Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Jeff]

14 minutes ago, Space Pirate said:

Right, hands up who's went and bought a mask?

 

Aye, unfortunately mines was from the same store as Wilder's and I injured my legs at work today

[Greedy Jambo]

3 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

Aye, unfortunately mines was from the same store as Wilder's and I injured my legs at work today

 

Makes a change from your usual gimp mask. 

[Jeff]

1 minute ago, Space Pirate said:

 

Makes a change from your usual gimp mask. 

 

and injuring my sphincter

[Jambo-Jimbo]

23 minutes ago, Space Pirate said:

Right, hands up who's went and bought a mask?

 

Nope and I've no intention of buying one either.

 

[Greedy Jambo]

3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Nope and I've no intention of buying one either.

 

 

Ohh go on, treat yourself. 

 

 

[The Internet]

Masks are for amateurs. I've got my panic room stocked. 

[Don Dan]

Dear all,
Passing on a FAQ about COVID-19 circulated by Public Health, for your information.
Many thanks,
NHS Lothian Staff bank teams.
---
"NHS LOTHIAN
COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FOR STAFF
(Please send any feedback or requests for new Q & As via your Site Directors)
ABOUT COVID-19

1. What is the novel Coronavirus, COVID-19?
In December 2019, a new strain of Coronavirus that has not been previously identified in humans was identified in China. This novel Coronavirus has now been named COVID-19.

2. Where do Coronaviruses come from?
Coronaviruses are viruses that circulate among animals but some of them can affect humans. After they have infected animals, they can then eventually be transmitted to humans. The range of human Coronaviruses include common cold Mers CoV and SARS

3. What is the mode of transmission? How (easily) does COVID-19 spread?
While animals are the source of the virus, it is now spreading from one person to another (human-to-human transmission). There is currently not enough information to know how easily the virus spreads between people and how long it will continue to spread in the community.
The virus seems to be transmitted mainly via respiratory droplets that people sneeze, cough, or exhale.
The incubation period for COVID-19 (i.e. the time between exposure to the virus and onset of symptoms) is currently estimated at between two and 14 days. At this stage, we know that the virus can be transmitted as soon as those infected show (flu-like) symptoms. However, there are still uncertainties as to whether mild or cases which do not yet show symptoms can transmit the virus.
If people with COVID-19 are tested and diagnosed promptly and thorough infection control measures are applied, the likelihood of ongoing human-to-human transmission in community settings in the UK is low. Testing, diagnosing and infection prevention and control measures were very effective in controlling previous outbreaks caused by other coronaviruses such as SARS and MERS.

4. How long will this outbreak last?
Unfortunately, it is not possible to predict how long the outbreak will last and how the epidemic will evolve overall. We are dealing with a new virus and therefore a lot of uncertainty remains. For instance, it is unknown whether transmission will decrease during the summer, as is observed for seasonal influenza.

5. What are the symptoms of COVID-19?
From what is known so far, the virus can cause a range of symptoms such as
• fever
• cough
• difficulty breathing/shortness of breath
• pain in the muscles and
• tiredness.
The majority of cases develop mild flu-like illness. More serious cases develop severe pneumonia, acute respiratory problems, sepsis and septic shock that can cause death. The older age groups and those with chronic conditions are more at risk of serious illness.

6. Who is at risk for COVID-19 infection?
Currently, those at greatest risk of infection are persons who have had prolonged, unprotected close contact with a patient with symptomatic, confirmed COVID-19 infection and those with recent travel to China, especially Hubei Province.
For those who become infected, it seems possible that older adults, and persons who have underlying chronic medical conditions such as immune-compromising conditions, may be at risk of more severe symptoms and outcomes, though there is little data to be certain.

