Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[ri Alban]

9 hours ago, indianajones said:

London has more than double the population of Scotland. 

 

Numbers are no surprise really. **** ever living in that city. 

9m - 5.5 m = 3.5m

3.5m × 2= 9m. Are you sure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by ri Alban

[indianajones]

2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

9m - 5.5 m = 3.5m

3.5m × 2= 9m. Are you sure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remove the double. Not sure where that came from. Sentiment still stands. 

[manaliveits105]

8 hours ago, **** the SPFL said:

Oot Oot

 

[Dazo]

11 hours ago, Hesh said:

I’m not afraid of isolating, but what rips ma knitting is the fact that if a family member tests + and I test neg I still have to isolate. Treat yourself as being sick even though you aren’t 

Being honest that is the one rule thing I’d break if I had to. Obviously I’d test first but Why the **** should someone who doesn’t have covid sit in the house. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

7 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Being honest that is the one rule thing I’d break if I had to. Obviously I’d test first but Why the **** should someone who doesn’t have covid sit in the house. 

Does seem daft.

[Dazo]

2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Does seem daft.

Daft doesn’t even cover it TRM. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

13 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Daft doesn’t even cover it TRM. 

True.

[milky_26]

32 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Being honest that is the one rule thing I’d break if I had to. Obviously I’d test first but Why the **** should someone who doesn’t have covid sit in the house. 

that is one thing they have right down here in england, if a member of your household tests positive as long as you take daily tests that are negative you can carry on pretty much as normal.

 

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

that is one thing they have right down here in england, if a member of your household tests positive as long as you take daily tests that are negative you can carry on pretty much as normal.

 

 

Even then, the testing daily part is only advised. Fully vaccinated then your good to go.

 

 

On the topic of fully vaccinated, I notice there is some quite open talk from some managers about not signing players who are unvaccinated. Given it isn't mandatory like within the NHS surely they'd be on a shoogly peg stating that?

[The Mighty Thor]

39 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Being honest that is the one rule thing I’d break if I had to. Obviously I’d test first but Why the **** should someone who doesn’t have covid sit in the house. 

It's the one thing that will cripple businesses and services and does seem to fly in the face of common sense.

[kila]

33 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Does seem daft.

I guess they predicted it’s likely everyone in the household would end up testing positive with omicron eventually.

 

However a friend is isolating (day 6) because his wife has it and while they are trying to social distance it’s amazing he hasn’t caught it yet. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by kila

[SE16 3LN]

14 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

well said. London needs to be completely isolated. Embarrassing numbers. As usual London will dictate what happens to everywhere else.

I love these racist posts from the Covid Nationalists. With disgusting views like this you're the one who needs to be isolated.  

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, kila said:

I guess they predicted it’s likely everyone in the household would end up testing positive with omicron eventually.

 

However a friend is isolating (day 6) because his wife has it and while they are trying to social distance it’s amazing he hasn’t caught it yet. 

 

You'd think that getting the negative person out the house as much as possible would reduce their likelihood of catching it.

 

 

[kila]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

You'd think that getting the negative person out the house as much as possible would reduce their likelihood of catching it.

Depends if they have a second home to go to

 

[Jeffros Furios]

Fat Boris missed yesterday's Cobra meeting , he continues to show great leadership..

[wibble]

Unless ICUs are full there's not much to worry about.  20% of medical staff on sick leave doesn't sound good though.  

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

13 minutes ago, kila said:

I guess they predicted it’s likely everyone in the household would end up testing positive with omicron eventually.

 

However a friend is isolating (day 6) because his wife has it and while they are trying to social distance it’s amazing he hasn’t caught it yet. 

My daughter is the same but now her husband has it.

Xmas cancelled at their house.

So be it.

Edited December 20, 2021 by The Real Maroonblood

[Taffin]

5 minutes ago, kila said:

Depends if they have a second home to go to

 

 

Very true. 😂

[Boab]

If ever you needed reminding how out of touch politicians are, Dominic Raab showed it in spades this morning. 

Defending the photo of the garden “ meeting” he said they had just finished a gruelling day of meetings !

This was after the interviewer reminded him of people were in real, gruelling situations last May, notably nurses etc !

