Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

I feel your pain, it seems my bladder capacity is receding along with my hairline😆

 

Yeh, these young pups have no idea what's coming their way.  🤣

[Lee_Mellon]

8 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Noticed they have their own 80/- beer (brewed by Stewarts I noticed)

A few things I noticed:-

 

-  the regulars were remarkably cheery...

 

- ...perhaps because the owner says he’s planning takeaways while the bar is shut

 

- a Taylor Landlord  tap

 

- the place has hardly changed since I was last there 40 years ago

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, samgolden said:

Remember there are people who are brainwashed into what mainstream media tell them just look at the scare stories  in the DM all designed to shock and there is a saying 

“A Compliant population is easier to control “ a read at this is interesting 

https://theconversation.com/compliant-environment-turning-ordinary-people-into-border-guards-should-concern-everyone-in-the-uk-107066

This is terrific. 

 

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

This is terrific. 

 

He’s an absolute wankstain. 

[luckydug]

54 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Wouldn’t be so sure about not losing her job. 

This pandemic is trashing reputations everywhere. 

You have to be some kind of masochist to want to be FM or PM at this moment in time. 

So if Nicola or Boris were to resign they would just be replaced with somebody else following the same protocols. 

None of our leaders are going to want to risk stopping restrictions and being the one to lead their nation to deaths on an even greater scale. 

Anyway we know the Tories are safe for the next four years so we might end up with someone even worse than Boris. 

The Scottish public will soon get their chance to remove the SNP but the alternatives are laughable so I wouldn't bet on any changes at the top. 

[Guest]

An hour in and im bored of jockdown already

[Francis Albert]

Popped into our local town centre in our outer London borough which has one of the lowest coronavirus case rates in the country. Hoped to have a meal in one of the few and best Chinese in the area still open a week.or two ago. We have been going there for nearly 40 years. Locked up with a sad little note  in the window warning the owner not to enter and listing the tables and chairs, ovens fridges and other contents for sale. Gone bust presumably. Round the corner we found 3 out of 4 pubs shut in the middle of Friday lunchtime. 

Local cinema closed today after the brief reopening after (the first)  lockdown.

 

 

Edited October 9, 2020 by Francis Albert

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, luckydug said:

This pandemic is trashing reputations everywhere. 

You have to be some kind of masochist to want to be FM or PM at this moment in time. 

So if Nicola or Boris were to resign they would just be replaced with somebody else following the same protocols. 

None of our leaders are going to want to risk stopping restrictions and being the one to lead their nation to deaths on an even greater scale. 

Anyway we know the Tories are safe for the next four years so we might end up with someone even worse than Boris. 

The Scottish public will soon get their chance to remove the SNP but the alternatives are laughable so I wouldn't bet on any changes at the top. 

Don’t disagree with any of that. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

He’s an absolute wankstain. 

I know that but he makes some valid points in the video. 

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

I know that but he makes some valid points in the video. 

Can’t listen to him I’m afraid. Poisonous guy. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

4 minutes ago, luckydug said:

This pandemic is trashing reputations everywhere. 

You have to be some kind of masochist to want to be FM or PM at this moment in time. 

So if Nicola or Boris were to resign they would just be replaced with somebody else following the same protocols. 

None of our leaders are going to want to risk stopping restrictions and being the one to lead their nation to deaths on an even greater scale. 

Anyway we know the Tories are safe for the next four years so we might end up with someone even worse than Boris. 

The Scottish public will soon get their chance to remove the SNP but the alternatives are laughable so I wouldn't bet on any changes at the top. 

 

I certainly wouldn't want their jobs, damned if they do and damned if they don't, no matter what they do.

[heartstastic]

1 hour ago, GinRummy said:

Yeah I broadly agree. My post was in reply to the poster suggesting that Covid 19 doesn’t exist. 

https://www.outersite.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Virus-Mania55tt66.pdf

 

This is a book of which there are many on the subject , questioning the existence of viruses in the way people are told. Well worth a read if anyone has the time or curiosity.

[GinRummy]

5 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Popped into our local town centre in our outer London borough which has one of the lowest coronavirus case rates in the country. Hoped to have a meal in one of the few and best Chinese in the area still open a week.or two ago. We have been going there for nearly 40 years. Locked up with a sad little note  in the window warning the owner not to enter and listing the tables and chairs, ovens fridges and other contents for sale. Gone bust presumably. Round the corner we found 3 out of 4 pubs shut in the middle of Friday lunchtime. 

Local cinema closed today after the brief reopening after (the first)  lockdown.

