Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

So 15 people under the age of 45.
 

3 of which under 24. 
 

Out a total cases of 70 unless I read wrong, which entirely possible. 
 

 

That is correct, for 4 weeks up until 9 September.

 

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Coronavirus: Younger Scots make up fifth of new Covid hospital admissions
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18732601.coronavirus-younger-scots-make-fifth-new-covid-hospital-admissions/

ONE in five patients admitted to hospital with Covid since the start of August have been aged under 45, with teenagers among those requiring acute care.

 

 

“We are seeing a rise in hospital admissions,” said Ms Sturgeon.

“We are not yet seeing that in Scotland to the same extent a England, but we would expect it’s just a matter of time if we don’t interrupt things.

"There is also a sign that it's not just older people who are being admitted to hospital - some in the younger age group are also among the hospital admissions, which is a reminder that while younger people are less likely to get ill, they can get ill.
"On every aspect of our data right now, there are warning signs flashing. That has to prompt us to take action."

 

In France, deaths from Covid have doubled from fewer than 100 per week in mid-March to 230 a week now, with weekly hospital admissions also tripling over the same period from around 1000 a week to more than 3,200 in the past week.

 

21 people were ADMITTED to hospital in Scotland last week. So Sturgeon is saying 4 were under 45.

Being admitted to hospital can mean turning up at A&E, taken in for the day and getting sent home with medication.

The stats to look at are people in hospital beds with covid which went down by a couple of hundred this week 

 

Sturgeon is chocking to put more restrictions in and she's twisting the way figures are reported to justify it

 

France had 13,000 new infections yesterday and only 26 deaths. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

21 people were ADMITTED to hospital in Scotland last week. So Sturgeon is saying 4 were under 45.

Being admitted to hospital can mean turning up at A&E, taken in for the day and getting sent home with medication.

The stats to look at are people in hospital beds with covid which went down by a couple of hundred this week 

 

Sturgeon is chocking to put more restrictions in and she's twisting the way figures are reported to justify it

 

France had 13,000 new infections yesterday and only 26 deaths. 

Yep using the old chestnut that any age can be affected I assume ! Just to ramp the fear up again . Wish they would make up their minds , is a new lockdown to prevent the elderly from being infected or not ? 

[Ray Gin]

4 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

France had 13,000 new infections yesterday and only 26 deaths. 

 

And 154 the day previous.

[Seymour M Hersh]

40 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

245 new cases in Scotland

0 deaths

63 in hospital with 9 in ICU 

 

I wonder when they were admitted to hospital and into the ICU?  If you get this sort of information it allows you to make a better decision on how dangerous any increase in new cases might be. 

[jambo89]

37 minutes ago, Captain Canada said:

"I believe I have identified a serious, really a fatal flaw in the PCR test used in what is called by the UK Government the Pillar 2 screening – that is, testing many people out in their communities. I’m going to go through this with care and in detail because I’m a scientist and dislike where this investigation takes me."

 

https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/

 

12 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

No, no, no. Anybody that suggests 'lockdowns' are dangerous and/or a waste of time is ignorant, selfish and probably a racist mysoginist who plays pinata with sacks of rainbow-coloured kittens at illegal house parties. Or a virus researcher.

 

That's the same Dr Yeadon that was discussed on this thread 2 weeks ago. 

 

If I am not mistaken, the theory is predicated on a large % of the tests being false positives and a proportion of the population already being immune to the Coronavirus. An interesting theory, however I am sure it was stated that this would be borne out by the fact that the R number would never go above 1. This could be explained by the increase in testing and thus an increase in the false positives leading to an increase in the R number. 

 

 

Apologies if that is not what is in the article and this is new information that isn't about to be discussed for the 3rd time. 

 

 

[jambo89]

11 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

😂😂😂😂😂😂

There is no evidence kids are spreaders, unless you want to provide some. 
 

So you can’t you tell me any business that is shut due schools being open. 

 

What civil liberties have you had restricted caused by kids being at school? 
 

Are are you seriously suggesting pubs should be open before schools, to combat the spread of COVID. Weren’t you demanding they were shut down not that long ago? Either way the cause of multiple clusters in this country. How many we had from schools? 

