ri Alban Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 The tears. They're glorious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 What we have here in Scotland is a corrupt wee fiefdom based on cult worship. Bottle merchant Hibs'd it Hamilton is the final proof anybody needed for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, JackLadd said: What we have here in Scotland is a corrupt wee fiefdom based on cult worship. Bottle merchant Hibs'd it Hamilton is the final proof anybody needed for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Victorian said: Clutching at the flimsiest of straws. It's only natural in the face of abject disappointment. There is no abject disappointment here. She misled MSP’s - Hamilton has said so (see above) and tomorrow a committee with a pro independence majority will confirm that. the report also says Para 7.11 of the report says “It is for the Scottish Parliament to decide whether they were in fact misled”. They will decide but due to being propped up by the Greens she will survive. Edited March 22, 2021 by Brighton Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Brighton Jambo said: There is no abject disappointment here. She misled MSP’s - Hamilton has said so (see above) and tomorrow a committee with a pro independence majority will confirm that. the report also says Para 7.11 of the #HamiltonReport says “It is for the Scottish Parliament to decide whether they were in fact misled”. They will decide but due to being propped up by the Greens she will survive. Fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I wonder if The Mooth will turn her attention to MPs who actually HAVE broken the Ministerial Code? Step forward Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock and Priti Patel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Ray Gin said: I wonder if The Mooth will turn her attention to MPs who actually HAVE broken the Ministerial Code? Step forward Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock and Priti Patel. Nah. Time to scuttle off to the guaranteed lifetime gravy train of the Lords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peakybunnet Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Out of interest what's the deal now with the MSP's report due tomorrow? Its almost going to be a dead duck. The vote on the enquiry was based around party politics and is quite embarrassing for all parties including the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 If I heard the STV report correctly it’s up to the Parliament to decide if she broke the ministerial code 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Enzo Chiefo Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Scotlamd is rotten to the core and Sturgeon's pick n mix view of democracy will be on show again tomorrow. She is damaged goods though and the country has the chance to send these divisive crooks and charlatans packing in May. Vote tactically and get them to ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: I don’t like sturgeon but Ken what, the tories have utterly shameful in all this. she has been cleared. Now time for Boris, Patel and the rest of the ***** to do the same. See how clean they are. Couldn't agree more, the results weren't even published when they were calling for votes of no confidence. It's been pure politicking masquerading as a moral crusade, and Labour should be careful where they align themselves here - they sided with the Tories once before in Scotland and look where that got them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Staggered to discover that opposition parties insist that parliamentarians, not an independent legal expert, should be trusted to decide. Shocked, staggered and dumbfounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Scotlamd is rotten to the core and Sturgeon's pick n mix view of democracy will be on show again tomorrow. She is damaged goods though and the country has the chance to send these divisive crooks and charlatans packing in May. Vote tactically and get them to ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Victorian said: Fail. You are usually a smart guy/girl so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt. what part of "incomplete narrative of events" to MSPs seems to be hard for you to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 What we need to do is read Hamilton’s report. I’m sure it will be published somewhere. Then we can make our own judgement on what the findings actually say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Peakybunnet said: Its almost going to be a dead duck. The vote on the enquiry was based around party politics and is quite embarrassing for all parties including the SNP. We'll see. Bearing in mind the SNP set up the committee of nine weighted in her favour. Four SNP, one Green and four others they must have been really surprised it appears (from the leaks) she lost. Can't believe the Green would have gone against Harvie's 3 line whip to support so does it mean SNP MSPs have gone against the dear leader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Scotlamd is rotten to the core and Sturgeon's pick n mix view of democracy will be on show again tomorrow. She is damaged goods though and the country has the chance to send these divisive crooks and charlatans packing in May. Vote tactically and get them to ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Brighton Jambo said: You are usually a smart guy/girl so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt. what part of "incomplete narrative of events" to MSPs seems to be hard for you to understand. I understand it just fine mate. You've interpreted that incorrectly. There is no definition of that sentence that means "misled". It means that details were incomplete because of details being forgotten. No more and no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 If Harvie goes along with the stooge Hamilton sham there will be a price to pay in May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Victorian said: Staggered to discover that opposition parties insist that parliamentarians, not an independent legal expert, should be trusted to decide. Shocked, staggered and dumbfounded. Come on Vicky he's not independent he's paid by the Scottish Government and was appointed by Sturgeon. Poodle licks owner, nothing to see here springs to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Boy Daniel said: What we need to do is read Hamilton’s report. I’m sure it will be published somewhere. Then we can make our own judgement on what the findings actually say. This is an interesting part. “An incomplete narrative of events”. Claiming she genuinely forgot when first Informed about Alex Salmonds misdemeanours. Of course