 

 

The economic fall out is an under reported tragedy. Sorry to hear your news ☹️

[Seymour M Hersh]

2 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Can’t listen to him I’m afraid. Poisonous guy. 

 

So politically you cannot even listen to a view that doesn't concur with your socialist and nationalist ones? 

[heartstastic]

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

So politically you cannot even listen to a view that doesn't concur with your socialist and nationalist ones? 

Yes thats what im suprised at. He wouldn't even watch it ?  The guy makes some great points about a wide range of issues related to Covid. Yes hes an elitist snob but sometimes it appears that some people are inverted snobs. 

 

[luckydug]

1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

Don’t disagree with any of that. 

It's scary when you think of it. 

We are all pissed off at the moment but alternatives are hard to find. 

I think perhaps MPs and MSPs could be more involved in the decision making but that would probably just end up in a bun fight. 

Nothing wrong with having a good moan in fact it's therapeutic but some people are getting too personal accusing FM of deliberately killing people. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

5 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Popped into our local town centre in our outer London borough which has one of the lowest coronavirus case rates in the country. Hoped to have a meal in one of the few and best Chinese in the area still open a week.or two ago. We have been going there for nearly 40 years. Locked up with a sad little note  in the window warning the owner not to enter and listing the tables and chairs, ovens fridges and other contents for sale. Gone bust presumably. Round the corner we found 3 out of 4 pubs shut in the middle of Friday lunchtime. 

Local cinema closed today after the brief reopening after (the first)  lockdown.

 

 

 

Going to be repeated up and down the country I'm afaid.

We've lost one pub in our town, it just never reopened after the lockdown and several of the shops which rely on tourism are in a bad way, will be lucky to survive the winter, I think.

 

In a years time, i dread to think what the fall-out and the state of shops, pubs, restaurants etc etc will look like.

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 minute ago, luckydug said:

It's scary when you think of it. 

We are all pissed off at the moment but alternatives are hard to find. 

I think perhaps MPs and MSPs could be more involved in the decision making but that would probably just end up in a bun fight. 

Nothing wrong with having a good moan in fact it's therapeutic but some people are getting too personal accusing FM of deliberately killing people. 

 

Seems to be fine if you're a democrat VP candidate and you're accusing Trump.

[GinRummy]

9 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

So politically you cannot even listen to a view that doesn't concur with your socialist and nationalist ones? 

That’s a helluva false assumption. I just don’t like the hack that is Peter Hitchens. He often appeared on a religious discussion show I used to watch on a Sunday morning and he came over as a total dick. 
 

FWIW I am neither a nationalist, of any kind, or a socialist. 

Edited October 9, 2020 by GinRummy

[GinRummy]

4 minutes ago, luckydug said:

It's scary when you think of it. 

We are all pissed off at the moment but alternatives are hard to find. 

I think perhaps MPs and MSPs could be more involved in the decision making but that would probably just end up in a bun fight. 

Nothing wrong with having a good moan in fact it's therapeutic but some people are getting too personal accusing FM of deliberately killing people. 

Yes, that’s a ridiculous thing to say. My issue with her current restrictions is that they simply won’t work. Her guidelines won’t be adhered to enough and effectively banning people from drinking in pubs etc will just drive them to drink in groups elsewhere. Where there are no masks, no social distancing and no opening or closing time’s. It’s all just a wast of time. 

[Morgan]

1 hour ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

They need to be reported 

Oh, behave yourself, you silly twit.

[Victorian]

I think the government was reluctantly willing to face most of the hospitality sector to fall by the wayside.   I think the view was being taken that the business owners and job holders of today were beyond help and that,  whenever the crisis ends,  the gap in supply would be filled by new businesses,  employing current and new people.    Sunak's new furlough gives some financial support to the workers.   The workers within the businesses not closing yet.   But I still believe a lot of these businesses are not going to survive for long and the government know it.   This new furlough keeps some on life support.   In limbo.   Some will fold anyway.   It parks the issue for a period of time.   

Edited October 9, 2020 by Victorian

[heartstastic]

8 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Can’t listen to him I’m afraid. Poisonous guy. 

I cannot stand nor do i not trust any politician (that's politician not the man or woman behind the title as i do not know them personally) the ones at the top of structure especially. However if they said things to me that'd made sense or weren't just rhetorical devices designed to get you onside i could take the information on board regardless of whom it came from.

[redjambo]

I'm not one to apportion blame (), but allowing the students physically back to university/college doesn't retrospectively look like a particularly clever idea now. And no, I'm not blaming the students...

