Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Don Dan]

21 minutes ago, redjambo said:

60 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-2]

I do wish they would clarify if these patients were discharge as in on the way to recovery. The same for hospitalised patients as well. It would give a better perspective a better understanding  of the figures. 

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Boy Daniel said:

I do wish they would clarify if these patients were discharge as in on the way to recovery. The same for hospitalised patients as well. It would give a better perspective a better understanding  of the figures. 

 

Agreed, BD. Someone in ICU with Covid can (i) die, (ii) leave ICU but remain in hospital, (iii) leave ICU and hospital entirely (unlikely, but let's include it for the sake of completeness), (iv) be in ICU for more than 28 days and therefore drop out of the stats. It would be useful to have a breakdown of the figures.

[DETTY29]

18 minutes ago, theshed said:

Booked seats on Saturday for 2pm.

Sat waiting till Table was ready at 2.15. 
Then had to download app from

thr table I was sat at and couldn’t get signal so had to join their WiFi ( should have done this on arrival I know) 

 

Anyway after a carry on trying to order a mixer for the vodka the drinks arrived just after 230pm.  
30 mins to get one drink leaving me with 1 hour 30 mins of my booked two hour slot 
 

I asked if the person could just take my order but she said no and to use the app. Was on the verge of just walking out but knew I wouldn’t get in anywhere else so just stayed 

No going back to a pub till I can walk up and order at the bar 

This will probably become a new normal for many chain pubs especially.  It's just ust that Covid has brought it on a lot quicker.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by DETTY29

[The Mighty Thor]

I see leading scientific expert and darling of the tin foil hatters on this thread, Neil Oliver,  is 'standing up for freedom, yours and mine together' to 'cheerfully risk catching covid' by refusing his vaccine. 

 

Good lad.

 

Hopefully covid obliges the utter helmet. 

[Nucky Thompson]

2 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

This will probably become a new normal for many chain pubs especially.  It's just ust that Covid has brought it on a lot quicker.

 

 

It's not happened in England. They couldn't wait to get back to normal

 

Less staff are required if people can queue at the bar to get served.

 

 

[theshed]

4 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

This will probably become a new normal for many chain pubs especially.  It's just ust that Covid has brought it on a lot quicker.

 

 

Yes I know what your saying but they really could do with more staff as when the pubs allow more people in id hate to think how long you will

wait on your drink. 
 

Feel sorry for the staff as they will be run off their feet and have everyone moaning at them asking where their drinks are 

[Unknown user]

21 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I see leading scientific expert and darling of the tin foil hatters on this thread, Neil Oliver,  is 'standing up for freedom, yours and mine together' to 'cheerfully risk catching covid' by refusing his vaccine. 

 

Good lad.

 

Hopefully covid obliges the utter helmet. 

 

