Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Adam_the_legend]

It feels like the population are changing their views and the live with it approach is starting to become the preferred option. Really interesting polls by vine and GMB showing as much, especially interesting given their traditional audience are more likely to be the middle class nice house and garden work from home types who can hunker down much more easily. 
 

 

 

[Taffin]

18 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

If you think my post was racist then you have a problem.  There is not a racist bone in my body.  Would you like to explain why 3/10 Londoners are not vaccinating ?  lockdown is no doubt coming and unvaccinated people is a huge reason for it. But crack on.

 

 

https://www.ukri.org/our-work/tackling-the-impact-of-covid-19/vaccines-and-treatments/covid-19-vaccine-uptake-in-uks-minority-ethnic-groups/

 

Given London is much more diverse than the rest of the UK as a whole that may play a significant part in it(?).

[Malinga the Swinga]

16 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

If you think my post was racist then you have a problem.  There is not a racist bone in my body.  Would you like to explain why 3/10 Londoners are not vaccinating ?  lockdown is no doubt coming and unvaccinated people is a huge reason for it. But crack on.

 

Reckon the BAME sector is large to here and for some reason, that has been identified as problem area. They don't trust government and refuse to take vaccine. It isn't a racist post, but the link is there.

How on earth you change their minds in a problem for someone to resolve but solution seems miles away. Some if reasons go back to slavery, chimera outcome and others that seem unbelievable to me, but then again, I'm not in their shoes.

[Bindy Badgy]

8 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Reckon the BAME sector is large to here and for some reason, that has been identified as problem area. They don't trust government and refuse to take vaccine. It isn't a racist post, but the link is there.

How on earth you change their minds in a problem for someone to resolve but solution seems miles away. Some if reasons go back to slavery, chimera outcome and others that seem unbelievable to me, but then again, I'm not in their shoes.

 

There have been cases of minority groups being targeted in unethical experiments so it isn't hard to see why some people within these groups don't trust the vaccine. I'll use an American example as it's the most well known one and the first that came to mind.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

 

Quote

The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the ***** Male (informally referred to as the Tuskegee Experiment or Tuskegee Syphilis Study) was an ethically abusive study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service (PHS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on a group of nearly 400 African Americans with syphilis. The purpose of the study was to observe the effects of the disease when untreated, though by the end of the study it was entirely treatable. The men were not informed of the nature of the experiment, and more than 100 died as a result.

 

[Victorian]

6 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Good news Moderna saying booster good against Omicron.

Bad news - if we are going to suffer from these waves for foreseeable future, are we suggesting that we introduce restrictions each and every time?

At some point, we need to get on with life or else accept that living like Hermits, living with no travel, living with no indoor entertainment or socialising and having mass unemployment and a broken economy is our future.

Vaccine works but mutation strikes, 100 days later vaccine tweaked but another mutation strikes, 100 days later vaccine tweaked but mutation strikes and so on.

When exactly are our esteemed scientists going to realise that we can't avoid this and stop running about panicking.

 

One major way out of that sort of cycle is polyvalent vaccines.  Vaccines that protect against multiple strains and predicted ones too.  There may be no need for strain specific vaccines and the timescale of production makes them risky to bother with,  assuming variants evolve to escape them.

[manaliveits105]

The media are desperate for further restrictions it seems whether required or not  and after thankfully disappearing for a few months Dr Doom the Dentist is back with a bang

"we wont see the peak of this wave till end of January"  - wants a regular slot back on off the ball 

[escobri]

13 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

The media are desperate for further restrictions it seems whether required or not  and after thankfully disappearing for a few months Dr Doom the Dentist is back with a bang

"we wont see the peak of this wave till end of January"  - wants a regular slot back on off the ball 

To be fair they are just doing as told, like many others throughout this pandemic, just following orders.

[1874robbo]

44 minutes ago, escobri said:

To be fair they are just doing as told, like many others throughout this pandemic, just following orders.

Spreading fear is all they do 

they love bad news stories.

 

[milky_26]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

The media are desperate for further restrictions it seems whether required or not  and after thankfully disappearing for a few months Dr Doom the Dentist is back with a bang

"we wont see the peak of this wave till end of January"  - wants a regular slot back on off the ball 

he just needs to claim he is a celtic fan and he will be on as much as pratt bonner

[Hesh]

3 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

Spreading fear is all they do 

they love bad news stories.

 

pretty much spot on 

[Ray Gin]

Let it rip. What could possibly go wrong?

