Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Taffin]

11 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said:

More minor cases = more serious cases = more deaths

 

That surely doesn’t still need to be pointed out does it? 

If you want zero deaths to continue you need to prevent the illness spreading at all, not wait until it’s spreading easily.

 

More minor cases simply equals more minor cases.

 

It may also come with increased serious cases and potentially deaths.

 

I agree with your last paragraph though 👍

[Gordon Ramsay]

11 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

BUT HOLD ON

 

 

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[SE16 3LN]

12 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

That’s the point I’m trying to make Aberdeen has a population of 222, 789 people and has found 54 infections . 

This

[jack D and coke]

28 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

I don't care if he's a good guy,  bad guy or a giraffe.   His comments were horrendously ignorant.    The sort of abject ignorance that contributes towards significant harm against the efforts to keep a lid on this epidemic.

 

 

You think this sort of thing can continue? There might never be a vaccine. Your life as you know is therefore over. Keep locking down? Keep crippling businesses and people’s livelihoods? This isn’t a pop at you at all mate I just don’t see how this can continue. Lockdown must come to an end imo. We need to go the Swedish route or there will be nothing left. The amount of job losses already is frightening. 

26 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Most sensible people realise that people don't instantly end up in ICU and die after catching Covid. This spike could easily spiral and lead to death and ICU cases 2-3 weeks from now.

 

If we want to keep the deaths at zero we need to take action.

 

This can’t ever happen imo. This isn’t just going to go away no matter how long you keep shops and restaurants and bars closed. It’s waiting for them to open again and then bang back to square one. It’s crazy to think otherwise imo. 
I can’t get my head around people who just think locking everything down will work. I’m reading so many people already who will refuse a vaccine, then what? It’s keeps spreading and mutating and lockdown after lockdown? 

Edited August 5, 2020 by jack D and coke

[XXX]

I guess most outbreaks will come from the pubs in the future. 

[Weakened Offender]

51 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Just watching the daily briefing . Poor workers in pubs etc being kicked in the teeth by the SG due to slight rises in infections . Playing havoc with workers mental health and income . Sickening . And in other news those in ICU down by one to 3 and NO deaths again .

 

Pretty sure you're serious but it's hard to tell on this joke of a thread now 😁

[Pasquale for King]

6 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Blame the pubs and their patrons for not sticking to the social distancing guidelines.

 

 

You would need to see that to say for certain, it can still spread even in the most sanitised of environments as the deaths in the NHS show. 

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, The Spy Who Loved Me said:

I guess most outbreaks will come from the pubs in the future. 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[JudyJudyJudy]

19 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

BUT HOLD ON

 

 

"Yeah just been to local sainsbury and got a load of foods.  I get home take the gloves off and carefully take the mask off  from behind the ears... then  i fill my sink with washing up liquid and some bleach then wipe down most of the food packages which are plastic plus tins bottles etc.  Leave them to dry then put them away. Seems to have worked so far for me but it is a bit of a carry on..."

 

 

 

Yes guilty are charged with that posting. Im flattered and in some ways freaked out your recall it.  However it has backfired on you as it evidences how much I've moved on mentally since then.  Yes like most at the beginning of the pandemic was shitting myself,  I was worried i would die, my family would and other loved ones.  Therefore i became very anxious , probably over anxious and read too much online about the certain  " mortality " of the CV.  However through the months I've became more relaxed and educated myself more about the virus and read tons of info online via this , twitter and other forums.  In interpreting this I have made my own risk assessments and now I am far more happier and relaxed about the whole pandemic. I am out and about.  I recently went to Glasgow for a day and night out. Been on buses , indoor and outdoor pubs and enjoyed the relaxed atmosphere and the good times with friends.Something i didn't have cooped up for months..  I was invited to Derry for a weekend but declined that due to being on a plane ( not ready for that yet ) .    LIke i said before the stats ( the important ones ie hospital admissions and deaths) are going down. I'm MORE anxious about a return to a full lockdown than the virus in fact.  AT the present time i feel like i'm living again. I make no apolgies for that. 

