The rise and fall of The SNP.

[Don Dan]

9 minutes ago, Savage Vince said:

 

I won't be pissing off. 

 

You're posting links without having any idea how credible they are. That's not clever. Make jelly or something and leave this thread to the grown ups. 

 Tell me do you do credibility checks on everyone  or source you quote? Of course you don’t. 

Last word to you from me Bye

Edited December 11, 2021 by Boy Daniel

[Don Dan]

Just now, Savage Vince said:

 

You so realise that you are acknowledging now that you just post any old shite without any thought whatsoever whilst calling other people idiots and arseholes? 😁

see my last post muppet

[Savage Vince]

1 minute ago, Boy Daniel said:

see my last post muppet

 

😁

[Unknown user]

2 hours ago, Boy Daniel said:

 Tell me do you do credibility checks on everyone  or source you quote? Of course you don’t. 

Last word to you from me Bye

 

If I'm posting something where the credibility could be questioned then yes, unless feeling particularly lazy. I want to know what I'm talking about apart from anything else. We've all done it of course but you try to minimise posting shite!

 

Anyway, as I said, this is Westminster's decision so why's that Tory arsehole blaming Sturgeon?

[jambo89]

12 hours ago, Boy Daniel said:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/cambo-oil-field-nicola-sturgeon-is-wrong-to-oppose-new-drilling-and-defending-oil-workers-jobs-is-not-hard-right-murdo-fraser-msp-3485192?amp
 

 

Possibly as many as 100,000 Scottish jobs will be lost with no plans for how they are to be replaced if the Scottish First Minister gets her way. This was not a policy or a plan for transition but it is possibly the most expensive press release in Scottish history.
 

https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/sturgeon-faces-backlash-after-shell-pulls-out-of-north-sea-oilfield/?amp
 

Wood, one of Scotland’s most successful businessmen, described Sturgeon’s U-turn last month as “counterproductive and damaging”. He said that there was evidence that hydrocarbons would be needed to meet energy needs until at least 2060, and that prematurely ending operations would place up to 100,000 jobs at risk.

 

Thanks, although this does not support the original posters claims that 100,000 jobs will be lost due to Sturgeon's Cambo "decision". 

 

[jack D and coke]

We can’t base our independence on oil now comrades. Not only do we have to move on but it’s aw running oot and no worth buttons once you get it oot anyway. 
Just because Sir Ian told us the UK ( YES THE UK) can’t meet its balance of payments if we stop drilling for it we really have to leave it in the ground.

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by jack D and coke

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, jonesy said:

That’s politics, Smiffer.

 

I could run up to you, drop ma troos, fart in yer fizzer, cause you to choke and gag on the smell, and then blame you for having a nose.

From the leaders to the cheerers, that’s politics.

 

 

It's part of politics, the other part is people who actually read the full article pointing and going "bullshit, it's **** all to do with her"

 

 

[Japan Jambo]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

It's part of politics, the other part is people who actually read the full article pointing and going "bullshit, it's **** all to do with her"

 

 

 

Not entirely fair or true Smithee. Shell made the decision only after she eventually got off the fence and set her stall out against it. They weighed up that the political risk and reputational damage was worth more than the incremental income. They'll no doubt sell their rights to someone lower down the food chain who holds less scruples than they do and redouble efforts in Nigeria or the like.

 

Don't understand why you don't just own this and have her take credit for taking a principled decision.

 

 

[Unknown user]

13 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

Not entirely fair or true Smithee. Shell made the decision only after she eventually got off the fence and set her stall out against it. They weighed up that the political risk and reputational damage was worth more than the incremental income. They'll no doubt sell their rights to someone lower down the food chain who holds less scruples than they do and redouble efforts in Nigeria or the like.

 

Don't understand why you don't just own this and have her take credit for taking a principled decision.

 

 

It isn't her decision, Westminster decides.

[Japan Jambo]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

 

It isn't her decision, Westminster decides.