Edited October 9, 2020 by redjambo

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, heartstastic said:

I cannot stand nor do i not trust any politician (that's politician not the man or woman behind the title as i do not know them personally) the ones at the top of structure especially. However if they said things to me that'd made sense or weren't just rhetorical devices designed to get you onside i could take the information on board regardless of whom it came from.

Very similar to me. 

[Ibrahim Tall]

37 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

I've no idea. How many people have died directly from HIV?

Was there a ban on sex when it was at its Zenith?

Barely anyone, if anyone at all.

The point is no pretends HIV is irrelevant and removes or excuses figures on the basis that HIV didn’t pull the trigger at the end. 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

I'm not one to apportion blame (), but allowing the students physically back to university/college doesn't retrospectively look like a particularly clever idea now. And no, I'm not blaming the students...

 

Some of them do deserve some of the blame.   Despite being told quite clearly,  they took the utter piss.   I have no truck with this P.C. zeitgeist of people pussy footing around the issue of apportioning blame.   Some have been caught up in the carnage through no fault of their own.   

 

On a related note,  some reports were saying that there are a number of students in ICU.   

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said:

Barely anyone, if anyone at all.

The point is no pretends HIV is irrelevant and removes or excuses figures on the basis that HIV didn’t pull the trigger at the end. 

 

Indeed. Good to see some sense being talked on here.

[Francis Albert]

5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

I'm not one to apportion blame (), but allowing the students back to university/college doesn't retrospectively look like a particularly clever idea now. And no, I'm not blaming the students...

What would the students be doing if they hadn't gone back to umiversity/college?

[redjambo]

Just now, Victorian said:

 

Some of them do deserve some of the blame.   Despite being told quite clearly,  they took the utter piss.   I have no truck with this P.C. zeitgeist of people pussy footing around the issue of apportioning blame.   Some have been caught up in the carnage through no fault of their own.   

 

On a related note,  some reports were saying that there are a number of students in ICU.   

 

Yes, but the decision gave them the opportunity to do so. It was so utterly predictable. And the virus subsequently moved back from the students into the general population.

 

I can only imagine that it was a financial decision to keep the universities afloat with accommodation fees etc. Because if finance weren't an issue, the correct decision would have been, wherever possible, to have online learning for tertiary education courses, at least for the first semester. For some courses this would have been impractical, of course, but for the majority of them it would have worked.

 

Apart from the outbreak in the greater Glasgow area, which wasn't being addressed properly by the government, we were doing really well at that point. Nothing much changed apart from the colleges and universities going back and that decision therefore stands out like a sore thumb.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes, but the decision gave them the opportunity to do so. It was so utterly predictable. And the virus subsequently moved back from the students into the general population.

 

I can only imagine that it was a financial decision to keep the universities afloat with accommodation fees etc. Because if finance weren't an issue, the correct decision would have been, wherever possible, to have online learning for tertiary education courses, at least for the first semester. For some courses this would have been impractical, of course, but for the majority of them it would have worked.

 

Apart from the outbreak in the greater Glasgow area, which wasn't being addressed properly by the government, we were doing really well at that point. Nothing much changed apart from the colleges and universities going back and that decision therefore stands out like a sore thumb.

 

No doubt at all.   It was a mistake and **** knows how that was allowed to happen.   The universities also deserve some blame because they didn't do nearly enough to police the situation.   

 

 

[redjambo]

5 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

What would the students be doing if they hadn't gone back to umiversity/college?

 

Online learning from home. Going to coronavirus-regulated pubs with their friends at home in the same way that they had been doing all summer and in a way they were used to (infection rates did not shoot up in June/July/August). *Not* amassing together in student accommodation and having parties there, thus providing the virus with a very welcome (from its viewpoint) transmission vector.

[Francis Albert]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Online learning from home. Going to coronavirus-regulated pubs with their friends at home in the same way that they had been doing all summer and in a way they were used to (infection rates did not shoot up in June/July/August). *Not* amassing together in student accommodation and having parties there, thus providing the virus with a very welcome (from its viewpoint) transmission vector.

Some university towns have not seen a surge in cases. Through this whole thing there have been unproven assumptions about cause and effect. Did the original lockdown flatten the curve or coincide with a flattening of the curve?

[Nucky Thompson]

16 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

 

 

On a related note,  some reports were saying that there are a number of students in ICU.   

I can't see it myself. It would be all over the National news how the Government let students go back to Uni and some have ended up in ICU.

 

I doubt even one has ended up in there

[AlimOzturk]

See if this current action of shutting down pubs and restaurants doesn’t slow the infection rate what then? Will they go further? 
 

The current restrictions haven’t gone down well from what I have seen. More could see a revolt. 