What an arsehole ! 

And people vote for these parasites ?

Staggering !

[Malinga the Swinga]

38 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Even then, the testing daily part is only advised. Fully vaccinated then your good to go.

 

 

On the topic of fully vaccinated, I notice there is some quite open talk from some managers about not signing players who are unvaccinated. Given it isn't mandatory like within the NHS surely they'd be on a shoogly peg stating that?

Not really. If you have option to sign vaccinated player or unvaccinated player, they'll choose former. Why risk signing someone who has potentially better chance of catching Covid and also requires separate facilities for team meetings, lunches and travel. Also other players may not be happy if they are vaccinated having new guy coming in and again, potentially spreading it.

 

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, Boab said:

If ever you needed reminding how out of touch politicians are, Dominic Raab showed it in spades this morning. 

Defending the photo of the garden “ meeting” he said they had just finished a gruelling day of meetings !

This was after the interviewer reminded him of people were in real, gruelling situations last May, notably nurses etc !

What an arsehole ! 

And people vote for these parasites ?

Staggering !

 

To be fair, after a day of meetings, some wine and cheese in the garden whilst continuing discussions seems like a rather agreeable thing to do.

[Boab]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

To be fair, after a day of meetings, some wine and cheese in the garden whilst continuing discussions seems like a rather agreeable thing to do.

Aye...!

Let them eat cake eh !

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Not really. If you have option to sign vaccinated player or unvaccinated player, they'll choose former. Why risk signing someone who has potentially better chance of catching Covid and also requires separate facilities for team meetings, lunches and travel. Also other players may not be happy if they are vaccinated having new guy coming in and again, potentially spreading it.

 

 

For me it's not quite so clear, but do understand your point. Yes, they have a duty of care to their existing players but they also have to be careful they aren't discriminating I guess. Also if it's something like 65% of players are vaccinated you're ruling out a significant pool of players.

 

Some of your reasons could equally be applied to people you absolutely would not be allowed to discriminate against.

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, Boab said:

Aye...!

Let them eat cake eh !

 

It's most certainly a horrendous case of hypocrisy from them, but the act itself doesn't irritate me in any way.

[Savage Vince]

1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

I love these racist posts from the Covid Nationalists. With disgusting views like this you're the one who needs to be isolated.  

 

Nuke it. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

15 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

For me it's not quite so clear, but do understand your point. Yes, they have a duty of care to their existing players but they also have to be careful they aren't discriminating I guess. Also if it's something like 65% of players are vaccinated you're ruling out a significant pool of players.

 

Some of your reasons could equally be applied to people you absolutely would not be allowed to discriminate against.

Might be more of an issue if they don't pick players already at club because they're not vaccinated.

Pretty sure Klopp, Guardiola and the top clubs have big enough squads to cope doing that but could be an issue for teams with smaller squads. If best players aren't vaccinated, do you leave them out and play weakened team, or keep them in and increase risk of Covid. 

Guess that's why some want to call a halt to games 

[Taffin]

11 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Might be more of an issue if they don't pick players already at club because they're not vaccinated.

Pretty sure Klopp, Guardiola and the top clubs have big enough squads to cope doing that but could be an issue for teams with smaller squads. If best players aren't vaccinated, do you leave them out and play weakened team, or keep them in and increase risk of Covid. 

Guess that's why some want to call a halt to games 

 

It's a tricky one and quite a complex issue, especially when vaccinated players can and will also catch and spread it...albeit to a lesser extent (maybe, not sure of the omicron data yet). Just seems a bit of risky grandstanding to me for a manager to be coming out with it; as even with the best HR and legal advice I'm not sure this has been tested yet and may come back to bite them.

 

Personally I'd play the ones that are fit and drop the ones that aren't...regardless of their vaccination status, but that's just me and has no real value.

 

 

[Taffin]

"He tells BBC Breakfast that polling suggests people are recognising the threat of Omicron and wanting measures such as nightclubs to be closed."

 

From the BBC feed.

