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Today's trend stats. Another decrease in the 7-day case rate, more moderate than yesterday, with some areas showing increases. Positivity rate continuing downwards but today's large number of deaths (30) pushing the death rate up. Hospitalisations still on the up.

 

      7-day per-100,000 cases                
Council Area WHO   Today Yesterday     13 Sep 12 Sep 11 Sep 10 Sep 9 Sep ... 1 Sep
Scotland 4   666 682 -16   725 776 785 818 817 ... 747
                           
West Dunbartonshire 4   1097 1120 -23   1158 1228 1245 1321 1296 ... 1105
Inverclyde 4   955 908 +47   954 1054 1095 1151 1168 ... 1238
East Renfrewshire 4   919 962 -43   1006 1055 1048 1091 1075 ... 1080
North Lanarkshire 4   856 907 -51   960 1034 1085 1155 1196 ... 1261
Renfrewshire 4   837 832 +5   910 981 1033 1078 1102 ... 1041
West Lothian 4   805 761 +44   805 832 781 817 822 ... 668
North Ayrshire 4   804 812 -8   826 899 891 892 837 ... 772
Dundee City 4   785 773 +12   831 851 858 859 845 ... 697
Glasgow City 4   753 779 -26   848 937 956 1014 1036 ... 989
East Ayrshire 4   743 769 -26   788 834 811 813 781 ... 627
Fife 4   737 751 -14   787 813 820 849 830 ... 597
South Lanarkshire 4   732 756 -24   821 893 909 966 987 ... 1013
Midlothian 4   720 782 -62   842 875 877 890 888 ... 754
South Ayrshire 4   702 659 +43   677 734 697 715 721 ... 658
East Dunbartonshire 4   687 757 -70   795 868 874 913 956 ... 1150
Clackmannanshire 4   671 723 -52   801 833 909 944 975 ... 704
Stirling 4   660 655 +5   679 717 696 699 695 ... 628
Falkirk 4   642 681 -39   733 801 782 845 848 ... 690
Aberdeenshire 4   615 619 -4   637 660 666 670 621 ... 424
Edinburgh City 4   583 602 -19   645 704 705 744 723 ... 722
Argyll & Bute 4   549 572 -23   615 681 748 763 784 ... 712
Aberdeen City 4   524 526 -2   553 580 590 607 588 ... 414
East Lothian 4   505 495 +10   510 573 558 584 608 ... 604
Angus 4   457 452 +5   480 515 533 551 544 ... 430
Highland 4   451 490 -39   534 584 609 632 611 ... 531
Dumfries & Galloway 4   426 469 -43   512 533 541 589 566 ... 620
Perth & Kinross 4   423 400 +23   395 405 400 394 384 ... 297
Scottish Borders 4   417 444 -27   451 464 440 453 462 ... 430
Moray 4   247 250 -3   271 281 247 260 254 ... 183
Shetland Islands 4   223 223 0   267 249 280 337 310 ... 262
Orkney Islands 4   205 246 -41   259 228 223 147 147 ... 67
Na h-Eileanan Siar 3   117 136 -19   140 136 147 166 189 ... 170
                           
                           
7-day averages     Today Yesterday     13 Sep 12 Sep 11 Sep 10 Sep 9 Sep ... 1 Sep
Tests     51511 51475 +36   53583 55218 54130 55345 54395 ... 46368
Cases     5199 5327 -128   5658 6061 6126 6391 6376 ... 5832
Positivity rate %     10.8 11.1 -0.3   11.3 11.7 12.1 12.3 12.5 ... 13.3
Deaths     13.6 11.7 +1.9   11.0 11.0 11.0 11.1 9.4 ... 6.0
                           
All Vaccinations     8263 8847 -584   9324 9949 10370 10587 11496 ... 15364
1st Dose     2287 2345 -58   2432 2737 3010 3040 3228 ... 2844
2nd Dose     5976 6502 -526   6892 7212 7360 7547 8268 ... 12520
                           
All in hospital     1014 986 +28   949 909 867 822 776 ... 524
Non-ICU     927 900 +27   865 828 789 748 705 ... 473
ICU     87 86 +1   84 81 78 74 71 ... 51
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5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats. Another decrease in the 7-day case rate, more moderate than yesterday, with some areas showing increases. Positivity rate continuing downwards but today's large number of deaths (30) pushing the death rate up. Hospitalisations still on the up.