7. When should someone be tested for COVID-19?
Currently travellers returning or visiting the UK from high risk countries in the 14 days before the onset of illness are tested if they have:
• Travelled to or transited through: mainland China, Hong Kong, Japan, Macau, Malaysia, Republic of Korea, Singapore, Taiwan or Thailand OR
• Been in contact with a confirmed case of COVID-19 (see question 😎
AND have:
• Severe acute respiratory infection requiring admission to hospital with clinical or radiological evidence of pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome
• Acute respiratory infection of any degree of severity, including at least one of shortness of breath or cough (with or without fever) OR
• Fever with no other symptoms

8. Who is a close contact?
A contact with a case is defined as a person:
• living in the same household
• direct contact with the case or their body fluids or their laboratory specimens, or in the same room of a healthcare setting when an aerosol generating procedure e.g. brochoscopy is undertaken on the case
• direct face to face contact with a case, for any length of time
• being within 2 metres of the case for any other exposure not listed above, for longer than 15 minutes OR
• being otherwise advised by a public health agency that contact with a confirmed case has occurred

9. Is there a treatment for the disease caused by COVID-19?
There is no specific treatment for COVID-19 so the approach is to treat the clinical symptoms (e.g. fever). Supportive care (e.g. supporting the patient and monitoring – oxygen treatment, ensuring the right amount of fluid in-take and giving medicines currently used for treating other viruses) can be highly effective for those infected.

10. Is there a vaccine against COVID-19?
There are currently no vaccines against coronaviruses, including COVID-19.
The development of vaccines takes time and several pharmaceutical companies are working on a vaccine. It will however, take months before any vaccine could be widely used.

11. Am I protected against COVID-19 if I had the influenza vaccine this year?
Influenza and COVID-19 are entirely two very different viruses and the seasonal influenza vaccine does not protect against disease caused by COVID-19.
However, as the European influenza season is still underway, the influenza vaccine is the best available protection against seasonal influenza and it is not too late to get vaccinated.

12. Can people who recover from COVID-19 infection be infected again?
The immune response to COVID-19 infection is not yet understood. Patients with the related Coronaviruses such as MERS-CoV infection are unlikely to be re-infected shortly after they recover, but it is not yet known whether similar immune protection will be seen in patients with COVID-19 infection.

13. Has anyone in the UK become infected?
A number of cases have been reported in the UK since the beginning of the outbreak. Given the extensive movement of people and the fact that the virus is transmitted from one person to another, it is expected that further cases will be reported in UK.

14. What precautions can I take?
All health and social care staff are advised to follow these basic hygiene rules to protect their own health and that of others:
• Bin the tissue and, to kill the germs and kill germs by washing hands.
• Wash your hands with soap and water, or use alcohol based hand rub to decontaminate your hands. For more information on handwashing visit the link: https://www.publichealth.hscni.net/publications/hand-cleaning-technique
• Always carry tissues with you and use them to catch your cough or sneeze
• For detailed information on personal protection and safe working please visit the following link for infection prevention and control advice: https://hpspubsrepo.blob.core.windows.net/hps-website/nss/2526/documents/1_infection-contol-severe-respiratory-illness-novel-emerging-pathogens.pdf

15. What is the advice for hand washing?
Hand hygiene is the key to preventing infection. You should wash or decontaminate your hands often and thoroughly with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, or alcohol-based hand rub. Follow the WHO 5 key moments for hand hygiene. The virus enters your body via your eyes, nose and mouth, so avoid touching them with unwashed hands.

16. How should healthcare workers protect themselves when evaluating a patient who may have COVID-19 infection?
Although the transmission dynamics have yet to be determined, Health Protection Scotland currently recommends a cautious approach to suspected cases of COVID-19.Taking into account that the risk of infection increases with prolonged, unprotected close contact with a case, the following infection control precautions should be followed.
In primary care, healthcare professionals should limit direct contact with possible cases to the provision of urgent clinical care only. Where this is required, staff should wear a fluid resistant surgical face mask, disposable apron and gloves for contact. Further information can be found in the HPS Guidance for Primary Care.
In an acute hospital setting, healthcare personnel evaluating a suspected case or providing care for patients with confirmed COVID-19 infection should adopt a combination of Contact, Droplet and, Airborne transmission based precautions. This includes the use of a long sleeved gown, gloves, face fit tested respirator (FFP3) and eye protection for all contact. For detailed information on personal protection and safe working please visit the following link for infection prevention and control advice: HPS Guidance Acute Respiratory Illness Novel Infections