 

This is something that confuses me and admittedly riles me a bit. Why do people want nightclubs closed? It's not like it's a public building or service, if you think nightclubs are dangerous don't go to one, or don't socialise with those who do 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ 

Edited December 20, 2021 by Taffin

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

"He tells BBC Breakfast that polling suggests people are recognising the threat of Omicron and wanting measures such as nightclubs to be closed."

 

From the BBC feed.

 

This is something that confuses me and admittedly riles me a bit. Why do people want nightclubs closed? It's not like it's a public building or service, if you think nightclubs are dangerous don't go to one, or don't socialise with those who do 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ 

It’s a shambles.
This time last year we we’re saying  next year could only get better.

Here we go again.

Great time to be alive.

[Taffin]

Just now, The Real Maroonblood said:

It’s a shambles.
This time last year we we’re saying  next year could only get better.

Here we go again.

Great time to be alive.

 

I agree, but evidently some don't. Who are these people who are wanting these closures? Nobody I've spoken to lately wants anything other than to be left alone to get on with their lives. 

 

I know there's an element of confirmation bias due to associating with like-minded people but there's evidently a large-ish pool of people who do want other people's actions curtailed despite them being under no obligation to engage with them, or what they're doing 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Hesh]

12 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

Yes that would annoy me greatly. Is that still the rule in Scotland or are you not fully vaccinated? Either way, yes, a real frustration that one.

As far as I’m aware it is, the FEAR (used deliberately) is that if you have the virus if it’s then Omicron, you will spread it and therefore the people you share a house with will catch and spread it too. 
 

im very pro vaccination, but this comes over as house arrest to me. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

I agree, but evidently some don't. Who are these people who are wanting these closures? Nobody I've spoken to lately wants anything other than to be left alone to get on with their lives. 

 

I know there's an element of confirmation bias due to associating with like-minded people but there's evidently a large-ish pool of people who do want other people's actions curtailed despite them being under no obligation to engage with them, or what they're doing 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Fair comment.

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, Hesh said:

As far as I’m aware it is, the FEAR (used deliberately) is that if you have the virus if it’s then Omicron, you will spread it and therefore the people you share a house with will catch and spread it too. 
 

im very pro vaccination, but this comes over as house arrest to me. 

 

Certainly seems over-zealous to me. Hopefully they row back on it soon.

[milky_26]

10 minutes ago, Taffin said:

"He tells BBC Breakfast that polling suggests people are recognising the threat of Omicron and wanting measures such as nightclubs to be closed."

 

From the BBC feed.

 

This is something that confuses me and admittedly riles me a bit. Why do people want nightclubs closed? It's not like it's a public building or service, if you think nightclubs are dangerous don't go to one, or don't socialise with those who do 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ 

which fool said that?

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

which fool said that?

 

 

'Stephen Reicher is professor of psychology at the University of St Andrews and a member of government advisory body the Scientific Pandemic Insights Group on Behaviours (Spi-B).'

 

He's just quoting whatever that poll found though, in his defence. The fools are the people indicating that's their opinion, imo of course.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Taffin

[jambogaza]

17 minutes ago, Taffin said:

"He tells BBC Breakfast that polling suggests people are recognising the threat of Omicron and wanting measures such as nightclubs to be closed."

 

From the BBC feed.

 

This is something that confuses me and admittedly riles me a bit. Why do people want nightclubs closed? It's not like it's a public building or service, if you think nightclubs are dangerous don't go to one, or don't socialise with those who do 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

Counter point: it is about protecting the collective, ie the NHS and access to it, and surely that is a red line for any responsible citizen?

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, jambogaza said:

 

Counter point: it is about protecting the collective, ie the NHS and access to it, and surely that is a red line for any responsible citizen?

 

Agreed, and it's a fair challenge, but let's be honest, the demographic who attend nightclubs will make up a very, very small percentage (probably not even a percentage point) of those being hospitalised with Covid.

 

If it's truly about protecting the NHS there's a whole host we could have done over the last year, first and foremost, improving the nations health and fitness. Aside from a brief stint of Boris on a bicycle there's been none of that.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Taffin

[Dennis Denuto]

5 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I agree, but evidently some don't. Who are these people who are wanting these closures? Nobody I've spoken to lately wants anything other than to be left alone to get on with their lives. 

