Five to One Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Has this been considered or discussed elsewhere? Likes a goal and I believe has experience as a striker. Move Smith to CB if fit. His strength in the air may also help Boyce and Naismith. Might be worth a try and if it works implement till the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 He's nowhere near a striker, he's good for a last five minutes if we are launching it into the box but full time? No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Just now, fabienleclerq said: He's nowhere near a striker, he's good for a last five minutes if we are launching it into the box but full time? No thanks. This. Its come up on a few match day threads. He's a cb for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenor Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Not doing well as a CB right now. May as well give it a try 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Honestly you have to despair at the ops thought Of course in certain situations he can be sent up front but not from the start of a match..just madness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Just play player's in their tried and tested positions, keep it simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five to One Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, CJGJ said: Honestly you have to despair at the ops thought Of course in certain situations he can be sent up front but not from the start of a match..just madness What, you mean trying something different in our current predicament? We should be looking at all options with might help win us the number of games we need to stay up. He’s our top goalscorer btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 He’s more effective up there than Uche...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five to One Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, DH1986 said: He’s more effective up there than Uche...... Much better in the air and knows where the goals are. Uche’s confidence looks shot to pieces. The miss against Hamilton the prime example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Five to One said: Much better in the air and knows where the goals are. Uche’s confidence looks shot to pieces. The miss against Hamilton the prime example. Uche has had 4 good games in a year.....all against the ‘bigger’ teams. I genuinely think he thinks he’s something special. He will be in League Two next season if he’s lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, DH1986 said: He’s more effective up there than Uche...... True enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyrood_Hearts Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 We have enough square pegs in round holes as it is..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, Still Tynie said: Just play player's in their tried and tested positions, keep it simple I wonder if it will ever catch on. See if we did that we would start winning. I’m sure of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Might have worked if we hadn't been so quick in shifting Berra out on loan. Strange decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle rock Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 What about defensive mid? With Smith and soapy at centre half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stotty Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, DH1986 said: He’s more effective up there than Uche...... Agree. That said, I'd like to see Washington play upfront before Halkett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 The lad is absolutely shite anywhere he plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 52 minutes ago, stotty said: Agree. That said, I'd like to see Washington play upfront before Halkett. Washington - the guy who’s never scored from open play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stotty Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Washington - the guy who’s never scored from open play? He's not played very many games to be fair, and definitely not in his preferred position (CF). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) Halkett upfront from the start? He can't run. Last five - ten minutes if we need a goal perhaps but never from the start. He should start on the bench anyway. Edited February 22, 2020 by Cruyff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazinho88 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 59 minutes ago, Castle rock said: What about defensive mid? With Smith and soapy at centre half Swap Halkett and Souttar around in that scenario and it would work imo. Souttar looks to me like he'd fit well in a CDM role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Jeezo 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Still Tynie said: Just play player's in their tried and tested positions, keep it simple 1 hour ago, Five to One said: Much better in the air and knows where the goals are. Uche’s confidence looks shot to pieces. The miss against Hamilton the prime example. 1 hour ago, Holyrood_Hearts said: We have enough square pegs in round holes as it is..... 1 hour ago, rick witter said: I wonder if it will ever catch on. See if we did that we would start winning. I’m sure of it. All of the above, and I take no exception to any of it, tends to lead me to believe that our biggest problem over the Levein years has been the ramshackle recruitment policy at every level from coaches down. We are short of strikers, attacking midfieders, left backs - you name it, yet we seem to have too many right backs, dogs-body midfielders centre backs of varying quality, as for wingers, gawd help us. How many players have we recruited over the last three years, and does anyone have a clue what our best 11 is? Edited February 22, 2020 by upgotheheads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Ribble said: Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. You would think someone with your vast knowledge and understanding of football would know that Halkett was actually a striker before he became a centre half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five to One Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Ribble said: Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. Was just suggesting it could be something worth trying. I accept it may not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNic Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, fabienleclerq said: He's nowhere near a striker, he's good for a last five minutes if we are launching it into the box but full time? No thanks. + 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire_At_The_Disco Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, DH1986 said: He’s more effective up there than Uche...... My dog would put away more chances than uche tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, CJGJ said: Honestly you have to despair at the ops thought Of course in certain situations he can be sent up front but not from the start of a match..just madness A lot said that with Moose. Remember Blackburn Rovers (1990's when they were a top side) done the same with Paul Warhurst and sold him on a Gazillion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Reminds me of Kevin McKenna. Good hard working player who looks a bit unorthodox but would score goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 