Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Malinga the Swinga]

4 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Without knowing what illnesses you talk of, I used a general word as probably 

Lost both of my parents to different forms of the big C. Not sure what treatment or vaccine they should have received as by time they were diagnosed, nothing could be done. Non smokers all their lives but cancer didn't care, and neither apparently does First Minister. Still waiting for her to tell me she is sorry, but reckon that will be long wait.

[Samuel Camazzola]

1 minute ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

If you Live in Scotland please advise how it was within the rules mate?

I've been doing it for weeks and weeks and due to meet this week. All cool too! 😎

[Jambo 4 Ever]

Just now, Malinga the Swinga said:

Lost both of my parents to different forms of the big C. Not sure what treatment or vaccine they should have received as by time they were diagnosed, nothing could be done. Non smokers all their lives but cancer didn't care, and neither apparently does First Minister. Still waiting for her to tell me she is sorry, but reckon that will be long wait.

Obviously sorry for your loss but what has this go to do with Covid?

 

my point is that unlike Covid, you can’t catch things like cancer off other people 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Robbofan99 said:

No way is that boot gonna have Glasgow and Edinburgh into different tiers. And they say its not political? It is. Poor pubs and other businesses maybe not going to open next week despite the stats in Edinburgh doing better. This will finish many off as the run up to Xmas is their busiest time. 

It would be difficult at any time if either city was in different tier, pubs especially would be heaving as it’s a short trip. Don’t fancy having weegies heading here and spreading the virus but many pubs would be happy with it. 

[manaliveits105]

Spain declared national emergency yet keep the bars and restaurants open between 6 am and 11 pm and leave it to bars to do the right things re distancing , cleaning etc 

Scotland -We dont care what procedures you put in place -  yer closed till we decide otherwise !!

[husref musemic]

12 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

we know it’s not 

"We".... Sturgeon Stasi starting up ?

[doctor jambo]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

It would be difficult at any time if either city was in different tier, pubs especially would be heaving as it’s a short trip. Don’t fancy having weegies heading here and spreading the virus but many pubs would be happy with it. 

Slap travel restrictions on them- she did it to Aberdeen......

[redjambo]

Per-board infection stats per-100,000:

 

Lanarkshire 41, Greater Glasgow 36, Ayrshire 26, Forth Valley 14, Tayside 14, Dumfries & Galloway 13, Lothian 12, Fife 11, Borders 10.

 

Grampian, Highland and Isles: less than 10. 

[frankblack]

7 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

It would be difficult at any time if either city was in different tier, pubs especially would be heaving as it’s a short trip. Don’t fancy having weegies heading here and spreading the virus but many pubs would be happy with it. 

 

Pubs would have to seat people socially distanced at booked tables with no standing and masks on when not at the table.  They would not be heaving as once full anyone else gets a knockback.

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Obviously sorry for your loss but what has this go to do with Covid?

 

my point is that unlike Covid, you can’t catch things like cancer off other people 

Well you do stand a chance of catching these illnesses through actions of others such as living near chemical works that aren't safe, and living in poor conditions with lack of money available to improve situations. If we spent as much time and money to cure cancer instead of relying on charitable support, if we devoted all government resources that we have seen being used now to fight influenza or starvation or heart problems, then just perhaps we would have been able to cure them. What about spending same amount on testicular cancer or breast cancer? What about hereditary diseases, as it meets your criteria of being caught from other people? 

 

Really no point in arguing/discussing these things with you as you don't seem to comprehend anything other than Covid.

 

 

[husref musemic]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Per-board infection stats per-100,000:

 

Lanarkshire 41, Greater Glasgow 36, Ayrshire 26, Forth Valley 14, Tayside 14, Dumfries & Galloway 13, Lothian 12, Fife 11, Borders 10.

 

Grampian, Highland and Isles: less than 10. 

Lothian 1/3 of Glasgow. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Per-board infection stats per-100,000:

 

Lanarkshire 41, Greater Glasgow 36, Ayrshire 26, Forth Valley 14, Tayside 14, Dumfries & Galloway 13, Lothian 12, Fife 11, Borders 10.

 

Grampian, Highland and Isles: less than 10. 

Well having seen those figures, no doubt that Lothian must be kept alongside Lanarkshire, Greater Glasgow and Ayrshire. Only a fool could dispute that figures aren't identical and deserve same tiering.

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 minute ago, husref musemic said:

Lothian 1/3 of Glasgow. 

Been that way for days if not weeks. Willing to shut down Aberdeen in isolation, but seems reluctant to do the same to her beloved West of Scotland. Wonder why.

