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What we have here in Scotland is a corrupt wee fiefdom based on cult worship. Bottle merchant Hibs'd it Hamilton is the final proof anybody needed for that. 

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1 minute ago, JackLadd said:

What we have here in Scotland is a corrupt wee fiefdom based on cult worship. Bottle merchant Hibs'd it Hamilton is the final proof anybody needed for that. 

 

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Brighton Jambo
7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Clutching at the flimsiest of straws.  It's only natural in the face of abject disappointment.

There is no abject disappointment here.  She misled MSP’s - Hamilton has said so (see above) and tomorrow a committee with a pro independence majority will confirm that.  
 

the report also says Para 7.11 of the report says “It is for the Scottish Parliament to decide whether they were in fact misled”. 
 

They will decide but due to being propped up by the Greens she will survive.  

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Just now, Brighton Jambo said:

There is no abject disappointment here.  She misled MSP’s - Hamilton has said so (see above) and tomorrow a committee with a pro independence majority will confirm that.  
 

the report also says Para 7.11 of the #HamiltonReport says “It is for the Scottish Parliament to decide whether they were in fact misled”. 
 

They will decide but due to being propped up by the Greens she will survive.  

 

Fail.  

 

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I wonder if The Mooth will turn her attention to MPs who actually HAVE broken the Ministerial Code?


Step forward Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock and Priti Patel.

 

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Just now, Ray Gin said:

I wonder if The Mooth will turn her attention to MPs who actually HAVE broken the Ministerial Code?


Step forward Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock and Priti Patel.

 

 

Nah.  Time to scuttle off to the guaranteed lifetime gravy train of the Lords.  

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Peakybunnet
18 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

Out of interest what's the deal now with the MSP's report due tomorrow? 

 

Its almost going to be a dead duck. The vote on the enquiry was based around party politics and is quite embarrassing for all parties including the SNP. 

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If I heard the STV report correctly it’s up to the Parliament to decide if she broke the ministerial code 🤷‍♂️

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Enzo Chiefo

Scotlamd is rotten to the core and Sturgeon's pick n mix view of democracy will be on show again tomorrow.  She is damaged goods though and the country has the chance to send these divisive crooks and charlatans packing in May. Vote tactically and get them to ****.

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1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said:

I don’t like sturgeon but Ken what, the tories have utterly shameful in all this. 
 

she has been cleared. Now time for Boris, Patel and the rest of the ***** to do the same. See how clean they are. 

Couldn't agree more, the results weren't even published when they were calling for votes of no confidence.

 

It's been pure politicking masquerading as a moral crusade, and Labour should be careful where they align themselves here - they sided with the Tories once before in Scotland and look where that got them.

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Staggered to discover that opposition parties insist that parliamentarians,  not an independent legal expert,  should be trusted to decide.  Shocked,  staggered and dumbfounded.

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1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Scotlamd is rotten to the core and Sturgeon's pick n mix view of democracy will be on show again tomorrow.  She is damaged goods though and the country has the chance to send these divisive crooks and charlatans packing in May. Vote tactically and get them to ****.

 

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Brighton Jambo
7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Fail.  

 

:jjyay:

You are usually a smart guy/girl so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

what part of  "incomplete narrative of events" to MSPs seems to be hard for you to understand.  

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What we need to do is read Hamilton’s report. I’m sure it will be published somewhere. Then we can make our own judgement on what the findings actually say. 

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Seymour M Hersh
1 minute ago, Peakybunnet said:

 

Its almost going to be a dead duck. The vote on the enquiry was based around party politics and is quite embarrassing for all parties including the SNP. 

 

We'll see. Bearing in mind the SNP set up the committee of nine weighted in her favour. Four SNP, one Green and four others they must have been really surprised it appears (from the leaks) she lost. Can't believe the Green would have gone against Harvie's 3 line whip to support so does it mean SNP MSPs have gone against the dear leader? 

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4 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Scotlamd is rotten to the core and Sturgeon's pick n mix view of democracy will be on show again tomorrow.  She is damaged goods though and the country has the chance to send these divisive crooks and charlatans packing in May. Vote tactically and get them to ****.

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Just now, Brighton Jambo said:

You are usually a smart guy/girl so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

what part of  "incomplete narrative of events" to MSPs seems to be hard for you to understand.  

 

I understand it just fine mate.  You've interpreted that incorrectly.  There is no definition of that sentence that means "misled".  It means that details were incomplete because of details being forgotten.  No more and no less.

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3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Staggered to discover that opposition parties insist that parliamentarians,  not an independent legal expert,  should be trusted to decide.  Shocked,  staggered and dumbfounded.

 

Come on Vicky he's not independent he's paid by the Scottish Government and was appointed by Sturgeon.  Poodle licks owner, nothing to see here springs to mind. 