 

I know there's an element of confirmation bias due to associating with like-minded people but there's evidently a large-ish pool of people who do want other people's actions curtailed despite them being under no obligation to engage with them, or what they're doing 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

It's the same when you hear some wifey (Usually is) on the radio saying "and there playing a football match at hampden during all this", but is off to get her nails or hair done that afternoon. Everyone has their own ideas about where things spread and about what is and what isn't essential, so they just want places where they think it spreads shutdown.

 

We went through it all on this thread with schools etc in other phases and all the tiers stuff - I think the conclusion is it spreads a little bit everywhere people meet up.

 

I'd like to see business stay open and maybe then limit people interacting in each others homes and WFH where you can, not shutdown some places but leave others free to trade where the spread could be just as bad.

[jambogaza]

5 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Agreed, but let's be honest, the demographic who attend nightclubs will make up a very, very small percentage (probably not even a percentage point) of those being hospitalised with Covid.

 

If it's truly about protecting the NHS there's a whole host we could have done over the last year, first and foremost, improving the nations health and fitness. Aside from a brief stint of Boris on a bicycle there's been none of that.

 

But isn't the point that the more the virus transmits, irrespective of the demographic, the more likely it is to find and infect people who are less able to fight it off?

 

We will see in the next week or 2, particularly in London, if that is the case. I hope they're wrong as I could be too late to stop it now anyway.

[Dazo]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

It's the one thing that will cripple businesses and services and does seem to fly in the face of common sense.

It’s madness. I know one large employer who is telling staff to come in if tested negative and to test daily following that. Hiding people in their homes shouldn’t be part of living with this and not what we were told if we were vaccinated. 

[Dennis Denuto]

1 minute ago, Dazo said:

It’s madness. I know one large employer who is telling staff to come in if tested negative and to test daily following that. Hiding people in their homes shouldn’t be part of living with this and not what we were told if we were vaccinated. 

My hunch is that this is a temp measure to get the cases to slow down as much as possible, they can't pull many other strings just now - it will revert back to being released with a -ve test once we are further into the Omicron wave...

[Dazo]

4 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

My hunch is that this is a temp measure to get the cases to slow down as much as possible, they can't pull many other strings just now - it will revert back to being released with a -ve test once we are further into the Omicron wave...

Her temp measures have a habit of lasting a bit too long. It is crippling for families and businesses. 

[Victorian]

It's a mug's game trying to identify the perceived settings in which it's spreading and,  more importantly,  the perception of who is supposedly better able to 'fight it off'.  Epidemiologically,  the more widespread the incidence / prevalence is,  the quicker and more widespread it inevitably finds it's way into more susceptible people.

 

If it was as simple as only fit,  healthy,  young people being at risk from being infected and virtually all of them being unaffected by it then that would be super.  It isn't though.

 

They seem to be scrambling about trying to slow it down enough to flatten the demand on the NHS.  Time will tell if it's successful,  or even possible.

[jambogaza]

6 minutes ago, Victorian said:

It's a mug's game trying to identify the perceived settings in which it's spreading and,  more importantly,  the perception of who is supposedly better able to 'fight it off'.  Epidemiologically,  the more widespread the incidence / prevalence is,  the quicker and more widespread it inevitably finds it's way into more susceptible people.

 

If it was as simple as only fit,  healthy,  young people being at risk from being infected and virtually all of them being unaffected by it then that would be super.  It isn't though.

 

They seem to be scrambling about trying to slow it down enough to flatten the demand on the NHS.  Time will tell if it's successful,  or even possible.

 

Yep. This is about the next 2 to 3 months and keeping the NHS operational.

 

After that, the challenge is getting the vaccines far and wide around the globe so that we can actually bring the pandemic to a close. There are no excuses now.

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, jambogaza said:

 

Yep. This is about the next 2 to 3 months and keeping the NHS operational.

 

After that, the challenge is getting the vaccines far and wide around the globe so that we can actually bring the pandemic to a close. There are no excuses now.

 

Definitely.  If they had firm confidence that the NHS demand can be managed and that key services and supply chain threats can also be managed then I think it would be highly desirable to governments to let it go with minimal suppression.  This is and hopefully remains a stealth strategy of a managed let-it-rip.  