 

      7-day per-100,000 cases                
Council Area WHO   Today Yesterday     13 Sep 12 Sep 11 Sep 10 Sep 9 Sep ... 1 Sep
Scotland 4   666 682 -16   725 776 785 818 817 ... 747
                           
West Dunbartonshire 4   1097 1120 -23   1158 1228 1245 1321 1296 ... 1105
Inverclyde 4   955 908 +47   954 1054 1095 1151 1168 ... 1238
East Renfrewshire 4   919 962 -43   1006 1055 1048 1091 1075 ... 1080
North Lanarkshire 4   856 907 -51   960 1034 1085 1155 1196 ... 1261
Renfrewshire 4   837 832 +5   910 981 1033 1078 1102 ... 1041
West Lothian 4   805 761 +44   805 832 781 817 822 ... 668
North Ayrshire 4   804 812 -8   826 899 891 892 837 ... 772
Dundee City 4   785 773 +12   831 851 858 859 845 ... 697
Glasgow City 4   753 779 -26   848 937 956 1014 1036 ... 989
East Ayrshire 4   743 769 -26   788 834 811 813 781 ... 627
Fife 4   737 751 -14   787 813 820 849 830 ... 597
South Lanarkshire 4   732 756 -24   821 893 909 966 987 ... 1013
Midlothian 4   720 782 -62   842 875 877 890 888 ... 754
South Ayrshire 4   702 659 +43   677 734 697 715 721 ... 658
East Dunbartonshire 4   687 757 -70   795 868 874 913 956 ... 1150
Clackmannanshire 4   671 723 -52   801 833 909 944 975 ... 704
Stirling 4   660 655 +5   679 717 696 699 695 ... 628
Falkirk 4   642 681 -39   733 801 782 845 848 ... 690
Aberdeenshire 4   615 619 -4   637 660 666 670 621 ... 424
Edinburgh City 4   583 602 -19   645 704 705 744 723 ... 722
Argyll & Bute 4   549 572 -23   615 681 748 763 784 ... 712
Aberdeen City 4   524 526 -2   553 580 590 607 588 ... 414
East Lothian 4   505 495 +10   510 573 558 584 608 ... 604
Angus 4   457 452 +5   480 515 533 551 544 ... 430
Highland 4   451 490 -39   534 584 609 632 611 ... 531
Dumfries & Galloway 4   426 469 -43   512 533 541 589 566 ... 620
Perth & Kinross 4   423 400 +23   395 405 400 394 384 ... 297
Scottish Borders 4   417 444 -27   451 464 440 453 462 ... 430
Moray 4   247 250 -3   271 281 247 260 254 ... 183
Shetland Islands 4   223 223 0   267 249 280 337 310 ... 262
Orkney Islands 4   205 246 -41   259 228 223 147 147 ... 67
Na h-Eileanan Siar 3   117 136 -19   140 136 147 166 189 ... 170
                           
                           
7-day averages     Today Yesterday     13 Sep 12 Sep 11 Sep 10 Sep 9 Sep ... 1 Sep
Tests     51511 51475 +36   53583 55218 54130 55345 54395 ... 46368
Cases     5199 5327 -128   5658 6061 6126 6391 6376 ... 5832
Positivity rate %     10.8 11.1 -0.3   11.3 11.7 12.1 12.3 12.5 ... 13.3
Deaths     13.6 11.7 +1.9   11.0 11.0 11.0 11.1 9.4 ... 6.0
                           
All Vaccinations     8263 8847 -584   9324 9949 10370 10587 11496 ... 15364
1st Dose     2287 2345 -58   2432 2737 3010 3040 3228 ... 2844
2nd Dose     5976 6502 -526   6892 7212 7360 7547 8268 ... 12520
                           
All in hospital     1014 986 +28   949 909 867 822 776 ... 524
Non-ICU     927 900 +27   865 828 789 748 705 ... 473
ICU     87 86 +1   84 81 78 74 71 ... 51

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1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Every summer when I'm doing a wee homer or two I toy with the idea of starting up and going back on the tools, but the thought of a hard winter soon brings me back down to Earth.

It's a young man's game, ri. Hope you've got plenty in the book to see you through the winter. 👍

 

Keeping busy just now though, aye. Few months in the North Sea so nice to be close to home for a change. 

Superb. :thumb:

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Jeffros Furios

I wonder what number the hospitalisations need to reach for the Scot Gov to impose restrictions  ? 

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The Real Maroonblood
12 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

I wonder what number the hospitalisations need to reach for the Scot Gov to impose restrictions  ? 

It’s a worry.

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12 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

I wonder what number the hospitalisations need to reach for the Scot Gov to impose restrictions  ? 

Do you think there might be more restrictions on the way?  

