Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

So just let everyone get infected and the vulnerable die. Sounds a good plan.

Read my post again. Everybody is responsible for their own outcomes . If older / vulnerable people take precautions,  sanitise their hands, wear masks and socially distance where possible,  they will NOT become infected, regardless of what young people do. That is the key fact that scientific modelling and inept politicians don't seem able to grasp. If those with co-morbidities pitch up at an illegal rave then ,perhaps, they are putting themselves at risk. We don't need govt diktats to enforce that.

[Shanks said no]

34 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Cheers you don’t know how many die in Scotland a day. I’m sure I could google but suspect you know.

2017    57,883 Average of 158 each day
2018    58,503 Average of 160
2019    58,108 Average of 159

 

There are of course seasonal variations
 

Edited September 19, 2020 by The Frenchman Returns

[Enzo Chiefo]

27 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Yeah you're special and are above the rules.

 

 

I've obeyed the rules for 6 months and was wearing a mask long before it became "mandatory" - although nobody can enforce it - so I think I can make my own judgements now. With all due respect, you can direct your sanctimonious pish towards those who have NOT been obeying the rules. If you wish to cower under wee Nicola's tartan safety blanket then you are free to do so. 

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I've obeyed the rules for 6 months and was wearing a mask long before it became "mandatory" - although nobody can enforce it - so I think I can make my own judgements now. With all due respect, you can direct your sanctimonious pish towards those who have NOT been obeying the rules. If you wish to cower under wee Nicola's tartan safety blanket then you are free to do so. 

 

No, you're right. This bratty, entitled attitude isn't at all Cartman-like. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

6 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

No, you're right. This bratty, entitled attitude isn't at all Cartman-like. 

Whaaaatever🤚

[Jambo 4 Ever]

13 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I've obeyed the rules for 6 months and was wearing a mask long before it became "mandatory" - although nobody can enforce it - so I think I can make my own judgements now. With all due respect, you can direct your sanctimonious pish towards those who have NOT been obeying the rules. If you wish to cower under wee Nicola's tartan safety blanket then you are free to do so. 

It is law now 

[ri Alban]

57 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Or follow "the science "?? I think I'll make my own judgements.  Perhaps your unadulterated memes are better directed at the youngsters who flaunt the basic rules. Just sayin' ( no "g")

You've no right to threaten peoples health by making your own uneducated judgement calls. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

You've no right to threaten peoples health by making your own uneducated judgement calls. 

Everybody is responsible for their own actions and their own health. For the record, I am not risking anyones health. Instead of mouthing off on here perhaps you could police the streets and break up groups of youngsters breaching the rules 

[Robbofan99]

8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Everybody is responsible for their own actions and their own health. For the record, I am not risking anyones health. Instead of mouthing off on here perhaps you could police the streets and break up groups of youngsters breaching the rules 

Some daft cow on Facebook posted about 26 “ youths “ in a park “ beaching the rules “ some people need to get a life seriously . 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

there has been an override to the guidelines/laws from day 1 in that people are allowed to carry-out journeys and tasks which are considered “necessity” even although they may not be specifically covered in the guidelines or more relevantly for here in the media

 

in full lockdown people were allowed to take their dogs for a walk but if you owned a herd of goats 6 miles away (but were not deemed an agricultural worker) it was expected you would not just let them die if they needed some level of care - you were allowed to make that journey and carry out that task - you were even allowed to do it if you had covid (albeit only if all other reasonable options had been exhausted)

 

those tasks and journeys have always been allowable but have to be carried out implementing social distancing hand washing etc

 

all true - so not that anyone here will be jumping to conclusions - but just in case when you see your neighbour (or enzo) apparently breaking the rules and indirectly definitely killing the older generation and more vulnerable - ask yourself do they have goats and are they implementing the correct bio-security? It might all be good and legal after all

 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

23 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

It is law now 

What is? Wearing masks? A law is only enforceable if someone can punish those who do not adhere to it. I remember the days when bus drivers would come up the stairs and physically throw rule-breakers off the bus. No mask - no entry...bus/supermarket/shop wherever.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Indeed you could travel

up and down the country at will with COVID in order to test your eyesight. 

 

yeah I think it was that override which Cummings was trying to grasp on to

 

didnt really work tho and made it much worse as his behaviour was likely to influence the general population

[Enzo Chiefo]

26 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said:

Some daft cow on Facebook posted about 26 “ youths “ in a park “ beaching the rules “ some people need to get a life seriously . 

