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Pasquale for King
4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I don't think that there have been any reported Covid-related deaths in China for some time now, and there weren't over that 7-day period.

I heard that last night on CNN, it’s if you believe it or not but I’m sure there’s enough foreign journalists in Beijing to tell us if it’s true.

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33 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Who are the 41% who don’t!  I’ve always had more of a Conservative leaning on here than most but surely to goodness people can’t actually want him to stay.  Every single person I know who has mentioned this feels the same.  

Totally, as they said on the news, Cummings'  main gift is being able to judge public opinion. Not this time.

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3 hours ago, jake said:

They were created by Nationalist Socialists.

 

As we all know, Jam Tarts supporters are actual biscuits and jam, it's right in the name. Much like buffalo wings come from buffaloes, Irn Bru is literally made from iron girders, and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a Democracy.

 

Mate.

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18 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


The article I read explained this morning explaining that since Scotland has devolved parliament it has benefited from the ‘halo effect’. This is where they are perceived to be better than others who take the same actions. There was a lot of evidence to back this up and lots of reasons why it occurs.

 

It does not mean I’m slagging NS or even criticising the SG before certain people her knicker in a twist. Just pointing out that the benefit if often perceived to be greater for the SG by Scots. I think this is one of those times. The U.K. govt and SG have largely followed the same policy and most certainly have had the same failings. Clarity of message is important but fundamentally the same failings have occurred.

 

You ask England the same question, the same halo effect occurs, some call it English arrogance 😂. Granted the approval will never be as high on English level but same halo effect occurs.


I will not give involved in any Indy or even political debate, I have no interest in it. I’m merely commenting on psychological aspect.👍

 

I'd somewhat agree with that. However, I think the main difference is that Sturgeon can speak and be understood.

Johnson looks like he's just emerged from a 20 year coma.

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18 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


The article I read explained this morning explaining that since Scotland has devolved parliament it has benefited from the ‘halo effect’. This is where they are perceived to be better than others who take the same actions. There was a lot of evidence to back this up and lots of reasons why it occurs.

 

It does not mean I’m slagging NS or even criticising the SG before certain people her knicker in a twist. Just pointing out that the benefit if often perceived to be greater for the SG by Scots. I think this is one of those times. The U.K. govt and SG have largely followed the same policy and most certainly have had the same failings. Clarity of message is important but fundamentally the same failings have occurred.

 

You ask England the same question, the same halo effect occurs, some call it English arrogance 😂. Granted the approval will never be as high on English level but same halo effect occurs.


I will not give involved in any Indy or even political debate, I have no interest in it. I’m merely commenting on psychological aspect.👍

 

I'd somewhat agree with that. However, I think the main difference is that Sturgeon can speak and be understood.

Johnson looks like he's just emerged from a 20 year coma.

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6 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

I'd somewhat agree with that. However, I think the main difference is that Sturgeon can speak and be understood.

Johnson looks like he's just emerged from a 20 year coma.

20 year coma.

That’s being generous.

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3 hours ago, annushorribilis III said:

As remarked upon by a couple of legal people I follow on twitter : the story doesn't work because it's written to cover the now known facts. 

 

What comes out of this is that Cummings isn't accountable to anyone except BJ because he didn't inform a single member of the govt about his trip at the time this farce started.

 

Add in the fact that the govts MOST senior adviser was not able to organise childcare in London.  That's some pretty poor planning and stretching credulity to its limits. Meantime him and his missus write articles about their Covid experience that bear no relation to the reality (or their  location) and then to stretch credulity even further he takes his wife on a birthday trip to a local beauty spot*-  that is a 90 minutes round trip-  to see if he's fit to drive back to London (his wife can drive). 

 

*this is when the police are using drones to monitor car parks in the Peak District (it was on the national news) and telling people to stay away but now Gove lies through his teeth to say it was OK because Dom was going for exercise and it was allowable to drive for exercise at the time. 

Only problem is that he didn't take any exercise at Barnard Castle because he got out of the car and sat by a river for 15 mins because he felt sick, according to Cummings himself. On the return trip he did stop the car because his son needed the toilet so his wife took him, and then Cummings got out the car to play in the woods - which could've been exercise I guess - but this was unplanned...