He's a real whalloper's whalloper

[Fxxx the SPFL]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats. No significant changes from the trends over the last few days.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO	Today	Yesterday			31 Jul	30 Jul	29 Jul	28 Jul	27 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland		145	149	-4		152	158	159	166	176	...	22
Inverclyde	4	223	225	-2		222	219	186	186	197	...	15
West Dunbartonshire	4	207	221	-14		216	223	229	232	237	...	28
South Lanarkshire	4	203	208	-5		201	202	194	189	180	...	18
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	196	208	-12		204	223	230	238	192	...	0
North Lanarkshire	4	196	192	+4		203	206	206	217	226	...	40
West Lothian	4	186	187	-1		187	181	174	187	188	...	26
Midlothian	4	175	160	+15		166	176	176	180	211	...	10
Clackmannanshire	4	168	174	-6		183	199	193	189	187	...	14
Glasgow City	4	160	169	-9		175	185	187	206	224	...	33
East Lothian	4	158	157	+1		169	192	196	216	216	...	5
North Ayrshire	4	156	165	-9		168	174	157	164	156	...	17
Stirling	4	151	163	-12		172	158	158	171	182	...	11
Dundee City	3	149	155	-6		161	165	165	170	182	...	13
Fife	3	149	154	-5		161	164	162	167	171	...	32
South Ayrshire	3	146	143	+3		141	139	130	134	144	...	25
East Dunbartonshire	3	140	131	+9		119	108	106	111	130	...	51
Aberdeen City	3	138	141	-3		141	144	141	148	152	...	13
Dumfries & Galloway	3	134	140	-6		144	138	133	121	130	...	19
Edinburgh City	3	133	140	-7		148	153	159	173	183	...	27
Renfrewshire	3	133	135	-2		132	137	147	152	163	...	20
East Renfrewshire	3	128	122	+6		113	120	136	148	160	...	24
Falkirk	3	123	131	-8		140	146	149	152	165	...	23
East Ayrshire	3	120	122	-2		126	137	141	156	164	...	45
Scottish Borders	3	102	107	-5		118	133	141	144	150	...	6
Angus	3	98	113	-15		115	112	116	119	133	...	7
Highland	3	96	105	-9		105	123	130	121	133	...	9
Perth & Kinross	3	95	95	0		99	104	104	116	132	...	22
Aberdeenshire	3	90	93	-3		83	85	94	99	108	...	8
Moray	3	89	96	-7		103	109	121	129	139	...	65
Argyll & Bute	3	84	107	-23		115	114	114	130	150	...	7
Shetland Islands	3	79	74	+5		83	96	122	122	171	...	0
Orkney Islands	1	9	9	0		27	36	40	49	54	...	0
7-day averages		Today	Yesterday			31 Jul	30 Jul	29 Jul	28 Jul	27 Jul	...	1 May
Tests		23730	23705	+25		23296	23458	23430	23373	23829	...	18484
Cases		1133	1161	-28		1190	1232	1239	1300	1372	...	171
Positivity rate %		5.3	5.4	-0.1		5.7	5.8	5.9	6.2	6.4	...	1.1
Deaths		6.9	6.7	+0.2		6.3	6.6	6.6	7.9	7.6	...	1.3
All Vaccinations		19509	18909	+600		18635	19016	18891	18716	18581	...	45346
1st Dose		1981	1994	-13		2104	2179	2213	2261	2318	...	6677
2nd Dose		17528	16915	+613		16531	16837	16678	16455	16263	...	38669
All in hospital		455	464	-9		473	477	482	481	489	...	81
Non-ICU		393	402	-9		410	415	420	420	429	...	70
ICU		62	62	0		63	62	62	61	60	...	11

cheers red as ever figures certainly looking good downward spiral on case numbers in hospital ICU pretty stable will hopefully drop soon albeit slowly.

[westbow]

36 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

He's a real whalloper's whalloper

It's a shame what happened to him. Presumably embittered. Some halfwits pathetically started up a petition  objecting to his appointment as president of the National Trust for Scotland because he had the temerity to be anti independence. Then the David Starkey thing when Oliver said he loved him, Starkey said some unbelievably offensive drivel, which somehow Oliver became retrospectively tarred with.

 

It happens, when you argue with those who are radicalised you can end up taking a position out of bitterness. Going to the extremes. Listening to him slaver now is sad.

 

 

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I see leading scientific expert and darling of the tin foil hatters on this thread, Neil Oliver,  is 'standing up for freedom, yours and mine together' to 'cheerfully risk catching covid' by refusing his vaccine. 

 

Good lad.

 

Hopefully covid obliges the utter helmet. 

 

Most blokes with long hair are utter helmets tbf. 

[milky_26]

3 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Most blokes with long hair are utter helmets tbf. 

just because youre going bald

[Governor Tarkin]

3 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

just because youre going bald

 

Swing and miss, chump.

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, westbow said:

 

It happens, when you argue with those who are radicalised you can end up taking a position out of bitterness. Going to the extremes.

