GinRummy Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: I believe Sturgeon will be gutted that an EU deal has been accomplished. For her "give me freedum" cause she really wanted a no deal. As far as her getting an independence referendum it is bad for her, I don’t think many would really doubt that. I still think she’ll get one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, GinRummy said: As far as her getting an independence referendum it is bad for her, I don’t think many would really doubt that. I still think she’ll get one though. She'll not get one from Boris and that's the only one that would count. Any unilateral attempt would have no legal basis or authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: She'll not get one from Boris and that's the only one that would count. Any unilateral attempt would have no legal basis or authority. Uk government caved in before. I reckon they will again. Boris won’t be around too long after Brexit deal apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Finally the SNP have actually achieved something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 On 24/12/2020 at 11:58, Mikey1874 said: This is an achievement 2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Finally the SNP have actually achieved something It was a weak dig the first time mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) Jizzing over the stone of destiny is proper gammon behaviour. The SNP are just Scotland’s answer to UKIP. Edited December 26, 2020 by Dusk_Till_Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Jizzing over the stone of destiny is proper gammon behaviour. The SNP are just Scotland’s answer to UKIP. Apart from the racism, xenophobia and utter ****wittery you are onto something...idiot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Smithee said: It was a weak dig the first time mate Everyone should have this listed in their top five Christmas songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geomac Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Apart from the racism, xenophobia and utter ****wittery you are onto something...idiot... You're giving him too much credit, general ignorance is very common these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 12 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Finally the SNP have actually achieved something The most successful party in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 8 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Jizzing over the stone of destiny is proper gammon behaviour. The SNP are just Scotland’s answer to UKIP. Utterly crass. Scottish history, you mug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 15 hours ago, GinRummy said: Uk government caved in before. I reckon they will again. Boris won’t be around too long after Brexit deal apparently. I could see Rishi taking over early next year once the vaccination programme fully under way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 The Stone has been in the Capital for years - why move it to Perth now ? obviously a natsy publicity stunt of Brigadoon proportions and lapped up by the Jimmy Krankie brigade cocos. She was actually chortling in Parliament when it was raised Hopefully the good people of Edinburgh remember all her anti Capital behaviour in the elections as well as the SNP’s poor performance in government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: The Stone has been in the Capital for years - why move it to Perth now ? obviously a natsy publicity stunt of Brigadoon proportions and lapped up by the Jimmy Krankie brigade cocos. She was actually chortling in Parliament when it was raised Hopefully the good people of Edinburgh remember all her anti Capital behaviour in the elections as well as the SNP’s poor performance in government You have none of that! Landslide SNP win on an Indy ticket. Suck it up & weep. ”Brigadoon & Jimmy Krankie”? You really know how to shape an argument. Yer butt hurt is plain for all to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: You have none of that! Landslide SNP win on an Indy ticket. Suck it up & weep. ”Brigadoon & Jimmy Krankie”? You really know how to shape an argument. Yer butt hurt is plain for all to see. Do you think the SNP will campaign on a rejoin the EU ticket Pans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 10 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Apart from the racism, xenophobia and utter ****wittery you are onto something...idiot... SNP are market leaders there, from top to bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, pablo said: Do you think the SNP will campaign on a rejoin the EU ticket Pans? I certainly do. The Brexit deal allows a future independent Scotland access to English markets as an EU member. The scaremongering argument that was being made about how Scotland would be shutting out its largest trading partner and have to take great pains to negotiate a brand new agreement has now been completely obliterated. As a practical matter they also can't veto Scotland's joining anymore, and they've already given a special dispensation to Northern Ireland, who voted against leaving, while ignoring Scotland's far stronger remain vote entirely. It leaves only one practical solution. The Tories are well discovering the problem with trying to spin so many incompatible lies all at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: SNP are market leaders there, from top to bottom. Please Seymour, tell us more about the SNP being market leaders in racism and xenophobia while sneering at Ireland and calling me a Sherman Tank for my opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Justin Z said: I certainly do. The Brexit deal allows a future independent Scotland access to English markets as an EU member. The scaremongering argument that was being made about how Scotland would be shutting out its largest trading partner and have to take great pains to negotiate a brand new agreement has now been completely obliterated. As a practical matter they also can't veto Scotland's joining anymore, and they've already given a special dispensation to Northern Ireland, who voted against leaving, while ignoring Scotland's far stronger remain vote entirely. It leaves only one practical solution. The Tories are well discovering the problem with trying to spin so many incompatible lies all at once. Interesting. Obviously it will come some pretty extreme challenges. Scotland would first need to meet the criteria to join as a new member, nothing like the conditions the UK walked away from. It would also mean an end to the freedom of movement of people on the Island and customs formalities on the border. Starting life outside of the UK and the EU would be tough. It will be interesting to hear how they position it if that's the road they go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, pablo said: Interesting. Obviously it will come some pretty extreme challenges. Scotland would first need to meet the criteria to join as a new member, nothing like the conditions the UK walked away from. It would also mean an end to the freedom of movement of people on the Island and customs formalities on the border. Starting life outside of the UK and the EU would be tough. It will be interesting to hear how they position it if that's the road they go down. Yeah for sure. It's definitely something in need of a lot of planning and a lot of PR, but the starting point of “no deal” between a newly independent Scotland and the remains of the UK has changed completely—it would now be the exact same access the rest of the EU has. It would also make zero political (or economic) sense to not immediately give the same dispensation to Scotland as Northern Ireland got, and just move that much softer border from the Irish Sea to England/Scotland. Now, England certainly has a recent knack for taking economic decisions that make zero sense as we know, but fool me once/fool me twice and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, pablo said: Do you think the SNP will campaign on a rejoin the EU ticket Pans? Certainly for the right to choose to rejoin IF we want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 57 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: SNP are market leaders there, from top to bottom. Market leaders in plain lies as well with the Murrells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: SNP