Sadly I can see a lot more people ignoring and openly campaigning against them.  

It'll be frustrating but if it needs to be done. 

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9 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

Do you think there might be more restrictions on the way?  

Sadly I can see a lot more people ignoring and openly campaigning against them.  

It'll be frustrating but if it needs to be done. 

There won't be unless Westminster do it first. There's no financial support for more lockdowns after 30th September.

 

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13 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

It’s a worry.

It would be a worry if Westminster indicated that they were introducing more lockdowns.

Sturgeon can only do so much without financial support. Thank God

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3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

There won't be unless Westminster do it first. There's no financial support for more lockdowns after 30th September.

 

No

need for restrictions really . How many died of cancer yesterday or other illnesses . Seriously people need to calm Down . Live with it not in fear of it , as you say Sturgeon won’t / can’t do Much if the magic money tree isn’t shaken 

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17 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

Do you think there might be more restrictions on the way?  

Sadly I can see a lot more people ignoring and openly campaigning against them.  

It'll be frustrating but if it needs to be done. 

If the hospital figures keep rising they will need to do something .

But can the Scot Gov finance businesses affected by restrictions ? 

Not easy decisions .

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34 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

I wonder what number the hospitalisations need to reach for the Scot Gov to impose restrictions  ? 

1320

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5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

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need for restrictions really . How many died of cancer yesterday or other illnesses . Seriously people need to calm Down . Live with it not in fear of it , as you say Sturgeon won’t / can’t do Much if the magic money tree isn’t shaken 

Yet here you are, day after day after day.

Honestly, have you considered that maybe you need to calm down and live with it?

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10 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It would be a worry if Westminster indicated that they were introducing more lockdowns.

Sturgeon can only do so much without financial support. Thank God

No point in worrying about something that may not happen.

Just crack on and enjoy the present.

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There's some stuff that can be done that wouldn't necessarily involve business closures and staff going on furlough.  Reduced opening,  etc.  Obviously businesses will argue that it would badly impact on trade with the associated effect on jobs.  So there's a limit to what restrictions can be reintroduced,  unless there's some other way that affected businesses can be supported/compensated.

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19 minutes ago, Victorian said:

There's some stuff that can be done that wouldn't necessarily involve business closures and staff going on furlough.  Reduced opening,  etc.  Obviously businesses will argue that it would badly impact on trade with the associated effect on jobs.  So there's a limit to what restrictions can be reintroduced,  unless there's some other way that affected businesses can be supported/compensated.

Good idea in that it wouldn't have to be another blanket lockdown.  We must've learned enough from this to look at other approaches. 

I think the economy might dictate the way things go as much as the health stuff.

 

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19 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

Good idea in that it wouldn't have to be another blanket lockdown.  We must've learned enough from this to look at other approaches. 

I think the economy might dictate the way things go as much as the health stuff.

 

 

Definitely.  I think they should also think again about excluding education to be a last resort measure.  It's not ideal by any means to reintroduce a degree of home based learning but if it made a big enough difference and ensured that the economy and jobs were protected from restrictions,  isn't there an indirect benefit to kids in the longer term?  

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1 hour ago, Smithee said:

Yet here you are, day after day after day.

Honestly, have you considered that maybe you need to calm down and live with it?

I am . I’m not the one making claims about restrictions etc . I’m getting along just nicely 

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1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

No point in worrying about something that may not happen.

Just crack on and enjoy the present.

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Exactly . Think We will go on a bender this weekend ! Why no ! 👍👍

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1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

Definitely.  I think they should also think again about excluding education to be a last resort measure.  It's not ideal by any means to reintroduce a degree of home based learning but if it made a big enough difference and ensured that the economy and jobs were protected from restrictions,  isn't there an indirect benefit to kids in the longer term?  

I saw that guy on the news who is involved in some sort of education association saying that they have to maybe begin looking at things and maybe have to do some home schooling. 

The one thing about this period is that it has forced us to look at reassess how we go about work and school. 

Praying that winter doesn't catch us all out and mean we regress to what things were like last year  

 

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Just now, Auldbenches said:

I saw that guy on the news who is involved in some sort of education association saying that they have to maybe begin looking at things and maybe have to do some home schooling. 

The one thing about this period is that it has forced us to look at reassess how we go about work and school. 

Praying that winter doesn't catch us all out and mean we regress to what things were like last year  

 

 

Depends on how the experts quantify the effect of reintroducing some home learning.  If it's something that's very likely to have a sizable benefit then it should be a live option.  

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5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I am . I’m not the one making claims about restrictions etc . I’m getting along just nicely 

 

Aye you've been like a boating pond on a windless day this last year and a bit.