 

 

^^^^ This is me on The Terrace.

[milky_26]

3 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Swing and miss, chump.

thinning?

[Jeffros Furios]

Just now, milky_26 said:

thinning?

He wears a wig for his shift in the kebab shop .

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, milky_26 said:

thinning?

 

Forehead of three men.

Born with it, unfortunately.

 

Other than that, nope. Fantastic barnet.

 

 

[milky_26]

Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Forehead of three men.

Born with it, unfortunately.

 

Other than that, nope. Fantastic barnet.

 

 

i heard priti patel loves a man with long flowing locks

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats. No significant changes from the trends over the last few days.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO	Today	Yesterday			31 Jul	30 Jul	29 Jul	28 Jul	27 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland		145	149	-4		152	158	159	166	176	...	22
Inverclyde	4	223	225	-2		222	219	186	186	197	...	15
West Dunbartonshire	4	207	221	-14		216	223	229	232	237	...	28
South Lanarkshire	4	203	208	-5		201	202	194	189	180	...	18
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	196	208	-12		204	223	230	238	192	...	0
North Lanarkshire	4	196	192	+4		203	206	206	217	226	...	40
West Lothian	4	186	187	-1		187	181	174	187	188	...	26
Midlothian	4	175	160	+15		166	176	176	180	211	...	10
Clackmannanshire	4	168	174	-6		183	199	193	189	187	...	14
Glasgow City	4	160	169	-9		175	185	187	206	224	...	33
East Lothian	4	158	157	+1		169	192	196	216	216	...	5
North Ayrshire	4	156	165	-9		168	174	157	164	156	...	17
Stirling	4	151	163	-12		172	158	158	171	182	...	11
Dundee City	3	149	155	-6		161	165	165	170	182	...	13
Fife	3	149	154	-5		161	164	162	167	171	...	32
South Ayrshire	3	146	143	+3		141	139	130	134	144	...	25
East Dunbartonshire	3	140	131	+9		119	108	106	111	130	...	51
Aberdeen City	3	138	141	-3		141	144	141	148	152	...	13
Dumfries & Galloway	3	134	140	-6		144	138	133	121	130	...	19
Edinburgh City	3	133	140	-7		148	153	159	173	183	...	27
Renfrewshire	3	133	135	-2		132	137	147	152	163	...	20
East Renfrewshire	3	128	122	+6		113	120	136	148	160	...	24
Falkirk	3	123	131	-8		140	146	149	152	165	...	23
East Ayrshire	3	120	122	-2		126	137	141	156	164	...	45
Scottish Borders	3	102	107	-5		118	133	141	144	150	...	6
Angus	3	98	113	-15		115	112	116	119	133	...	7
Highland	3	96	105	-9		105	123	130	121	133	...	9
Perth & Kinross	3	95	95	0		99	104	104	116	132	...	22
Aberdeenshire	3	90	93	-3		83	85	94	99	108	...	8
Moray	3	89	96	-7		103	109	121	129	139	...	65
Argyll & Bute	3	84	107	-23		115	114	114	130	150	...	7
Shetland Islands	3	79	74	+5		83	96	122	122	171	...	0
Orkney Islands	1	9	9	0		27	36	40	49	54	...	0
7-day averages		Today	Yesterday			31 Jul	30 Jul	29 Jul	28 Jul	27 Jul	...	1 May
Tests		23730	23705	+25		23296	23458	23430	23373	23829	...	18484
Cases		1133	1161	-28		1190	1232	1239	1300	1372	...	171
Positivity rate %		5.3	5.4	-0.1		5.7	5.8	5.9	6.2	6.4	...	1.1
Deaths		6.9	6.7	+0.2		6.3	6.6	6.6	7.9	7.6	...	1.3
All Vaccinations		19509	18909	+600		18635	19016	18891	18716	18581	...	45346
1st Dose		1981	1994	-13		2104	2179	2213	2261	2318	...	6677
2nd Dose		17528	16915	+613		16531	16837	16678	16455	16263	...	38669
All in hospital		455	464	-9		473	477	482	481	489	...	81
Non-ICU		393	402	-9		410	415	420	420	429	...	70
ICU		62	62	0		63	62	62	61	60	...	11

👍

[Governor Tarkin]

1 minute ago, Jeffros Furios said:

He wears a wig for his shift in the kebab shop .