👍

[kila]

The tinfoil hat brigade are still going strong in this thread I see

 

[Ray Gin]

28 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said:

Some daft cow on Facebook posted about 26 “ youths “ in a park “ beaching the rules “ some people need to get a life seriously . 

 

Bit of a stretch calling a bunch of youths getting together for a piss-up "free-thinkers".

 

[Weakened Offender]

3 minutes ago, kila said:

The tinfoil hat brigade are still going strong in this thread I see

 

 

It'll be interesting to see how they defend their lunacy in the coming weeks /months. Although in Gonzo's case, the backtracking has already started. 

[Robbofan99]

1 minute ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

It'll be interesting to see how they defend their lunacy in the coming weeks /months. Although in Gonzo's case, the backtracking has already started. 

YeH it’ll be interesting to see the Death Stats / hospital admissions ! Be nice to see some egg on some mushes on this 

[kila]

27 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

What is? Wearing masks? A law is only enforceable if someone can punish those who do not adhere to it. I remember the days when bus drivers would come up the stairs and physically throw rule-breakers off the bus. No mask - no entry...bus/supermarket/shop wherever.

 

That was back when tattoos meant someone was actually hard. 

 

[Harry Potter]

Just now, kila said:

 

That was back when tattoos meant someone was actually hard. 

 

😀, aye.

[Ray Gin]

5 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said:

YeH it’ll be interesting to see the Death Stats / hospital admissions ! Be nice to see some egg on some mushes on this 

 

 

"Figures show 183 newly infected patients were admitted to hospitals in England on Wednesday, compared to 84 nine days ago and only 38 on August 30.

Current analysis suggests that at the current rate, it could take just over three weeks for daily hospital admissions to pass 2,000 – not far off the 3,000 admitted each day during April."

 

 

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/19/coronavirus-hospital-admissions-could-reach-first-wave-levels-by-next-month-13294258/?ito=cbshare

Edited September 19, 2020 by Ray Gin

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 minutes ago, kila said:

 

That was back when tattoos meant someone was actually hard. 

 

😂. Haha. Yes, it was.

[Nucky Thompson]

3 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

It'll be interesting to see how they defend their lunacy in the coming weeks /months. . 

2,4,6,8 weeks or the end of Winter. Delete as appropriate.

 

FFS. You're the guy who wants a full lockdown to spite folk on a forum that you have never met in real life 

[Don Dan]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Read my post again. Everybody is responsible for their own outcomes . If older / vulnerable people take precautions,  sanitise their hands, wear masks and socially distance where possible,  they will NOT become infected, regardless of what young people do. That is the key fact that scientific modelling and inept politicians don't seem able to grasp. If those with co-morbidities pitch up at an illegal rave then ,perhaps, they are putting themselves at risk. We don't need govt diktats to enforce that.

Sadly that is not possible, people need protected from themselves.  As we have seen recently young people think they are invincible, lots even don’t think it’s that dangerous they think they immune as will socialise with the old and vulnerable passing the virus on. I have family who actually think that way. Needless to say they are kept well back from me and that’s only because I don’t want to get Covid19. 

[Back to 2005]

9 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

 

"Figures show 183 newly infected patients were admitted to hospitals in England on Wednesday, compared to 84 nine days ago and only 38 on August 30.

Current analysis suggests that at the current rate, it could take just over three weeks for daily hospital admissions to pass 2,000 – not far off the 3,000 admitted each day during April."

 

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/19/coronavirus-hospital-admissions-could-reach-first-wave-levels-by-next-month-13294258/?ito=cbshare

That another of Ferguson's projections?... normally pretty accurate! 

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, Back to 2005 said:

That another of Ferguson's projections?... normally pretty accurate! 

 

They're what the numbers will be if the current rate of increased admissions continues. Obviously the future rate depends hugely on what restrictions are in place and how well people stick to them.

 

[Robbofan99]

6 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

2,4,6,8 weeks or the end of Winter. Delete as appropriate.

 

FFS. You're the guy who wants a full lockdown to spite folk on a forum that you have never met in real life 

Yes he wants to ruin people lives by having a full lockdown . Terribly selfish . Obviously sits on his arse workin from home if he works at all . 

[Back to 2005]

7 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Sadly that is not possible, people need protected from themselves.  As we have seen recently young people think they are invincible, lots even don’t think it’s that dangerous they think they immune as will socialise with the old and vulnerable passing the virus on. I have family who actually think that way. Needless to say they are kept well back from me and that’s only because I don’t want to get Covid19. 