Also who’s allowed to go to these resteraunts and pubs with the restrictions. It’s economic viability and restrictions keeping them closed as they are allowed to open 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Your not suffering because of people having kids 😂 Your suffering because of a global pandemic 😂
 

You come across a right Jaffa cause there is no logic to what your coming out with,

 

There's lots of evidence that kids are effective virus spreaders. Of course, there is little evidence that they are effective spreaders of Covid-19, but you are smart enough to know why there is little / no evidence of this Novel virus. 

 

 

Here are a couple of studies on children and there effectiveness at spread Covid though

 

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/children-often-carry-more-coronavirus-than-adults-study-67785

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2768952

[frankblack]

8 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

😂😂😂😂😂😂

There is no evidence kids are spreaders, unless you want to provide some. 
 

So you can’t you tell me any business that is shut due schools being open. 

 

What civil liberties have you had restricted caused by kids being at school? 
 

Are are you seriously suggesting pubs should be open before schools, to combat the spread of COVID. Weren’t you demanding they were shut down not that long ago? Either way the cause of multiple clusters in this country. How many we had from schools? 

Also who’s allowed to go to these resteraunts and pubs with the restrictions. It’s economic viability and restrictions keeping them closed as they are allowed to open 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Your not suffering because of people having kids 😂 Your suffering because of a global pandemic 😂
 

You come across a right Jaffa cause there is no logic to what your coming out with,

 

Way to misquote everything I said.

 

Evidence on kids being spreaders or not is subjective with many opinions thinking secondary school kids are as likely as adults.

 

I guess its just a cooincidence that the virus is spreading at rate since the schools reopened, and we have already seen evidence of it spreading through the halls of residence at Napier Uni.

 

As for restauraunts, cafes and pubs, why should they be closed to keep schools open?  People who have to work from home do need to get out and meet friends for the good of their mental health.

[jambo89]

5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Ahh ok. 
 

There is no evidence they are effective spreader of COVID. 
 

As you article are not evidence of that.

 

https://fullfact.org/health/children-silent-super-spreaders-coronavirus/

 

and since we’re just googling 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN24G2IS

 

That's pretty much what I said!

 

I'm glad we agree there is little to no evidence that children spread Coronavirus, but lots of evidence that children are effective spreaders of  virus' in general as well as bacteria. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

23 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

I wonder when they were admitted to hospital and into the ICU?  If you get this sort of information it allows you to make a better decision on how dangerous any increase in new cases might be. 

Yes it would be interesting to know the ages of those in hospital and if they have any underlying conditions . Might be ease the general public’s anxiety but for some reason they don’t ? Hmmmm? 

[SE16 3LN]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

I'm also not buying it that London isn't in a worse place than the north of England.

 

I also think there needs to be a reality check that reopening schools and universities is a terrible idea yet their solution is to shut down other businesses to appease parents.

London isn't in a worse place than the North of England so you're wrong on that, but I agree a Schools and Universities shouldn't be open. Schools provide a babysitting service and Universities are a major part of the economy, especially in places like Newcastle, so that's why they're open.

 

While its hard to find London wide figures on infection rates, borough by borough they range from 14-24  per 100000. A lot less than the Northern hotspots but still on the rise. Khan is lobbying strongly for tighter lockdowns though and that will probably happen this week. I live in Westminster where cases fluctuate but currently stand at 14 per 100000. 

[coconut doug]

27 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

And 154 the day previous.

 

I suspect the poster knew it was Saturday in France yesterday too. Another posted a series of graphs showing spikes in deaths in various countries, in recent days and claimed the graphs showed the death rate was "flatlining". Others have asked sarcastically how long must we wait to see the increase in infections show up in the death rate. They are telling us that they believe there is no link between the infection rate and the death rate. It's akin to the flat earth society.

   Despite this it is claimed that "Sturgeon is chocking to put more restrictions in and she's twisting the way figures are reported to justify it". You just couldn't make it up.

 

[GBJambo]

Are there figures to show how much testing has been done.
 

Of course we are going to see an increase in confirmed cases as we are testing significantly more than back in March/ April. 