[redjambo]

Just now, husref musemic said:

Lothian 1/3 of Glasgow. 

 

Indeed. I haven't looked at the local council figures yet (I'll wait for the Travelling Tabby site to calculate them at 3pm), but you may well find that the City of Edinburgh is even lower than that due to the increased infection stats at the moment in West Lothian. Also, the usual proviso about weekend stats applies.

 

The 7-day rolling averages are Greater Glasgow 41, Lothian 19.

 

In any case, there is mounting evidence to show that Glasgow and Edinburgh should not be placed in the same tier.

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Indeed. I haven't looked at the local council figures yet (I'll wait for the Travelling Tabby site to calculate them at 3pm), but you may well find that the City of Edinburgh is even lower than that due to the increased infection stats at the moment in West Lothian. Also, the usual proviso about weekend stats applies.

 

The 7-day rolling averages are Greater Glasgow 41, Lothian 19.

 

In any case, there is mounting evidence to show that Glasgow and Edinburgh should not be placed in the same tier.

According to some on here, you must be prejudiced and bigoted to suggest that about Glasgow. Just because their rate is way higher than Edinburgh's doesn't mean anything apparently.

[Pasquale for King]

13 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Slap travel restrictions on them- she did it to Aberdeen......

Not sure if it worked, they have it just now and hundreds if not thousands went to England to watch the hatefest the weekend before last. 

[Der Kaiser]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Indeed. I haven't looked at the local council figures yet (I'll wait for the Travelling Tabby site to calculate them at 3pm), but you may well find that the City of Edinburgh is even lower than that due to the increased infection stats at the moment in West Lothian. Also, the usual proviso about weekend stats applies.

 

The 7-day rolling averages are Greater Glasgow 41, Lothian 19.

 

In any case, there is mounting evidence to show that Glasgow and Edinburgh should not be placed in the same tier.

 

Could be because some of us are from the capital whereas they're from ....well....we know where they're from......

[husref musemic]

3 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Been that way for days if not weeks. Willing to shut down Aberdeen in isolation, but seems reluctant to do the same to her beloved West of Scotland. Wonder why.

it's not her business & income going belly up then... aye just keep it shut for another week eh.

 

Reminds of SPFL / Doncaster getting all excited with a bit power & attention.

[steve123]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

Not sure if it worked, they have it just now and hundreds if not thousands went to England to watch the hatefest the weekend before last. 

She will need to think up something because trust in her new scheme will be shattered before it even starts  if she designs a system based on numbers etc and then does not follow them !!

[husref musemic]

2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

According to some on here, you must be prejudiced and bigoted to suggest that about Glasgow. Just because their rate is way higher than Edinburgh's doesn't mean anything apparently.

we have called them the great unwashed for a very long time right enough.

[ri Alban]

[Pasquale for King]

13 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Pubs would have to seat people socially distanced at booked tables with no standing and masks on when not at the table.  They would not be heaving as once full anyone else gets a knockback.

Don’t have to book tables under the current restrictions, , some pubs who break the rules might well be busier than usual let’s say. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, steve123 said:

She will need to think up something because trust in her new scheme will be shattered before it even starts  if she designs a system based on numbers etc and then does not follow them !!

Let’s hope so. 

[Greedy Jambo]

44 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Ah, but whose God? The made up Islamic one, the made up Christian one, the made up Bhuddist one or a made up one from the many other made up religions.

 

Sean Bean. 

[Nucky Thompson]

45 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/25/dad-tries-to-shop-in-pants-after-clothes-deemed-non-essential-in-wales-13477767

Good on the boy. I don't think I would have the nuts to do that

[redjambo]

Just now, Brian Dundas said:

Was it daily numbers of over 20 that triggered restrictions in some council areas a few weeks ago?

 

Was that the extension of restrictions to East Dunbartonshire, Renfrewshire and, a few days later, Lanarkshire?

 

If so, I have no idea. I'm not sure we were ever told. Infections as a whole were much less then though. Lanarkshire, for example, has a population of 660,000 but only had new infections of an average of 26 a day over the whole area for the 7 days before lockdown was imposed. That's over the whole population, not per-100,000.

 

We're living in different times, even though that was only a month and a half ago. Everything has been upscaled and we can't really compare trigger points from now with those back then, imo.

[redjambo]

11 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

According to some on here, you must be prejudiced and bigoted to suggest that about Glasgow. Just because their rate is way higher than Edinburgh's doesn't mean anything apparently.