55 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: All of the above, and I take no exception to any of it, tends to lead me to believe that our biggest problem over the Levein years has been the ramshackle recruitment policy at every level from coaches down. We are short of strikers, attacking midfieders, left backs - you name it, yet we seem to have too many right backs, dogs-body midfielders centre backs of varying quality, as for wingers, gawd help us. How many players have we recruited over the last three years, and does anyone have a clue what our best 11 is? Absolutely spot on. Nobody could pick a Hearts team 2 games running and we expect consistency. Quite embarrassing really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I think if he was capable of playing up front for a whole game Levein would’ve tried it, remember him putting Haring up front against Hibs after telling him on the morning of the game 🙈? He looks more dangerous from open play than from corners though, but I think it’s a last ten minutes thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, rick witter said: Absolutely spot on. Nobody could pick a Hearts team 2 games running and we expect consistency. Quite embarrassing really. How many match day threads do you see that has the " I quite like the look of that side " then to have further quotes after 30 mins of " get him off he is absolute pish " or words to that effect 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, upgotheheads said: All of the above, and I take no exception to any of it, tends to lead me to believe that our biggest problem over the Levein years has been the ramshackle recruitment policy at every level from coaches down. We are short of strikers, attacking midfieders, left backs - you name it, yet we seem to have too many right backs, dogs-body midfielders centre backs of varying quality, as for wingers, gawd help us. How many players have we recruited over the last three years, and does anyone have a clue what our best 11 is? Absolutely, it’s been a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronsajambo Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 The fact that we are even considering this is a reflection of where we are. Very few teams would reposisition a central defender as a striker and expect a positive outcome unless it was an individual game and a 'last ten minutes' desperate tactic. Remember it worked for us (up to a point) with Kevin McKenna but not sure that Halkett is the equivalent of Moose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Gold Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Ribble said: Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. This man is correct. Just because he offers more goal threat than Uche doesn't mean he should be moved position. Says more about Uche more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 3 hours ago, fabienleclerq said: He's nowhere near a striker, he's good for a last five minutes if we are launching it into the box but full time? No thanks. It's the sort of idea that people who have no clue about football put forward regularly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Ribble said: Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. Yes, they do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Yes, swap him with Boyce or Washington. Get Brad Mckay back in as a keeper as well. This fitbaw lark is a piece of piss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Can we please just get a settled XI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 He scores more than Washington from defence so what is the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Walter Bishop said: You would think someone with your vast knowledge and understanding of football would know that Halkett was actually a striker before he became a centre half. You would think someone with your vast knowledge and understanding of football would know that Halkett being a striker before he was a centre half has no bearing on Ribble's point. Edited February 22, 2020 by Governor Tarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajthejambo Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I think some folk are confusing the "might aswell stick him... " comments for what they actually are; criticism of his defensive abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenNaismith Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Craig has played more games in his life as a striker than he has as a defender. That being said I wouldn’t play him up front from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 hours ago, StevenNaismith said: Craig has played more games in his life as a striker than he has as a defender. That being said I wouldn’t play him up front from the start. Professional football games? Or games when he was younger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phage Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Bit daft but hey... cant get any worse sooooo... id entertain the idea, purely out of desperation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy rebus Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Ribble said: Do people really have such a poor understanding of football? Halkett gets goals from set pieces and when he’s moved up front in desperation, he gets spaces and chances because he’s not meant to be there, other teams defences aren’t setup or organised to pick up a centre half who’s ran up front. If he starts there then he’s going to be picked up and marked more closely meaning he won’t get the same chances. This. Some of the more “mature” posters may remember Mike Galloway scoring for fun by making late runs from midfield. We tried him up front and he was shite. Defenders pick up forwards so a late runner or an extra body causes problems. Stick the guy up front and the defence will be onto him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I hope Halkett is moved on in the summer and that replacing the centre halves is a priority. Can't play either Stendel's football or even a more pragmatic style with such a poor defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18254728.james-cairney-livingston-scotlands-best-run-football-club/ There's a refence to Halkett in this but on the wider issue of how are club is run it's very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Coco said: I hope Halkett is moved on in the summer and that replacing the centre halves is a priority. Can't play either Stendel's football or even a more pragmatic style with such a poor defender. Yeah. I'm starting to get a bit concerned about that. We've seen the levels Soapy can play to. His initial partnership with Berra up to the injury was superb. Like, best double act since Pressley and Webster. Phenomenal pairing. Halkett isn't looking strong enough defensively. I wonder though, if he could play in centre-midfield when we need a more defensive minded player? Smith reads the game so much better and I wonder if we're lacking a clear leader at the back with neither being captain? Smith has heaps of experience and alongside Soapy will probably help us leak less goals. Halkett filling in till Sibbick returns in CDM makes a lot of sense for me and adds a bit of physicality we're currently missing (IMO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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