 

Do you want chili sauce with that?

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, milky_26 said:

i heard priti patel loves a man with long flowing locks

 

Got balls like Chewbacca. 👍

[Nucky Thompson]

21,952 new positive cases in the UK, the lowest since 29th June.

 

A million cases a week was it not Neil 

[Enzo Chiefo]

5 hours ago, Gizmo said:

 

 

And then they came for the intellectuals...*

 

 

 

 

*FOOTNOTE. Enzo survived this particular culling with ease.  

Critical thinkers are always useful to even the most grotesque regime. 😉

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Forehead of three men.

Born with it, unfortunately.

 

Other than that, nope. Fantastic barnet.

 

 

Big face cloth?

[Enzo Chiefo]

15 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

Oh right, hundreds of thousands of smart kids went to school, got into science and became scientists on a voyage of discovery, only to universally turn their back on their search for truth and collectively lie to oppress the world's population, in order to enhance their own interests. (Free Bunsen burners? A new lab coat?)

 

And the people fighting for truth aren't those smart kids who dedicated their lives to scientific discovery, it's the conspiracy theorist gobshites who couldn't get any further than high school science, they're the ones who have credibility in your eyes.

"The science" encompasses everything from the fantastic work done by Sarah Gilbert and her team at Oxford to the statisticians like Neil Ferguson who can produce any old garbage and still retain the respect of certain sections of the population.

Economics is also a "science" but those particular experts have been given nearly enough airtime.

 

Seeing short term "exponential" growth and continuing the trajectory indefinitely is the stuff of primary school statistics.  It was clear before, it certainly is now with real world evidence, that not everybody is susceptible to catching Covid, with or without mitigations. That has been the biggest flaw in the modelling we have been subjected to, although, as confirmed by SAGE minutes from last year, the idea was to scare people as we "were not frightened enough". In that respect, it could be deemed a success.

[Governor Tarkin]

49 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Big face cloth?

 

If only a cloth would do the job.

 

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

"The science" encompasses everything from the fantastic work done by Sarah Gilbert and her team at Oxford to the statisticians like Neil Ferguson who can produce any old garbage and still retain the respect of certain sections of the population.

Economics is also a "science" but those particular experts have been given nearly enough airtime.

 

Seeing short term "exponential" growth and continuing the trajectory indefinitely is the stuff of primary school statistics.  It was clear before, it certainly is now with real world evidence, that not everybody is susceptible to catching Covid, with or without mitigations. That has been the biggest flaw in the modelling we have been subjected to, although, as confirmed by SAGE minutes from last year, the idea was to scare people as we "were not frightened enough". In that respect, it could be deemed a success.

Why do clueless wankers on the internet carry so much more credibility?

[Governor Tarkin]

4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Why do clueless wankers on the internet carry so much more credibility?

 

Our posts don't carry any credibility, mate.

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by Governor Tarkin

[Francis Albert]

5 hours ago, DETTY29 said:

This will probably become a new normal for many chain pubs especially.  It's just ust that Covid has brought it on a lot quicker.

 

 

Since restrictions in England were lifted/relaxed every pub I have been in has dispensed with the requirement for table service though some offer it as an alternative to going to the bar. It makes a huge difference. One chain pub during the restrictions warned at the door that just to order a drink would take 15 minutes. **** that for a game of soldiers ...( an expression I have not heard for a long time.)

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by Francis Albert

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

5 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I see leading scientific expert and darling of the tin foil hatters on this thread, Neil Oliver,  is 'standing up for freedom, yours and mine together' to 'cheerfully risk catching covid' by refusing his vaccine. 

