Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[The Roller]

Just now, jumpship said:

Looking after her staff as the media go in for the kill... I'd do the same.. 

 

Correct.

 

Brilliant management of a dire situation.

[DETTY29]

2 minutes ago, Barack said:

Stiff drink for Sturgeon, after that press conference.

 

I can see her logic for not accepting the CMO's resignation, but I don't agree with it. 

Philip Sim from BBC Scotland has called it imo

 

'The CMO is too big to fail, for now'

Edited April 5, 2020 by DETTY29

[redjambo]

5 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

thanks i thought i was going nuts, thinking who or what is greenwood

 

Me too. I had to actually watch a re-run of the press conference to try to figure out who or what this Greenwood was.

[milky_26]

1 minute ago, Jeff said:

 

Twice? Nah

add to this her IIRC being involved in letting prince charles to get tested after he travelled to scotland even after showing symptoms and those symptoms only being mild, while nhs staff could not get tested while self isolating.

 

these things show a significant lack of judgement or possibly even understanding of the situation of how it would look to the public who are trying to follow the rules. it could lead to people ignoring the guidance and going out

[redjambo]

8 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Remember she's a Gynaecologist with no specific virology or epidemiology experience. She's eminently expendable .

 

You don't need specialist knowledge in any specific area to be the CMO. You just need to be able to synthesise advice from the experts into advice and action. Oh, and follow your own guidelines too...

[AlphonseCapone]

8 minutes ago, The Roller said:

 

 

 

Her name is Calderwood.

 

Thanks, was doing my head in. 

 

5 minutes ago, jambogaza said:

She shouldn't resign or be sacked. It was a mistake, move on.

 

A mistake? Two weekends in a row? 

 

5 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Re the two visits I wonder if the press knew about both but only released once as part of a trap?

 

Not sticking up for her and I think she shoukld have gone but its how these two faced feckers work.

 

Why are folk trying to put part of the blame on the press or the folk that took the pictures? Only one person made the decision two weekends in a row to go and that's Catherine Calderwood, she's the only one to blame here. 

[DETTY29]

The cops arent handing out fines willy nilly to individuals , families.

 

Just to folk who refuse to do what they are told when the cops go out to them and ask them to comply.

Edited April 5, 2020 by DETTY29

[The Internet]

1 minute ago, milky_26 said:

add to this her IIRC being involved in letting prince charles to get tested after he travelled to scotland even after showing symptoms and those symptoms only being mild, while nhs staff could not get tested while self isolating.

 

these things show a significant lack of judgement or possibly even understanding of the situation of how it would look to the public who are trying to follow the rules. it could lead to people ignoring the guidance and going out

 

Tbh, if it does then that's on the people. At some point the general public need to take responsibility and think for themselves. 

[DETTY29]

2 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Thanks, was doing my head in. 

 

 

A mistake? Two weekends in a row? 

 

 

Why are folk trying to put part of the blame on the press or the folk that took the pictures? Only one person made the decision two weekends in a row to go and that's Catherine Calderwood, she's the only one to blame here. 

Absolutely it was her decision.

 

 

[Tazio]

24 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Your back wheels do seize up.

Only if you leave the handbrake on. If you’re parking a car for a long time leave it in Top gear with the handbrake off. 

[jumpship]

1 minute ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Thanks, was doing my head in. 

 

 

A mistake? Two weekends in a row? 

 

 

Why are folk trying to put part of the blame on the press or the folk that took the pictures? Only one person made the decision two weekends in a row to go and that's Catherine Calderwood, she's the only one to blame here. 

And f-me she is getting to tight. To stand up there have have the same questions thrown at her, questioning her Ability and integrity.. basically wanting her sacked... she stood and took it... 

 

When was the last time you seen that happen? 

[Beni]

I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on this, but she did it 2 weekends in a row. While some people are cooped up in a high rise flats, she lives in the leafy suburbs, but still thinks she can swan off to her second home. As lockdown continues frustration is going to rise, and this joker will be telling people to stay at home.

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Tazio said:

Only if you leave the handbrake on. If you’re parking a car for a long time leave it in Top gear with the handbrake off. 

👍

[Jambof3tornado]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Still not as bad as the UK cabinet, standing together at the speakers chair having a chin wag and patting each other on the shoulder. But hey, a specialist who knows what they're doing. Get the pitchfork.

 

 

How did the sun get the pictures or know where she was? Did they follow her? No-one saying anything about that. 