17. Should any diagnostic or therapeutic interventions be withheld due to concerns about transmission of the virus?
Patients should receive any interventions they would normally receive as standard of care. Patients with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 should be asked to wear a fluid resistant surgical facemask as soon as they are identified and be evaluated in a single room with the door closed, ideally a negative pressure isolation room, if available. Healthcare personnel entering the room should use transmission based precautions as outlined in section 10.

18. Should I wear a face mask as a precaution at work?
The advice we have is that the risk of infection is low so routine extra protective measures are not necessary. All healthcare staff should follow standard infection control precautions and wear a fluid resistant surgical face mask and eye protection for any task or care episode where any contamination with blood or body fluid to the respiratory mucosa (mouth and nose) is anticipated.
It is a recognised custom for Asian communities to wear face masks to protect themselves and, in particular, others, from the possibility of infection. It is very important that we recognise and respect this.

19. I have an underlying health condition – what should I do?
Individuals who have an existing long-term condition and are concerned about COVID-19 should continue to follow standard infection control. If you have any specific healthcare concerns, contact your own GP or NHS 111. As advised by Health Protection Scotland, the risk of COVID-19 spreading in the UK continues to be low.

20. What should I do if I have had close contact with someone who has COVID-19?
• Notify your GP who will provide guidance on further steps to take. If you develop any symptoms, it is important that you call your GP for advice, mentioning that you have been in contact with a person diagnosed with COVID-19.
• Follow Occupational Health and Public Health Advice
COVID-19 AND TRAVEL ABROAD

21. Should I reconsider travelling to Asia at present, privately or for work?
At present, most cases are being reported in China, with a smaller number of cases reported in other Asian countries. The likelihood of becoming infected in other countries across Asia is currently considered low and the World Health Organization has not advised against travel to these areas. However, the outbreak is evolving very rapidly and the risk of infection is therefore changing. See the list of areas with presumed community transmission: https://www.hps.scot.nhs.uk/web-resources-container/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-risk-areas/
Follow the travel advice Foreign and Commonwealth Office advice on the link: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-advice-novel-coronavirus
If you are travelling for work, contact Occupational Health before you travel.

22. What should I be most cautious of when travelling abroad, to high risk countries?
Before deciding to travel follow the travel advice Foreign and Commonwealth Office advice on the link: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-advice-novel-coronavirus
If you decide to go:
• avoid contact with sick people, in particular those with a cough;
• avoid visiting markets and places where live or dead animals are handled;
• follow general rules concerning hand hygiene and food hygiene;
• wash your hands with soap and water OR use an alcohol-based disinfectant solution before eating, after using the toilet and after any contact with animals;
• avoid contact with animals, their excretions or droppings.
Wherever you travel, you should apply general hand hygiene and food hygiene rules.
For specific country advice please visit fit for travel website: https://www.fitfortravel.nhs.uk/home.aspx

23. What is the advice if I am travelling back from China or I have recently travelled back from any of the high risk countries?
The advice varies depending on which part of China you have visited.
Travel to the UK from Wuhan or Hubei province
If you have travelled from Wuhan or Hubei province, China to the UK in the last 14 days you should immediately:
• Stay indoors and avoid contact with other people
• Call your own GP or NHS 111 to inform them of your recent travel to the area.
Please follow this advice even if you do not have any symptoms of the virus (symptoms include fever, cough, runny nose, sore throat and difficulty breathing).
If you have travelled from elsewhere in mainland China or any of the high risk countries (Hong Kong, Japan, Macau, Malaysia, Republic of Korea, Singapore, Taiwan or Thailand) to the UK in the last 14 days and develop symptoms of cough, fever or shortness of breath, you should follow the above advice. Please follow this advice even if your symptoms are minor.
If you are a healthcare worker with no symptoms and you have travelled to a risk area and returned to the UK within the past 14 days, inform your line manager and contact the Occupational Health department on 0131 536 1135 Option 5 followed by Option 3 for further advice before returning to work.