ScotRail cancels 118 services as virus spikes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59727020

 

The train operator's website showed 118 cancelled trains on Monday morning, with staff illness stated as the cause of almost all of them

[1874robbo]

Aye blame it on omicron that way the DFT won’t penalise them for failing to run services 

theyre no that stupid these scotrail managers 

[Ray Gin]

5 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

Aye blame it on omicron that way the DFT won’t penalise them for failing to run services 

theyre no that stupid these scotrail managers 

 

What are you suggesting the true reason is behind 118 service cancellations?

[1874robbo]

4 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

What are you suggesting the true reason is behind 118 service cancellations?

Certainly not all because of omicron that’s for sure 

[Ray Gin]

7 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

Certainly not all because of omicron that’s for sure 

 

If you know this for sure, what are the true reasons?

[Savage Vince]

4 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

Agreed, and it's a fair challenge, but let's be honest, the demographic who attend nightclubs will make up a very, very small percentage (probably not even a percentage point) of those being hospitalised with Covid.

 

If it's truly about protecting the NHS there's a whole host we could have done over the last year, first and foremost, improving the nations health and fitness. Aside from a brief stint of Boris on a bicycle there's been none of that.

 

I'm not sure if you're serious in thinking that the photographs of Clownshoes on a borrowed bike was an attempt to improve the nations fitness. 

[Footballfirst]

Today's figures for Scotland identifies the worst affected neighbourhoods as West Lothian at 998, East Renfrewshire 884 and Edinburgh at 874.  I'd expect all three to exceed 1,000 in the next few days.

[1874robbo]

4 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

If you know this for sure, what are the true reasons?

Ray if you believe everything you are fed from scotrail who down the years even before covid have cancelled numerous services at this time of year due to staff shortages then you’re more gullible than I thought.

[Nucky Thompson]

23 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

What are you suggesting the true reason is behind 118 service cancellations?

Maybe something to do with the ridiculous self isolation rules in Scotland regarding whole families isolating when one person tests positive

[Dennis Denuto]

11 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Today's figures for Scotland identifies the worst affected neighbourhoods as West Lothian at 998, East Renfrewshire 884 and Edinburgh at 874.  I'd expect all three to exceed 1,000 in the next few days.

In Scotland the Case rates are certainly shooting up in the younger age groups and not yet really increasing in the older ages yet - maybe this explains the extended lag in Hospital numbers and deaths are still dropping. Maybe that's due to boosters, maybe it's still to come or maybe you know sniffles?

[Don Dan]

One admin assistant in my wife’s Health Visiting team has tested positive and that has wiped out the whole team till they get the results of the PCR tests. 
Thankfully the LFTs we have been doing twice daily keep coming up negative. However we now have to wait for the PCR test to come back negative before we can come out of isolation if positive then that’s Christmas goosed for us. 
 

The Oxgangs Covid testing station was very busy at lunchtime. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by Boy Daniel

[Салатные палочки]

35 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Let it rip. What could possibly go wrong?

ScotRail cancels 118 services as virus spikes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59727020

 

The train operator's website showed 118 cancelled trains on Monday morning, with staff illness stated as the cause of almost all of them

 

No doubt be the case right through the festive period. Supposed to be meeting my old man for a pint on the 27th and a lack of trains means that's unlikely to happen. 

[Ray Gin]

13 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

Ray if you believe everything you are fed from scotrail who down the years even before covid have cancelled numerous services at this time of year due to staff shortages then you’re more gullible than I thought.

 

And the cancelled theatre productions, bus services, Premier League matches, castle closure etc.

They're just using omicron as an excuse too, I suppose?

 

[Jambo 4 Ever]

5 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said:

 

No doubt be the case right through the festive period. Supposed to be meeting my old man for a pint on the 27th and a lack of trains means that's unlikely to happen. 

Could you drive instead and have a soft drink?

[Салатные палочки]

3 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Could you drive instead and have a soft drink?

 

I could, but I can drive any time to see them though. The whole reason was we haven't been for a pint together for a couple of years now. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

5 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said:

 

I could, but I can drive any time to see them though. The whole reason was we haven't been for a pint together for a couple of years now. 

Remember wear a mask and drink through a straw.

[Jeff]

4 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Remember wear a mask and drink through a straw.

 

And don't wave your arms

[Салатные палочки]

4 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Remember wear a mask and drink through a straw.

 

Oh I'm sure it will be a very enjoyable experience. Lots of signing in, plastic barriers, no standing at the bar, getting told off in front of all the regulars for not putting my mask on for going to the toilet. What a riot. 