 

If it can be coped with and infection becomes truly widespread,  we stand to be in a really good position.  Jabbed up to buggery and widespread immunisation via natural exposure to the up-to-date strain.  

[XB52]

39 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Agreed, and it's a fair challenge, but let's be honest, the demographic who attend nightclubs will make up a very, very small percentage (probably not even a percentage point) of those being hospitalised with Covid.

 

If it's truly about protecting the NHS there's a whole host we could have done over the last year, first and foremost, improving the nations health and fitness. Aside from a brief stint of Boris on a bicycle there's been none of that.

30% of hospitalisations are under 50 in the latest figures. 18 to 40 still about 15%. A minority but not a tiny amount 

[Taffin]

46 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

It's the same when you hear some wifey (Usually is) on the radio saying "and there playing a football match at hampden during all this", but is off to get her nails or hair done that afternoon. Everyone has their own ideas about where things spread and about what is and what isn't essential, so they just want places where they think it spreads shutdown.

 

We went through it all on this thread with schools etc in other phases and all the tiers stuff - I think the conclusion is it spreads a little bit everywhere people meet up.

 

I'd like to see business stay open and maybe then limit people interacting in each others homes and WFH where you can, not shutdown some places but leave others free to trade where the spread could be just as bad.

 

👍👍

 

45 minutes ago, jambogaza said:

 

But isn't the point that the more the virus transmits, irrespective of the demographic, the more likely it is to find and infect people who are less able to fight it off?

 

We will see in the next week or 2, particularly in London, if that is the case. I hope they're wrong as I could be too late to stop it now anyway.

 

True, but that's where people need to take a bit of responsibility. Vulnerable? Maybe don't spend a lot of time with folk who go clubbing currently. I'll be avoiding a few people over the next few days who I know have been clubbing because I don't want pinged for Christmas. I don't want the clubs closed though to make it easier for me.

 

5 minutes ago, XB52 said:

30% of hospitalisations are under 50 in the latest figures. 18 to 40 still about 15%. A minority but not a tiny amount 

 

The bed usage for Covid is c.10% (best guess; it was 8% a few days ago) so even allowing for the upper 30% then it's a tiny amount...albeit not quite less than a percentage point as I guessed at. Given not all of them will go to nightclubs, I reckon I'm not far off.

[Dennis Denuto]

9 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

👍👍

 

 

True, but that's where people need to take a bit of responsibility. Vulnerable? Maybe don't spend a lot of time with folk who go clubbing currently. I'll be avoiding a few people over the next few days who I know have been clubbing because I don't want pinged for Christmas. I don't want the clubs closed though to make it easier for me.

 

 

The bed usage for Covid is c.10% (best guess; it was 8% a few days ago) so even allowing for the upper 30% then it's a tiny amount...albeit not quite less than a percentage point as I guessed at. Given not all of them will go to nightclubs, I reckon I'm not far off.

No way I've not read anything and it is definitely unvaxed nightclub going football fan school children between 20-25 that are causing the problem!!

 

(BTW I am not having a go at anyone specific here so if you think it is aimed at you have a look at yourself)

[1971fozzy]

4 hours ago, SE16 3LN said:

I love these racist posts from the Covid Nationalists. With disgusting views like this you're the one who needs to be isolated.  

If you think my post was racist then you have a problem.  There is not a racist bone in my body.  Would you like to explain why 3/10 Londoners are not vaccinating ?  lockdown is no doubt coming and unvaccinated people is a huge reason for it. But crack on.

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Good news Moderna saying booster good against Omicron.

Bad news - if we are going to suffer from these waves for foreseeable future, are we suggesting that we introduce restrictions each and every time?

At some point, we need to get on with life or else accept that living like Hermits, living with no travel, living with no indoor entertainment or socialising and having mass unemployment and a broken economy is our future.

Vaccine works but mutation strikes, 100 days later vaccine tweaked but another mutation strikes, 100 days later vaccine tweaked but mutation strikes and so on.

When exactly are our esteemed scientists going to realise that we can't avoid this and stop running about panicking.