 

Good lad.

 

Hopefully covid obliges the utter helmet. 

If he got long covid and alopecia...

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

Why do clueless wankers on the internet carry so much more credibility?

Why are "scientists" the only profession not judged by results? 

We've been told at various stages of the last 18mths that facemasks don't work, then they are mandatory and essential,  we were informed daily - bored rigid  - by the monotonous hand cleaning regime message, to prevent Covid being transmitted from surfaces, only to now be told it's not spread that way. Indeed only today, tests carried out on trains and buses found absolutely no trace of Covid particles.

That's before we even start about ridiculous graphs forecasting 4k daily deaths, 100k , or even 200(Two hundred)k cases per day.

 

David Begg was a Prof of Town Planning but a taxi driver or bus driver , with real world experience, was far more qualified to discuss the traffic issues, problems and required fixes in Edinburgh.  

 

With respect, you're coming over a bit Gordon Strachan-like implying deferment to the "experts ". "What do supporters know, they've never played the game"

 

A population that doesn't assess, challenge, judge and criticise those in power, is a population that is suppressed.  That is a situation that all governments dream of.

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

49 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

If he got alopecia...

 

A condition that would benefit most women if only from the neck down.

[jack D and coke]

6 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

He's a real whalloper's whalloper

I’ve just seen it. WW2 blah blah spitfires blah blah facking ell  demented these people….if I give it to you that’s my right

 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

49 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Why are "scientists" the only profession not judged by results? 

We've been told at various stages of the last 18mths that facemasks don't work, then they are mandatory and essential,  we were informed daily - bored rigid  - by the monotonous hand cleaning regime message, to prevent Covid being transmitted from surfaces, only to now be told it's not spread that way. Indeed only today, tests carried out on trains and buses found absolutely no trace of Covid particles.

That's before we even start about ridiculous graphs forecasting 4k daily deaths, 100k , or even 200(Two hundred)k cases per day.

 

David Begg was a Prof of Town Planning but a taxi driver or bus driver , with real world experience, was far more qualified to discuss the traffic issues, problems and required fixes in Edinburgh.  

 

With respect, you're coming over a bit Gordon Strachan-like implying deferment to the "experts ". "What do supporters know, they've never played the game"

 

A population that doesn't assess, challenge, judge and criticise those in power, is a population that is suppressed.  That is a situation that all governments dream of.

 

 

Covid-19 is a new virus so the initial advice was based on known viruses. As knowledge has evolved, the advice has then changed and built on what was known. We don't discard knowledge, we use it as a platform to build on and challenge. Would you rather they had stuck to the initial plan without changing with the evidence?

 

 

[jack D and coke]

5 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Covid-19 is a new virus so the initial advice was based on known viruses. As knowledge has evolved, the advice has then changed and built on what was known. We don't discard knowledge, we use it as a platform to build on and challenge. Would you rather they had stuck to the initial plan without changing with the evidence?

 

 

Yep. Some try to make issues about the changing messages but like you say as things have went on that is surely the correct way as we learn more. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

8 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Covid-19 is a new virus so the initial advice was based on known viruses. As knowledge has evolved, the advice has then changed and built on what was known. We don't discard knowledge, we use it as a platform to build on and challenge. Would you rather they had stuck to the initial plan without changing with the evidence?

 

 

No, not all. Just using those instances to prove that "experts" are not infallible.  Of course they should adapt as they go.

My main gripe is with those who seem to suggest that the general public are incapable of critical thought while the predictions of baffoons like Neil Ferguson,  consistently wrong during this and other pandemics, should be treated as gospel.

[Spellczech]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Why are "scientists" the only profession not judged by results? 