 

Would like to see the comparison between now and then based on confirmed cases/tests completed. 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It doesn't help that those in charge seem to be winging it. Guidance is all over the place.

A lockdown in Lancashire with Blackpool not included  Nothing to do with 2 big holiday weekends coming up was it.

Game shooting allowed, but commoners can't meet up with other households in certain parts of England

No wonder some people are just saying feck it with the guidance 

I take your point and agree that the guidance in England is and has been contradictory from the get go. 

Then again that's England's problem. 

I'm looking for Scotland's citizens to follow the guidance and behave with consideration for themselves and others. 

Those saying feck it are going to do so regardless because they're in the 4 categories of my previous post.

 

[The Internet]

OK I think the thread has peaked with the suggestion that keeping bars and restaurants open is as important as schools. We'll see what tomorrow brings though. 

Edited September 20, 2020 by Mauricio Pinilla

[joondalupjambo]

As someone on the wrong side of 60 this has all been quite a journey over the last few months and at times scary, at times unbelievable and at times frustrating.  Fear not though Mr Hancok has told me that the cavalry are coming so at long last I am now feeling more secure.  Hopefully it is the 7th cavalry, they were the bees knees.

 

"We have got the cavalry coming over the next few months - the vaccine, the mass testing and the improvements in treatments - but we have got to all follow the rules between now and then to keep people safe," he added.

[Seymour M Hersh]

Here's an interesting piece from todays Telegraph (Mr Dundas look away as it will scare you shitless). 

 

'Anyone with healthcare experience knows the return to schools leads to a rise in the common cold'
Underpinning the chaos is a fundamental misunderstanding of the effects of seasonal viral pathogens
CARL HENEGHAN
TOM JEFFERSON
20 September 2020 • 6:00am

Cases of Covid are rising, and hospital admissions are creeping up; demand for testing has outstripped capacity ‘three to four times’, admitted Dido Harding, the head of the newly formed National Institute for Health Protection.

She said the ‘sizeable’ rise in demand for tests had been unexpected. Testing capacity was based on modelling from the SAGE advisory group who didn’t anticipate the increase in infections.

As a consequence, the testing system is falling over - only a third of people at walk-in centres get their test results within 24 hours, and the tracing system cannot function appropriately. Confusion reigns, and we are talking ourselves into a second national lockdown as the government is further panicked by its advisors and their fortune-tellers.

Underpinning the chaos is a fundamental misunderstanding of the effects of seasonal viral pathogens.

We are not surprised that Dido Harding doesn’t know that infections rise at this time of year as she has no previous healthcare experience. The oversight of the government advisors in not understanding the seasonal effect, is, however, deeply troubling.

Pandemic theory suggests younger people are more affected. Yet, in this current pandemic, the age structure of those most affected suggests that the virus is operating as a seasonal pathogen.

Over 75s accounted for 75 per cent of the deaths in the UK in the spring outbreak. Analysis of the Office for National Statistics reveals there have been only seven deaths in under 14s the UK, four in Italy up to the age of 19, where the median age of death is 78 years. This pattern is similar across the globe.

However, the H1N1 “swine flu” pandemic in 2009 caused most of its deadly effects in younger people, both those with chronic conditions as well as the healthy young died. In the 2009 pandemic, 70 children died in England.

But more telling, is what is happening with the current increase in cases. As schools have gone back, there has been a rise in acute respiratory infections. GP surveillance data shows more than a 50 per cent increase in consultations in the last week. The majority of these infections are for the common cold.

The return to schools and everyday life leads to a sudden increase in infections at this time of year. In the youngest, there is a near threefold increase in urgent hospital admissions in September. Generally, the under-fives are most affected. Parents readily recognise the problems of juggling care and work that arise with unwell children, something that is seemingly not obvious to the government’s soothsayers.

Baroness Harding stated, “I don’t think anybody was expecting, to see the real sizable increase in demand that we’ve seen over the last few weeks, so none of the modelling was expecting that, and that’s why we all need to think really hard about how we prioritise the use of these tests." This kind of statement betrays a lack of knowledge of respiratory disease and ignorance of the hysteria surrounding even the slightest case of the sniffles.