 

It's amazing their noses aren't stretching 260 miles by now...

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3 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Only problem is that he didn't take any exercise at Barnard Castle because he got out of the car and sat by a river for 15 mins because he felt sick, according to Cummings himself. On the return trip he did stop the car because his son needed the toilet so his wife took him, and then Cummings got out the car to play in the woods - which could've been exercise I guess - but this was unplanned...

 

It's amazing their noses aren't stretching 260 miles by now...

Literally unbleievable that a number of cabinet ministers are now lining up and falling over themselves to defend a SPAD.

Never seen anything like it.

Gove embarassing himself to protect this guy, Johnson too.

cummings must be a genius

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Weakened Offender
3 hours ago, jake said:

I'd say it was embarrassing comparing Westminster to Nazis wouldn't you?

 

Give them time. 😉

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48 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


The article I read explained this morning explaining that since Scotland has devolved parliament it has benefited from the ‘halo effect’. This is where they are perceived to be better than others who take the same actions. There was a lot of evidence to back this up and lots of reasons why it occurs.

 

It does not mean I’m slagging NS or even criticising the SG before certain people her knicker in a twist. Just pointing out that the benefit if often perceived to be greater for the SG by Scots. I think this is one of those times. The U.K. govt and SG have largely followed the same policy and most certainly have had the same failings. Clarity of message is important but fundamentally the same failings have occurred.

 

You ask England the same question, the same halo effect occurs, some call it English arrogance 😂. Granted the approval will never be as high on English level but same halo effect occurs.


I will not give involved in any Indy or even political debate, I have no interest in it. I’m merely commenting on psychological aspect.👍

 

Have you got a link for what you were reading? Was it in a right wing leaning publication by any chance?

don’t think English arrogance is a debate anyone would have as it’s clear as day.

Sturgeon has been there 5 or 6 times a week telling us the facts and what’s happening, BJ has appeared about 12 times all told in 70 days and lied his way through everything as usual.

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1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'm just going to put this out there with no comment.

 

IPSOS/MORI May 2020.

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It's not a competition, bud.

 

 

Yes, I may throw a pro independence post in, here and there, but it's usually to highlight a troll. If that makes me look bad, u don't care. Political point scoring on deaths is horrendous.

 

Cummings is fair game, and Boris' is a tool to back him on this. But I'm not gonnae have a go at him, as it must take you to hell being at the front of this crisis. The FM showed some real leadership this week, by not using it to crow.

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1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

So the SG has been following the same advice and requirements as WM and had the same problems with ppe - testing and care homes and only difference is they have delayed lockdown 2 weeks longer but 78-82% think they have done well - did they poll nawtional readers 

Yes, all three of them....

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11 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Have you got a link for what you were reading? Was it in a right wing leaning publication by any chance?

don’t think English arrogance is a debate anyone would have as it’s clear as day.

Sturgeon has been there 5 or 6 times a week telling us the facts and what’s happening, BJ has appeared about 12 times all told in 70 days and lied his way through everything as usual.

 

Scottish Government has delivered the Stay at Home message very well. And cautious relaxation of lockdown is more in tune with public.

 

But Nicola Sturgeon still hasn't answered questions about the timing of lockdown, herd immunity and why there have been so many deaths at care homes.

 

The same 'we always did the right thing at the right time' message is consistent with the UK Government. 

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41 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

20 year coma.

That’s being generous.

Watching these people squirm while they can't even get their lies to match, has put me in a generous mood. :lol:

How Cummings and his wife were unable to get their story straight, and she's been on radio 4 and online blabbing to everyone,bis beyond me. They should have asked their 4 year old child to do it.

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5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

This is the sort of thing that gets you

 

 

This should be the final push to get him out, but its not really gathering any momentum in the media/

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12 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

This is the sort of thing that gets you

 

 

 

The 14th of April was his first day back at work after his jaunt up North. So the most influential adviser in the government, on his first day at work for over a fortnight, in the midst of the worst pandemic in over a century, thought it was good use of his time to doctor his blog to make himself look better.