Edited August 5, 2020 by JamesM48

[Weakened Offender]

19 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

BUT HOLD ON

 

 

 

Well played. 😊

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, jonesy said:

Most outbreaks I’ve had of anything have had their origins in some pub or other, yep

Pubs have been identified as the most likely place for the virus to spread. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

19 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Zero death rate was achieved by imposing draconian measures on people’s ability to live, work and socialise. We could keep a zero death rate on the roads by banning all cars, bikes and lorries. 
 

It’s simply unrealistic to expect a virus not to transmit once people have contact again. 
 

The Scottish Government appears to be very concerned that it is losing its “telt ye so” status over London, and so has gone overboard. 

Agreed 

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

In a world of risk assessments for changing light bulbs, I sadly agree. 
 

I’d  still like to know why the self-quarantine and contact tracing measures aren’t being applied and are deemed insufficient. 

Probably because the people who you would be relying on to self isolate are the arseholes who were crammed into the boozer ignoring the advice to socially distance in the first place. 

 

You can't risk assess selfish twats. 

[Don Dan]

29 minutes ago, Fun Boaby said:

Lockdown (although would have been more effective quicker)

Nightinggale hospitals

Furlough scheme

Financial assistance for self employed

Grants that don't need paid back

Easing of restrictions with no major spikes

 

Surely you can pick at least one of those

Lockdown. Not stricken enough and as you say not quick enough. 
Nightingale hospital. Yes although not used. They had to be available though.

Furlough scheme/Financial assistance. Missed a few people that should have received it. 
Grants. Tax payer will pick that up as they should. 
Easing of lockdown. Spikes piping up all over the place in the NW.

 

PPE bought that was not up to scratch.

Track and Trace and the App, they don’t even have them working yet. 
 

Their biggest failure in all this has been communication. Incoherent mixed messages at every stage has blighted this response right from the start. 
 

 

[SE16 3LN]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

"Yeah just been to local sainsbury and got a load of foods.  I get home take the gloves off and carefully take the mask off  from behind the ears... then  i fill my sink with washing up liquid and some bleach then wipe down most of the food packages which are plastic plus tins bottles etc.  Leave them to dry then put them away. Seems to have worked so far for me but it is a bit of a carry on..."

 

 

 

Yes guilty are charged with that posting. Im flattered and in some ways freaked out your recall it.  However it has backfired on you as it evidences how much I've moved on mentally since then.  Yes like most at the beginning of the pandemic was shitting myself,  I was worried i would die, my family would and other loved ones.  Therefore i became very anxious , probably over anxious and read too much online about the certain  " mortality " of the CV.  However through the months I've became more relaxed and educated myself more about the virus and read tons of info online via this , twitter and other forums.  In interpreting this I have made my own risk assessments and now I am far more happier and relaxed about the whole pandemic. I am out and about.  I recently went to Glasgow for a day and night out. Been on buses , indoor and outdoor pubs and enjoyed the relaxed atmosphere and the good times with friends.Something i didn't have cooped up for months..  I was invited to Derry for a weekend but declined that due to being on a plane ( not ready for that yet ) .    LIke i said before the stats ( the important ones ie hospital admissions and deaths) are going down. I'm MORE anxious about a return to a full lockdown than the virus in fact.  AT the present time i feel like i'm living again. I make no apolgies for that. 

Good post mate. 

[Ibrahim Tall]

 

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

You would need to see that to say for certain, it can still spread even in the most sanitised of environments as the deaths in the NHS show. 

Tbh given the daily pictures I’ve seen on social media of people drunkenly cuddling randoms in pubs and bar, sticking a Perspex shield on the bar or 2m lines on the pavement outside seem sadly irrelevant.

[SE16 3LN]

4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Pubs have been identified as the most likely place for the virus to spread. 

Who by?

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

"Yeah just been to local sainsbury and got a load of foods.  I get home take the gloves off and carefully take the mask off  from behind the ears... then  i fill my sink with washing up liquid and some bleach then wipe down most of the food packages which are plastic plus tins bottles etc.  Leave them to dry then put them away. Seems to have worked so far for me but it is a bit of a carry on..."