are market leaders there, from top to bottom. The British Empire has been lovely to other nations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: The British Empire has been lovely to other nations! Scotland and the British Empire John M. MacKenzie and T. M. Devine "The extraordinary influence of Scots in the British Empire has long been recognised. As administrators, settlers, temporary residents, professionals, plantation owners, and as military personnel, they were strikingly prominent in North America, the Caribbean, Australasia, South Africa, India, and colonies in South-East Asia and Africa. Throughout these regions they brought to bear distinctive Scottish experience as well as particular educational, economic, cultural, and religious influences. Moreover, the relationship between Scots and the British Empire had a profound effect upon many aspects of Scottish society". So only the English, Welsh and Northern Irish did bad things the Scottish influence was lovely and fluffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Scotland and the British Empire John M. MacKenzie and T. M. Devine "The extraordinary influence of Scots in the British Empire has long been recognised. As administrators, settlers, temporary residents, professionals, plantation owners, and as military personnel, they were strikingly prominent in North America, the Caribbean, Australasia, South Africa, India, and colonies in South-East Asia and Africa. Throughout these regions they brought to bear distinctive Scottish experience as well as particular educational, economic, cultural, and religious influences. Moreover, the relationship between Scots and the British Empire had a profound effect upon many aspects of Scottish society". So only the English, Welsh and Northern Irish did bad things the Scottish influence was lovely and fluffy. Scots included. I wasn't separating Scots. The British have been brutal to other nations at times. Whatever the SNP have done to cloud your judgement doesn't come close to wars, thieving...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 This thread has taken (another) nonsensical plot twist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Justin Z said: The Brexit deal allows a future independent Scotland access to English markets as an EU member. I've seen this said, but is that definitely so? I'm sure I saw that the agreement stands for the existing members but any countries that join the EU in the future are at the UK's discretion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Smithee said: I've seen this said, but is that definitely so? I'm sure I saw that the agreement stands for the existing members but any countries that join the EU in the future are at the UK's discretion. Interesting, thanks. Obviously we're all trying to absorb a rather large agreement and will have seen different things, so I'd be curious to see the source of that interpretation of it. Even if so, access "to the UK" would be across the Irish Sea to the Republic because of the dispensation already given to Northern Ireland, and it would make no economic sense for either side to make it have to be like that... still, stranger things have already happened, so who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said: Scots included. I wasn't separating Scots. The British have been brutal to other nations at times. Whatever the SNP have done to cloud your judgement doesn't come close to wars, thieving...... Okay so the French, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese were all benign. We British are just the world baddies. In answer to your second sentence I was replying to Konrad's assertion that UKIP were all racists etc and suggested that the SNP and their support were as bad. It was you that brought up empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Okay so the French, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese were all benign. We British are just the world baddies. In answer to your second sentence I was replying to Konrad's assertion that UKIP were all racists etc and suggested that the SNP and their support were as bad. It was you that brought up empire. No, you insisted that the SNP were worse! "Leaders from top to bottom" were your words... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, Konrad von Carstein said: No, you insisted that the SNP were worse! "Leaders from top to bottom" were your words... And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: And? And, you're a slaver... Edited December 27, 2020 by Konrad von Carstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: No, you insisted that the SNP were worse! "Leaders from top to bottom" were your words... Correct. Poor argument as other nations empirical involvement make it even worse. The SNP don't want invade anyone or create any wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: And, you're a slaver... Unionists tend to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 15 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said: Utterly crass. Scottish history, you mug It’s just a bit of rock m8. Giving it a name doesn’t make it any less of a meaningless object Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: It’s just a bit of rock m8. Giving it a name doesn’t make it any less of a meaningless object It's a stone, actually and it's part of the Scottish nation's history. The Queen sits on a chair in a big house wearing a party hat going by your logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: It's a stone, actually and it's part of the Scottish nation's history. The Queen sits on a chair in a big house wearing a party hat going by your logic. I find it hard to get a nob-on over a chunk of rock from the 13th century, that’s all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said: And, you're a slaver... And you're blind to the SNP such is your slavish devotion to the cult. A bit sad really. Typical of nationalists though I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said: Unionists tend to be. WTF does that make you lad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: And you're blind to the SNP such is your slavish devotion to the cult. A bit sad really. Typical of nationalists though I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: WTF does that make you lad? Not a Unionist, thankfully! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: I find it hard to get a nob-on over a chunk of rock from the 13th century, that’s all. It's part of our history though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: And you're blind to the SNP such is your slavish devotion to the cult. A bit sad really. Typical of nationalists though I suppose. I love it when the witless plebs call the SNP a cult. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said: It's a stone, actually and it's part of the Scottish nation's history. The Queen sits on a chair in a big house wearing a party hat going by your logic. Did we no chore it from Ireland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Did we no chore it from Ireland? Don't know if chored but it has an association with Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I love it when the snp supporters call people names - this page is littered with it but it does show they have little else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Don't know if chored but it has an association with Ireland. Think we did. I don't even think it is the original stone anyway. That one's probably in someone's back garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Think we did. I don't even think it is the original stone anyway. That one's probably in someone's back garden. So many stories. I bought Ian Hamilton's autobiography years ago as he was one the students that stole it. It's part of our history whatever it's travels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: I love it when the snp supporters call people names - this page is littered with it but it does show they have little else Both are at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 This guy is on ignore due to his inability to compose a sentence about the SNP without calling MP's, MSP's the First Minister and SNP supporters "names" that and the fact that his only purpose on this and the brexit thread is to troll...but hey, we have little else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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