Young people have a right to enjoy their youth. 

What right has anyone to deny them that? If it was short term then it might be acceptable but it wont be will it? 

[Nucky Thompson]

6 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

 

"Figures show 183 newly infected patients were admitted to hospitals in England on Wednesday, compared to 84 nine days ago and only 38 on August 30.

Current analysis suggests that at the current rate, it could take just over three weeks for daily hospital admissions to pass 2,000 – not far off the 3,000 admitted each day during April."

 

 

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/19/coronavirus-hospital-admissions-could-reach-first-wave-levels-by-next-month-13294258/?ito=cbshare

Look at all the graphs. Infections are nearly at the same levels as March and April and hospital rates and deaths are still flatlining. 

It didn't take 3 weeks back then, it spiked in a couple of days

[Robbofan99]

5 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Sadly that is not possible, people need protected from themselves.  As we have seen recently young people think they are invincible, lots even don’t think it’s that dangerous they think they immune as will socialise with the old and vulnerable passing the virus on. I have family who actually think that way. Needless to say they are kept well back from me and that’s only because I don’t want to get Covid19. 

Judging by your neurotic postings probably various reasons why your family don’t want to be near you 😂

[Robbofan99]

6 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

That another of Ferguson's projections?... normally pretty accurate! 

Lol only time will tell 

[Don Dan]

57 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Everybody is responsible for their own actions and their own health. For the record, I am not risking anyones health. Instead of mouthing off on here perhaps you could police the streets and break up groups of youngsters breaching the rules 

I would interested to know if you would visit the old and vulnerable people if you are living life as you say you want to during this pandemic. Would make a decision not to visit or socialise with them knowing you had been to the pub or other venues where the likely hood of contracting the disease is higher. 

[Ray Gin]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Look at all the graphs. Infections are nearly at the same levels as March and April and hospital rates and deaths are still flatlining. 

It didn't take 3 weeks back then, it spiked in a couple of days

 

How are hospital rates flat lining? They've gone from 38 to 183 in 3 weeks. (that's a rise of 482%)

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by Ray Gin

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

They're what the numbers will be if the current rate of increased admissions continues. Obviously the future rate depends hugely on what restrictions are in place and how well people stick to them.

 

No they won't . That's the point. It's modelling but it doesn't factor in logic, common sense or human behaviour.  If older people stick to the rules, they will be fine.

[Enzo Chiefo]

9 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Sadly that is not possible, people need protected from themselves.  As we have seen recently young people think they are invincible, lots even don’t think it’s that dangerous they think they immune as will socialise with the old and vulnerable passing the virus on. I have family who actually think that way. Needless to say they are kept well back from me and that’s only because I don’t want to get Covid19. 

Govts have no business "saving people from themselves ". That's where you stray into totalitarianism. 

[Don Dan]

3 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Young people have a right to enjoy their youth. 

What right has anyone to deny them that? If it was short term then it might be acceptable but it wont be will it? 

What right have they to jeopardise people’s health and life just to party and live like there’s no tomorrow especially until we get this thing under control and developed medicine and hopefully a vaccine to deal with it. Yeh feck it let’s be selfish and forget and disregard others in society just to enjoy life in the now. This is typical of the I want it now younger generation and even some of the slightly older generation. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

5 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

I would interested to know if you would visit the old and vulnerable people if you are living life as you say you want to during this pandemic. Would make a decision not to visit or socialise with them knowing you had been to the pub or other venues where the likely hood of contracting the disease is higher. 

I'm socially distancing,  wearing a mask and sanitising my hands. Any pubs I have been to, have got great rules in place and are safe. So, yes, is the answer.

[Nucky Thompson]

Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

How are hospital rates flat lining? They've gone from 38 to 183 in 3 weeks. 

 

On the graphs over the last 6 months. There is an enormous spike in March and April now it's going along in a flat line even with the recent increases. 

The people who are in hospital for a small length of time has gone from roughly 850 to about 1000.

Daily admissions might only be for a couple of hours then sent home

[Robbofan99]

2 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

What right have they to jeopardise people’s health and life just to party and live like there’s no tomorrow especially until we get this thing under control and developed medicine and hopefully a vaccine to deal with it. Yeh feck it let’s be selfish and forget and disregard others in society just to enjoy life in the now. This is typical of the I want it now younger generation and even some of the slightly older generation. 

You can’t see the irony at all in that posting 

[Taffin]

7 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

I would interested to know if you would visit the old and vulnerable people if you are living life as you say you want to during this pandemic. Would make a decision not to visit or socialise with them knowing you had been to the pub or other venues where the likely hood of contracting the disease is higher. 