 

I personally haven't seen anyone on here express that view about the different rates not meaning anything, Malinga, If expressed, it must be a rare view.

[frankblack]

10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Don’t have to book tables under the current restrictions, , some pubs who break the rules might well be busier than usual let’s say. 

 

You don't but you have to give details, and if you turn up without a booking you aren't guaranteed to get in.

 

The places breaking the rules may find themselves shut down - easy thing to police.

[steve123]

They may let Hospitality open in Edinburgh but ban the selling of alcohol, hedging their bets that if there is no drink on offer then alot fewer people will travel from other higher areas.

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

West Lothian is pretty high and suspect it’s defo increasing overall Lothian number. The West Lothian cases are linked to a couple of care homes, I think. 
 

It’s infection rate is higher than Dundee. 
 

Even thinking about West Lothian it’s a series of small towns over a pretty large geographical area. The rates probably vary massively within West Lothian itself. I do wonder how successful the tier approach would be when people will travel into other areas. 
 

It’s a tough one and not convinced it’s a straight forward as tiering an area by council or health board arbitrarly, as you need to look at chance of occurring. It will be a tough one for SG as they will want to have clear parameters for invoking lockdown. Albeit we see the SG seems to take a more nuanced approach see treatment of Glasgow and Aberdeen. 
 

The central belt by its nature and connectivity is going to be a challenging problem to solve. 

 

What adds even more to the mix is the question as to how long an area should remain in a certain tier. The last thing the hospitality trade want, for example, is for the area they're in to be moving up or down a tier on a weekly basis. There might be an unofficial minimum time period applied to being in a tier, e.g. a month, with the idea that there needs to be a significant and sustained rise in the rate of infections to trigger a movement to a greater tier, but perhaps an even more sustained fall before an area is allowed to drop back down again.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

45 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

Why should the post be removed? JJ's home could be abroad where there isn't the same protocols in place. 

 

You shouldn't assume... 

 

Indeed, constantly quoting the mods and accusing people of breaking the law, when the accusation is based upon nothing more than his own foolish and completly wrong assumptions, hope he doesn't do this sort of thing in the real world.

[Fxxx the SPFL]

2 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

Got the distinct impression we ain’t seeing any loosening here. I still think they will treat the central belt as a larger area to prevent people travelling at least until the levels are down that can get them under a similar tier ie. tier 2 or better. She has just said central belt is likely to stay where it is in questioning, 

I can’t see them creating a situation where potentially large numbers are travelling from the west for socialising purposes. Not initially anyway. 

Beginning to think we will stay where we are, until Chrimbo time. We will then drop down a tier or so to enable a limited Christmas, then shortly into New Year we will go back up the tiers with the blame being Christmas. 

 

Students have been screwed over. Rushed and told to get back to education. Then told not to go to pubs and then a large chunk locked up in halls. Now potentially being told not allowed home at Christmas. All whilst by demonised by many. 
 

 

totally agree with that i think students were lambs to the slaughter governments knew fine well they would socialise together and no doubt catch covid a deliberate ploy by our so called politicians.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

3 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said:

totally agree with that i think students were lambs to the slaughter governments knew fine well they would socialise together and no doubt catch covid a deliberate ploy by our so called politicians.

 

Herd immunity experiment, let as many low risk people get infected as possible, keep them where it's easy to contain them and see how long they are immune for, job done.

[steve123]

She is completely at it, saying today at level one they might still say that people can't go into each others houses.

 

Absolutely no point in coming up with something like this to give more clarity then just ignoring it !!

[Jambo 4 Ever]

Just now, steve123 said:

She is completely at it, saying today at level one they might still say that people can't go into each others houses.

 

Absolutely no point in coming up with something like this to give more clarity then just ignoring it !!

What’s wrong?

she is just explaining what could happen 

[steve123]

1 minute ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

What’s wrong?

she is just explaining what could happen 

Na not for me, if you want to have a system like that have it simple if she does not want people household mixing and the numbers warrant it then keep them in tier 2 !!

[theshed]

They won’t lets kids out this weekend for Halloween but just reading they have gave the go ahead for an independence rally in Dundee this weekend 

 

How many people will travel up from Glasgow to join that when they aren’t meant to leave their own area 
 

Surely they know people will travel all over for this but they still let it go ahead🙄

[Jambo-Jimbo]

5 minutes ago, Barack said:

Why are people even responding to it?

 

Quite insulting to you & your wife, yet I doubt you'll receive an apology. I'll say it again; this is a near 50 year old man, getting his kicks trolling a forum.

