ramrod Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, karipidis said: Don’t really get the argument about doing it in other countries. Going to Juventus and winning the league is hardly a huge achievement. He wasn’t top scorer last season and is 5 goals behind the top scorer this season. He's delivered in 3 of the best leagues in the world and in European competitions for the 3 clubs . Picking out 1 stat and running with it , lol how about the 100 other stats that confirm the guys a master craftsman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: So he didn't score 40 plus goals in the EPL then and win an international title. I think Messi would do okay in England. 24 goals in 32 games against EPLs top 6 sides, and Ronaldo scores 28 in 70 games against the EPLs top 6 sides. Messi has scored more against them than Wayne Rooney has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: So he didn't score 40 plus goals in the EPL then and win an international title. I think Messi would do okay in England. 24 goals in 32 games against EPLs top 6 sides, and Ronaldo scores 28 in 70 games against the EPLs top 6 sides. Messi has scored more against them than Wayne Rooney has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 What's that dodgy Spanish doctor's name again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I feel a downside for Messi is that he has spent his entire career at Barcelona playing for a dominant money side in a league that's overall less competitive than others such as England or Italy. I think Ronaldo left Real because his massive ego is always looking at the record books. Clarence Seedorf is the only player to have won 3 Champions League trophies at 3 different clubs. Ronaldo and his ego want to match that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Ronaldo for me and done it at different clubs and countries. Done it more at international level too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 And? Two of the biggest/richest clubs in the world, and then went to a club that had won their domestic title for the seventh consecutive year. Quite the challenge that! The only reason Madrid didn't dominate Spain during his spell there was entirely down to Messi & friends. I don't get the argument either. Stay at a club your entire career, playing with different players, under different coaches adopting different styles, all while adapting your own style but still putting up ridic scoring stats, and it's held against you. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, karipidis said: I think Messi would do okay in England. 24 goals in 32 games against EPLs top 6 sides, and Ronaldo scores 28 in 70 games against the EPLs top 6 sides. Messi has scored more against them than Wayne Rooney has. Playing with Spain's finest coach and players. I fancy my own chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanderMIM Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 What about Messi & Ronaldo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboT Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 They won about 10 Ballon D’ors in a row between them and took football to another level. Every year the question was which one of the two would win. For me, it’s Ronaldo who is the best but Messi is unbelievable also and I could make a case for him too. It used to be a good striker was someone who scored 1 every 2 games and a great striker scored 2 in 3. These guys have been pretty much getting a goal a game for years and are miles ahead of everyone else. Let’s just enjoy them both for the last few years of their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB GIN Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, chester copperpot said: Sorry to start this again but it's been bothering me. Messi is possibly the best of all time: Ronaldo is possibly the best of all time: Messi has stayed with the same team for all time, Ronaldo has challenged himself by moving teams, even when he was 34 Arguments as to who's better? Would be a nice distraction for once. Messi is the best full stop. Anybody that thinks Ronaldo is a better player needs help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 minute ago, NB GIN said: Messi is the best full stop. Anybody that thinks Ronaldo is a better player needs help I think anybody who thinks they can say that and be taken seriously needs as much help with their out of control ego as Ronaldo does. And i'm not talking about a comparison of their abilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, NB GIN said: Messi is the best full stop. Anybody that thinks Ronaldo is a better player needs help I think theres discussion here mate. It ain't plain sailing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy Jambo Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Wighton or Vanecek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Space Pirate said: Wighton or Vanecek? Stockton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 31 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: Playing with Spain's finest coach and players. I fancy my own chances. Maybe you could point out when Ronaldo has played in a team full of journey men and diddies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I must be in the minority but whenever I hear maradona mentioned in a “greatest of all time” conversation I can’t help but think Can name 5 better than him immediately.. Pele Zidane Cruyff Messi Ronaldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Ronaldo couldn’t lace Messi’s boots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, King prawn said: I must be in the minority but whenever I hear maradona mentioned in a “greatest of all time” conversation I can’t help but think Can name 5 better than him immediately.. Pele Zidane Cruyff Messi Ronaldo No doubting he was class but Ronaldo and Messi have done it over a length that's probably not been seen before. Like what they guys have done is ridiculous. IMO what they have done probably won't be matched. But Zidane is still the greatest