I'd say it's unbelievable, but unfortunately it's all too predictable.

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Opposition leaders to meet tomorrow to discuss next steps about holding Boris Johnson to account for Dominic Cummings

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20 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Scottish Government has delivered the Stay at Home message very well. And cautious relaxation of lockdown is more in tune with public.

 

But Nicola Sturgeon still hasn't answered questions about the timing of lockdown, herd immunity and why there have been so many deaths at care homes.

 

The same 'we always did the right thing at the right time' message is consistent with the UK Government. 

 

But if that's true then why do you think they should have done things differently?

 

You should also have added the words "given what we knew at the time"

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35 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Scottish Government has delivered the Stay at Home message very well. And cautious relaxation of lockdown is more in tune with public.

 

But Nicola Sturgeon still hasn't answered questions about the timing of lockdown, herd immunity and why there have been so many deaths at care homes.

 

The same 'we always did the right thing at the right time' message is consistent with the UK Government. 

I'm going to start calling Sturgeon teflon. Never seen a politician that shit doesn't stick to quite like her. She gets such an easy time fron the press and her supporters cheer her on like shes a football team. 

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11 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

But if that's true then why do you think they should have done things differently?

 

You should also have added the words "given what we knew at the time"

 

Well we'll find out when there is an Inquiry.

 

Big questions are around the general approach with the concern the plans to tackle the virus was it was treated like was influenza rather than a more infectious, more dangerous virus. 

 

Why testing wasn't a priority. Government abandoned the test and track approach. A general a lack of urgency. Until scientists projected 500,000 deaths. 

 

Its actually quite easy to look at other countries, some with less resources eg in Africa who acted more urgently and have a small number of deaths. 

 

Care home deaths remain a question too. Here a single focus of protecting the NHS is your starting point. 

 

These questions apply equally in Scotland. 

 

The curious thing is Nicola Sturgeon has talked the last 2 days as if they didn't know much about the virus in early March. 

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12 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

I'm going to start calling Sturgeon teflon. Never seen a politician that shit doesn't stick to quite like her. She gets such an easy time fron the press and her supporters cheer her on like shes a football team. 

Makes a good fry.

 

 

 

Nothing about Cummings behaviour or the UK government hypocrisy, or Jackson Carlaw saying it is the PM's call, but Calderwood wasn't the call of the FM.

Na, didn't think sae.

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27 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

But if that's true then why do you think they should have done things differently?

 

You should also have added the words "given what we knew at the time"

She works with the UK government she's wrong, if she went her own way, she's wrong. 

They know they've taken the wrong advice regarding Care homes, but they sure as hell won't let it happen again.

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1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

Makes a good fry.

 

 

 

Nothing about Cummings behaviour or the UK government hypocrisy, or Jackson Carlaw saying it is the PM's call, but Calderwood wasn't the call of the FM.

Na, didn't think sae.

Haha knew before I finished posting that you would reply. 

 

Have the SNP sacked that deviant McKay yet?

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49 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Scottish Government has delivered the Stay at Home message very well. And cautious relaxation of lockdown is more in tune with public.

 

But Nicola Sturgeon still hasn't answered questions about the timing of lockdown, herd immunity and why there have been so many deaths at care homes.

 

The same 'we always did the right thing at the right time' message is consistent with the UK Government. 

I’m not sure if they could’ve locked down quicker, can we close the border for instance.
The care homes is a mistake no doubt, my wife works for East Lothian council and doesn’t understand why they did it. But at least they counted the deaths in them from the start, unlike Westminster. 

Why we didn’t do what other successful countries have, if they could, is something they will be rightly criticised for. The majority of the UK believe Sturgeon has done a better job than BJ, and there’s still a long way to go.

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Spellczech
22 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

I'm going to start calling Sturgeon teflon. Never seen a politician that shit doesn't stick to quite like her. She gets such an easy time fron the press and her supporters cheer her on like shes a football team. 

I find her to be reasonably honest as far as politicians go. When criticised and cornered she tends to be quite contrite, unlike people like Boris or Gove...She will occasionally skirt round answering a question but generally will do so whilst saying she doesn't have enough info to answer it at that time, whereas other politicians will bluster or talk about something totally different. I don't agree with her aim of Independence but I think as far as politicians go she is one of the best around...