she did, I mean, who wouldn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1998 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Fantastic news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: What we need to do is read Hamilton’s report. I’m sure it will be published somewhere. Then we can make our own judgement on what the findings actually say. It is published. But you can't read the full report apparently. Black lines cover some of the content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: What we need to do is read Hamilton’s report. I’m sure it will be published somewhere. Then we can make our own judgement on what the findings actually say. It is published. But you can't read the full report apparently. Black lines cover some of the content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Cade said: The tears. They're glorious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Victorian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Seymour M Hersh said: Come on Vicky he's not independent he's paid by the Scottish Government and was appointed by Sturgeon. Poodle licks owner, nothing to see here springs to mind. If Hamilton had found that she had broken the ministerial code then they would be claiming that as the blue ribband. Case over. Found guilty by an independent legal expert. Now that they don't have that, they're crying about parliament being best placed to decide. It's risible and embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: It is published. But you can't read the full report apparently. Black lines cover some of the content. Should have paid the extra for a decent printer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Victorian said: Staggered to discover that opposition parties insist that parliamentarians, not an independent legal expert, should be trusted to decide. Shocked, staggered and dumbfounded. What James Hamilton said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Victorian said: If Hamilton had found that she had broken the ministerial code then they would be claiming that as the blue ribband. Case over. Found guilty by an independent legal expert. Now that they don't have that, they're crying about parliament being best placed to decide. It's risible and embarrassing. You are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Mikey1874 said: What James Hamilton said But not the breach of the ministerial code, which is the crucial aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Come on Vicky he's not independent he's paid by the Scottish Government and was appointed by Sturgeon. Poodle licks owner, nothing to see here springs to mind. Funny because up until now everyone has agreed how impartial he is, they've been talking on the radio (Radio 4 too) about how his report is the one independent report that should be listened to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Seymour M Hersh said: You are. Jesus mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I'm not even a fan boy but the tears and spotters on this thread will be entertaining 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 32 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: The Hamilton report clearly backs up the findings that were leaked last week. Funny, that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Smithee said: Funny because up until now everyone has agreed how impartial he is, they've been talking on the radio (Radio 4 too) about how his report is the one independent report that should be listened to. I know. It's lamentable patter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Justin Z Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: You are. Dummy fully launched across the room at this point 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: Funny because up until now everyone has agreed how impartial he is, they've been talking on the radio (Radio 4 too) about how his report is the one independent report that should be listened to. These sudden about-faces are no less than I would expect given the track records of the posters in question, so at least it's not disappointing. Edited March 22, 2021 by Justin Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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132goals1958 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: We'll see. Bearing in mind the SNP set up the committee of nine weighted in her favour. Four SNP, one Green and four others they must have been really surprised it appears (from the leaks) she lost. Can't believe the Green would have gone against Harvie's 3 line whip to support so does it mean SNP MSPs have gone against the dear leader? It was allays a four / four vote along party lines. Quite telling though that Andy Wightman an independent and former green went against her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Justin Z Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: And so the conspiracy theories march on. Quelle surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Victorian Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Some of Hamilton's findings seem to cast a bit of doubt in Salmond's recollection of events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 40 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: His report said Nicola Sturgeon had given an "incomplete narrative of events" to MSPs. But he said this was a "genuine failure of recollection" and not deliberate. So that backs up what we know the committee report will say that she misled parliament. Is clear there’s no way to prove that she did it deliberately. So tomorrow we will get a committee report that will say something backed up by the Hamilton report and so round and round we go. Alex Salmonds next move will be fascinating. His next move will be out of Scotland. Maybe the tories can give him a seat in the house of lords Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Of course it's perfectly reasonable for the FM to forget where she was when she was first informed of allegations of sexual misconduct by her predecessor. If you believe that etc. But what are we expected to believe? Is it that she was told about Salmond at this meeting and forgot or is it that she wasn't told and that a Q C and others who said she was told are lying? This is important as her office initiated the flawed disciplinary procedure before she says she was told but after the meeting with Salmond's aide and the QC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Well at least it's not as if he (Hamilton) has any history of clearing FM's in devolved nations of misleading Parliaments. Must be the go to guy when in soapy bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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