 

I sometimes wonder if you ever read what I write!!

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

I sometimes wonder if you ever read what I write!!

 

I ignored the bit where you gave the giant company's thoughts, certainly.

 

I'd say it's much more likely that, as Sturgeon has **** all to do with the decision, Shell were quietly informed that WM wouldn't be approving it.

 

Either way, it's not Sturgeon's decision any more than having the world cup in Qatar was.

[Savage Vince]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

I ignored the bit where you gave the giant company's thoughts, certainly.

 

😊

[manaliveits105]

Meanwhile in Never never land the krankies are going to spend £10m next year on shadow embassies whilst reducing council funding and teachers and nurses salaries in real terms 

SG absolute crackpots 

[JackLadd]

You need quite a strong mind to resist the snp propaganda machine. Peek under their bonnet though and their gleaming Ferrari has the engine of a Vespa scooter.

[manaliveits105]

Aw naw mair bad news 

[Unknown user]

54 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

You need quite a strong mind to resist the snp propaganda machine. Peek under their bonnet though and their gleaming Ferrari has the engine of a Vespa scooter.

 

[JackLadd]

I see Smithee has exotic bedroom tastes. Poor creature is clearly unimpressed by his efforts mind😅 

[Japan Jambo]

4 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

I see Smithee has exotic bedroom tastes. Poor creature is clearly unimpressed by his efforts mind😅 

 

Probably decided that it's best to sleep through it.

[JackLadd]

16 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

Probably decided that it's best to sleep through it.

 

Doubt it's slumber was affected much. 

[A Boy Named Crow]

14 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

We can’t base our independence on oil now comrades. Not only do we have to move on but it’s aw running oot and no worth buttons once you get it oot anyway. 
Just because Sir Ian told us the UK ( YES THE UK) can’t meet its balance of payments if we stop drilling for it we really have to leave it in the ground.

 

The big players in the green hydrogen industry around the world see Scotland as a "future fuels superpower" due to abundant renewables, proximity to Europe etc.  

 

We should be leaving the black stuff in the ground, and really investing in hydrogen / ammonia production. 

[Unknown user]

[manaliveits105]

Is that Sturgeons Christmas hairdo ?

 

 

 

[Savage Vince]

11 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Aw naw mair bad news 

 

The Sunday Express 😀

[Unknown user]

11 minutes ago, Savage Vince said:

 

The Sunday Express 😀

That's her even more unpopular. With gammon 

 

[Savage Vince]

2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

That's her even more unpopular. With gammon 

 

 

Sunday Gammon 😃

[Alex Kintner]

12 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Aw naw mair bad news 

Being voted public enemy number one by the Free Speech Union is great news. Doing all the right things if that mob are annoyed at you. 👍🏻

[The Mighty Thor]

13 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Aw naw mair bad news 

Ah Toby Young. 

 

The Free Speech Union? One can only imagine. 

 

If you join Toby's FSU do you get a two-fer on a membership with the Critical (Unilaterally Named) Thinkers club?

 

[manaliveits105]

oooooooh the krankie pile on - good to see a reverting to the " gammon"  usage after being scared off the "uncle Tam " by racist threats 

keep fighting the good cause - what dates the referendum ?

 

 

[Unknown user]

4 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

oooooooh the krankie pile on - good to see a reverting to the " gammon"  usage after being scared off the "uncle Tam " by racist threats 

keep fighting the good cause - what dates the referendum ?

 

 

"Ooooooh"

Tell us again how you voted Yes, Uncle Tam Gammon

[manaliveits105]

OK I voted yes in 2014 only to find out that the snp had told us a complete pile of shit and we would have been in serious trouble rather than self sufficient after 3 years  and here we are 7 years later and despite new  people in charge they still have no answers to the critical independence questions whilst running the country down on most fronts . Their rabid supporters use of insults and emoticons to persuade non believers shows them up as very sad people .

 

£10million pounds on shadow embassies in coming year has got to be a joke or is the pandemic over ? 