At this time of year, a highly characteristic rise in respiratory infections occurs in all age groups. It is not clear to us why we have lost sight of this.

The chaos across the board is now a significant issue for all of us. Schools are steadily grinding to a halt: whole year groups are sent home due to a single positive test.

Parents distressed by the need to get a test for their children waste valuable time trying to book an appointment for a result that takes ages to come through. Only one in seven tests provided a result in under 24 hours in the week up to the 9th of September. In many cases, by the time the result does become available the child has recovered and is no longer infectious.

A one-stop test with PCR cannot tell you whether you are infected, contagious or merely excreting pieces of dead viruses. We wonder how many of the segregated were really infectious when they had the test, and we are still unable to understand the rationale for blanket testing.

 
Estimates from Northern Italy suggest that with the high test cut off suggested by Public Health England, less than 3 per cent would be considered contagious. Lack of transparency on the cutoffs used in the test is an additional factor hindering the interpretation of facts.

We are now in a troubling phase. The inevitable rise in cases has not translated into a second “wave”. Our current response is out of proportion to the current threat at hand.

There may come a time when the threat is more significant and we will need a more robust approach to restrictions, but that time is not now.

As we go into the winter consultations for acute respiratory infections (for all viruses and other agents) - in a good year - will quadruple - in a bad year they can go up nearly tenfold. However, in previous years when this has happened, we have not panicked, but we have gone about our daily lives - business unhindered.

Now - more than ever - we need to proceed with a sensible cautious approach. An approach that prioritises social distancing but ensures our society functions as it has done in previous pandemics, and in every year when the seasonal impact of infections occurs.

 

Carl Heneghan is professor of evidence-based medicine at the University of Oxford and director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine.

Tom Jefferson is a senior associate tutor and honorary research fellow at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, University of Oxford.

[The Internet]

Heneghan was on sky news earlier, talks a lot of sense. 

[frankblack]

12 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Where have I misquoted you? Misrepresent you possibly, however,  I asked you some questions, you have choosen not to answer, for clarity 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Subjective evidence is your opinion 😂 No real scientific evidence is there. Evidence from countries that kept school open it didn’t add to spread. Spain, France etc ain’t having mass outbreaks in schools. The world has been reopening schools for a long time and when they have had to be closed is due to it coming from outside in from staff mainly. 

So yeah it’s very much a concidence as the cause a combination of things like Large scale protests, economy opening up, people returning to work, people socialising, people having parties, not obeying the social distance rule, meeting in pubs, houses  etc. These places have all had outbreaks or suspected causes. Schools not so much. 

 

I’ve not once mentions uni so best not try and twist schools suddenly into Uni and adults. That might be the one valid point you’ve made

 

Mmmm you can still get out to pubs and restaurants and meet friends. So your not suffering due to kids are you. When they have been closed it’s been due to 18+ not being able to follow the rules ala Aberdeen. 
 

Though I’ll be honest kids education is way more important than you going for a meal or drink to be quite frank. The mental, social physical aspect on kids not attending school is profound in pretty much every aspect of their future.

 

You not being able to go for a drink,  annoys you just enough to blame people for having kids and schools for the cause of the removal of your civil liberties. 😄

 

So that’s why schools should be kept open over pubs. They are way more important. 
 

Personally think keeping all open should be possible 👍

 

 

 

We will disagree on this no matter what I tell you, and another poster has proven that school children can be spreaders, and I'm too busy to dedicate much more time on it.  Schools have had outbreaks, and I know a friend who has a nephew that was told to self-isolate because someone tested positive in their class in school in the lothians.

 

We can both find links that back up our arguments such as:

https://www.healtheuropa.eu/breakthrough-finding-shows-children-are-silent-spreaders-of-covid-19/102285/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we-cant-let-our-guard-down-scientists-say-some-children-simultaneously-tested-positive-for-covid-19-antibodies-and-coronavirus-2020-09-03

 

I think that at present scientists on both sides lack enough understanding of the virus leading to differing views.

 

My argument on schoolchildren was primarily the older children, and evidence does class them as big a risk as adults.  The question is not so much on school children infecting each other but infecting those in their family units.

