jambogemz Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Got to wonder what direction these young lads careers are going to go! The manager gave all the young lads the chance to show what they can do by recalling them from loan and promotion to the first team proper. Lewis Moore and Euan Henderson have grabbed the chance while the current development of Andy Irving is an absolute joy to watch. Neither Cochrane nor McDonald have even made the matchday squad since coming back and it's not looking great for them. Both burst onto the scene and looked like having big futures but they've virtually disappeared in the last year. I know Cochrane has had injury issues but you've got to question if he has the desire to forge a decent career. I know even less about McDonald. Wouldn't be surprised to see either go out on loan again before Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, jambogemz said: Got to wonder what direction these young lads careers are going to go! The manager gave all the young lads the chance to show what they can do by recalling them from loan and promotion to the first team proper. Lewis Moore and Euan Henderson have grabbed the chance while the current development of Andy Irving is an absolute joy to watch. Neither Cochrane nor McDonald have even made the matchday squad since coming back and it's not looking great for them. Both burst onto the scene and looked like having big futures but they've virtually disappeared in the last year. I know Cochrane has had injury issues but you've got to question if he has the desire to forge a decent career. I know even less about McDonald. Wouldn't be surprised to see either go out on loan again before Friday. We just brought them back from loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hearts007 said: We just brought them back from loan Wouldn't be unusual. Nor would it be a big issue. They're both 18. Plenty time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 McDonald can only play for Hearts or Dunfermline this season. Cochrane could play for another club.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, Hearts007 said: We just brought them back from loan Yes that's part of my point. They've came back from loan but haven't made a matchday squad since while other young players have taken the opportunity to impress the new manager. They need first team exposure if they are to continue developing as players but at the moment it's looking doubtful that'll be at Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, TheBigO said: Wouldn't be unusual. Nor would it be a big issue. They're both 18. Plenty time. Just now, Mikey1874 said: McDonald can only play for Hearts or Dunfermline this season. Cochrane could play for another club.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I think everyone forgets just how young they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, jambogemz said: Yes that's part of my point. They've came back from loan but haven't made a matchday squad since while other young players have taken the opportunity to impress the new manager. They need first team exposure if they are to continue developing as players but at the moment it's looking doubtful that'll be at Hearts. See Mickey's answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, jambogemz said: Yes that's part of my point. They've came back from loan but haven't made a matchday squad since while other young players have taken the opportunity to impress the new manager. They need first team exposure if they are to continue developing as players but at the moment it's looking doubtful that'll be at Hearts. macdonald has had injury problems as well and was hardly ever fit at dunfermline both are physically behind irving and henderson, were in a relegation dogfight, seems pretty straight forward to me, no molehills in sight. stendell has a different way of playing i'd imagine he would like everybody to playing the same and he's probably never seen them play so him familiarising himsrlf with the whole squad makes perfect sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 These threads really frustrate me. Moore is 3 years older than those two. Give them time to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haringshairband Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: I think everyone forgets just how young they are Yeah they're still very young and should not be written off by our very impatient fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) There's every chance of them getting their shot at some point if they put the good work in. Neither is in a position to develop a sense of injustice if they have to wait. If they get a chance, they need to show they're really keen to make an impression because they'll very quickly play themselves out of the club. Edited January 28, 2020 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Relegation battle is no place for these kids. Moore and Henderson are being used in wide positions (easily changeable if there having a mare) and Irving is physically strong enough to cope with this. Mcdonald and Cochrane I’m hoping are patiently sitting in the wings ready to be released when the time is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 They are both only about 18 let them train and learn with the senior squad a chance might come but let's just see how they develop in time with Stendel's ethos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, jambogemz said: Got to wonder what direction these young lads careers are going to go! The manager gave all the young lads the chance to show what they can do by recalling them from loan and promotion to the first team proper. Lewis Moore and Euan Henderson have grabbed the chance while the current development of Andy Irving is an absolute joy to watch. Neither Cochrane nor McDonald have even made the matchday squad since coming back and it's not looking great for them. Both burst onto the scene and looked like having big futures but they've virtually disappeared in the last year. I know Cochrane has had injury issues but you've got to question if he has the desire to forge a decent career. I know even less about McDonald. Wouldn't be surprised to see either go out on loan again before Friday. Both have the played for us so can only go back to the Pars I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Both have the played for us so can only go back to the Pars I think. Cochrane hasn't played for Hearts this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: I think everyone forgets just how young they are A year older than Aaron Hickey but a year younger than Andrew Irving ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I can see Stendel's point in bringing them back. If he has looked at the squad and decided who wasn't going to be able to play his style and got rid, it's worth him having a look at two young lads