 

Anyway, mountain and molehill, and if the sun wants to cause trouble, that's up to them.

Oh come on. Forget politics for a minute, the cmo has made a total arse of herself and ultimately of sturgeon(no fan but was impressed how she threw the cmo in front of the press today).

 

How the sun got pictures isnt in any way relevant in the slightest. The cmo has an ever increasing public profile. How can she tell people not to go to loved ones funerals etc when she thinks its ok to drive to fife for an overnight stop!?!?

 

Its not a mountain out of a molehill, she has let the NHS down badly by setting the wrong kind of example.

 

She needs punted for doing so.

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

CMO has made a massive error of judgement, however, I’m in the minority I wouldn’t sack her/move her on. 

 

From a practical sense, I doubt there is little upside of switching such an important person in the midst of a crisis. Whilst, from a legal standpoint I doubt what she has done are grounds for dismissal. 
 

She has made a horrendous error in judgement and one I struggle to understand. However, she employed for her medical expertise/knowledge and isn’t a politician. 
 

I just find myself struggling to see benefit of her being emptied. Her being sacked is about punishment, it does nothing to improve  the current situation, probably the opposite. 
 

 

 

Basically, this. 

[AlphonseCapone]

2 minutes ago, jumpship said:

And f-me she is getting to tight. To stand up there have have the same questions thrown at her, questioning her Ability and integrity.. basically wanting her sacked... she stood and took it... 

 

When was the last time you seen that happen? 

 

Probably never. But then we've never been in such circumstances. We need real leadership and she's failed at that massively. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

6 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

You don't need specialist knowledge in any specific area to be the CMO. You just need to be able to synthesise advice from the experts into advice and action. Oh, and follow your own guidelines too...

 

My response was to a poster saying we need these Brains at the moment but for me her skill set is bringing nothing to the table. She might be CMO but Sturgeon should have an expert in the field up there with her at her little press conferences. 

[ri Alban]

Just now, Jambof3tornado said:

Oh come on. Forget politics for a minute, the cmo has made a total arse of herself and ultimately of sturgeon(no fan but was impressed how she threw the cmo in front of the press today).

 

How the sun got pictures isnt in any way relevant in the slightest. The cmo has an ever increasing public profile. How can she tell people not to go to loved ones funerals etc when she thinks its ok to drive to fife for an overnight stop!?!?

 

Its not a mountain out of a molehill, she has let the NHS down badly by setting the wrong kind of example.

 

She needs punted for doing so.

Keep reading.

 

It's all politics, the SNP only makes UK national news when they feck things up. 

[manaliveits105]

1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

My response was to a poster saying we need these Brains at the moment but for me her skill set is bringing nothing to the table. She might be CMO but Sturgeon should have an expert in the field up there with her at her little press conferences. 

[jumpship]

Just now, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Probably never. But then we've never been in such circumstances. We need real leadership and she's failed at that massively. 

I think she should have stepped aside straight away. Hanging on is only going to make it worse. Doesn't matter how good a job she has done. 

[ri Alban]

2 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

My response was to a poster saying we need these Brains at the moment but for me her skill set is bringing nothing to the table. She might be CMO but Sturgeon should have an expert in the field up there with her at her *little press conferences. 

This just shows you up.

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

My response was to a poster saying we need these Brains at the moment but for me her skill set is bringing nothing to the table. She might be CMO but Sturgeon should have an expert in the field up there with her at her little press conferences. 

 

That's a fair point, Seymour, but you would most likely need to have a virologist who was knowledgeable about the bigger picture too because all the questions to the CMO aren't about the virus itself but also about the NHS's handling of it. Perhaps the CMO plus a leading virologist at the conferences, or would that be too much?

[East Lothian Jambo]

Clearly the nationalist leaning choice over Pennington 

 

Eminent Epidemiologist versus ***** Doctor 

[CJGJ]

It's clear to see as usual people in trying times simply look for others to blame

 

The media, press latch on and then all we hear after this is the blame game...many on here seem to be following the same bitter path

 

This nonsense about people having to be perfect is just not possible in the real world and the stench of hypocrisy on here reeks

 

Mistake yes....but not the worst we have seen and it's great to read from all the posters who have lived such true and faithful lives pre and during the current virus situation....I hope it has helped their mental well being to get rid of the frustrations they are finding hard to cope with

 

The focus should be on equipment and clothing for all front line staff, it should be on testing and what can we do to improve this position we can find ourselves in....there should be complaints about the action or inaction we have seen so far, 

 

You just have to read some of the posts to see that many on here have already 'broken' the rules but of course not will be the cry..yeah right

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

That's a fair point, Seymour, but you would most likely need to have a virologist who was knowledgeable about the bigger picture too because all the questions to the CMO aren't about the virus itself but also about the NHS's handling of it. Perhaps the CMO plus a leading virologist at the conferences, or would that be too much?