Ah, you do you, but I have to tell you, you look a bit daft telling people to calm down and live with it when you're by far the most obsessed person out of the thousands of jkb arseholes.

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1 hour ago, Smithee said:

Yet here you are, day after day after day.

Honestly, have you considered that maybe you need to calm down and live with it?

 

:laugh:

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

I saw that guy on the news who is involved in some sort of education association saying that they have to maybe begin looking at things and maybe have to do some home schooling. 

The one thing about this period is that it has forced us to look at reassess how we go about work and school. 

Praying that winter doesn't catch us all out and mean we regress to what things were like last year  

 

 

Working from home rules

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Just now, Victorian said:

 

Depends on how the experts quantify the effect of reintroducing some home learning.  If it's something that's very likely to have a sizable benefit then it should be a live option.  

The difficulty is how this impacts on the working lived if parents. 

No easy answer here but we will have learned from the last time and I don't think things will be that bad.

 

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1 minute ago, Smithee said:

 

Working from home rules

There seems to be a fair amount who are more than happy to continue with this so I'll be ready to ha e both options if needed.

I agree with you.  Sat here today enjoying home comforts and only having to use a phone.  Why commute in this weather..? 

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The Real Maroonblood
13 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Exactly . Think We will go on a bender this weekend ! Why no ! 👍👍

:robboyas:

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1 minute ago, Auldbenches said:

The difficulty is how this impacts on the working lived if parents. 

No easy answer here but we will have learned from the last time and I don't think things will be that bad.

 

 

Maybe not.  There's some signs that the numbers are level or about to head down.  It's very curious because there's no obvious change in circumstances to explain it.  We've heard about the changes of winter and how it will introduce a bit of seasonal forcing into the equation.  But something must be behind the reason why current numbers aren't increasing.  It's a decent reason to believe things might not be too bad.

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7 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Aye you've been like a boating pond on a windless day this last year and a bit.

Ah, you do you, but I have to tell you, you look a bit daft telling people to calm down and live with it when you're by far the most obsessed person out of the thousands of jkb arseholes.

Im

honestly fine and living with it . The state sponsored fear is long gone ! 

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3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Maybe not.  There's some signs that the numbers are level or about to head down.  It's very curious because there's no obvious change in circumstances to explain it.  We've heard about the changes of winter and how it will introduce a bit of seasonal forcing into the equation.  But something must be behind the reason why current numbers aren't increasing.  It's a decent reason to believe things might not be too bad.

It just shows how things have changed in our mentality towards this.

A post on here asks how many daily cases will it take for another lockdown and we are speculating about how society has to adapt long term.

It's not project fear doing it, it's just how much we have been affected by it.

 

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Just now, Auldbenches said:

It just shows how things have changed in our mentality towards this.

A post on here asks how many daily cases will it take for another lockdown and we are speculating about how society has to adapt long term.

It's not project fear doing it, it's just how much we have been affected by it.

 

 

I agree.  It's people thinking ahead,  based on what we've seen before throughout all of this.  Remembering the various times of increasing cases and the resultant relationships with outcomes and previous suppressing interventions.  Nothing to do with fear or pessimism or doom mongering or supposedly being pro-restriction or similar hysterical slavering that masquerades as conscious thought.

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19 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

There seems to be a fair amount who are more than happy to continue with this so I'll be ready to ha e both options if needed.

I agree with you.  Sat here today enjoying home comforts and only having to use a phone.  Why commute in this weather..? 

 

I'm sitting playing with the dog in my jammies and lunch was brilliant, the canteen dude really knows what he's doing.

The barista really knows how I like my coffee too, life is good!

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18 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Im

honestly fine and living with it . The state sponsored fear is long gone ! 

I hope you are, I hope we all are even though I'm a feisty dick

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Just now, Smithee said:

 

I'm sitting playing with the dog in my jammies and lunch was brilliant, the canteen dude really knows what he's doing.

The barista really knows how I like my coffee too, life is good!

😆  I bet there must be lots of people missing that beautiful morning bus journey...

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35 minutes ago, Smithee said:

I hope you are, I hope we all are even though I'm a feisty dick

 

Hear, hear!

 

There's a few of us!! This thread in particular has seen me go hammer and tongs at it with a few of you, but I've genuinely really quite enjoyed hearing other people's views and thoughts and also then noticing on other threads that on other topics I'm in complete agreement with my most staunch Covid nemeses 😂😂

 

My over riding hope though is that everyone is as well as can be and coping with whatever circumstances they're facing and that we all come out the other side stronger and wiser for the experience.