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I can't see it myself. It would be all over the National news how the Government let students go back to Uni and some have ended up in ICU.

 

I doubt even one has ended up in there

 

Not that I think it's a big story but a 10 second search of news items shows stories by the Manchester Evening News and The Sun.   

[JudyJudyJudy]

18 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes, but the decision gave them the opportunity to do so. It was so utterly predictable. And the virus subsequently moved back from the students into the general population.

 

I can only imagine that it was a financial decision to keep the universities afloat with accommodation fees etc. Because if finance weren't an issue, the correct decision would have been, wherever possible, to have online learning for tertiary education courses, at least for the first semester. For some courses this would have been impractical, of course, but for the majority of them it would have worked.

 

Apart from the outbreak in the greater Glasgow area, which wasn't being addressed properly by the government, we were doing really well at that point. Nothing much changed apart from the colleges and universities going back and that decision therefore stands out like a sore thumb.

It was clearly financial as the Uni were desperate to ensure they got their monies from their inflated student accommodation. 

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

No doubt at all.   It was a mistake and **** knows how that was allowed to happen.   The universities also deserve some blame because they didn't do nearly enough to police the situation.  

 

Yes, **** knows. Has it even been acknowledged as a mistake by the government though? (genuine question - I have no idea)

 

I'm not sure what the universities could have done, however. You put several hundred students together in a hall of residence - no matter how often you ask/tell them not to mix, it's going to happen 100%. Cue a suitable "leaving children alone in a sweetie shop"-type analogy.

 

What's done is done though, and it has resulted in where we are now with further restrictions.

 

On a side note, infections in Aberdeen City shot up today - it had a higher per capita rate than Edinburgh City for example. If it sustains levels like that going forward, we could see it being added to the central belt areas currently subject to restrictions. Of course, it might just be another student halls outbreak. We'll see over the next few days.

[Psychedelicropcircle]

Watching coronation st, ***** are in the pub.

 

raging🤬

[Greedy Jambo]

41 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Oh, behave yourself, you silly twit.

 

Reported. 

 

 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes, **** knows. Has it even been acknowledged as a mistake by the government though? (genuine question - I have no idea)

 

I'm not sure what the universities could have done, however. You put several hundred students together in a hall of residence - no matter how often you ask/tell them not to mix, it's going to happen 100%. Cue a suitable "leaving children alone in a sweetie shop"-type analogy.

 

What's done is done though, and it has resulted in where we are now with further restrictions.

 

On a side note, infections in Aberdeen City shot up today - it had a higher per capita rate than Edinburgh City for example. If it sustains levels like that going forward, we could see it being added to the central belt areas currently subject to restrictions. Of course, it might just be another student halls outbreak. We'll see over the next few days.

 

UK wide there seems to be a quite unpredictable,  unexplained variance in rates,  etc.    I think there may be more complexity to the M.O. of this virus than they're trying to analyse.    The super spreader / mega clusters theory?

[redjambo]

Just now, Victorian said:

 

UK wide there seems to be a quite unpredictable,  unexplained variance in rates,  etc.    I think there may be more complexity to the M.O. of this virus than they're trying to analyse.    The super spreader / mega clusters theory?

 

Can you elaborate on the latter? I could of course search the internet, but I'd be interested in hearing your outlook on things.

[Victorian]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

Can you elaborate on the latter? I could of course search the internet, but I'd be interested in hearing your outlook on things.

 

An article in The Atlantic that was posted last week.   It's on the thread somewhere.

[Greedy Jambo]

Nobody knows knaff all, stay in yer hoose, if you have to socialize, keep your mask on. 

Sorted.

 

[Dawnrazor]

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

An article in The Atlantic that was posted last week.   It's on the thread somewhere.

 

Ok, cheers. I'll have a look for it.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Can you elaborate on the latter? I could of course search the internet, but I'd be interested in hearing your outlook on things.

 

It basically theorised that the R0 reproduction number and the way it supposedly spreads exponentially may be redundant.   Not spreading mainly in a linear way but via mega cluster,  super spreader events.   It theorises that contact tracing needs to be completely reversed.

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

It basically theorised that the R0 reproduction number and the way it supposedly spreads exponentially may be redundant.   Not spreading mainly in a linear way but via mega cluster,  super spreader events.   It theorises that contact tracing needs to be completely reversed.

 

I'm assuming this is it - https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/

 

I'll go and get a coffee and a muffin, and launch myself into it...

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Tend to not have any beer before a game nowadays.

Weak bladder, beer & the cold...............not a great combination. 

My mates and I call it Bladder Meinhof syndrome.