24. What is the advice if I feel unwell following my return from high risk areas?
Anyone who feels unwell and develops problems with their breathing following return from a high risk area should telephone their GP or ring NHS 111 for advice. Do not visit your GP.

COVID-19 AND THE ENVIRONMENT
25. Why are people arriving from China not being checked for COVID-19 at the airport?
There is evidence that checking people on arrival at the airport (known as entry screening) is not very effective in preventing the spread of the virus. This is especially when people may not have symptoms or the symptoms of the disease are very similar to those for other illnesses and the timeline coincides with increased activity in seasonal influenza across the EU and in China.

26. What about animal and/or food products imported from China?
Only a few live animals and unprocessed animal products from China are authorised for import into the UK. There is no evidence that any of the animals or animal products authorised for entry into the UK pose a risk to the health of UK citizens due to COVID-19 in China.
As with the imports of animals and animal products, only a few products of animal origin are authorised for import into the EU and UK from China. For the same reasons, travellers entering the EU customs territory are not allowed to carry any meat, meat products, milk or dairy products in their luggage.
There has been no report of transmission of the COVID-19 via food and therefore there is no evidence that food items imported into the European Union in accordance with the applicable animal and public health regulations governing imports from China pose a risk for the health of EU and UK citizens in relation to COVID-19. The main mode of transmission is from one person to another.

27. What about contact with pets and other animals in the UK?
Current research links COVID-19 to certain types of bat, but does not exclude the involvement of other animals. Several types of coronaviruses can infect animals and be transmitted to other animals and people. There is no evidence that companion animals (e.g. dogs or cats) pose a greater risk of infection than humans. As a general precaution, observe basic principles of hygiene when in contact with animals.

28. Is it safe to receive a package from China or any other place where the virus has been identified?
Yes, it is safe. People receiving packages are not at risk of contracting COVID-19. From experience with other coronaviruses, we know that these types of viruses don’t survive long on objects, such as letters or packages.", 
 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

54 minutes ago, Space Pirate said:

 

Ohh go on, treat yourself. 

 

 

 

😄

[Mikey1874]

We don't know the exact source but China might finally be bringing a big part of its culture into modern times. 

 

 

[Lovecraft]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

1919 Spanish Flu didn't target young and healthy people.

It infected everybody it could.

That particular pathogen caused healthy immune systems to go into overdrive and produce too many white blood cells and the body went into an autoimmune state and attacked itself.

That's why most of the dead were young, fit and healthy. A quirk of the virus.

People with weaker immune systems actually did better as their weaker system was able to fight off the Spanish flu without going bonkers and attacking their own body.

 

 COVID-19 hasn't mutated yet.

 

Not saying it will, just that it hasn't.

 

 

[JFK-1]

I think this could now be considered pandemic though it's not yet being officially described as such. We have reached a stage where more new cases are being reported outside China than inside. The WHO is still not saying it can't be contained but I think it's pretty obvious now that it can't be.

And as it spreads further afield the chances of it mutating to an even deadlier form increase. It's worrying.

[Shanks said no]

Greece confirms first case in Thessaloniki, 38 year old female who had returned from Milan

[AlphonseCapone]

29 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

I think this could now be considered pandemic though it's not yet being officially described as such. We have reached a stage where more new cases are being reported outside China than inside. The WHO is still not saying it can't be contained but I think it's pretty obvious now that it can't be.

And as it spreads further afield the chances of it mutating to an even deadlier form increase. It's worrying.

 

Not necessarily, it more depends on the viruses molecular makeup. SARS has a molecular proofreading system that reduces its mutation rate. They think this current coronavirus is similar at a genomic level to SARS and so may not be particularly high risk for mutation. 