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2 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

I'm sitting playing with the dog in my jammies

 

:interehjrling:

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2 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

I'm sitting playing with the dog in my jammies and lunch was brilliant, the canteen dude really knows what he's doing.

The barista really knows how I like my coffee too, life is good!

why did you dress your dog in your jammies?

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6 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

why did you dress your dog in your jammies?

It's more interesting that he still owns jammies. 

I've not had a pair since I was 8 years old

 

I'm guessing that they'll be tartan ones 

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14 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

why did you dress your dog in your jammies?

Maybe I was playing with the metaphorical dog in my jammies.

Down boy!

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5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It's more interesting that he still owns jammies. 

I've not had a pair since I was 8 years old

 

I'm guessing that they'll be tartan ones 

 

No tartan jammies here, the jam tarts are enough for me

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3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Dugs in pyjamas, dicks and benders. Covid has fecked some folk, right up.

Or enhanced their lives.  Depends on your standpoint...

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Young woman from England died off cancer as GP failed to pick up the tumours on numerous virtual appointments! 
Sadly this won’t be in isolation. There will be incidences of this up and down the country. 
The true cost of this pandemic is yet to be seen. 

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7 minutes ago, GBJambo said:

Young woman from England died off cancer as GP failed to pick up the tumours on numerous virtual appointments! 
Sadly this won’t be in isolation. There will be incidences of this up and down the country. 
The true cost of this pandemic is yet to be seen. 

Unfortunately very true 

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29 minutes ago, GBJambo said:

Young woman from England died off cancer as GP failed to pick up the tumours on numerous virtual appointments! 
Sadly this won’t be in isolation. There will be incidences of this up and down the country. 
The true cost of this pandemic is yet to be seen. 

 

Yep.  Who knows what the scale will be of the full range of undiagnosed or uninvestigated illness?  We're probably only at the start of it and there will be a couple of years worth of late diagnoses to translate through the system.  The NHS is going to be catching up for a long time,  even if it can catch up.  All the more reason why it's vital that the NHS's covid workload is kept to as minimal a level as possible.  Otherwise the hole will probably just keep getting deeper.

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4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Yep.  Who knows what the scale will be of the full range of undiagnosed or uninvestigated illness?  We're probably only at the start of it and there will be a couple of years worth of late diagnoses to translate through the system.  The NHS is going to be catching up for a long time,  even if it can catch up.  All the more reason why it's vital that the NHS's covid workload is kept to as minimal a level as possible.  Otherwise the hole will probably just keep getting deeper.

 

You would think this point would be obvious but there still seems to be some people who can't get their head around the concept of lots of covid patients leading to increased waiting times.

 

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54 minutes ago, GBJambo said:

Young woman from England died off cancer as GP failed to pick up the tumours on numerous virtual appointments! 
Sadly this won’t be in isolation. There will be incidences of this up and down the country. 
The true cost of this pandemic is yet to be seen. 

 

In the interest of balance, as I've said before I've had any number of doctor and hospital appointments this year, including initial GP appointment, hospital specialists, MRI scans, surgery and post surgery follow ups.

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1 minute ago, Smithee said:

 

In the interest of balance, as I've said before I've had any number of doctor and hospital appointments this year, including initial GP appointment, hospital specialists, MRI scans, surgery and post surgery follow ups.

Still doesn’t excuse the fact that a lot of gp surgery’s are not having face to face consultations.

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5 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

You would think this point would be obvious but there still seems to be some people who can't get their head around the concept of lots of covid patients leading to increased waiting times.

 

 

There are a few different strands to the overall problem.  Covid takes up staff resources.  It takes up bed occupancy capacity.  It takes up ambulance resources.  Covid cases can't be added to one of the ever growing waiting lists.  They need to be treated immediately in exactly the same way as other emergency health matters such as heart attack,  stroke,  major injury trauma,  etc.

 

The other main problem is the climate in which the health service is operating.  Lots of people have been reluctant to present at GPs.  Lots of people are unable to access appointments with their GP.  Lots of people are fearful of hospital treatment and being admitted to hospital.  As well as freeing up resources to deal with the waiting lists,  it's going to require a reset to pre-covid times to enable people to seek medical appointments and be able to access them.  The problems can't be solved until covid is pushed much further into the background.

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4 minutes ago, GBJambo said:

Still doesn’t excuse the fact that a lot of gp surgery’s are not having face to face consultations.

People in my town have been claiming my doctor doesn't do face to face consultations, I don't know what to make of it, I'm just telling my experience.

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