We've been told at various stages of the last 18mths that facemasks don't work, then they are mandatory and essential,  we were informed daily - bored rigid  - by the monotonous hand cleaning regime message, to prevent Covid being transmitted from surfaces, only to now be told it's not spread that way. Indeed only today, tests carried out on trains and buses found absolutely no trace of Covid particles.

That's before we even start about ridiculous graphs forecasting 4k daily deaths, 100k , or even 200(Two hundred)k cases per day.

 

David Begg was a Prof of Town Planning but a taxi driver or bus driver , with real world experience, was far more qualified to discuss the traffic issues, problems and required fixes in Edinburgh.  

 

With respect, you're coming over a bit Gordon Strachan-like implying deferment to the "experts ". "What do supporters know, they've never played the game"

 

A population that doesn't assess, challenge, judge and criticise those in power, is a population that is suppressed.  That is a situation that all governments dream of.

 

 

I've always believed facemasks are like airport security rules about 100ml bottles - just PR to fool people into "feeling safe". How otherwise could you justify limiting  cosmetics bottles to 100ml but allow a person to buy a 1L Molotov cocktail in Duty Free?

 

Scientific progress has always been done by a scientist postulating something and trying to provide empirical evidence to support it, then other scientists read it sceptically and do their own experiments then either disagree or confirm the original thesis...Unfortunately with pandemics none of this really happens and it all just becomes a rush to publish on Twitter or the Daily Mail rather than the science journals... 

 

Why does anyone still listen to Ferguson? or Boris for that matter...

 

My opinion is that the politics has taken over from the science now. It is the politicians who don't want people to holiday abroad this year so they are creating rules and tweaking them to hide that they are really rather nonsensical. All we really need now is Red countries where Covid rates are high AND the health system is unlikely to be able to help you if you need it. Amber, Amber + and Green - all pointless...

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

No, not all. Just using those instances to prove that "experts" are not infallible.  Of course they should adapt as they go.

My main gripe is with those who seem to suggest that the general public are incapable of critical thought while the predictions of baffoons like Neil Ferguson,  consistently wrong during this and other pandemics, should be treated as gospel.

I work with models all the time in my job (sadly, not the living type). All models are wrong as models are a function of their inputs but people ignore things like sensitivity testing and confidence intervals. The performance of a model can only truly be judged by the errors after the fact. However, they are needed as the best guess of future outcomes based on the knowledge of the present situation.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

8 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

I've always believed facemasks are like airport security rules about 100ml bottles - just PR to fool people into "feeling safe". How otherwise could you justify limiting  cosmetics bottles to 100ml but allow a person to buy a 1L Molotov cocktail in Duty Free?

 

Scientific progress has always been done by a scientist postulating something and trying to provide empirical evidence to support it, then other scientists read it sceptically and do their own experiments then either disagree or confirm the original thesis...Unfortunately with pandemics none of this really happens and it all just becomes a rush to publish on Twitter or the Daily Mail rather than the science journals... 

 

Why does anyone still listen to Ferguson? or Boris for that matter...

 

My opinion is that the politics has taken over from the science now. It is the politicians who don't want people to holiday abroad this year so they are creating rules and tweaking them to hide that they are really rather nonsensical. All we really need now is Red countries where Covid rates are high AND the health system is unlikely to be able to help you if you need it. Amber, Amber + and Green - all pointless...

I also believe that the evidence for masks is more psychological than actually anything to do with transmission. They are a pain in the arse and an impost so behaviourally, it encourages less movement and interaction, which is the main measure of transmission. Similarly, the restrictions on them are normally applied at the same time as other restrictions. Therefore, there is a lot of correlation with reductions in spread as opposed to causation.

[Spellczech]

2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

I also believe that the evidence for masks is more psychological than actually anything to do with transmission. They are a pain in the arse and an impost so behaviourally, it encourages less movement and interaction, which is the main measure of transmission. Similarly, the restrictions on them are normally applied at the same time as other restrictions. Therefore, there is a lot of correlation with reductions in spread as opposed to causation.