 

Well we have a world leading epidemiologist in the country but Sturgeon seems determined to ignore him. 

[Nobreath]

10 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

CMO has made a massive error of judgement, however, I’m in the minority I wouldn’t sack her/move her on. 

 

From a practical sense, I doubt there is little upside of switching such an important person in the midst of a crisis. Whilst, from a legal standpoint I doubt what she has done are grounds for dismissal. 
 

She has made a horrendous error in judgement and one I struggle to understand. However, she employed for her medical expertise/knowledge and isn’t a politician. 
 

I just find myself struggling to see benefit of her being emptied. Her being sacked is about punishment, it does nothing to improve  the current situation, probably the opposite. 
 

 

 

 

The problem is that she has lost credibility. When she talks many will now dismiss her as a hypocrite.

 

The country needs someone they can trust.

[hughesie27]

She shouldn't be involved in any more press conferences and her adverts should all be replaced with someone whos face we can actually trust.

[BlackJAC?]

13 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

It's clear to see as usual people in trying times simply look for others to blame

 

The media, press latch on and then all we hear after this is the blame game...many on here seem to be following the same bitter path

 

This nonsense about people having to be perfect is just not possible in the real world and the stench of hypocrisy on here reeks

 

Mistake yes....but not the worst we have seen and it's great to read from all the posters who have lived such true and faithful lives pre and during the current virus situation....I hope it has helped their mental well being to get rid of the frustrations they are finding hard to cope with

 

The focus should be on equipment and clothing for all front line staff, it should be on testing and what can we do to improve this position we can find ourselves in....there should be complaints about the action or inaction we have seen so far, 

 

You just have to read some of the posts to see that many on here have already 'broken' the rules but of course not will be the cry..yeah right

 

To be fair, we're not the person stood on TV preaching to others. We're mere plebs being led by these fools.  Also, this wasn't her first error of judgement, this was the 2nd time she visited the house. Once is a mistake, twice is a piss take.

 

No one can fault anyone if they now disregard her requests.  Why should they heed her warnings when she can't even follow them herself?

Edited April 5, 2020 by BlackJAC?

[iantjambo]

Unfortunately the miracle never happened and the mother in law sadly passed away around half an hour ago. 
 

The other half is obviously in bits but I’ll get her through it.

[steve123]

Just now, iantjambo said:

Unfortunately the miracle never happened and the mother in law sadly passed away around half an hour ago. 
 

The other half is obviously in bits but I’ll get her through it.

Sorry to hear that thoughts are with you and family 

[milky_26]

sorry to hear that ian, condolences to you and your wife 

[davemclaren]

2 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Unfortunately the miracle never happened and the mother in law sadly passed away around half an hour ago. 
 

The other half is obviously in bits but I’ll get her through it.

Sorry to hear that. 

[redjambo]

12 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

It's clear to see as usual people in trying times simply look for others to blame

 

The media, press latch on and then all we hear after this is the blame game...many on here seem to be following the same bitter path

 

This nonsense about people having to be perfect is just not possible in the real world and the stench of hypocrisy on here reeks

 

Mistake yes....but not the worst we have seen and it's great to read from all the posters who have lived such true and faithful lives pre and during the current virus situation....I hope it has helped their mental well being to get rid of the frustrations they are finding hard to cope with

 

The focus should be on equipment and clothing for all front line staff, it should be on testing and what can we do to improve this position we can find ourselves in....there should be complaints about the action or inaction we have seen so far, 

 

You just have to read some of the posts to see that many on here have already 'broken' the rules but of course not will be the cry..yeah right

 

Bloomin' heck.

 

One of the key ways we are going to get through this crisis with the minimum of deaths is by us all pulling together and doing the right thing, including following the advice with which we are provided. It is crucial. Can you not see that the CMO telling us to do something and then intentionally not doing it herself, for no valid or exceptional reason, is a very bad message to be putting across? The very fact that she is getting so much stick, even if she stands down or not, is actually helping the situation by impressing on the public how wrong she was and that her example should most certainly not be followed.