 

As for my last point, I did not just say pubs - I included restauraunts and cafes.

[Unknown user]

4 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

 

Going off topic, but that approach on roads like Maybury can be problematic as they will try and overtake you on a roundabout and cut you off!

 

You can find yourself in a problem with idiots behind looking to try some stupid manouvre while you are sticking to the speed limits.

 

It was actually true, I have a GPS tracker fitted, if I speed my insurance goes up.

The approach to the roundabout at the QFC from the west is brutal every time zi do it, no one wants to do 30. I've even had a police van all over my arse there. 

[Ray Gin]

35 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

OK I think the thread has peaked with the suggestion that keeping bars and restaurants open is as important as schools. We'll see what tomorrow brings though. 

 

Definitely enough Internet for today. 😂

[Cade]

Blackpool given exception from the rules for some feckin daft reason.

 

Place is feckin jam packed.

Local council are begging people to stay away.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

If you put a remotely convincing argument together you could convince me. You have put the exact opposite of that together.

 

Interestingly that you don’t consider you could be wrong 🙈

 

Mmm the other poster provided evidence that children are spreaders of viruses but weirdly not Covid. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Off course you know someone who has been told self isolate. 😂

 

 

Except you can’t and you having a mare. Your just googling and posting. It’s a false conclusion as I covered previously 😃 

 

https://fullfact.org/health/children-silent-super-spreaders-coronavirus/

 

 

Your just making stuff up now. Where is this evidence you talk about because it ain’t above. Whilst, you weirdly choose to ignore what is happening with schools elsewhere. Where are all these cases of school kids causing outbreaks? 
 

I can point to people attending pubs infecting family members.

 

 

Your are suggesting pubs, resteraunts and cafes are more important than the schooling of kids. In your words 

 

As for restauraunts, cafes and pubs, why should they be closed to keep schools open?  People who have to work from home do need to get out and meet friends for the good of their mental health.

 

Why’s your need to go for a pint, a meal or a coffee more important than children’s well-being now and in the future?

 

That is the one of the most selfish bat shit mental things I have ever seen suggested. 

👍

[frankblack]

22 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

If you put a remotely convincing argument together you could convince me. You have put the exact opposite of that together.

 

Interestingly that you don’t consider you could be wrong 🙈

 

Mmm the other poster provided evidence that children are spreaders of viruses but weirdly not Covid. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Off course you know someone who has been told self isolate. 😂

 

 

Except you can’t and you having a mare. Your just googling and posting. It’s a false conclusion as I covered previously 😃 

 

https://fullfact.org/health/children-silent-super-spreaders-coronavirus/

 

 

Your just making stuff up now. Where is this evidence you talk about because it ain’t above. Whilst, you weirdly choose to ignore what is happening with schools elsewhere. Where are all these cases of school kids causing outbreaks? 
 

I can point to people attending pubs infecting family members.

 

 

Your are suggesting pubs, resteraunts and cafes are more important than the schooling of kids. In your words 

 

No, I'm saying they are completely unrelated.  Yet the government is saying they must go rather than schools.

 

22 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

As for restauraunts, cafes and pubs, why should they be closed to keep schools open?  People who have to work from home do need to get out and meet friends for the good of their mental health.

 

Why’s your need to go for a pint, a meal or a coffee more important than children’s well-being now and in the future?

 

That is the one of the most selfish bat shit mental things I have ever seen suggested. 

 

[frankblack]

 

24 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

If you put a remotely convincing argument together you could convince me. You have put the exact opposite of that together.

 

 

Actually, no argument would convince you because you have a biased preconceived conclusion.

 

24 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Interestingly that you don’t consider you could be wrong 🙈

 

Neither do you, and resorted to pathetic emojis in an effort to make my argument less credible.  I can play that game with gifs all night if you like.

 

24 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Mmm the other poster provided evidence that children are spreaders of viruses but weirdly not Covid. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

 

The science is not conclusive either way.  Go on, prove that it is 100% fact.

 

24 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Off course you know someone who has been told self isolate. 😂

 

 

Except you can’t and you having a mare. Your just googling and posting. It’s a false conclusion as I covered previously 😃 

 

 

There is another attempt to play the man.  You are in fact the one that has lost their shit.

