been here before Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: I don't read BBC propaganda and I haven't watched STV since Gladiators. Thats obviously your perogative but its easily found on "MSM". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 19 hours ago, John Findlay said: I'm going for a not proven verdict. That’s kind of what I reckon. It’s he says she says kind of stuff. You can’t convict someone on this evidence surely? I’d be saying the same for anyone incidentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Jury has the weekend to reflect on it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Jury has the weekend to reflect on it all. Very interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 As I understand it, the prosecution wrapped up two days early? Would explain the weirdness of having the defence wrap up on a Friday afternoon and leave little time for deliberations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 6 hours ago, been here before said: Thats obviously your perogative but its easily found on "MSM". Im lucky, I’m not brainwashed. Jet was well tidy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Im lucky, I’m not brainwashed. Jet was well tidy though. So you dont consider the BBC or STV to be "MSM" then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, been here before said: So you dont consider the BBC or STV to be "MSM" then? He allows 'The National' to brain wash him only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: He allows 'The National' to brain wash him only. If Im following this right he's saying this isnt being reported on "MSN". Then when its pointed out to him that probably 2 of the most mainstream media outlets in the country have whole sections dedicated to it he responds he's not "brainwashed" but liked Jet from Gladiators. Very odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, been here before said: If Im following this right he's saying this isnt being reported on "MSN". Then when its pointed out to him that probably 2 of the most mainstream media outlets in the country have whole sections dedicated to it he responds he's not "brainwashed" but liked Jet from Gladiators. Very odd. You don't know him very well. Best not to interact. For the sake of your sanity if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 He is guilty of every charge but he'll walk out free for sure on not proven bs, only because he is who he is, anybody else would be locked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My half sister Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Guilty in my opinion. Too many people against him, they can't all be lying Edited March 21, 2020 by My half sister Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: You don't know him very well. Best not to interact. For the sake of your sanity if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 8 hours ago, JackLadd said: He is guilty of every charge but he'll walk out free for sure on not proven bs, only because he is who he is, anybody else would be locked up. 8 hours ago, My half sister said: Guilty in my opinion. Too many people against him, they can't all be lying We don't know. But the mood has changed since Weinstein etc. I think you had to be there in court listening to everything, as the jury did to get the full picture. A lot of women testified. Only one charge was withdrawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 20/03/2020 at 12:13, jambos are go! said: Noteworthy that no senior SNP politician, past or present, gave evidence in the trial. One of the alleged victims who has given evidence is described as an SNP politician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 46 minutes ago, Darren said: One of the alleged victims who has given evidence is described as an SNP politician. I said senior S NP politician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: I said senior S NP politician. We don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: We don't know Exactly. Completely clueless but banding about idle speculation as fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Darren said: Exactly. Completely clueless but banding about idle speculation as fact. It is strange the witnesses weren't public. It is hard for the jury not to see them, their reactions. Definitely helps in assessing their truthfulness or otherwise. Not sure of the reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: It is strange the witnesses weren't public. It is hard for the jury not to see them, their reactions. Definitely helps in assessing their truthfulness or otherwise. Not sure of the reasons. All the witnesses who are not alleged victims have been made public. The jury can see the witnesses. Alleged victims of sexual assault are not named for reasons I would have thought are obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Darren said: All the witnesses who are not alleged victims have been made public. The jury can see the witnesses. Alleged victims of sexual assault are not named for reasons I would have thought are obvious. Fair enough. I must be thinking of other countries where you see the women's names all the time. So not obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 There is one fact no one has mentioned on here, the prosecution have not produced a single witness that can Collaborate any of the charges. Collaboration is the corner stone of Scottish law. Not guilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, flecktimus said: There is one fact no one has mentioned on here, the prosecution have not produced a single witness that can Collaborate any of the charges. Collaboration is the corner stone of Scottish law. Not guilty . No doubt that was Salmond's take when committing the crimes. I believe the woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, flecktimus said: There is one fact no one has mentioned on here, the prosecution have not produced a single witness that can Collaborate any of the charges. Collaboration is the corner stone of Scottish law. Not guilty Then why did the crown office see fit to prosecute unless they were pretty confidant? Edited March 21, 2020 by Trapper John McIntyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, JackLadd said: . No doubt that was Salmond's take when committing the crimes. I believe the woman. All nine women. Like the prosecutor said, perpretators don't commit crimes in front of witnesses. Edited March 21, 2020 by Trapper John McIntyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 57 minutes ago, flecktimus said: There is one fact no one has mentioned on here, the prosecution have not produced a single witness that can Collaborate any of the charges. Collaboration is the corner stone of Scottish law. Not guilty Corroborate you clearly meant. Moorov Doctrine - where a series of events with no second source of evidence for each can corroborate each other when there are similarities in the modus operandi. The behaviour in this case is strikingly similar each time and so they are corroborated even though no other witness or evidence for each individual act is present. Some of the offences here are very minor in nature. Wrong and inappropriate in a lot of cases but on the borderline of criminality IMO. They are in there mostly to assist in proving the more serious charges. He’ll be found not guilty or more likely not proven on most if not all charges.The case where it was proven that the woman wasn’t even there that night has blown the whole thing IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, JackLadd said: He is guilty of every charge but he'll walk out free for sure on not proven bs, only because he is who he is, anybody else would be locked up. Or the contrary view. No ordinary Joe in the street would have been investigated to this extent or brought to the high court on such flimsy trivial charges. Most of the charges allege He touched a couple of woman’s arses and tried to kiss some other women FFS Okay it’s knobbish behaviour and an intimidating abuse of power by a man in his position but a Huge waste of public funds being