 

 

 

 

 

Sad isn't it, especially when he probably doesn't realise that all he does is makes a complete fool of himself day in day out.

[Jambo 4 Ever]

1 minute ago, steve123 said:

Na not for me, if you want to have a system like that have it simple if she does not want people household mixing and the numbers warrant it then keep them in tier 2 !!

But then this doesn’t let hospitality open up a bit more 

[Fxxx the SPFL]

6 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Herd immunity experiment, let as many low risk people get infected as possible, keep them where it's easy to contain them and see how long they are immune for, job done.

enjoy your xmas lunch with the better half are you not down in Galashiels/Tweedbank area i might peek through your window and check there's only the two of you.

[steve123]

Just now, theshed said:

They won’t lets kids out this weekend for Halloween but just reading they have gave the go ahead for an independence rally in Dundee this weekend 

 

How many people will travel up from Glasgow to join that when they aren’t meant to leave their own area 
 

Surely they know people will travel all over for this but they still let it go ahead🙄

This is a strange one, a month or so a go a local MP arranged a demonstration in a park with hundreds of people their all socially distanced etc I believe, when questioned about it he said the clinical director had helped him organise and everyone had the right to protest !!

[steve123]

1 minute ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

But then this doesn’t let hospitality open up a bit more 

Yea thats a fair point, just all seems rather complicated.

[doctor jambo]

1 minute ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

But then this doesn’t let hospitality open up a bit more 

You dont think it is concerning that even in the lowest tier, there are still restrictions in place- so even after everything has settled they STILL want to tell you what to do?

"there is no virus, but just in case it comes back we are still controlling your lives in a dictatorial fashion based on no evidence at all"

[Governor Tarkin]

2 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

Unless of course you have some evidence to support your claim that NS has lost the public.

   

 

Now this is only anecdotal, doug, so I understand that it doesn't carry any weight, but almost everyone I know has gone 180° and are now convinced that she's a ****.

 

1 hour ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Umm not if it’s against the law

you should remove this post actually 

 

Some folk could do with being removed from this Earth.

 

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

Doug - judging the shitshow up here against the shitshow down south and in Wales can't really be taken as a measure of success!

 

Correct. The least smelly shite in the pan is still a shite.

 

1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

👍 I hope you and yours have a great one Jimbo.

 

^^^^ This.

 

1 hour ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

 

my point is that unlike Covid, you can’t catch things like cancer off other people 

 

Tell that to Roy Castle.

 

15 minutes ago, Barack said:

I'll say it again; this is a near 50 year old man, getting his kicks trolling a forum.

 

 

No danger!

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, **** the SPFL said:

enjoy your xmas lunch with the better half are you not down in Galashiels/Tweedbank area i might peek through your window and check there's only the two of you.

 

Cheers mate.

 

Peek through the window, good luck with that.

[Fxxx the SPFL]

apologies if posted already but there seems to be a rumour doing the rounds (unsubstantiated) that there has been a leaked NHS document stating that all NHS staff will receive a vaccine before xmas. i have heard this from two separate people one being my daughter who works in the NHS and fellow jambo i was speaking to yesterday. when i mentioned what the lad had told me to my daughter she stated that she had also heard this. more than likely Chinese whispers. i'm sure if it was true the media would be all over it like a rash.

[frankblack]

10 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

You dont think it is concerning that even in the lowest tier, there are still restrictions in place- so even after everything has settled they STILL want to tell you what to do?

"there is no virus, but just in case it comes back we are still controlling your lives in a dictatorial fashion based on no evidence at all"

 

What would Nicola do without her daily briefings live on the BBC at lunchtime?

[steve123]

Just now, **** the SPFL said:

apologies if posted already but there seems to be a rumour doing the rounds (unsubstantiated) that there has been a leaked NHS document stating that all NHS staff will receive a vaccine before xmas. i have heard this from two separate people one being my daughter who works in the NHS and fellow jambo i was speaking to yesterday. when i mentioned what the lad had told me to my daughter she stated that she had also heard this. more than likely Chinese whispers. i'm sure if it was true the media would be all over it like a rash.

The media in England have been all over it last couple of days, but Hancock said this morning he thought would be nearer start of next year.

[Fxxx the SPFL]

1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Cheers mate.

 

Peek through the window, good luck with that.

fake picture i know you have a dachshund

[redjambo]

In relation to the discussion above, today's per-100,000 infection stats in the Lothian councils:

 

West Lothian 17, Midlothian 11, City 10, East Lothian 9.