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26 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

I'm going to start calling Sturgeon teflon. Never seen a politician that shit doesn't stick to quite like her. She gets such an easy time fron the press and her supporters cheer her on like shes a football team. 

 

:gok:

 

You may wish to take a moment of quiet self-reflection, and think about whether the problem is really everybody else.

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The Real Maroonblood
4 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

:gok:

 

You may wish to take a moment of quiet self-reflection, and think about whether the problem is really everybody else.

:lol:

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6 minutes ago, graygo said:

What's the point of starting a trial of Remdisiver 6 weeks after the USA?

 

Serious question.

Right on cue!

 

 

Some NHS patients with severe coronavirus symptoms will be treated with an Ebola drug after trials proved it led to a quicker recovery.

The antiviral medicine remdesivir was developed for Ebola, but initial trials on COVID-19 patients showed it reduced the length of time they experienced symptoms from 15 days to 11.

It will now be prescribed for some adults and teenagers suffering serious coronavirus symptoms in NHS hospitals, having been given the green light as part of the the Early Access to Medicines Scheme.

The scheme, launched by the UK government in 2014, tries to make certain drugs available for the seriously ill before they have market authorisation.

The Department for Health and Social Care worked with pharmaceutical company Gilead Sciences, the NHS, and the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency to clear remdesivir for use in the UK, a government spokesman said.

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8 minutes ago, graygo said:

What's the point of starting a trial of Remdisiver 6 weeks after the USA?

 

Serious question.

 

It's beyond that point.    It's been approved for use.

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vegas-voss
27 minutes ago, graygo said:

Bojo ducking out the briefing again.

He done two in a row guy must be shattered 😂

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vegas-voss
10 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Peston's shite question totally pied with no follow-up.

 

:jjyay:

He was like a bad actor yesterday asked a question had like a really bad fake ponder then asked something else.How the feck is he ITVs main man.

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John Gentleman
1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Scottish Government has delivered the Stay at Home message very well. And cautious relaxation of lockdown is more in tune with public.

 

But Nicola Sturgeon still hasn't answered questions about the timing of lockdown, herd immunity and why there have been so many deaths at care homes.

 

The same 'we always did the right thing at the right time' message is consistent with the UK Government. 

Since we haven't got a vaccine (or even a treatment) herd immunity would only be achieved if we let it rip. This would require 70–90% of the population

to have been infected and remain alive. The cost would be millions more dead. Then you have to cross your fingers that the virus doesn't mutate, in which case bye bye to the herd immunity. You'll be back to square one.

The lockdown, testing and containment approach is, all up, an excercise in mitigation. The cost here is a plunge in economic activity and all the horrors that unemployment/underemployment brings, but at least it provides a window to develop treatments, vaccines and limit mortality. Sloppiness on the part of the UK government is the reason things got so bad. They were simply too slow off the blocks in taking effective containment action.

The deaths in care homes is simply down to these places housing high density, high-risk people – mainly the elderly with co-morbidities. It's been the same here in Oz, even though the death rate is 'only' 4/per million of the population. 

In the end, whichever path a government chooses comes down to which way their moral compasses point, I guess. 

 

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2 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

He was like a bad actor yesterday asked a question had like a really bad fake ponder then asked something else.How the feck is he ITVs main man.

 

I think he tries to put on the demeanor of someone wrestling with a highly complex thought process.   Processing some unknown abstract construct.

 

But ends up looking like a right *****.

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Is downloading Track & Trace going to be mandatory? If the only "benefit" of it is that you might get told to self-isolate again then why would you? Would people not rather just wait for symptoms this time round?  Could you find yourself being self-isolated just for being in a supermarket carpark with someone who developed Covid perhaps? People will self-isolate if everyone is doing it, but if it is "targeted" and just someone on minimum wage with 2 hrs training telling you to lockdown, then surely people will just decide they'd rather go under that radar?

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vegas-voss
2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

I think he tries to put on the demeanor of someone wrestling with a highly complex thought process.   Processing some unknown abstract construct.