spent here for trivial charges for the most part. Edited March 21, 2020 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Corroborate you clearly meant. Moorov Doctrine - where a series of events with no second source of evidence for each can corroborate each other when there are similarities in the modus operandi. The behaviour in this case is strikingly similar each time and so they are corroborated even though no other witness or evidence for each individual act is present. Some of the offences here are very minor in nature. Wrong and inappropriate in a lot of cases but on the borderline of criminality IMO. They are in there mostly to assist in proving the more serious charges. He’ll be found not guilty or more likely not proven on most if not all charges.The case where it was proven that the woman wasn’t even there that night has blown the whole thing IMO. The defence witnesses say they had 'no recollection' of her being there. In other words, they can't remember. Strange how they remembered all the other 'minor' incidents but not the big one that matters. #Metoo envrironment along with Moorov Principal will get him. Guilty. Edited March 21, 2020 by Trapper John McIntyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, flecktimus said: There is one fact no one has mentioned on here, the prosecution have not produced a single witness that can Collaborate any of the charges. Collaboration is the corner stone of Scottish law. Not guilty If IIRC his Chief of Staff arranged for a n apology after one incident. Salmon has also admitted that some of the incidents took place but put his own spin on what happened. Many witnesses mentioned the don't be caught alone with Alex Salmond protocol. His own Counsel said something like Salmond was no angel. it's wrong to suggest there was no collaboration based of what I have seen reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 On 20/03/2020 at 12:21, Trapper John McIntyre said: Its the kind of trial where if he's found guilty, there may be more women out there who may now come forward. If not, they'll stay silent. If its Not Proven, its a bad as guilty. Hopefully the SNP will tear each other to shreds either way. Scotland's shame and embarrassment. Doesn’t care if it’s true or not, doesn’t care if he’s guilty or not. Just wants the SNP gone, and hopes this is a way to make it happen. You’re so pathetic. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Doesn’t care if it’s true or not, doesn’t care if he’s guilty or not. Just wants the SNP gone, and hopes this is a way to make it happen. You’re so pathetic. 😄 Tbf he has admitted as much. Best ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, jambogaza said: Tbf he has admitted as much. Best ignored. Poor stuff, isn’t it? Most right minded people would rather the truth was discovered and justice delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 The SNP hating zombies are hoping for more but the best they'll get is some high, maybe very high, profile figures falling on their swords. But the SNP will reorganise and go on. Much to the surprise and dismay of the SNP hating zombies. Shame for them. I think the verdict could go either way. Lady Dorrian specified the jury should basically decide who to believe. It has boiled down to that basic judgement. I do believe though that Salmond, should he be found innocent, will go after his own justice, as he will see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Victorian said: The SNP hating zombies are hoping for more but the best they'll get is some high, maybe very high, profile figures falling on their swords. But the SNP will reorganise and go on. Much to the surprise and dismay of the SNP hating zombies. Shame for them. I think the verdict could go either way. Lady Dorrian specified the jury should basically decide who to believe. It has boiled down to that basic judgement. I do believe though that Salmond, should he be found innocent, will go after his own justice, as he will see it. Your ship has sailed. The virus has killed your Indy dream. Every cloud and all that... Salmond being nailed matters little in comparison. Still hope he goes down. Enjoy. if he doesn't it's still another nail. Scotland will be a laughing stock and a pariah to the #metoo movement. Somethings stinks alright. The rancid stench of gnat hypocrasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Poor stuff, isn’t it? Most right minded people would rather the truth was discovered and justice delivered. I hope justice is delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, Trapper John McIntyre said: Your ship has sailed. The virus has killed your Indy dream. Every cloud and all that... Salmond being nailed matters little in comparison. Still hope he goes down. Enjoy. if he doesn't it's still another nail. Scotland will be a laughing stock and a pariah to the #metoo movement. Somethings stinks alright. The rancid stench of gnat hypocrasy. Nah not really. Independence probably is finished for a long time but I'm merely stating that the SNP will go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Victorian said: Nah not really. Independence probably is finished for a long time but I'm merely stating that the SNP will go on. So can syphilis. Get rid of the corona virus and Scotlands nationalist virus in one go. Nice. Edited March 22, 2020 by Trapper John McIntyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: I hope justice is delivered. Aye, okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, weehammy said: Not an SNP supporter and have always disliked Salmond as a person. But the trial is concerned with allegations made by a group of women and has **** all to do with independence. Once the verdict is in the recriminations will start, one way or another. Naive. Independence has plenty to do with this trial. Victims stated they would not speak up at the time of the referendum for fear it would sway the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 52 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: Naive. Independence has plenty to do with this trial. Victims stated they would not speak up at the time of the referendum for fear it would sway the vote. So? That doesn't mean anything significant, it doesn't taint the concept of an independent Scotland like you'd prefer to pretend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Smithee said: So? That doesn't mean anything significant, it doesn't taint the concept of an independent Scotland like you'd prefer to pretend. It’s quite bizarre isn’t it? It’s as though unionists think that independence voters feel the way they do because they were persuaded by politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Poor John, placed everything on red and Coronavirus slapped it on black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 nobody on a jury irrespective of who it is is going to do someone on the evidence presented. what a waste of time/money. creep, should have been telt, and booted, the end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 45 minutes ago, ArcticJambo said: nobody on a jury irrespective of who it is is going to do someone on the evidence presented. what a waste of time/money. creep, should have been telt, and booted, the end! Sure seems this way to me, but we have a bunch here convinced awfully strongly otherwise . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Jury trials halted in England and Wales - stick or twist ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 It's on this morning. Two jurors have been discharged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Darren said: It's on this morning. Two jurors have been discharged. even with this reduction from 15 to 13 jurors at least 8 people are needed to agree for a verdict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, Darren said: It's on this morning. Two jurors have been discharged. I wonder if Trapper got found out and sent home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Not guilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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