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1 minute ago, Boy Daniel said:

What we need to do is read Hamilton’s report. I’m sure it will be published somewhere. Then we can make our own judgement on what the findings actually say. 

This is an interesting part.  “An incomplete narrative of events”.  Claiming she genuinely forgot when first Informed about Alex Salmonds misdemeanours.  Of course she did, I mean, who wouldn’t.  2E280054-89F6-4EA7-92D2-C8A4D659CAED.png.3c2e4007a418df804b07454b076472de.png

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3 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

What we need to do is read Hamilton’s report. I’m sure it will be published somewhere. Then we can make our own judgement on what the findings actually say. 

 

It is published.

 

But you can't read the full report apparently. Black lines cover some of the content. 

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4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

What we need to do is read Hamilton’s report. I’m sure it will be published somewhere. Then we can make our own judgement on what the findings actually say. 

 

It is published.

 

But you can't read the full report apparently. Black lines cover some of the content. 

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Just now, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Come on Vicky he's not independent he's paid by the Scottish Government and was appointed by Sturgeon.  Poodle licks owner, nothing to see here springs to mind. 

 

If Hamilton had found that she had broken the ministerial code then they would be claiming that as the blue ribband.  Case over.  Found guilty by an independent legal expert.  Now that they don't have that,  they're crying about parliament being best placed to decide.  It's risible and embarrassing.

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Seymour M Hersh
2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

It is published.

 

But you can't read the full report apparently. Black lines cover some of the content. 

 

Should have paid the extra for a decent printer. 

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8 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Staggered to discover that opposition parties insist that parliamentarians,  not an independent legal expert,  should be trusted to decide.  Shocked,  staggered and dumbfounded.

 

What James Hamilton said

 

 

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Seymour M Hersh
Just now, Victorian said:

 

If Hamilton had found that she had broken the ministerial code then they would be claiming that as the blue ribband.  Case over.  Found guilty by an independent legal expert.  Now that they don't have that,  they're crying about parliament being best placed to decide.  It's risible and embarrassing.

 

You are. 

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Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

What James Hamilton said

 

 

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But not the breach of the ministerial code,  which is the crucial aspect.

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1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Come on Vicky he's not independent he's paid by the Scottish Government and was appointed by Sturgeon.  Poodle licks owner, nothing to see here springs to mind. 

Funny because up until now everyone has agreed how impartial he is, they've been talking on the radio (Radio 4 too) about how his report is the one independent report that should be listened to.

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32 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

The Hamilton report clearly backs up the findings that were leaked last week.  

 

Funny, that.

 

 

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Just now, Smithee said:

Funny because up until now everyone has agreed how impartial he is, they've been talking on the radio (Radio 4 too) about how his report is the one independent report that should be listened to.

 

I know.  It's lamentable patter.

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3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

You are. 

 

Dummy fully launched across the room at this point :lol:

 

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2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Funny because up until now everyone has agreed how impartial he is, they've been talking on the radio (Radio 4 too) about how his report is the one independent report that should be listened to.

 

These sudden about-faces are no less than I would expect given the track records of the posters in question, so at least it's not disappointing.

 

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132goals1958
8 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

We'll see. Bearing in mind the SNP set up the committee of nine weighted in her favour. Four SNP, one Green and four others they must have been really surprised it appears (from the leaks) she lost. Can't believe the Green would have gone against Harvie's 3 line whip to support so does it mean SNP MSPs have gone against the dear leader? 

 

It was allays a four / four vote along party lines. Quite telling though that Andy Wightman an independent and former green went against her.

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40 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

His report said Nicola Sturgeon had given an "incomplete narrative of events" to MSPs.

But he said this was a "genuine failure of recollection" and not deliberate.
 

So that backs up what we know the committee report will say that she misled parliament.  Is clear there’s no way to prove that she did it deliberately.

 

So tomorrow we will get a committee report that will say something backed up by the Hamilton report and so round and round we go.  
 

Alex Salmonds next move will be fascinating.  

His next move will be out of Scotland. Maybe the tories can give him a seat in the house of lords

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coconut doug

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Of course it's perfectly reasonable for the FM to forget where she was when she was first informed of allegations of sexual misconduct by her predecessor. If you believe that etc. 

 

But what are we expected to believe? Is it that she was told about Salmond at this meeting and forgot or is it that she wasn't told and that a Q C  and others who said she was told are lying?

 

This is important as her office initiated the flawed disciplinary procedure before she says she was told but after the meeting with Salmond's aide and the QC.

 

 

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Seymour M Hersh

Well at least it's not as if he (Hamilton) has any history of clearing FM's in devolved nations of misleading Parliaments.  :lol: Must be the go to guy when in soapy bubble. 

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