 

The odds are that it cannot be contained but that doesn't mean doomsday as some think. The current thinking is that it might actually be less deadly than estimates suggest because we are likely underestimating the denominator of cases. Many people with very mild or no symptoms are testing positive which suggests there may be a lot more carriers out there. The two suggested ways this might play out are; as more containment measures pick up globally and the weather becomes warmer in the northern hemisphere we will likely see a decrease in cases, but this virus won't simply disappear altogether. It will simply come back each flu season and be another thing that people might pick up, like the regular cold or other lesser known coronavirus types that most people have never heard of but cause cold like symptoms. The other way is that it is more like season flu where some years are really bad which will be a major health risk for the vulnerable groups, other years not so much. 

 

This is likely something humans will need to live with unless the vaccine that is eventually developed is much more reliable than flu vaccines. 

[JFK-1]

1 minute ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Not necessarily, it more depends on the viruses molecular makeup. SARS has a molecular proofreading system that reduces its mutation rate. They think this current coronavirus is similar at a genomic level to SARS and so may not be particularly high risk for mutation. 

 

The odds are that it cannot be contained but that doesn't mean doomsday as some think. The current thinking is that it might actually be less deadly than estimates suggest because we are likely underestimating the denominator of cases. Many people with very mild or no symptoms are testing positive which suggests there may be a lot more carriers out there. The two suggested ways this might play out are; as more containment measures pick up globally and the weather becomes warmer in the northern hemisphere we will likely see a decrease in cases, but this virus won't simply disappear altogether. It will simply come back each flu season and be another thing that people might pick up, like the regular cold or other lesser known coronavirus types that most people have never heard of but cause cold like symptoms. The other way is that it is more like season flu where some years are really bad which will be a major health risk for the vulnerable groups, other years not so much. 

 

This is likely something humans will need to live with unless the vaccine that is eventually developed is much more reliable than flu vaccines. 

 

You know the answer don't you? Get a conspiracy theorist on to it rather than these dodgy scientists.

[AlphonseCapone]

1 minute ago, JFK-1 said:

 

You know the answer don't you? Get a conspiracy theorist on to it rather than these dodgy scientists.

 

🤣 Exactly 👍

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Not necessarily, it more depends on the viruses molecular makeup. SARS has a molecular proofreading system that reduces its mutation rate. They think this current coronavirus is similar at a genomic level to SARS and so may not be particularly high risk for mutation. 

 

The odds are that it cannot be contained but that doesn't mean doomsday as some think. The current thinking is that it might actually be less deadly than estimates suggest because we are likely underestimating the denominator of cases. Many people with very mild or no symptoms are testing positive which suggests there may be a lot more carriers out there. The two suggested ways this might play out are; as more containment measures pick up globally and the weather becomes warmer in the northern hemisphere we will likely see a decrease in cases, but this virus won't simply disappear altogether. It will simply come back each flu season and be another thing that people might pick up, like the regular cold or other lesser known coronavirus types that most people have never heard of but cause cold like symptoms. The other way is that it is more like season flu where some years are really bad which will be a major health risk for the vulnerable groups, other years not so much. 

 

This is likely something humans will need to live with unless the vaccine that is eventually developed is much more reliable than flu vaccines. 

 

And each time that we are exposed to it the more immunity our bodies develop against it and within a decade or two it'll be nothing more than sneeze & a sniffle for a day or two, hopefully.

Edited February 26, 2020 by Jambo-Jimbo

[scottishguy]

A woman who works beside my other half, who's parents returned from Italy have been diagnosed with the virus, so it's in Scotland now.

[CavySlaveJambo]

I was under the impression the illness caused by the virus was Covid-19 and the actual virus is the SARS-CoV-2

 

Anyway there is some research that states even Some people who are asymptomatic and infected can pass on the virus.  But if that is the case then the virus is even more widespread than thought. 

[AlphonseCapone]

20 minutes ago, scottishguy said:

A woman who works beside my other half, who's parents returned from Italy have been diagnosed with the virus, so it's in Scotland now.