 

 

 

Yes guilty are charged with that posting. Im flattered and in some ways freaked out your recall it.  However it has backfired on you as it evidences how much I've moved on mentally since then.  Yes like most at the beginning of the pandemic was shitting myself,  I was worried i would die, my family would and other loved ones.  Therefore i became very anxious , probably over anxious and read too much online about the certain  " mortality " of the CV.  However through the months I've became more relaxed and educated myself more about the virus and read tons of info online via this , twitter and other forums.  In interpreting this I have made my own risk assessments and now I am far more happier and relaxed about the whole pandemic. I am out and about.  I recently went to Glasgow for a day and night out. Been on buses , indoor and outdoor pubs and enjoyed the relaxed atmosphere and the good times with friends.Something i didn't have cooped up for months..  I was invited to Derry for a weekend but declined that due to being on a plane ( not ready for that yet ) .    LIke i said before the stats ( the important ones ie hospital admissions and deaths) are going down. I'm MORE anxious about a return to a full lockdown than the virus in fact.  

 

 

Glad you're feeling better about it all 👍

 

I felt for you reading your posts before as it was clear you were having a tough time with it all. Hopefully what you were doing made you feel better at the time though and served it purpose. Keep positive and as you say assess your own risk in situations and make  call you're comfortable with personally.

[JudyJudyJudy]

17 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Indeed. So if the 54 infectious people, and their households, are following the stay at home order then why do nearly quarter of a million people need to be treated like infants?
 

In a couple of weeks, once the flare up is down again due to imposed restrictions, the same process will happen again. 
 

Is there a minimum number of infections in a certain geographic area that will trigger implementation of restrictions or is it at the whim of the government? Is there a max number of people in ICU before we get told to spend money like it’s going out of fashion again? Or is it all being made up, at least partly with one eye on the polls?

Good points...

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

 

Glad you're feeling better about it all 👍

 

I felt for you reading your posts before as it was clear you were having a tough time with it all. Hopefully what you were doing made you feel better at the time though and served it purpose. Keep positive and as you say assess your own risk in situations and make  call you're comfortable with personally.

Thank you. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

Good post mate. 

Cheers 

[Victorian]

In my world,   preventing growing infection clusters from becoming wider community transmission across the country = less urgency to disinfect my shopping to full blown OCD levels.

 

Hey.. but I'm just a ****ing loon.   

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Lockdown. Not stricken enough and as you say not quick enough. 
Nightingale hospital. Yes although not used. They had to be available though.

Furlough scheme/Financial assistance. Missed a few people that should have received it. 
Grants. Tax payer will pick that up as they should. 
Easing of lockdown. Spikes piping up all over the place in the NW.

 

PPE bought that was not up to scratch.

Track and Trace and the App, they don’t even have them working yet. 
 

Their biggest failure in all this has been communication. Incoherent mixed messages at every stage has blighted this response right from the start. 
 

 

So you can name one thing then, that's good.

 

The UK Govt are far from perfect and have made mistakes, but they have made some good moves too.  Same with the Scottish Govt.

 

I reckon we'll only be able to judge for sure when we  eventually come out the other side of this.  It's just a shame that "politics" has come back into it.  At the start of this it was refreshing to see politicians put people at the heart of what they were doing rather than party strategy.

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I was talking about other contagions!

Those too 😱😜

[The Internet]

11 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

"Yeah just been to local sainsbury and got a load of foods.  I get home take the gloves off and carefully take the mask off  from behind the ears... then  i fill my sink with washing up liquid and some bleach then wipe down most of the food packages which are plastic plus tins bottles etc.  Leave them to dry then put them away. Seems to have worked so far for me but it is a bit of a carry on..."

