. FOH have contributed £8.2 million and now apparently we are back in a precarious financial position as evidenced by her statement. Season ticket sales are around 13k, no money has been offered to season ticket holders as a refund. There are only 10 games to go and we are bottom of the SPFL. Yet apparently we are in financial trouble. And you call me thick for saying she should go. Next thing you’ll be saying she’s done a great job. She has done and hopefully will continue to do a great job. I can’t help your lack of grey matter unfortunately. You are stuck forever being as thick as a pound of mince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Morph said: All we’ve heard about is how good our finances are, how good a business woman she is, how great everything is behind the scenes. All clearly a load of ****ing shite. Cannot believe we’re back at square one after 6 years. Actually I can. Ran like a ****ing circus on and off the park. Stupid bosses of BA, Delta, Swiss Air and Virgin. Fancy ordering new planes when they could have continued with older ones that weren't safe and would have failed safety inspections. Didn't they realise an unknown pandemic was going to occur and lead to a global depression. Everyone else did (well, apart from Presidents, Prime Ministers, First Ministers, Religious Ministers, CEO's, company bosses, self employed people, employed people, unemployed people, school children and every other ****in individual). Seriously wonder why some people are allowed to access internet. Their carers should take better care of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Morph said: All we’ve heard about is how good our finances are, how good a business woman she is, how great everything is behind the scenes. All clearly a load of ****ing shite. Cannot believe we’re back at square one after 6 years. Actually I can. Ran like a ****ing circus on and off the park. Stupid bosses of BA, Delta, Swiss Air and Virgin. Fancy ordering new planes when they could have continued with older ones that weren't safe and would have failed safety inspections. Didn't they realise an unknown pandemic was going to occur and lead to a global depression. Everyone else did (well, apart from Presidents, Prime Ministers, First Ministers, Religious Ministers, CEO's, company bosses, self employed people, employed people, unemployed people, school children and every other ****in individual). Seriously wonder why some people are allowed to access internet. Their carers should take better care of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Prof said: New definition of success seems to be buying Hearts for £2.5 m. , collecting FOH money amounting to £8.2 million and expecting to stay on as CEO. Some people might call it a scam. Yes. Those people are called cretins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: But clearly we will if the players refuse to take a 50% cut. Which wouldn’t have been necessary if the stand hadn’t gone £12m over budget. The cost of the stand has been covered by benefactors though. It wasn't money that would have just gone in the bank. It hasn't effected you, me or the players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Prof said: New definition of success seems to be buying Hearts for £2.5 m. , collecting FOH money amounting to £8.2 million and expecting to stay on as CEO. Some people might call it a scam. Please mods, do the right thing and empty this halfwit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 This will be a first move in protecting the Club. Don’t borrow unless you have too and certainly not if you have no guarantee of how the repayments will be made. You can’t sell Season Tickets for something that’s up in the air at the moment. Other clubs will follow this move in the coming days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Why are people failing to see that players on 3-4K will be still getting a shed load of money for 3-4 months? If it means there is a Hearts to support when the season starts back up then kick on. Could be a blessing if some players leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Prof said: New definition of success seems to be buying Hearts for £2.5 m. , collecting FOH money amounting to £8.2 million and expecting to stay on as CEO. Some people might call it a scam. Did AB pocket the £8.2m or was it used in the running of the Club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBones Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Never thought we'd be back to not paying players their full wage so soon after Vlad. I know you couldn't forsee covid but we shouldn't be the first and only team doing this considering how much money goes in from the fans and benefactors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Francis Albert said: Is it being an arsehole to wonder why we are the first? There have been indications through the season that we habe had cash flow issues before Caronavirus surfaced. Yes, it is. I can almost see you smiling as you typed your post. So unlike you to be negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, MrBones said: Never thought we'd be back to not paying players their full wage so soon after Vlad. I know you couldn't forsee covid but we shouldn't be the first and only team doing this considering how much money goes in from the fans and benefactors There is zero chance we'll be the only team doing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suso Santana Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Prof said: Budge paid £2.5 million for 100% of Hearts. FOH have contributed £8.2 million and now apparently we are back in a precarious financial position as evidenced by her statement. Season ticket sales are around 13k, no money has been offered to season ticket holders as a refund. There are only 10 games to go and we are bottom of the SPFL. Yet apparently we are in financial trouble. And you call me thick for saying she should go. Next thing you’ll be saying she’s done a great job. They're delusional and clueless man, they've resorted to calling people thick instead of saying "hibs" Simpletons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Some players going from 4k to 2k a WEEK. How will they cope. They are doing literally nothing for God knows how long. I do feel for the general staff but there are many others out there in worse situations. I do worry we are the first to do it but surely we won't be the first to do this and it will turn out to be a very smart move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, ...a bit disco said: Some laughable comments on this thread. Hearts 'supporters' aye? Suppose it explains the poll on the relegation thread. This. Very much this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbogoal Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 No one could have planned for this coming. Today alone 2 of my pals who runs successful businesses have had to stop trading and lay off staff. 