 

Genuinely? By that I mean the test results have come back confirmed from London (I think any positive result in Scotland needs to go to London for final confirmation). 

Edited February 26, 2020 by AlphonseCapone

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

 (I think any positive result in Scotland needs to go to London for final confirmation). 

That must really piss the YES voters right off🤣

[His name is]

[scottishguy]

21 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Genuinely? By that I mean the test results have come back confirmed from London (I think any positive result in Scotland needs to go to London for final confirmation). 

No idea where the tests where done bud. 

[Maple Leaf]

I, and others on this thread, have called out the media over the coverage of the COVID-19 virus.  They need to turn it down a notch, imo. As an example,

 

The first item on the 8AM news this morning was that a fourth person in Greater Toronto (population over 5 million) had been diagnosed with the virus.  Two of the four had already fully recovered, and the other two are in self-imposed isolation at home.  Four out of more than 5 million, and all doing fine, yet it's the first item on the news.

 

 

[JFK-1]

2 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

I, and others on this thread, have called out the media over the coverage of the COVID-19 virus.  They need to turn it down a notch, imo. As an example,

 

The first item on the 8AM news this morning was that a fourth person in Greater Toronto (population over 5 million) had been diagnosed with the virus.  Two of the four had already fully recovered, and the other two are in self-imposed isolation at home.  Four out of more than 5 million, and all doing fine, yet it's the first item on the news.

 

 

 

One suggestion I have seen from the experts is that this virus may prove to be seasonal, like flu. Thus as Spring approaches it may fade out. But then if it returns again next year it may then be classed as endemic, again like flu. And permanently blight us. Like flu.

[ri Alban]

Euros 2020 finals under threat now.

[Shanks said no]

7 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Genuinely? By that I mean the test results have come back confirmed from London (I think any positive result in Scotland needs to go to London for final confirmation). 

We should know officially at 2pm

 

The latest numbers of test results are published at 2pm each day on the Scottish Government website.

[Montgomery Brewster]

8 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

That must really piss the YES voters right off🤣

Absolute nonsense 

 

the testing is now done in Scotland 

[Montgomery Brewster]

7 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

I, and others on this thread, have called out the media over the coverage of the COVID-19 virus.  They need to turn it down a notch, imo. As an example,

 

The first item on the 8AM news this morning was that a fourth person in Greater Toronto (population over 5 million) had been diagnosed with the virus.  Two of the four had already fully recovered, and the other two are in self-imposed isolation at home.  Four out of more than 5 million, and all doing fine, yet it's the first item on the news.

 

 

It’s just a big ruse to limit the supply of money. I see China now burning bank notes as they saying this is helping the spread of the virus. 

[Sooperstar]

There is a Japanese woman who has caught it for a 2nd time.

[andy-y]

Currently in Ho Chi Minh having been in Bangkok, off to Ko Samui later in the week before heading to Singapore for a few days. Very little information over here although almost everyone wearing masks at BKK airport. 
 

the wife and I didn’t bother but some concerns are growing for the Singapore part of our trip. 

[Mikey1874]

6 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

 

One suggestion I have seen from the experts is that this virus may prove to be seasonal, like flu. Thus as Spring approaches it may fade out. But then if it returns again next year it may then be classed as endemic, again like flu. And permanently blight us. Like flu.

 

And we build up immunity to it like flu etc. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Sooperstar said:

There is a Japanese woman who has caught it for a 2nd time.

 

Some concerns being raised about the situation in Japan, the virus seems to be spreading rapidly, I think 18 out of the 47 prefectures have cases now, and the authorities fear the infection rate will increase rapidly in the coming days.

The US has upgraded it's travel advice for Japan from a level 1 to level 2 out of 4.

 

More doubts about the Olympic games going ahead being raised day by day now.

 

[...a bit disco]

15 confirmed in the UK now.

 

#EndTimes

 

[JamboMarc]

For the conspiracy theorists.....

 

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

[AlphonseCapone]

2 hours ago, Montgomery Brewster said:

Absolute nonsense 

 

the testing is now done in Scotland 

 

They are but a positive result still needs to be sent for confirmation in London. It's not a big deal. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51436102

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

50 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said:

15 confirmed in the UK now.