 

24 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

https://fullfact.org/health/children-silent-super-spreaders-coronavirus/

 

 

Your just making stuff up now. Where is this evidence you talk about because it ain’t above. Whilst, you weirdly choose to ignore what is happening with schools elsewhere. Where are all these cases of school kids causing outbreaks? 
 

 

See above.  I said the science wasn't conclusive either way - convincing arguments are on both sides, yet the virus rates rocket once schools and unis go back.

 

Go on, prove that the science has eliminated teenagers from being a factor as per my original argument.   You keep mixing and matching your argument with primary kids, which isn't my point.

 

24 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I can point to people attending pubs infecting family members.

 

 

So can I for pubs not following the rules.  I can also point at teenagers getting on buses in six and sevens without masks or social distancing - I've seen it many times.

 

24 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Your are suggesting pubs, resteraunts and cafes are more important than the schooling of kids. In your words 

 

No, I'm suggesting that they are important to the social wellbeing of adults forced to work from home, often alone.

 

24 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

As for restauraunts, cafes and pubs, why should they be closed to keep schools open?  People who have to work from home do need to get out and meet friends for the good of their mental health.

 

Why’s your need to go for a pint, a meal or a coffee more important than children’s well-being now and in the future?

 

As above for the wellbeing and mental health.

 

24 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

That is the one of the most selfish bat shit mental things I have ever seen suggested. 

 

Yet again, another personal attack as you lose your shit.

[frankblack]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

 

The government is saying schools are more important than pubs and resteraunts. They are correct. 

You seem to believe pubs are as important if not more important than schools. The reason being your mental health will suffer as you can’t go for a pint😂

 

Your wrong. What’s your point?

 

Am I’m being trolled and haven’t realised it 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

 

 

Yet again misrepresenting my argument.

 

I am saying that lack of social contact in restauraunts, cafes, and pubs can negatively affect people's wellbeing and mental health.

[Unknown user]

5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Ahh that why your obeying the speed limit. 
 

It’s not because of the law it’s because it costs you 😄

 

I suppose you could say it's because breaking the law has quantifiable consequences and there's a point in there somewhere, but TBH I was just saying because it does my chebs in.

[frankblack]

Just now, Lord BJ said:

😂

Not one word I agree with 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

 

 

 

 

I figured. 👍

[frankblack]

14 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Bet that guy think pubs are more important than kids education. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

You think that the mental wellbeing of adults isn't important as long as kids get to school.

[The Internet]

I don't think anyone is like campaigning for pubs and stuff to close (contrary to what some on here think) but if it comes down to a choice then schools need to stay open. Hopefully it doesn't as obviously socialising in real life and not through a screen is important. 

[Dawnrazor]

I'm not sure if any schools in Scotland have closed but the two local primary schools to me, my wife works in one, have closed due to kids being tested positive and there's growning numbers getting tested positive at my sons High School.

[The Mighty Thor]

2 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

I'm not sure if any schools in Scotland have closed but the two local primary schools to me, my wife works in one, have closed due to kids being tested positive and there's growning numbers getting tested positive at my sons High School.

That can't be right?

 

Kids don't catch it and don't spread it either. The Internet says so.

[Robbofan99]

10 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

You think that the mental wellbeing of adults isn't important as long as kids get to school.

Adults have more " resilience" than children ya numpty. Taking children out of school will play havoc with their anxiety and needlessly worry them. 

[Dawnrazor]

9 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

That can't be right?

 

Kids don't catch it and don't spread it either. The Internet says so.

Oh....sorry.......I must be wrong and the schools are still open and no kids have tested positive, my humblist apologies!!

[Victorian]

As a public,  in the main,  we seem to accept that virus can easily be transferred from one surface to another surface and can persist for about 3 days on certain surfaces.    Would it not be reasonable to accept that people who bash around failing to practice / refusing to recognise hand and respiratory hygiene will be much more likely to spread virus around by this vector than those observing what they are told is required?