 

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

OK I voted yes in 2014 only to find out that the snp had told us a complete pile of shit and we would have been in serious trouble rather than self sufficient after 3 years  and here we are 7 years later and despite new  people in charge they still have no answers to the critical independence questions whilst running the country down on most fronts . Their rabid supporters use of insults and emoticons to persuade non believers shows them up as very sad people .

 

£10million pounds on shadow embassies in coming year has got to be a joke or is the pandemic over ? 

 

 

[jack D and coke]

 

[Konrad von Carstein]

35 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

OK I voted yes in 2014 only to find out that the snp had told us a complete pile of shit and we would have been in serious trouble rather than self sufficient after 3 years  and here we are 7 years later and despite new  people in charge they still have no answers to the critical independence questions whilst running the country down on most fronts . Their rabid supporters use of insults and emoticons to persuade non believers shows them up as very sad people .

 

£10million pounds on shadow embassies in coming year has got to be a joke or is the pandemic over ? 

 

Taking your story at face value, no matter how ever dubious it is, you say all of that but are delighted with Brexit (50 years before the country sees the benefit of that shitstorm apparently ) and the chumocracy that is in charge at Westminster!?

Billions of taxpayer's money literally given away and/or wasted, but yeah SNP bad.

Edited December 13, 2021 by Konrad von Carstein

[manaliveits105]

1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Taking your story at face value, no matter how ever dubious it is, you say all of that but are delighted with Brexit (50 years before the country sees the benefit of that shitstorm apparently ) and the chumocracy that is in charge at Westminster!?

Billions of taxpayer's money literally given away and/or wasted, but yeah SNP bad.

As someone who spends half the year in Spain I voted NO to brexit and no one was more disappointed but we are  where we are now and there is no point in constantly whinging on about it we just have to get on 

as far as Scotland goes the current SG is awful.

[Konrad von Carstein]

26 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

As someone who spends half the year in Spain I voted NO to brexit and no one was more disappointed but we are  where we are now and there is no point in constantly whinging on about it we just have to get on 

as far as Scotland goes the current SG is awful.

Fair enough... But you said something long the lines of "Come on in the water's lovely"  in relation to Brexit and the potential for other exits from the EU, hope you can see how. I may have got the wrong end of the stick 🙈

[Pans Jambo]

Quite a few loony yoony rants on here these days 

 

Must be upset about their hero turning everything he touches to shit....well that and the SNP STILL haven't fallen despite the thread title 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Pans Jambo

[The Real Maroonblood]

21 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Quite a few loony yoony rants on here these days 

 

Must be upset about their hero turning everything he touches to shit....well that and the SNP STILL haven't fallen despite the thread title 

[jack D and coke]

2 hours ago, jonesy said:

Hypocrites be a-hypocriting.

You never seem to pounce on any shite posts by the dafty a who go on about shortbread senate or haggis bashers etc. One mention of uncle tam or hoose jock and your on it like a flash  

There would be no posts or pile ons as he calls it (very, very touchy the daftys I’ll say that) about manalive if he would attenmpt (just once) to engage in a debate. He seems unable to🤷🏽‍♂️
But everyday day in life it’s more tsanumis/tidal waves - depending on your leader of choice - of complete pish he posts. I’ll have a bit of fun with it I mean no harm either but post steaming puddles of urine and get banged as they say😃

Maybe need to stop being so touchy you lot. 

[Konrad von Carstein]

31 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Shortbread isn’t a protected characteristic (yet!). Skin colour/race is.  

Gammon isn't a racial skin colour (yet) either you bampot

[Des Lynam]

5 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

OK I voted yes in 2014 only to find out that the snp had told us a complete pile of shit and we would have been in serious trouble rather than self sufficient after 3 years  and here we are 7 years later and despite new  people in charge they still have no answers to the critical independence questions whilst running the country down on most fronts . Their rabid supporters use of insults and emoticons to persuade non believers shows them up as very sad people .