 

#EndTimes

 

 

Of the 2 new cases, one was caught in Italy & the other in Tenerife, so according to Public Health England.

[Dagger Is Back]

46 minutes ago, JamboMarc said:

For the conspiracy theorists.....

 

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

 

Not outwith the realms of possibility in the slightest

[Mikey1874]

7 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

 

Not outwith the realms of possibility in the slightest

 

The wild animals available at markets in China are known to carry viruses.

 

Proving the exact route is ongoing. The evidence from previous including SARs is so strong conspiracy theorists will need a lot of back up to prove that is wrong. 

[Салатные палочки]

Seen a video this morning of a Chinese lass having her face attacked by a live octopus as she tried to eat it alive.  It nearly took her eye out.  If spreading disease through eating live animals doesn't serve as a warning, then maybe losing your eye might. 

 

But I am still in the man-made camp.  

[Dagger Is Back]

8 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The wild animals available at markets in China are known to carry viruses.

 

Proving the exact route is ongoing. The evidence from previous including SARs is so strong conspiracy theorists will need a lot of back up to prove that is wrong. 

To be honest Mikey I trust no Government or Agency to tell the truth.

 

Everyone and everything is for sale or is expendable 

[OmiyaHearts]

2 hours ago, andy-y said:

Currently in Ho Chi Minh having been in Bangkok, off to Ko Samui later in the week before heading to Singapore for a few days. Very little information over here although almost everyone wearing masks at BKK airport. 
 

the wife and I didn’t bother but some concerns are growing for the Singapore part of our trip. 

Singapore is the best place to be, looking at the numbers for recovery!

[Brighton Jambo]

3 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said:

Seen a video this morning of a Chinese lass having her face attacked by a live octopus as she tried to eat it alive.  It nearly took her eye out.  If spreading disease through eating live animals doesn't serve as a warning, then maybe losing your eye might. 

 

But I am still in the man-made camp.  

Virus or no virus who the hell wants to try and eat a live octopus.  That is just wrong.  

[Armageddon]

5 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said:

Seen a video this morning of a Chinese lass having her face attacked by a live octopus as she tried to eat it alive.  It nearly took her eye out.  If spreading disease through eating live animals doesn't serve as a warning, then maybe losing your eye might. 

 

But I am still in the man-made camp.  

 

Now that would NEVER happen with a Burger King Bacon Double XL burger.

 

(Where can I see that video?!)

[Mikey1874]

10 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

To be honest Mikey I trust no Government or Agency to tell the truth.

 

Everyone and everything is for sale or is expendable 

 

Fair enough.

 

But if people then trust conspiracy theorists? Over scientists. And what is their agenda? 

Edited February 27, 2020 by Mikey1874

[Shanks said no]

3 hours ago, Sooperstar said:

There is a Japanese woman who has caught it for a 2nd time.

Chinese health officials say about 14% of patients in Guangdong province who had the Coronavirus but recovered and were discharged from hospital have tested positive for the virus again 

[CavySlaveJambo]

53 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Of the 2 new cases, one was caught in Italy & the other in Tenerife, so according to Public Health England.

The Italy case sounds like it may be caught on a school trip. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

23 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

The Italy case sounds like it may be caught on a school trip. 

 

That would seem very likely.

 

[AlphonseCapone]

37 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

Chinese health officials say about 14% of patients in Guangdong province who had the Coronavirus but recovered and were discharged from hospital have tested positive for the virus again 

 

So I wonder if the virus was simply dormant rather than gone from their systems. 

[Салатные палочки]

49 minutes ago, Armageddon said:

 

Now that would NEVER happen with a Burger King Bacon Double XL burger.

 

(Where can I see that video?!)

 

https://iheartintelligence.com/girl-goes-viral-gets-attacked-octopus-trying-to-eat-alive/

 

[Mikey1874]

Definitely with the octopus