 

 

[Robbofan99]

10 minutes ago, Victorian said:

As a public,  in the main,  we seem to accept that virus can easily be transferred from one surface to another surface and can persist for about 3 days on certain surfaces.    Would it not be reasonable to accept that people who bash around failing to practice / refusing to recognise hand and respiratory hygiene will be much more likely to spread virus around by this vector than those observing what they are told is required?

 

 

Talk about scraping the barrel.. ffs 

[heartstastic]

Anyone that thinks that goverments have the best interests of the population at heart are incredibly naive.

 

Have a look at that little list for starters.

 

https://listverse.com/2017/06/01/top-10-us-government-experiments-done-on-its-own-citizens/

 

Democide statistics

 

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

 

If you want to know where this particular time in history is heading then read this document from the Rockerfeller Foundation published in 2010.

 

https://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller Foundation.pdf

 

Also United Nations Agenda 21

 

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf

 

I could not care less if people want to label me a conspiracy theorist...especially on the internet. But the information in the bottom 2 documents are currently playing out in realtime. The end goal is a 2 tier (0.1% with all the wealth and the rest living in general poverty) communist style world based on a social crediting/behavioral system (much like has been rolled out in China these last few years) where everything is connected to the internet and should you step outside of the strict behavioural parameters then your ability to live within the system will be heavily curtailed or cut off completely. We are currently experincing the test phase, where they are gauging the compliance/behaviour of the population to future pandemics scenarios and to get you prepped for there multiple vaccanations programs they have lined up.

 

Whether you choose to dismiss this information is neither here nor there to me, but it will become apparent to everyone over the coming months and years that this plan is rolling out.

 

This plan has been in the makings for decades whilst most of the world has been blissfully unaware with there heads up there asses in the carefully constructed society they created which keeps everyone distracted with there divide and rule playbook.....politics, sport etc...as long as you pick a side in any of these.you are distracted from what is actually being played out..a simple magicians trick. This is why they employ these tactics for if the populations were to wake up to how they are being played ,they would realise that most of the 'diffrences' we have are engineered and designed to keep you at odds with your fellow man whilst they take all your wealth of you whilst mocking the living daylights out of you.

 

 

 

https://liberationist.org/dividing-people-is-the-best-way-to-lead/

 

If this is the world you want everyone you know to exist in then continue to stick your head in the sand and continue to label people as crazy conspiracy nuts...its already here and it's not going to end well unless people grow a spine and oppose this.....we can do much better than this shitshow but we all must take on that personal responsiblity.

 

Peace, love and prosperity to you all.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Yip pissed punters are murder for hygiene. You seen how many people don’t wash their hands after a piss. 

 

Definitely.   Some people in general.    But you have to wonder what kind of spread is due to this.   I carry hand gel anywhere I go and apply it and wash my hands about twenty times a day at work.   It just seems sensible.    

[frankblack]

31 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said:

Adults have more " resilience" than children ya numpty. Taking children out of school will play havoc with their anxiety and needlessly worry them. 

 

Not when it exposes family members - parents, grandparents, etc.

 

I suppose adults that are unable to work or are suffering mental health problems as a result of covid don't matter?

[frankblack]

7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Definitely.   Some people in general.    But you have to wonder what kind of spread is due to this.   I carry hand gel anywhere I go and apply it and wash my hands about twenty times a day at work.   It just seems sensible.    

 

A lot of people going out to bars and restauraunts are reserving two hour slots and have to observe very strict hygene rules - mask on when not at a table, toilets with social distancing, and hand sanitiser on entry and at the toilets.

 

Spit and sawdust boozers are perhaps less likely to follow this, I accept.

[The Mighty Thor]

33 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Oh....sorry.......I must be wrong and the schools are still open and no kids have tested positive, my humblist apologies!!

Good man. Keep to the tin foil helmeted narrative 👍

[flogel41]

Someone asked earlier about tests being done against positive tests, I can't find the post but.....

 

This is Scotland only from 01.04.2020 to last published data 15.09.2020. (Started at 01/04/2020 as this is the start of consistently reported data).

 

It's difficult to get them on the same graph due to the scales as the % of positive tests figure is small in comparison to total tests.

 

Also confirmed Covid ICU cases over the same period in Scotland.