 

 

 

Yes guilty are charged with that posting. Im flattered and in some ways freaked out your recall it.  However it has backfired on you as it evidences how much I've moved on mentally since then.  Yes like most at the beginning of the pandemic was shitting myself,  I was worried i would die, my family would and other loved ones.  Therefore i became very anxious , probably over anxious and read too much online about the certain  " mortality " of the CV.  However through the months I've became more relaxed and educated myself more about the virus and read tons of info online via this , twitter and other forums.  In interpreting this I have made my own risk assessments and now I am far more happier and relaxed about the whole pandemic. I am out and about.  I recently went to Glasgow for a day and night out. Been on buses , indoor and outdoor pubs and enjoyed the relaxed atmosphere and the good times with friends.Something i didn't have cooped up for months..  I was invited to Derry for a weekend but declined that due to being on a plane ( not ready for that yet ) .    LIke i said before the stats ( the important ones ie hospital admissions and deaths) are going down. I'm MORE anxious about a return to a full lockdown than the virus in fact.  AT the present time i feel like i'm living again. I make no apolgies for that. 

 

All good and glad you're feeling better about it all 👍 didn't want to call you out for it but I just hate the whole 'pant wetters' chat. It's not helpful. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Yes they did. Prelims were sat at the end of January. 

Or at some schools, in November meaning half at most curriculum was covered. Still, carry on backing up Swinney and his useless cohorts on the shambles they have created. Even then, passing prelim has meant nothing as grades spiralled downwards once SQA got to work. Perhaps if you actually researched topic instead of relying on SNP for responses, you might actually learn something.

[TheOak88]

15 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

You think this sort of thing can continue? There might never be a vaccine. Your life as you know is therefore over. Keep locking down? Keep crippling businesses and people’s livelihoods? This isn’t a pop at you at all mate I just don’t see how this can continue. Lockdown must come to an end imo. We need to go the Swedish route or there will be nothing left. The amount of job losses already is frightening. 

This can’t ever happen imo. This isn’t just going to go away no matter how long you keep shops and restaurants and bars closed. It’s waiting for them to open again and then bang back to square one. It’s crazy to think otherwise imo. 
I can’t get my head around people who just think locking everything down will work. I’m reading so many people already who will refuse a vaccine, then what? It’s keeps spreading and mutating and lockdown after lockdown? 

 

Think we just have to accept this is how life will be for the foreseeable (at least the next 6 - 12 months). 

 

Nicola has adopted a policy of being super cautious, possibly due to the mistakes that were made earlier on in the year. Cannot see her doing a U- turn, especially with elections due next year. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

All good and glad you're feeling better about it all 👍 didn't want to call you out for it but I just hate the whole 'pant wetters' chat. It's not helpful. 

No problems. Your posting just reminded me how far ive moved on so its been helpful ironically  

Edited August 5, 2020 by JamesM48

[SE16 3LN]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

In my world,   preventing growing infection clusters from becoming wider community transmission across the country = less urgency to disinfect my shopping to full blown OCD levels.

 

Hey.. but I'm just a ****ing loon.   

That's pretty low bullying behaviour.

[Victorian]

Let's just lambast the efforts of the government to suppress any concerning outbreaks.   "Sickening".    Let's jump up and down until we see the coffins.

 

In other news... let's hand over our bank cards and pin numbers to muggers and not bother about it until we see our bank balances going down.   

[Jambo 4 Ever]

6 minutes ago, Victorian said:

In my world,   preventing growing infection clusters from becoming wider community transmission across the country = less urgency to disinfect my shopping to full blown OCD levels.

 

Hey.. but I'm just a ****ing loon.   

Not very wise of you 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

That's pretty low bullying behaviour.

I just ignored it. 

[Governor Tarkin]

19 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

I’d  still like to know why the self-quarantine and contact tracing measures aren’t being applied and are deemed insufficient. 

 

Self-quarantine and contact tracing measures don't reinforce the message that Nicola is in charge and once she's finished crying at the pictures from the weekend she won't hesitate to lock us all the **** back down if we don't do what we're told.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

That's pretty low bullying behaviour.

 

Away to ****.

[Ray Gin]

9 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I agree to an extent, but that’s akin to banning computers because of computer viruses. Anecdotal evidence suggests most bars and restaurants doing well, keeping folk in work and allowing people to live their lives again. 
 

Just because some daft bint clicks on a dodgy email doesn’t mean you should have your laptop taken away. 

 

Do people die or get left with long term health problems from computer viruses?