in training and making a similar decision either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, jambogemz said: Yes that's part of my point. They've came back from loan but haven't made a matchday squad since while other young players have taken the opportunity to impress the new manager. They need first team exposure if they are to continue developing as players but at the moment it's looking doubtful that'll be at Hearts. I fully understand your thinking but I suspect Daniel Stendel will keep them here and look to get them contributing to the 1st team as quickly as he can. If I'm honest I think they are two young players who the previous football people let down. I still cannot believe that Harry Cochrane was told he was either too small or the wrong build to be a footballer. I suspect Daniel Stendel is the sort of guy why will treat these two the same as Jock Stein treated Jimmy Johnstone. Said before on here, but it is a thought that stays in my head, I just cannot imagine Stein ever told Johnstone he though he was too wee or tool ight to succeed in football, more likely he got the sort of encouragement you'd expect him to recieve, i.e. go out, do what you are good at and enjoy yourself. Edited January 28, 2020 by portobellojambo1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, red said: Relegation battle is no place for these kids. Moore and Henderson are being used in wide positions (easily changeable if there having a mare) and Irving is physically strong enough to cope with this. Mcdonald and Cochrane I’m hoping are patiently sitting in the wings ready to be released when the time is right. Both Moore and Henderson seem to have filled out quite a bit, which might have pushed them ahead of MacDonald. Irving has certainly cemented a place ahead of Cochrane. They'll get chances I'm sure and have loads of time. I thought we'd seen the last of Moore but he's looked much more like a first team player since breaking back in to the team. TBH MacDonald and Cochrane and all the young players should take heart from Stendel putting so much faith in Moore, Henderson and Irving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Its easy to forget just how young these boys are. Plenty time for them to develop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Don’t expect to see McDonald in the first team any time soon. In his 1-2-1 with Stendel he was pretty much told to ship up or ship out. Attitude nowhere near good enough and even a suggestion some of his injuries haven’t quite been what they seemed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 They only just got back in the last week or two? Think it’s right to give them time to get up to speed. But it wouldn’t be the first time a young player has come through and looked amazing, only to subsequently fall away and never make it at any sort of level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagey Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 59 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: McDonald can only play for Hearts or Dunfermline this season. Cochrane could play for another club.. Any insights where Cochran’s could land? Another loan maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Plenty time to develop, I expect them to be starting 11 by the time they are 20! Got to let people grow, no point in flinging them in and not being able to cope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Seen Cochrane before the airdrie game and I was surprised at just how slightly built he is . Im sure with a decent coach in charge now we’ll see more from all our youngsters in the future . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Fudge Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Bringing them back into the fold is the right call, they have a clean sheet to kick on. Wouldn't expect them to be training with the first team. A test of character for two young lads that clearly have talent. Getting them back and asking them to be role models for players younger than them might be what Stendel wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Elwood P said: A year older than Aaron Hickey but a year younger than Andrew Irving ... And? 3 years younger than Moore 5 than Sean Clare. Ridiculous and unnecessary remarks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Personally I don’t think Cochrane is good enough and just happened to be a beacon of hope in a terrible period for the team, though would like to be proved wrong. I know he had a niggle or two but being on the bench for Dunfermline doesn’t do anything to change my mind. I thought McDonald however looked the real deal and am surprised he hasn’t at least made the match day squad as an alternative wide option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Dunfermline ST at work would have liked them to stay. If they’re not going to be around match day squads, might be an option to return them there. For development, and given amount of club restrictions, before I get accused of writing them off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franko1874 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Alex Kintner said: Don’t expect to see McDonald in the first team any time soon. In his 1-2-1 with Stendel he was pretty much told to ship up or ship out. Attitude nowhere near good enough and even a suggestion some of his injuries haven’t quite been what they seemed. Dissapointing if true. Hopefully he'll knuckle down as he has the talent to do well in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Would you honestly expect two 18yr olds to go straight into the team that was without a league win in 9-10 games immediately on their recall from loan to a first division team? The only game they should even have been considered for was the Alloa game but other young guys got the nod that day in midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Alex Kintner said: Don’t expect to see McDonald in the first team any time soon. In his 1-2-1 with Stendel he was pretty much told to ship up or ship out. Attitude nowhere near good enough and even a suggestion some of his injuries haven’t quite been what they seemed. How would Stendel know enough about his attitude and injuries to issue an ultimatum like that to a kid? Isn’t he just back from loan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said: How would Stendel know enough about his attitude and injuries to issue an ultimatum like that to a kid? Isn’t he just back from loan? IF it happened would have to be based on reports from Gary Naysmith but I'll be filing that one under "heard it on JKB" - either that or one of Stendel or Macdonald is very indiscreet. I doubt Stendel is, and I cannot think of why MacDonald would want that info out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: How would Stendel know enough about his attitude and injuries to issue an ultimatum