for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 For a long long time, I was in the Messi camp. Now though, I think Ronaldo just edges it, for some of the good points raised earlier. Messi won 4 Ballon D’Ors in a row, unprecedented and with 6 wins to Ronaldo’s 5, there are still arguments for him. The fact that Ronaldo has done it in multiple leagues is a massive consideration. I think Messi probably has more natural talent, but you cannot deny the work ethic or will power of Ronaldo to suceed. one thing for sure, I think they in effect pushed each other to the greatness they have achieved. For other players mentioned, Zinfandel was a favourite of mine and he undoubtedly had a couple of seasons where he was the best in the world, but not a patch on consistency or longevity of Messi or Ronaldo. only Pelé really comes close. For those that say Maradona, yes he was an unbelievable player, but he messed that all up by turning to drugs. You cannot condone or promote a player who has failed himself in this way. It’s why he’s now ostracised whilst Pelé for example is not. Messi’s first ever goal for Barcelona (against Getafe I think) was a thing of beauty and better than Maradonna’s goal against England. Messi v Ronaldo, very close and.both fantastic players. Ronaldo now (just) for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Curious; what 'good points raised earlier'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Gashauskis9 said: Maradona is the answer (a hybrid of the modern two), but if this is strictly Ronaldo v Messi then it has to be Ronaldo. Great point made about having to prove yourself and maintain standards for different clubs. This all day long 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mr 3 Putt said: No doubting he was class but Ronaldo and Messi have done it over a length that's probably not been seen before. Like what they guys have done is ridiculous. IMO what they have done probably won't be matched. But Zidane is still the greatest for me. It has been seen before. Puskas, Di Stefano, Pele, Eusebio, Müller, Seeler, Van Basten, Romario all have ridiculous goals to games scoring records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Spoiler Messi is the correct answer. Statistics will prove this. Staying at one club is almost used as a bad trait. In modern times loyalty and staying with one club over a long period of time is unique and a quality clubs would die for. Ronaldo is brilliant tho. Only guy in the equation that is brilliant in the air. Pele, deigo, Zidane, Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho etc, only C Ronaldo stands out as good in the air. Fair doos. Edited February 23, 2020 by Smith's right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 hours ago, i8hibsh said: It really is tho. No it isn't. C7 isn't even the best ever Ronaldo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Why is the general feeling that playing for more clubs is better than staying at one club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Reveal hidden contents Messi is the correct answer. Statistics will prove this. Staying at one club is almost used as a bad trait. In modern times loyalty and staying with one club over a long period of time is unique and a quality clubs would die for. Ronaldo is brilliant tho. Only guy in the equation that is brilliant in the air. Pele, deigo, Zidane, Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho etc, only C Ronaldo stands out as good in the air. Fair doos. Pelé was a great header of the ball and scored loads with his head. Even more remarkable as he wasn’tparticularly tall. Edited February 23, 2020 by Tazio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said: For a long long time, I was in the Messi camp. Now though, I think Ronaldo just edges it, for some of the good points raised earlier. Messi won 4 Ballon D’Ors in a row, unprecedented and with 6 wins to Ronaldo’s 5, there are still arguments for him. The fact that Ronaldo has done it in multiple leagues is a massive consideration. I think Messi probably has more natural talent, but you cannot deny the work ethic or will power of Ronaldo to suceed. one thing for sure, I think they in effect pushed each other to the greatness they have achieved. For other players mentioned, Zinfandel was a favourite of mine and he undoubtedly had a couple of seasons where he was the best in the world, but not a patch on consistency or longevity of Messi or Ronaldo. only Pelé really comes close. For those that say Maradona, yes he was an unbelievable player, but he messed that all up by turning to drugs. You cannot condone or promote a player who has failed himself in this way. It’s why he’s now ostracised whilst Pelé for example is not. Messi’s first ever goal for Barcelona (against Getafe I think) was a thing of beauty and better than Maradonna’s goal against England. Messi v Ronaldo, very close and.both fantastic players. Ronaldo now (just) for me. Maradona turn to drugs thro painkillers because of the treatment he endured. Messi and Ronaldo wouldn't have lasted two minutes back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgecowie Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Messi. That Pele montage is unbelievable. In other who is the best news, who is the current king in the North? Main, Cosgrove or Mckay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Maradona turn to drugs thro painkillers because of the treatment he endured. Messi and Ronaldo wouldn't have lasted two minutes back then. Aye, the treatment players got from defenders pre 1990's was brutal plus they were playing on tattie fields in comparison to today's carpets. They guys just dusted themselves and got on with it, Messi and Ronaldo have it easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS98 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Simply put. If Ronaldo had the burden of Messi’s small build and natural physicality, he would’ve been a half decent player at best. Now imagine if Messi was born with Ronaldo’s God given