[1874robbo]

24 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

And the cancelled theatre productions, bus services, Premier League matches, castle closure etc.

They're just using omicron as an excuse too, I suppose?

 

No some of them will be legit but 118 services.

aye ok then.

you still believe in Santa? 

[1874robbo]

35 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Maybe something to do with the ridiculous self isolation rules in Scotland regarding whole families isolating when one person tests positive

Bingo!!!!

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said:

 

Oh I'm sure it will be a very enjoyable experience. Lots of signing in, plastic barriers, no standing at the bar, getting told off in front of all the regulars for not putting my mask on for going to the toilet. What a riot. 

Bah! Humbug.

Make the most of it and I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.

🍺🍷

[The Real Maroonblood]

42 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Maybe something to do with the ridiculous self isolation rules in Scotland regarding whole families isolating when one person tests positive

Even if you’ve been double jagged and had the booster.

Farcical.

[Malinga the Swinga]

52 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Today's figures for Scotland identifies the worst affected neighbourhoods as West Lothian at 998, East Renfrewshire 884 and Edinburgh at 874.  I'd expect all three to exceed 1,000 in the next few days.

Is it really extraordinary Robert? Didn't realise Peston was an expert and a voice we should listen to. Thought he was political and economic trained journalist, but no, he's authority on virus transmission as well.

Another one desperate to be seen and heard.

[manaliveits105]

Peston a legend in his own mind and master of talking slow - ersehole ! 

Edited December 20, 2021 by manaliveits105

[Malinga the Swinga]

39 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

And the cancelled theatre productions, bus services, Premier League matches, castle closure etc.

They're just using omicron as an excuse too, I suppose?

 

Are the vast majority cancelled because they are actually ill or cancelled because they're in isolation because of ridiculous 10 rule?

Are those who are positive ill or asymptomatic, having been vaccinated?

The rules need to be looked at.

Are you saying football clubs wouldn't use this as excuse to wait until players back from injury or transfer window open? Not all, but I'll bet some are.

 

[Nucky Thompson]

UK positive cases back up to 91K today, still below the record 93k cases reported on Friday.

 

The cases by specimen date had it peaking at 102k last Wednesday, but has been dropping since.

Thursday 91,312

Friday 78,016

Saturday 59,370

Sunday 18,293.

 

 

Deaths still dropping, hospital admissions up slightly by 6% week on week, but people staying in hospital and ICU has hardly moved in weeks

[Malinga the Swinga]

10 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Even if you’ve been double jagged and had the booster.

Farcical.

Not according to some on here. They must live for the day they can take test and get positive result. Best Christmas present they could wish for.

[Malinga the Swinga]

3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

UK positive cases back up to 91K today, still below the record 93k cases reported on Friday.

 

The cases by specimen date had it peaking at 102k last Wednesday, but has been dropping since.

Thursday 91,312

Friday 78,016

Saturday 59,370

Sunday 18,293.

 

 

Deaths still dropping, hospital admissions up slightly by 6% week on week, but people staying in hospital and ICU has hardly moved in weeks

Surprised by that what with all the illnesses at ScotRail, theatres, football clubs, and castles.

[manaliveits105]

there will be an ayebut along in a minute 

[SE16 3LN]

3 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

If you think my post was racist then you have a problem.  There is not a racist bone in my body.  Would you like to explain why 3/10 Londoners are not vaccinating ?  lockdown is no doubt coming and unvaccinated people is a huge reason for it. But crack on.

 

London is an International and diverse city, if you don't understand that, and make your bigoted little opinions regardless, then you're racist. Almost 4 Million people from EU countries were given settled status after Brexit. Many of these people are living in their "home nations" due to Covid, but appear as unvaccinated by their London GP's. 

 

At the 2011 census over 50% of people in London were born outside the UK. Many of these people have different cultures, religions, backgrounds and beliefs than your totalitarian views. They don't necessarily believe they should get a vaccine. If you don't recognise that, then you're a racist.

 

The majority of people in London are not white. There experience in the UK has been one of racism and many mistrust govt. and other authorities. If they are told to get a vaccine, they will think about it long and hard. If you don't understand that from your position of white privilege, then you're a racist.

 

The medium age of Londoners is 8 years lower than Scotland, for example. Therefore they were not entitled to vaccines until long after the Monochrome people of ruk. There is naturally further to catch up. 

 

Given all of this, it is remarkable that 75% of Londoners are fully vaccinated and the numbers are going up. There are people lining up all over London to get vaccinated now so it will improve.