like that to a kid? Isn’t he just back from loan? an ultimatum to a kid. Nae worries lets make it a nursery eh!!! That is what peoples jobs are to get that info and Stendel has seen him at training too. Jesus ****!!! Here go play for Dunfermline , well go there and arse about its cool , nobody will tell DS or GN or anyone its our secret. Alex Kintner is bang on with what was said to him.... Cochrane and MacDonald are on shoogly pegs big time. Edited January 28, 2020 by sadj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: How would Stendel know enough about his attitude and injuries to issue an ultimatum like that to a kid? Isn’t he just back from loan? Feedback from Naysmith and Levein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Spellczech said: IF it happened would have to be based on reports from Gary Naysmith but I'll be filing that one under "heard it on JKB" - either that or one of Stendel or Macdonald is very indiscreet. I doubt Stendel is, and I cannot think of why MacDonald would want that info out there... You do know there would be more than 2 people would get or know the info of that 1-2-1 DS has a meeting with player then keeps all the info to himself after it in his secret dossier. This place is nuts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, sadj said: You do know there would be more than 2 people would get or know the info of that 1-2-1 DS has a meeting with player then keeps all the info to himself after it in his secret dossier. This place is nuts.... Have you ever had a job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, Spellczech said: IF it happened would have to be based on reports from Gary Naysmith but I'll be filing that one under "heard it on JKB" - either that or one of Stendel or Macdonald is very indiscreet. I doubt Stendel is, and I cannot think of why MacDonald would want that info out there... So Stendel wouldn’t have discussed McDonald with Siegers, Tonge, Levein or Naysmith? Stendel has had 1-2-1s with every player in the squad. Is every one of those conversations confidential between him and each player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 ? You quoted my mentioning of Naysmith. ? Tonge has been in the job for about a day and half... ? Siegers has been in the job for about a week and a half... ? Levein has had other bigger concerns this year than watching 18 year olds at Dunfermline (I hope) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Have you ever had a job? a few and one or two of them would prob put me in a pretty good place to understand the working of a footie club but hey ho. My bad , youll be right 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Sir Gio said: I think everyone forgets just how young they are Aye. Very rare for lads their age to be commanding a spot at first team level in the top division. I think you’d have to be something special. Always remember JJ saying most players weren’t really ready for regular first team football until about 21, 22. Certainly at a club like Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Spellczech said: ? You quoted my mentioning of Naysmith. ? Tonge has been in the job for about a day and half... Aye they havent been speaking and discussing things for weeks 🙈🙈 ? Siegers has been in the job for about a week and a half...As above.. ? Levein has had other bigger concerns this year than watching 18 year olds at Dunfermline (I hope) Levein kept his knowledge of things up whilst in the job. However since being relieved what do you think he does on Saturdays when required? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Spellczech said: ? You quoted my mentioning of Naysmith. ? Tonge has been in the job for about a day and half... ? Siegers has been in the job for about a week and a half... ? Levein has had other bigger concerns this year than watching 18 year olds at Dunfermline (I hope) On the contrary, after he was sacked from manager role Levein was off watching Smith, McDonald and Cochrane on loan. Sometimes at the same time as Hearts were playing. Edited January 28, 2020 by Alex Kintner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, sadj said: I'll believe you if you can establish that these guys have been in Edinburgh or Dunfermline for weeks watching MacDonald and Cochrane. Until then, nonsense. As for Levein, who knows, perhaps he gets his weekends to himself? I think he was noted as being at a DUFC game last week... You are just making this stuff up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Spellczech said: ? You quoted my mentioning of Naysmith. ? Tonge has been in the job for about a day and half... ? Siegers has been in the job for about a week and a half... ? Levein has had other bigger concerns this year than watching 18 year olds at Dunfermline (I hope) In terms of Tonge, we may have announced him on Monday but he has already been involved and was part of meetings taking place on Sunday morning between Stendel and technical analysis and scouting staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: Aye. Very rare for lads their age to be commanding a spot at first team level in the top division. I think you’d have to be something special. Always remember JJ saying most players weren’t really ready for regular first team football until about 21, 22. Certainly at a club like Hearts. Moore and Clare showing right now how you can come back. To be writing off 18 year olds I find a bit sickening. They generally hit a dip when they are thrown in, especially at 16. I think both will benefit from intense coaching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, Spellczech said: I'll believe you if you can establish that these guys have been in Edinburgh or Dunfermline for weeks watching MacDonald and Cochrane. Until then, nonsense. As for Levein, who knows, perhaps he gets his weekends to himself? I think he was noted as being at a DUFC game last week... You are just making this stuff up... I posted weeks ago that Levein was off watching Connor Smith play instead of being at our match. It’s all true, you can take it or leave it. 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Alex Kintner said: In terms of Tonge, we may have announced him on Monday but he has already been involved and was part of meetings taking place on Sunday morning between Stendel and technical analysis and scouting staff. So, two and a half days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FERRY HEARTS Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Walked past Harry and Tony on way to Airdrie game I seriously thought they both looked like young kids They both are not built up enough bodily to be thrown at this dog fight As has been said by others they need time to develop physically but certainly got talent at their feet as already proven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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