 

 

All the unfiltered data for Scotland is published on the Scottish government website. The data for England and Wales is published on the ONS website.

 

Re the argument earlier over the ERI admissions, there may have been some confusion caused by the way the data is reported. Where admissions are less than 5 the figure is not reported for the individual health board due to confidentiality (not quite sure of the logic on that one!) so it may have appeared that no admissions in NHS Lothian as the numbers were under 5.

 

 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

A lot of people going out to bars and restauraunts are reserving two hour slots and have to observe very strict hygene rules - mask on when not at a table, toilets with social distancing, and hand sanitiser on entry and at the toilets.

 

Spit and sawdust boozers are perhaps less likely to follow this, I accept.

 

On several occasions in work during the past few months I have been coughed at at close distance,  without any attempt whatsoever to cover mouth / divert direction of cough,  etc.    People actually just cough right at you.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I suspect hand washing is the single biggest precaution we can take. Whilst probably the simplest unless your a clarity so and so.
 

I always carried hand gel about, however, its stepped up a level. Before I go in anywhere, get the old hand gel and use. When I leave hand gel comes out again and possibly used during my stay depending on how long and what doing. Some might think going ott and doing @JamesM48 ( only messing) but it’s not difficult thing to do and even with my limit science knowledge I know it prevents germs from spreading. Plus sometime singing happy birthday to myself cheers me up😀

 

My kids have had well drilled in to the from us and school. They have hand gel in blazers and attached to school bag and it’s just become the routine for them. 
 

You work in a customer facing role, I think, how do you find hygiene of customer coming in do they use the sanitizer or whatever is available?

 

My employer has made no efforts to supply anything at all to staff,  let alone for customers.    But I don't think it's all that unreasonable.   People should provide for themselves for hand hygiene.    It's perhaps another useful piece of routine behaviour to remind people.   If they carry their own... they're aware of it's use.

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I suspect hand washing is the single biggest precaution we can take. Whilst probably the simplest unless your a clarity so and so.
 

I always carried hand gel about, however, its stepped up a level. Before I go in anywhere, get the old hand gel and use. When I leave hand gel comes out again and possibly used during my stay depending on how long and what doing. Some might think going ott and doing @JamesM48 ( only messing) but it’s not difficult thing to do and even with my limit science knowledge I know it prevents germs from spreading. Plus sometime singing happy birthday to myself cheers me up😀

 

My kids have had well drilled in to the from us and school. They have hand gel in blazers and attached to school bag and it’s just become the routine for them. 
 

You work in a customer facing role, I think, how do you find hygiene of customer coming in do they use the sanitizer or whatever is available?

LOL Oh i still take hand gel out with me. Nothing wrong with that. Esp if going for a coffee in town or food . Dont know how many cups/ etc servers use each day and touch. Also i avoid using my phone until i have finished my food or coffee etc. 

[Dawnrazor]

11 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Good man. Keep to the tin foil helmeted narrative 👍

😅 aye, it seems the way to go!

[The Internet]

My wife was always a massive germophobe and would always take sanitiser out with her to shops and would wipe down the trolleys and that long before any of this just carrying on as normal really. Never wore a mask back in the good old days (pre-April) though. 

[Victorian]

I sat behind a bus passenger on Friday who got on,  handled the seat handles and uprights with no gloves,  sat down and immediately started howking away at his lughole with his index finger.    It's one thing to be careless,   quite another to maybe be ramming virus right down your aural tract.   

[frankblack]

12 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

On several occasions in work during the past few months I have been coughed at at close distance,  without any attempt whatsoever to cover mouth / divert direction of cough,  etc.    People actually just cough right at you.

 

Not at work, but last week I got a bus into town.  Not only did the guy behind not social distance or wear a mask they coughed from right behind as I was standing on the bus paying.

 

Public transport is virus central in any given winter with people who if sick don't care who they spread it to.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Lost count of amount of times Ive been on a bus and someone has coughed. Most try and cover their face with their hands. But i've noticed that some idiots cough just through their mask, clearly thinking thats ok and no particles will get through. ! I've moved seats a few times when this has happened but generally people seem to be ok , esp with the mask wearing.