 

It can't just be swept under the carpet and has nothing to do with NHS response and provisioning. These are separate issues.

 

[BlackJAC?]

2 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Unfortunately the miracle never happened and the mother in law sadly passed away around half an hour ago. 
 

The other half is obviously in bits but I’ll get her through it.

 

Absolute shite news mate.  I don't know you, never met you, but I am sorry that anyone has to go through this.  Hopefully once this all ends, we all get to give relatives the send off they deserve.  My MiL died 3 weeks ago and no one could even attend the funeral other than my partner.  It kills you a little bit more inside.  But we'll make up for missed time. 

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Unfortunately the miracle never happened and the mother in law sadly passed away around half an hour ago. 
 

The other half is obviously in bits but I’ll get her through it.

 

Sorry to hear that, Ian.

[CJGJ]

10 minutes ago, Nobreath said:

 

 

The problem is that she has lost credibility. When she talks many will now dismiss her as a hypocrite.

 

The country needs someone they can trust.

Ahh the search for the perfect one you seem to think is available just at the click of a finger

 

When will people learn you cannot be perfect and yet the constant need to tell the world that people can live that life belongs with the religious nuts and hypocrites

 

This is important yes but vital no

 

You might as well get a talking robot to suit some of the posters on here...oh and I ask are we all innocent ?..but feel free to spout your opinion from your lofty perch

 

 

[iantjambo]

5 minutes ago, steve123 said:

Sorry to hear that thoughts are with you and family 

 

4 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

sorry to hear that ian, condolences to you and your wife 

 

4 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Sorry to hear that. 

 

3 minutes ago, Barack said:

Sorry to hear, Ian. 

 

1 minute ago, BlackJAC? said:

 

Absolute shite news mate.  I don't know you, never met you, but I am sorry that anyone has to go through this.  Hopefully once this all ends, we all get to give relatives the send off they deserve.  My MiL died 3 weeks ago and no one could even attend the funeral other than my partner.  It kills you a little bit more inside.  But we'll make up for missed time. 

Thanks guys.

 

It just makes this whole thing seem so much more real when it hits you directly.

 

Black JAC I’m sorry to hear that mate. Hope you and your other half are doing ok.

[iantjambo]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Sorry to hear that, Ian.

Cheers mate

[redjambo]

4 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said:

 

Absolute shite news mate.  I don't know you, never met you, but I am sorry that anyone has to go through this.  Hopefully once this all ends, we all get to give relatives the send off they deserve.  My MiL died 3 weeks ago and no one could even attend the funeral other than my partner.  It kills you a little bit more inside.  But we'll make up for missed time. 

 

Sorry to hear about your loss too, BlackJAC. You're right about the send-off once we get through this.

[whodanny]

9 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Unfortunately the miracle never happened and the mother in law sadly passed away around half an hour ago. 
 

The other half is obviously in bits but I’ll get her through it.

I'm very sorry to hear that Ian. My sincere condolences to your wife, yourself and all your family. Stay strong.

[Class of 75]

10 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Unfortunately the miracle never happened and the mother in law sadly passed away around half an hour ago. 
 

The other half is obviously in bits but I’ll get her through it.

So sorry to hear of your loss. 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

9 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Unfortunately the miracle never happened and the mother in law sadly passed away around half an hour ago. 
 

The other half is obviously in bits but I’ll get her through it.

Sorry to hear that - take care of your Mrs at this incredibly difficult time.

[Bongo 1874]

344 discharged from critical care. 

[Unknown user]

11 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Unfortunately the miracle never happened and the mother in law sadly passed away around half an hour ago. 
 

The other half is obviously in bits but I’ll get her through it.

Strength to you

[Homme]

Really sorry to hear Ian. Thoughts are with you both. 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said:

344 discharged from critical care. 

Some good news at last

[Bongo 1874]

14 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Unfortunately the miracle never happened and the mother in law sadly passed away around half an hour ago. 
 

The other half is obviously in bits but I’ll get her through it.

Stay strong mate. 

[Bongo 1874]

1559 still in critical care. 

[Mikey1874]

31 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said:

 

To be fair, we're not the person stood on TV preaching to others. We're mere plebs being led by these fools.  Also, this wasn't her first error of judgement, this was the 2nd time she visited the house. Once is a mistake, twice is a piss take.

 

No one can fault anyone if they now disregard her requests.  Why should they heed her warnings when she can't even follow them herself?

 

Setting an example remains by far the best way to change behaviour.

[Mikey1874]

Tough one