100% we will not be the only club to do this. Other businesses I know are also offering 50% reduced salaries due to ZERO income just now & for the foreseeable. What the club didnt say in its statement is that they’ve asked part time staff to work for free. Ive not read the whole thread so don’t know if it’s been suggested but see if you were planning on going to the semi how about putting the cost of your tickets to the club or FoH to help out? Obviously if it’s affordable to you. It’s rocky times for everyone just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Suso Santana said: They're delusional and clueless man, they've resorted to calling people thick instead of saying "hibs" Simpletons. As of this time last week football was to continue. Who was predicting total lockdown of all revenue streams. Also hypocrisy from fans when much of the cash has been invested in the team. She could have saved it of course for a rainy day. I'm sure you predicted there would be an epidemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I've not been her biggest fan lately, but I'm glad she's the one to guide us through this crisis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Shark Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, the_jailer said: Maybe her brother could give us back a couple of million 50% even ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, MrBones said: Never thought we'd be back to not paying players their full wage so soon after Vlad. I know you couldn't forsee covid but we shouldn't be the first and only team doing this considering how much money goes in from the fans and benefactors Why not wait a few days and see what other clubs follow suit. Not sure if you have watched news programmes or Bloomberg, but the leisure and entertainment industry, which we are in, is on its knees and facing oblivion. No money coming in and loads going out. St Johnstone and Kilmarnock operate alongside hotels and catering to subsidise their football. These industries are crippled and unless radical action is taken now, they will simply die. No business owner worth their salt pontificates and dithers over this type of decision because frankly, we are on life support and failure to act now would be a dereliction of duty. We can survive, but that survival will have a greater chance of success if we act, as we have, immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 She states she has done it so we CAN weather the storm. Many clubs wont Weather the storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-reed Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 has Ann Budge spoke to the players union before releasing the statement about 50% wage cut... if not I can see then getting involved.... what ever way you look at it its a disaster for hearts and there supports.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 If you have half a brain you look at the statement and say well done that action was required. If you don’t then you slate everyone at the club. Its that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNic Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, part_time_jambo said: So you want people on £300 a week to donate some of their wages to help players who are on £3000 a week? Hahaha was just thinking this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, b-reed said: has Ann Budge spoke to the players union before releasing the statement about 50% wage cut... if not I can see then getting involved.... what ever way you look at it its a disaster for hearts and there supports.... A disaster ? **** off ya slavering wreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Jap Jambo said: he may well have time to regret not signing a contract extention. Will that be when he is making his way to the east side of Glasgow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Suso Santana said: They're delusional and clueless man, they've resorted to calling people thick instead of saying "hibs" Simpletons. I don't believe you are thick. Not sure who you support either.do I believe you are an attention seeking troll though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suso Santana Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: As of this time last week football was to continue. Who was predicting total lockdown of all revenue streams. Also hypocrisy from fans when much of the cash has been invested in the team. She could have saved it of course for a rainy day. I'm sure you predicted there would be an epidemic I take your point but who could have seen us sitting bottom of the league after winning the championship at a canter. All the money we've spent as fans, all the money levein has been given and wasted, all the money the benefactors have ploughed in with no return. This is bigger than what is happening just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Suso Santana said: They're delusional and clueless man, they've resorted to calling people thick instead of saying "hibs" Simpletons. Your average Hibs fan is brighter than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, Prof said: no money has been offered to season ticket holders as a refund Season Tickets are non-refundable after they have been purchased regardless of how many matches have been played in a season. No discount or refund will be offered for any matches that have taken place which you missed, or that you could not attend, under any circumstances. No refund for a Season Ticket will be made if any match is postponed or abandoned and played upon a future date, or for any adverse weather conditions. However, admission to the rearranged match will be included in your Season Ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBones Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Diego10 