pace, build and physicality? Unthinkable really. For pure talent, Messi every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 hours ago, ri Alban said: No it isn't. C7 isn't even the best ever Ronaldo. His stats speak for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUGUST11 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I do enjoy the argument that Ronaldo isn't as naturally gifted as messi yet has had to work harder, I can only imagine this is based on the fact messi is better or is it because he looks in physically better shape? Either way it has no bearings on the fact messi has done better in the head to heads here both have been surrounded by great players their whole career as anyone at that level has but messi has a clear win for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Why is the general feeling that playing for more clubs is better than staying at one club? He has never left his comfort zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Maradona. Pele. Cruyff. Platini. Zidane In my day Always in the Messi camp but Ronaldo been the best recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Almost no daylight between their goals per game ratio but I would like to see their assists per game stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Why is the general feeling that playing for more clubs is better than staying at one club? It’s a bizarre argument. Giggs treated like a hero for staying loyal to Man Utd his whole career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattatooi Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Sometimes wonder what it would have been like to see them both in the same team. I’m sure there would be focus on how Messi is the team player and Ronaldo isn’t - which this scenario might highlight, but just think what it would look like if they clicked..!! They might have set records that could NEVER be matched.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: Almost no daylight between their goals per game ratio but I would like to see their assists per game stats. Yes there is. Ronaldo has 725 goals in 998 games. Goal every 1.38 games. Messi has 696 goals in 853 games. Goal every 1.22 games. On assists Messi has 289 and Ronaldo has 220. Messi has played 145 games less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 10 hours ago, Arry said: Messi ,,,,Ronaldo is a spoiled brat. Who gave a 30 grand tip to the staff at a Greek restaurant during a family get together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 It's interesting that Ronaldo gets major credit for Portugal's Euro success. If I remember correctly he had a pretty average tournament (allbeit he scored a few against the lesser teams) and missed the majority of the final. I'd have said Nani or Pepe were the best players for them during that campaign. When you see Messi's international team mates it shouldn't shock you that they've won nothing. Willy Caballero, Marcus Rojo and Nicolas Otamendi... Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: Who gave a 30 grand tip to the staff at a Greek restaurant during a family get together. Nice guy off the pitch so I've read, however on the pitch he can be a right dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Messi needs to switch allegiances to san marino and win the world cup single handed to be considered the best iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Messi clear win for me. He doesn’t even play as a striker and hasn’t for some time. Pretty much every top player/legend of the game says the same. That’s good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, karipidis said: Yes there is. Ronaldo has 725 goals in 998 games. Goal every 1.38 games. Messi has 696 goals in 853 games. Goal every 1.22 games. On assists Messi has 289 and Ronaldo has 220. Messi has played 145 games less. Ronaldo has playes in 4 top leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 9 hours ago, JFK-1 said: I feel a downside for Messi is that he has spent his entire career at Barcelona playing for a dominant money side in a league that's overall less competitive than others such as England or Italy. I think Ronaldo left Real because his massive ego is always looking at the record books. Clarence Seedorf is the only player to have won 3 Champions League trophies at 3 different clubs. Ronaldo and his ego want to match that. As good as Ronaldo was at Madrid and probably the best player they ever had I dont think he would ever be a bigger name than Raul there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ominous said: As good as Ronaldo was at Madrid and probably the best player they ever had I dont think he would ever be a bigger name than Raul there. I doubt he cares about that. Being the most popular player at Real doesn't get you into the record books. Winning the Champions league at 3 different clubs does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 When I watch messi and Ronaldo I think they are both unbelievable players but I have no liking for them they are like robots. Ronaldhino, Raul, Brazil Ronaldo were players who make you love the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: I doubt he cares about that. Being the most popular player at Real doesn't get you into the record books. Winning the Champions league at 3 different clubs does. I agree with you he probably doesn't care about that at all. I dont agree with people saying he is better than messi because he plays in different leagues though. I think messi stays with Barca is his genuine love for that club and he doesn't need to prove himself anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddley Walker Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Messi is the best playmaker of all time as well as the best goalscorer. Ronaldo's overall game isn't even close. When someone says Ronaldo is better it makes me think they haven't watched Messi play or they know nothing about football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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