 

I was staying at my parents when I was home in the summer for a 'stag do' (beers in the park). I socially distanced and wiped things down after I'd used them the next day when I was still at their home as I felt I'd increased my potential exposure on my day/night out. I think when you visit someone it's a different ball game as your going into their home and safe space (for lack of a better phrase). 

[Don Dan]

3 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Govts have no business "saving people from themselves ". That's where you stray into totalitarianism. 

No that’s why we elect them. They have the tools (hopefully) to guide us through situations like this otherwise we would be up the creek without a paddle. If government have no business saving people from themselves why do we have hospitals and treat people from smoking to much or earring to much gee I could on but sadly you have no empathy for protecting people from themselves. 

[Don Dan]

3 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I'm socially distancing,  wearing a mask and sanitising my hands. Any pubs I have been to, have got great rules in place and are safe. So, yes, is the answer.

So you are following the guidelines whilst condemning them at the same time. 
 

[Robbofan99]

1 minute ago, Boy Daniel said:

So you are following the guidelines whilst condemning them at the same time. 
 

No he’s questioning them which is fine to do so , you can do both 

[CavySlaveJambo]

12 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Look at all the graphs. Infections are nearly at the same levels as March and April and hospital rates and deaths are still flatlining. 

It didn't take 3 weeks back then, it spiked in a couple of days

In March and April the virus had been spreading unknown for who knows how long in the community. 
 

The first confirmed community death in the U.K. is now February not March as was previously believed. 
 

what we have now that we did not have then is widespread community testing for symptomatic people. Back then they were only testing specific people. 

[Back to 2005]

8 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

What right have they to jeopardise people’s health and life just to party and live like there’s no tomorrow especially until we get this thing under control and developed medicine and hopefully a vaccine to deal with it. Yeh feck it let’s be selfish and forget and disregard others in society just to enjoy life in the now. This is typical of the I want it now younger generation and even some of the slightly older generation. 

Well you stay and hide behind the sofa and you will be safe. As can anyone else that has been terrified by the MSM and the politicians. 

You have no right to tell others what to do or suggest they are selfish when the policies you support are doing irreparable damage to people with other conditions. 

[Don Dan]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I was staying at my parents when I was home in the summer for a 'stag do' (beers in the park). I socially distanced and wiped things down after I'd used them the next day when I was still at their home as I felt I'd increased my potential exposure on my day/night out. I think when you visit someone it's a different ball game as your going into their home and safe space (for lack of a better phrase). 

You were doing the right thing sadly lots of people are not hence the rise in infections. It’s the reason for this new 6_2 rule. That why Sturgeon brought it in. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

Just now, Boy Daniel said:

So you are following the guidelines whilst condemning them at the same time. 
 

No, I am condemning any further restrictions and travel bans along with anything that damages the economy, which ultimately funds the NHS

[Don Dan]

5 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said:

You can’t see the irony at all in that posting 

Nope I can’t

[Bull's-eye]

I've got 2 Hearts masks and wear them pretty much 24/7. 

While ones being sanitised I wear the other. 

 

I look fantastic. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

The problem with modelling if you are only ever see one model talked about/referred to in media. There will be hundreds with different parameters and outcomes. Modelling doesn’t tell you anything, in reality it’s just lots of scenarios,  it just helps with decision making. 
 

I’ll be honest it can’t be denied there is a concerning trend. That said additional restrictions have been in place that hopefully slow down or reverse the trend. 
 

The problem is lockdowns don’t actually solve anything. It’s not a solution. By govts own admission it’s a simple tool to use. The issue for me is they haven’t come up with a strategy that isn’t lockdown which has become just as damaging, if not more so, than the virus. 

 

Yes, I agree with all that.

[Don Dan]

2 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Well you stay and hide behind the sofa and you will be safe. As can anyone else that has been terrified by the MSM and the politicians. 

You have no right to tell others what to do or suggest they are selfish when the policies you support are doing irreparable damage to people with other conditions. 

No I don’t hide behind the sofa I take the necessary precautions when I’m out and about. 
The virus is doing irreplaceable damage to the economy only because at the moment there in sure fire way of dealing with it other than the advice we are give. Advice which you ignore and encourage others to ignore whilst have no reasonable alternative that doesn’t put people’s health and life in danger. Your answer is let’s open the doors and take what comes. That’s been obvious since you started posting on this thread.