 

[TheOak88]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I could almost accept that if it weren’t for the fact that it will subsequently used as a precedent for any future situations broadly similar in nature. 
 

It has become quite clear that, for the political powers here at least, being seen and heard daily by as many people as possible is now a welcome part of their job. The feeling of power they now have is seductive, as can be seen throughout history. Controlling, rather than bettering, people’s lives is now their goal.

 

Pretty much anyone who wants to a leader of a political party is by definition going to have a bit of an ego on them. That’s nothing new really. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

40 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Zero death rate was achieved by imposing draconian measures on people’s ability to live, work and socialise. We could keep a zero death rate on the roads by banning all cars, bikes and lorries. 
 

It’s simply unrealistic to expect a virus not to transmit once people have contact again. 
 

The Scottish Government appears to be very concerned that it is losing its “telt ye so” status over London, and so has gone overboard. 

Great posting. 

[Ray Gin]

 

28 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

You would need to see that to say for certain, it can still spread even in the most sanitised of environments as the deaths in the NHS show. 

 

I did see it. 

 

 

[jack D and coke]

8 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

 

Think we just have to accept this is how life will be for the foreseeable (at least the next 6 - 12 months). 

 

Nicola has adopted a policy of being super cautious, possibly due to the mistakes that were made earlier on in the year. Cannot see her doing a U- turn, especially with elections due next year. 

Mate I’m almost amused at people putting time scales on this. How many businesses can cope with another 6-12 months of this? 
Im genuinely concerned about the state of the country. This isn’t going away in 6 or 12 months. 
A vaccine is almost pointless imo for the amount of people who will refuse it. 
I had a guy tell me he’d watched something the other night that had brought it all home to him apparently. He’s normally not one for these posts so I asked what it was thinking maybe I’d be surprised. I wasn’t surprised at all. It was all the same garbage I’ve read a hundred times already. Minutes in and Bill Gates etc were getting mentioned as well as things like mercury in vaccines and fluoride in the water supply. Soros and the Rockefellers etc and it just kept coming. Millions of people are down these rabbit holes that aren’t coming back out of them. 
The world is messed because of social media. Absolutely and utterly messed. 

[GinRummy]

Some pubs aren’t adhering to the rules. I’ve been in two pubs since lockdown and one was table service and wear masks when not seated with one metre distancing. The other was bar service in a small bar area with people standing shoulder to shoulder and chatting and lots of folk walking in and out from the beer garden, going over to other folks tables for a chat. Spoke to workmates and they’ve been in pubs that are open as normal with no regard for coronavirus.

[The Internet]

2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Mate I’m almost amused at people putting time scales on this. How many businesses can cope with another 6-12 months of this? 
Im genuinely concerned about the state of the country. This isn’t going away in 6 or 12 months. 
A vaccine is almost pointless imo for the amount of people who will refuse it. 
I had a guy tell me he’d watched something the other night that had brought it all home to him apparently. He’s normally not one for these posts so I asked what it was thinking maybe I’d be surprised. I wasn’t surprised at all. It was all the same garbage I’ve read a hundred times already. Minutes in and Bill Gates etc were getting mentioned as well as things like mercury in vaccines and fluoride in the water supply. Soros and the Rockefellers etc and it just kept coming. Millions of people are down these rabbit holes that aren’t coming back out of them. 
The world is messed because of social media. Absolutely and utterly messed. 

 

Agree with pretty much all of this particularly the last two lines. But I think you'd be surprised by the amount of folk who claim to believe all the anti vac stuff who will actually jump at the vaccine as soon as its available. They're all talk. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Mate I’m almost amused at people putting time scales on this. How many businesses can cope with another 6-12 months of this? 
Im genuinely concerned about the state of the country. This isn’t going away in 6 or 12 months. 
A vaccine is almost pointless imo for the amount of people who will refuse it. 
I had a guy tell me he’d watched something the other night that had brought it all home to him apparently. He’s normally not one for these posts so I asked what it was thinking maybe I’d be surprised. I wasn’t surprised at all. It was all the same garbage I’ve read a hundred times already. Minutes in and Bill Gates etc were getting mentioned as well as things like mercury in vaccines and fluoride in the water supply. Soros and the Rockefellers etc and it just kept coming. Millions of people are down these rabbit holes that aren’t coming back out of them. 
The world is messed because of social media. Absolutely and utterly messed. 

