Yoda Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Paisley Jambo said: Our scouting under Levein, when Killie signed O’Donnell, was too inept to identify decent players. Correct. We got Danny Amwanka instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Yoda said: Correct. We got Danny Amwanka instead. No, we got Michael Smith the same season Killie signed ODonnell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, chester copperpot said: He very much is Celtic minded. Attended a catholic primary school in Wishaw. Met him a couple of weeks ago. So is Hickey and Boyce, doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said: No, we got Michael Smith the same season Killie signed ODonnell. He plays centre midfield or centre half as much as right back because the signings he has to cover in have been pap or crocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Paisley Jambo said: Our scouting under Levein, when Killie signed O’Donnell, was too inept to identify decent players. when Killie signed ODonnell, we signed Smith, Lafferty, Berra and Jon Mclaughlin as well as the duds some choose to remember instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Last Laff said: He plays centre midfield or centre half as much as right back because the signings he has to cover in have been pap or crocked. Not when we signed him, and doesnt that just reinforce what a good signing he’s been? Edited February 16, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Not when we signed him, and doesnt that just reinforce what a good signing he’s been? Yes, he has been a good signing. Unfortunately he can’t play in his natural position though because other signings have been shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: when Killie signed ODonnell, we signed Smith, Lafferty, Berra and Jon Mclaughlin as well as the duds some choose to remember instead. The glory days. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I think he’s utter shite to be honest. Always their weakest player when we play them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peakybunnet Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 When they beat us 3-2, two weeks ago I said to my mate that he was a player. Strolled up and down the right and mopped up anything our attack could throw at him, Big and strong with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 57 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: when Killie signed ODonnell, we signed Smith, Lafferty, Berra and Jon Mclaughlin as well as the duds some choose to remember instead. Unfortunately for us, the duds way out number the good signings you mention. Hence our current league position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Gashauskis9 said: I think he’s utter shite to be honest. Always their weakest player when we play them. I can’t remember their weakest player as they always seem to pump us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS98 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Would improve us right now in our current state but he’s not a great player. Good athlete and looks like a football player but he’s destined for a life in English lower Leagues. Consistently the weakest link in Scotland games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1874 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Could he play centre half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Last Laff said: Yes, he has been a good signing. Unfortunately he can’t play in his natural position though because other signings have been shite. Thats not the discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Yoda said: Unfortunately for us, the duds way out number the good signings you mention. Hence our current league position. Not that season they didn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Can't keep up, so he's great now? Last time I checked on here he was slated but that was when he was playing for Scotland and it's cool to slate anyone who plays for Scotland. Strolled it against us. Reminds me of Patterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 5 hours ago, cardboardcutout said: Exactly the type of player we need, strong , quick and athletic with great delivery and can defend too! Been saying this for weeks since I heard he was out of contract in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5291206/kilmarnock-stephen-odonnell-fart/ 🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 19 hours ago, cardboardcutout said: Exactly the type of player we need, strong , quick and athletic with great delivery and can defend too! Would he be interested in the Championship? Can we afford to pay Premier league salaries in the Championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Jambo Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 16/02/2020 at 20:34, ToqueJambo said: when Killie signed ODonnell, we signed Smith, Lafferty, Berra and Jon Mclaughlin as well as the duds some choose to remember instead. I understand your point although O’Donnell still with Killie but Smith only one of four still with us. Levein signings not long term enough to have a sustained impact. You could say Lafferty and McLaughlin used club until a better offer came along. I could have scouted Berra and Lafferty so no pats on the back to Craig there. For each of the decent players you have highlighted I could name at least 5 duds Levein signed since taking control when Neilson left. Our signing/player turn over policy under Levein has been a complete disaster. I’m sure nobody could argue against that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, Paisley Jambo said: I understand your point although O’Donnell still with Killie but Smith only one of four still with us. Levein signings not long term enough to have a sustained impact. You could say Lafferty and McLaughlin used club until a better offer came along. I could have scouted Berra and Lafferty so no pats on the back to Craig there. For each of the decent players you have highlighted I could name at least 5 duds Levein signed since taking control when Neilson left. Our signing/player turn over policy under Levein has been a complete disaster. I’m sure nobody could argue against that. Of course we've signed duds and successes, like every season. The discussion was why didn't we sign ODonnell when Killie did. We signed a better player in the same position IMO, and someone who has turned out to be very adaptable. Levein seems to get all the stick for the bad signings and zero credit for the good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Jambo Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: Of course we've signed duds and successes, like every season. The discussion was why didn't we sign ODonnell when Killie did. We signed a better player in the same position IMO, and someone who has turned out to be very adaptable. Levein seems to get all the stick for the bad signings and zero credit for the good ones. Levein did our club a great deal of harm over the period from November 2016 until he was removed from his post in November 2019. He is the architect of our present position. Budge also at fault for not removing him far earlier and for poor decisions since he was relieved of his duties. I am afraid you will get no credit for Levein from me. That’s just my opinion, but if you feel that Levein deserves credit for the occasional acceptable signing out of numerous ones, then you are entitled to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Paisley Jambo said: Levein did our club a great deal of harm over the period from November 2016 until he was removed from his post in November 2019. He is the architect of our present position. Budge also at fault for not removing him far earlier and for poor decisions since he was relieved of his duties. I am afraid you will get no credit for Levein from me. That’s just my opinion, but if you feel that Levein deserves credit for the occasional acceptable signing out of numerous ones, then you are entitled to do so. I was an ardent Levein out but I just don't get the above thinking. He's out now and there's a long, long list of things to beat him with; why try and add to it by arguing we should have signed O'Donnell instead of Smith?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I think our needs at right back will depend on the sort of keeper we sign. If we get a good confident sweeper keeper, Smith back to right back is a no-brainer for me. However if we don't get a sweeper keeper and just get a traditional shot-stopper (not saying I want him, but like Gordon), then I would deploy Smith as a sweeper, and sign a new right back. O'Donnell would be a perfect signing in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Paisley Jambo said: Levein did our club a great deal of harm over the period from November 2016 until he was removed from his post in November 2019. He is the architect of our present position. Budge also at fault for not removing him far earlier and for poor decisions since he was relieved of his duties. I am afraid you will get no credit for Levein from me. That’s just my opinion, but if you feel that Levein deserves credit for the occasional acceptable signing out of numerous ones, then you are entitled to do so. If you conflate the position of DoF and manager and assume as DoF he made the final decision on signings (which is not the case), then you definitely have a point. I wish he'd stuck with the DoF job or Academy Director. It was a mistake of Budge to give him any more than a caretaker manager role while DoF and a mistake of his to take it on. As manager, the fact is he steadied the ship after Cathro (let's be honest, another manager would have got more credit for that and reaching a cup final the following season taking into account all the injuries) and started well the next season but obviously failed overall. I don't see it as black and white unless you're one of the people who seems to have a serious dislike for Levein no matter what he does. Anyhow, back on topic Smith is better than O'Donnell, now and when they both signed for us and Killie. Edited February 18, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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