said: There is zero chance we'll be the only team doing this No doubt, I just thought we'd be in a stronger position than this, though actually when you look at the money we've wasted and our league position, in not really surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: This is very true. However, effectively all income streams have been shut off for all football clubs so the idea that this is just us isn't credible. Ironically, if you had a high percentage servicing debt you are more likely to get largesse from the banks and other lenders at present. Excellent point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suso Santana Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Vlad Magic said: Your average Hibs fan is brighter than you. Give up mate, you might as well just say " I like plastic dinosaurs" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, robbogoal said: What the club didnt say in its statement is that they’ve asked part time staff to work for free. I did wonder about that as I had suggested, earlier today in another thread, that laying off part time staff such as academy coaches, physios, hospitality etc., should be considered. I think it can be taken as read as having happened when the statement refers to Academy Operations, the Supporters Bar and other business areas being shut down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: There are already many large companies e.g. airlines and hotel chains asking their employees to take unpaid leave. Those sort of decisions put Hearts proposed 50% reduction into perspective. That'll be these large companies with assets of billions of pounds. Disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Suso Santana said: I take your point but who could have seen us sitting bottom of the league after winning the championship at a canter. All the money we've spent as fans, all the money levein has been given and wasted, all the money the benefactors have ploughed in with no return. This is bigger than what is happening just now. To clarify your post, Hearts asking staff to take a pay cut is bigger than a global pandemic that has killed thousands, hospitalised thousands more, and threatens the global economy on a scale that no one has ever seen before. I think you have lost your sense of perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I'm guessing the folk having a dig aren't running their own businesses at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Suso Santana said: Give up mate, you might as well just say " I like plastic dinosaurs" I am not the one having a dig at our owner for taking the necessary measures to protect our club from potential financial ruin. An owner who is leading from the front in extraordinary circumstances. You piss from the outside in. The supporters admiration for her grows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Always wanted to say this. THIS THREAD REEKS If we were to believe what people are saying on here, then i am a bad business person. My business will run out of money next week as i now have no revenues, due to people not moving about the country. There will be many people in the coming weeks that will be thankful of a cut in wages. Tough weeks ahead and tough decisions to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Will that be when he is making his way to the east side of Glasgow? I'm sure he still will, my point was that if his worth was 10k a week in December it's now a fraction of that. Football will have to cut it's cloth at all levels just like everyone else. It would be a very good time to have a long guaranteed contract (employer credit risk aside). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 51 minutes ago, Prof said: Must admit I thought Budge was on top of the situation, but clearly she isn’t and has put the club into a precarious financial situation. There should be no question of her staying on as CEO and she has to go, along with Levein and the other parasites that infest the club. FOH has to take a firm hand now and demand changes. Presume you knew Coronavirus was coming and your personal finances are well protected from the economic situation. Well done. Pity you hadn’t told us all in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: That'll be these large companies with assets of billions of pounds. Disgusting. Yup! Virgin Atlantic, Emirates, easyJet and Marriott have all taken the "unpaid leave" route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonedinoz Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I’ve literally just woke up to this news, and help me out, because I don’t understand. i should say that I haven’t read all the 8 pages so if it is already explained, apologies i get that we won’t get any additional income for a while, but isn’t the vast majority of our ‘match day’ revenue already paid by means of season tickets? we’ve already got that, so my reading, is either our budgeting is crap, or we have been living way beyond our means. and sorry, I don’t see Budge’s action as ‘prudent’ action for the future....any way I look at it I see desperation. so what exactly has all the season ticket money been already spent on.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, jambopilms said: I'm guessing the folk having a dig aren't running their own businesses at the moment. Don't think they could run their own bath, never mind business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, MrBones said: No doubt, I just thought we'd be in a stronger position than this, though actually when you look at the money we've wasted and our league position, in not really surprised Maybe we are still in a stronger position than you think, maybe Ann realised it's better to make the cuts sooner knowing that you can sustain them longer before firing people, rather than wait an unknown length of time for things to get better but then having to slash salaries to zero? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Footballfirst said: Yup! Virgin Atlantic, Emirates, easyJet and Marriott have all taken the "unpaid leave" route. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I'm interested to see which players choose the "contract termination" option. Which of the gutless shitebags will want out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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