 

But ends up looking like a right *****.

Aye right **** was the impression I got

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Just now, Spellczech said:

Is downloading Track & Trace going to be mandatory? If the only "benefit" of it is that you might get told to self-isolate again then why would you? Would people not rather just wait for symptoms this time round?  Could you find yourself being self-isolated just for being in a supermarket carpark with someone who developed Covid perhaps? People will self-isolate if everyone is doing it, but if it is "targeted" and just someone on minimum wage with 2 hrs training telling you to lockdown, then surely people will just decide they'd rather go under that radar?

 

It's looking more and more likely that any app that does eventually appear will only perform a minor role.    It's never going to be central to the system.

 

At the moment,   it does not appear that non-compliance to the isolate instruction (digital or traditional methods) will constitute any kind of offence.

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2 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Is downloading Track & Trace going to be mandatory? If the only "benefit" of it is that you might get told to self-isolate again then why would you? Would people not rather just wait for symptoms this time round?  Could you find yourself being self-isolated just for being in a supermarket carpark with someone who developed Covid perhaps? People will self-isolate if everyone is doing it, but if it is "targeted" and just someone on minimum wage with 2 hrs training telling you to lockdown, then surely people will just decide they'd rather go under that radar?

It seems pretty effective in South Korea and Germany feck knows how it will really work here.Its not exactly something they have really told us about in great length.Think information I got was from news articles 

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23 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

Right on cue!

 

 

Some NHS patients with severe coronavirus symptoms will be treated with an Ebola drug after trials proved it led to a quicker recovery.

The antiviral medicine remdesivir was developed for Ebola, but initial trials on COVID-19 patients showed it reduced the length of time they experienced symptoms from 15 days to 11.

It will now be prescribed for some adults and teenagers suffering serious coronavirus symptoms in NHS hospitals, having been given the green light as part of the the Early Access to Medicines Scheme.

The scheme, launched by the UK government in 2014, tries to make certain drugs available for the seriously ill before they have market authorisation.

The Department for Health and Social Care worked with pharmaceutical company Gilead Sciences, the NHS, and the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency to clear remdesivir for use in the UK, a government spokesman said.

 

22 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

It's beyond that point.    It's been approved for use.

 

Thanks, I was more meaning why are we 6 (sorry, it's 3 weeks) behind the USA in deciding that it could be effective.

 

I'm talking from the viewpoint that there is supposed to be a global approach to this.

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Just now, graygo said:

 

 

Thanks, I was more meaning why are we 6 (sorry, it's 3 weeks) behind the USA in deciding that it could be effective.

 

I'm talking from the viewpoint that there is supposed to be a global approach to this.

 

Not sure but it's in very limited supply.    I don't think there's any UK manufacture for it.

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6 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Is downloading Track & Trace going to be mandatory? If the only "benefit" of it is that you might get told to self-isolate again then why would you? Would people not rather just wait for symptoms this time round?  Could you find yourself being self-isolated just for being in a supermarket carpark with someone who developed Covid perhaps? People will self-isolate if everyone is doing it, but if it is "targeted" and just someone on minimum wage with 2 hrs training telling you to lockdown, then surely people will just decide they'd rather go under that radar?

 

Only if you were within 2m for 15 minutes and I'm sorry but if you fall into that category then you shouldn't be allowed out the house ever.

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1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

 

Thanks, I was more meaning why are we 6 (sorry, it's 3 weeks) behind the USA in deciding that it could be effective.

 

I'm talking from the viewpoint that there is supposed to be a global approach to this.


I believe we have a protocol to follow when authorising drugs for use in the UK (EU) That’s where the delay may lie. 

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11 minutes ago, John Gentleman said:

Sloppiness on the part of the UK government is the reason things got so bad. They were simply too slow off the blocks in taking effective containment action.

 

And I can see there isn't too much point in asking about that now.

 

The Times asked Nicola Sturgeon questions around that yesterday. Didn't  bother today after she didn't answer.

 

It will be clear and obvious afterwards. Sturgeon can hide behind the UK approach. Because it was a UK wide approach. 

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