 

£10million pounds on shadow embassies in coming year has got to be a joke or is the pandemic over ? 

 

 

 
 

Whilst defending and championing the Conservatives day in, day out.  

[Unknown user]

41 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Shortbread isn’t a protected characteristic (yet!). Skin colour/race is.  

 

Are you gammon?

[Hmfc1965]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

Quite a few loony yoony rants on here these days 

 

Must be upset about their hero turning everything he touches to shit....well that and the SNP STILL haven't fallen despite the thread title 

Do you not get that it's quite possible to not be a Tory (I've never voted for them in my life and can't see I ever will) but not support Scottish independence. 

[JackLadd]

Is Nippy Hustle going to ban the fans again? 'Measures' n that.

[Seymour M Hersh]

 According to the forecasts from the Scottish Fiscal Commission published at the end of last week, Scotland will still have a significant shortfall in income tax revenues over the next few years.

True, the Commission argues the shortfall would have been greater without the extra levy, but it is still way below targets and doing nothing to help fund public services. Indeed, despite tax rises worth an estimated £535m, one forecaster at the Institute for Fiscal Studies suggests Scotland will only have only an extra £6m to spend as a result of the changes.

 

Paul Johnson, the widely respected, and always strictly impartial director of the IFS, succinctly put it, the “Scottish government has implemented over £500m of income tax increases (equivalent to more than £5bn in UK terms). These have netted ‘nothing’ in additional revenues relative to no devolution. Scottish incomes have risen more slowly, and [the] income tax base has shrunk, relative to [the] UK.”

[Konrad von Carstein]

18 minutes ago, jonesy said:

We’ve raced this track before.

 

Yup...and in my humble opinion, you're point of view is incorrect...No need to labour the point further.  

[manaliveits105]

18 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 According to the forecasts from the Scottish Fiscal Commission published at the end of last week, Scotland will still have a significant shortfall in income tax revenues over the next few years.

True, the Commission argues the shortfall would have been greater without the extra levy, but it is still way below targets and doing nothing to help fund public services. Indeed, despite tax rises worth an estimated £535m, one forecaster at the Institute for Fiscal Studies suggests Scotland will only have only an extra £6m to spend as a result of the changes.

 

Paul Johnson, the widely respected, and always strictly impartial director of the IFS, succinctly put it, the “Scottish government has implemented over £500m of income tax increases (equivalent to more than £5bn in UK terms). These have netted ‘nothing’ in additional revenues relative to no devolution. Scottish incomes have risen more slowly, and [the] income tax base has shrunk, relative to [the] UK.”

Don’t confuse our resident know it all’s with facts 

[Unknown user]

24 minutes ago, jonesy said:

We’ve raced this track before.

 

Am I gammon?

[Alex Kintner]

4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Am I gammon?

That would be a brilliant name for a horse 😂😂😂

[doctor jambo]

33 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 According to the forecasts from the Scottish Fiscal Commission published at the end of last week, Scotland will still have a significant shortfall in income tax revenues over the next few years.

True, the Commission argues the shortfall would have been greater without the extra levy, but it is still way below targets and doing nothing to help fund public services. Indeed, despite tax rises worth an estimated £535m, one forecaster at the Institute for Fiscal Studies suggests Scotland will only have only an extra £6m to spend as a result of the changes.

 

Paul Johnson, the widely respected, and always strictly impartial director of the IFS, succinctly put it, the “Scottish government has implemented over £500m of income tax increases (equivalent to more than £5bn in UK terms). These have netted ‘nothing’ in additional revenues relative to no devolution. Scottish incomes have risen more slowly, and [the] income tax base has shrunk, relative to [the] UK.”

It has been said many times, and proven many times over. The higher the tax rates , the lower the tax take.

Its not rocket science, when a govt takes about the same as you from each hours labour , folks be avoiding.

 

[Unknown user]

16 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

That would be a brilliant name for a horse 😂😂😂

Racing colours porky pink with red white and blue, gawd lav her