In a nutshell.  Nothing is going to change for a long time. Forget about a vaccine for it.  Drug treatments are the way forward for those critically ill in hospital.  Although things wont change we can change our attitude towards it.  

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

In a nutshell.  Nothing is going to change for a long time. Forget about a vaccine for it.  Drug treatments are the way forward for those critically ill in hospital.  Although things wont change we can change our attitude towards it.  

 

Changing our attitude towards it results in rising cases and going back into lockdown.

[Victorian]

The most galling thing about having to read the unadulterated ignorance being shown here is the unthinkable prospect of the whole country having to undergo another full lockdown or something similar,   due to concerning outbreaks not being dealt with by the government.     It's expressly because everyone wants to retain the freedoms we've been given back that these measures are so vital.    The attitudes being displayed here is the thing that's sickening.     These attitudes profoundly endanger what we do have and what we are able to do.    To have sensible caution and understanding thrown back in your face is quite difficult to stomach.

 

Yes we do have to get on with our lives.   We have to live with the presence of the virus.   But we can do that if we accept that our governments need to suppress troubling outbreaks.    If transmission is fully accepted and allowed to go unchecked then we wont have our current freedoms.    A few people on here reallg need to give themselves a shake.     It's a disgusting type of ignorance that can end up punishing everyone.

[Montgomery Brewster]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

The most galling thing about having to read the unadulterated ignorance being shown here is the unthinkable prospect of the whole country having to undergo another full lockdown or something similar,   due to concerning outbreaks not being dealt with by the government.     It's expressly because everyone wants to retain the freedoms we've been given back that these measures are so vital.    The attitudes being displayed here is the thing that's sickening.     These attitudes profoundly endanger what we do have and what we are able to do.    To have sensible caution and understanding thrown back in your face is quite difficult to stomach.

 

Yes we do have to get on with our lives.   We have to live with the presence of the virus.   But we can do that if we accept that our governments need to suppress troubling outbreaks.    If transmission is fully accepted and allowed to go unchecked then we wont have our current freedoms.    A few people on here reallg need to give themselves a shake.     It's a disgusting type of ignorance that can end up punishing everyone.

Well said 👍🏻

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Changing our attitude towards it results in rising cases and going back into lockdown.

I mean assessing our own risks and making decisions regarding this. Yes I mean wearing face masks , social distancing etc but going out and about and enjoying oneself instead of being obsessive about it.  I dont mean being reckless or irresponsible. 

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

I mean assessing our own risks and making decisions regarding this. Yes I mean wearing face masks , social distancing etc but going out and about and enjoying oneself instead of being obsessive about it.  I dont mean being reckless or irresponsible. 

 

So doing what we're already meant to be doing then?

 

[Pasquale for King]

27 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

 

I did see it. 

 

 

That’s not the pub that it started in, generalising doesn’t help. I’ve been in a couple of pubs here and some are doing everything they can, some are not unfortunately. 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

 

So doing what we're already meant to be doing then?

 

 

He's all over the shop.    

[Ray Gin]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The most galling thing about having to read the unadulterated ignorance being shown here is the unthinkable prospect of the whole country having to undergo another full lockdown or something similar,   due to concerning outbreaks not being dealt with by the government.     It's expressly because everyone wants to retain the freedoms we've been given back that these measures are so vital.    The attitudes being displayed here is the thing that's sickening.     These attitudes profoundly endanger what we do have and what we are able to do.    To have sensible caution and understanding thrown back in your face is quite difficult to stomach.

 

Yes we do have to get on with our lives.   We have to live with the presence of the virus.   But we can do that if we accept that our governments need to suppress troubling outbreaks.    If transmission is fully accepted and allowed to go unchecked then we wont have our current freedoms.    A few people on here reallg need to give themselves a shake.     It's a disgusting type of ignorance that can end up punishing everyone.

 

Great posting.