 

At the start of this pandemic, many Scots Nationalists talked about building a wall around London/England. At the second Lockdown the same thing happened and indeed the First Minister said English people were not welcome in Scotland unless they had good reason. More than that she tried to ban travel to and from Manchester because of high rates of Covid. Throughout this period infection rates in Scotland were as high as anywhere else in the UK, and indeed, the highest in Europe.  She didn't discourage thousands of Scotland fans coming to London during the Euros and spreading the Virus. Indeed they were welcomed by London.

 

While we're on this, a double vaccination is not preventing people getting Omicron. For example, my daughter got delta (after mingling with Scotland football fans) is double jabbed and now has omicron. 

 

You're assertion that there isn't a racist bone in your body seems a bit flimsy to me. Chucking Nanny Nicola Covid Style Nationalism about is unhelpful and is a sign that you've been duped. It's certainly not a sign that the multicultural and welcoming people of London need to be locked in.

 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

7 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Not according to some on here. They must live for the day they can take test and get positive result. Best Christmas present they could wish for.

So it would seem.

[The Mighty Thor]

4 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

London is an International and diverse city, if you don't understand that, and make your bigoted little opinions regardless, then you're racist. Almost 4 Million people from EU countries were given settled status after Brexit. Many of these people are living in their "home nations" due to Covid, but appear as unvaccinated by their London GP's. 

 

At the 2011 census over 50% of people in London were born outside the UK. Many of these people have different cultures, religions, backgrounds and beliefs than your totalitarian views. They don't necessarily believe they should get a vaccine. If you don't recognise that, then you're a racist.

 

The majority of people in London are not white. There experience in the UK has been one of racism and many mistrust govt. and other authorities. If they are told to get a vaccine, they will think about it long and hard. If you don't understand that from your position of white privilege, then you're a racist.

 

The medium age of Londoners is 8 years lower than Scotland, for example. Therefore they were not entitled to vaccines until long after the Monochrome people of ruk. There is naturally further to catch up. 

 

Given all of this, it is remarkable that 75% of Londoners are fully vaccinated and the numbers are going up. There are people lining up all over London to get vaccinated now so it will improve.

 

At the start of this pandemic, many Scots Nationalists talked about building a wall around London/England. At the second Lockdown the same thing happened and indeed the First Minister said English people were not welcome in Scotland unless they had good reason. More than that she tried to ban travel to and from Manchester because of high rates of Covid. Throughout this period infection rates in Scotland were as high as anywhere else in the UK, and indeed, the highest in Europe.  She didn't discourage thousands of Scotland fans coming to London during the Euros and spreading the Virus. Indeed they were welcomed by London.

 

While we're on this, a double vaccination is not preventing people getting Omicron. For example, my daughter got delta (after mingling with Scotland football fans) is double jabbed and now has omicron. 

 

You're assertion that there isn't a racist bone in your body seems a bit flimsy to me. Chucking Nanny Nicola Covid Style Nationalism about is unhelpful and is a sign that you've been duped. It's certainly not a sign that the multicultural and welcoming people of London need to be locked in.

 

 

[SE16 3LN]

6 hours ago, Savage Vince said:

 

Nuke it. 

You could use the British Nukes at Faslane, but where would you get your subsidy from Vincent?

[Savage Vince]

1 minute ago, SE16 3LN said:

You could use the British Nukes at Faslane, but where would you get your subsidy from Vincent?

 

Can't think of a better way to send them South, pal. 😉

[Hesh]

15 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Not according to some on here. They must live for the day they can take test and get positive result. Best Christmas present they could wish for.

Where do you get this pish from......

[Savage Vince]

13 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

London is an International and diverse city, if you don't understand that, and make your bigoted little opinions regardless, then you're racist. Almost 4 Million people from EU countries were given settled status after Brexit. Many of these people are living in their "home nations" due to Covid, but appear as unvaccinated by their London GP's. 

 

At the 2011 census over 50% of people in London were born outside the UK. Many of these people have different cultures, religions, backgrounds and beliefs than your totalitarian views. They don't necessarily believe they should get a vaccine. If you don't recognise that, then you're a racist.

 

The majority of people in London are not white. There experience in the UK has been one of racism and many mistrust govt. and other authorities. If they are told to get a vaccine, they will think about it long and hard. If you don't understand that from your position of white privilege, then you're a racist.

 

The medium age of Londoners is 8 years lower than Scotland, for example. Therefore they were not entitled to vaccines until long after the Monochrome people of ruk. There is naturally further to catch up. 

 

Given all of this, it is remarkable that 75% of Londoners are fully vaccinated and the numbers are going up. There are people lining up all over London to get vaccinated now so it will improve.

 

At the start of this pandemic, many Scots Nationalists talked about building a wall around London/England. At the second Lockdown the same thing happened and indeed the First Minister said English people were not welcome in Scotland unless they had good reason. More than that she tried to ban travel to and from Manchester because of high rates of Covid. Throughout this period infection rates in Scotland were as high as anywhere else in the UK, and indeed, the highest in Europe.  She didn't discourage thousands of Scotland fans coming to London during the Euros and spreading the Virus. Indeed they were welcomed by London.

 

While we're on this, a double vaccination is not preventing people getting Omicron. For example, my daughter got delta (after mingling with Scotland football fans) is double jabbed and now has omicron. 

 

You're assertion that there isn't a racist bone in your body seems a bit flimsy to me. Chucking Nanny Nicola Covid Style Nationalism about is unhelpful and is a sign that you've been duped. It's certainly not a sign that the multicultural and welcoming people of London need to be locked in.

 

 

 

You must hate it down there. I mean REALLY hate it. 😁

 

No wonder you're so angry all the time. 😊

[NANOJAMBO]

13 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

London is an International and diverse city, if you don't understand that, and make your bigoted little opinions regardless, then you're racist. Almost 4 Million people from EU countries were given settled status after Brexit. Many of these people are living in their "home nations" due to Covid, but appear as unvaccinated by their London GP's. 

 

At the 2011 census over 50% of people in London were born outside the UK. Many of these people have different cultures, religions, backgrounds and beliefs than your totalitarian views. They don't necessarily believe they should get a vaccine. If you don't recognise that, then you're a racist.

 

The majority of people in London are not white. There experience in the UK has been one of racism and many mistrust govt. and other authorities. If they are told to get a vaccine, they will think about it long and hard. If you don't understand that from your position of white privilege, then you're a racist.

 

The medium age of Londoners is 8 years lower than Scotland, for example. Therefore they were not entitled to vaccines until long after the Monochrome people of ruk. There is naturally further to catch up. 

 

Given all of this, it is remarkable that 75% of Londoners are fully vaccinated and the numbers are going up. There are people lining up all over London to get vaccinated now so it will improve.

 

At the start of this pandemic, many Scots Nationalists talked about building a wall around London/England. At the second Lockdown the same thing happened and indeed the First Minister said English people were not welcome in Scotland unless they had good reason. More than that she tried to ban travel to and from Manchester because of high rates of Covid. Throughout this period infection rates in Scotland were as high as anywhere else in the UK, and indeed, the highest in Europe.  She didn't discourage thousands of Scotland fans coming to London during the Euros and spreading the Virus. Indeed they were welcomed by London.

 

While we're on this, a double vaccination is not preventing people getting Omicron. For example, my daughter got delta (after mingling with Scotland football fans) is double jabbed and now has omicron. 

 

You're assertion that there isn't a racist bone in your body seems a bit flimsy to me. Chucking Nanny Nicola Covid Style Nationalism about is unhelpful and is a sign that you've been duped. It's certainly not a sign that the multicultural and welcoming people of London need to be locked in.

 

 

There is so much shit in this post it's hard to know where to begin. 

It's like the very worst trolls on Kickback have formed a committee.

[Footballfirst]

22 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

UK positive cases back up to 91K today, still below the record 93k cases reported on Friday.

 

The cases by specimen date had it peaking at 102k last Wednesday, but has been dropping since.

Thursday 91,312

Friday 78,016

Saturday 59,370

Sunday 18,293.

 

 

Deaths still dropping, hospital admissions up slightly by 6% week on week, but people staying in hospital and ICU has hardly moved in weeks

 

17 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

there will be an ayebut along in a minute 

😇 Aye but, you both (should) know by now that the last few days figures are incomplete.   Please retain those numbers then compare them to the figures published for the same dates later this week, e.g. on Thu/Fri.  

Edited December 20, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Ulysses]

Just now, Savage Vince said:

 

You must hate it down there. I mean REALLY hate it. 😁

 

No wonder you're so angry all the time. 😊

 

I know what he said was a sad case of someone grabbing a stick by the wrong end of it and swinging it wildly (hey, and not for the first time), but what did you mean by your "nuke" comment?

[Nucky Thompson]

PM unlikely to introduce more restrictions before Christmas after delaying the decision. The data on omicron was still too limited to justify the immediate introduction of new restrictions,

At least a third of ministers are said to oppose further curbs.

 

Sensible decision IMO