Indeed one of the most unpleasant things I can ever recall happening to me was someone sneezing on the back of my neck on a bus. It happened pre-Covid and I'll be honest I was very close to turning round and lamping the guy... I get hayfever, and I've found the mask has no effect on that so I spent most of June/July sneezing into masks on occasion - it is very unpleasant BTW! and I am sure if I was the guy on the bus who doesn't cover his mouth when he sneezes, I'd expect to get lamped with or without a mask...

[jack D and coke]

4 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Indeed one of the most unpleasant things I can ever recall happening to me was someone sneezing on the back of my neck on a bus. It happened pre-Covid and I'll be honest I was very close to turning round and lamping the guy... I get hayfever, and I've found the mask has no effect on that so I spent most of June/July sneezing into masks on occasion - it is very unpleasant BTW! and I am sure if I was the guy on the bus who doesn't cover his mouth when he sneezes, I'd expect to get lamped with or without a mask...

Anyone who sneezes or coughs without putting their hand to mouth and turning away deserves death imo. It’s absolutely enrages me to murderous levels.  
This is a pre pandemic. 
Utter scum. 

[Unknown user]

13 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Experts aren’t ****ing fortune tellers, however, they do, generally, understabd the direction of travel better than someone who has used google to search a article to support their view 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Seems obvious right?

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 hours ago, theshed said:

Booked seats on Saturday for 2pm.

Sat waiting till Table was ready at 2.15. 
Then had to download app from

thr table I was sat at and couldn’t get signal so had to join their WiFi ( should have done this on arrival I know) 

 

Anyway after a carry on trying to order a mixer for the vodka the drinks arrived just after 230pm.  
30 mins to get one drink leaving me with 1 hour 30 mins of my booked two hour slot 
 

I asked if the person could just take my order but she said no and to use the app. Was on the verge of just walking out but knew I wouldn’t get in anywhere else so just stayed 

No going back to a pub till I can walk up and order at the bar 

I would have just left the place . 

5 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Got balls like Chewbacca. 👍

What a horrendous image ! Yuck 

5 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

21,952 new positive cases in the UK, the lowest since 29th June.

 

A million cases a week was it not Neil 

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4 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

"The science" encompasses everything from the fantastic work done by Sarah Gilbert and her team at Oxford to the statisticians like Neil Ferguson who can produce any old garbage and still retain the respect of certain sections of the population.

Economics is also a "science" but those particular experts have been given nearly enough airtime.

 

Seeing short term "exponential" growth and continuing the trajectory indefinitely is the stuff of primary school statistics.  It was clear before, it certainly is now with real world evidence, that not everybody is susceptible to catching Covid, with or without mitigations. That has been the biggest flaw in the modelling we have been subjected to, although, as confirmed by SAGE minutes from last year, the idea was to scare people as we "were not frightened enough". In that respect, it could be deemed a success.

The one thing they did do successfully was to scare the living daylights out of people . That was a roaring success 

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Why are "scientists" the only profession not judged by results? 

We've been told at various stages of the last 18mths that facemasks don't work, then they are mandatory and essential,  we were informed daily - bored rigid  - by the monotonous hand cleaning regime message, to prevent Covid being transmitted from surfaces, only to now be told it's not spread that way. Indeed only today, tests carried out on trains and buses found absolutely no trace of Covid particles.

That's before we even start about ridiculous graphs forecasting 4k daily deaths, 100k , or even 200(Two hundred)k cases per day.

 

David Begg was a Prof of Town Planning but a taxi driver or bus driver , with real world experience, was far more qualified to discuss the traffic issues, problems and required fixes in Edinburgh.  

 

With respect, you're coming over a bit Gordon Strachan-like implying deferment to the "experts ". "What do supporters know, they've never played the game"

 

A population that doesn't assess, challenge, judge and criticise those in power, is a population that is suppressed.  That is a situation that all governments dream of.

 

 

I know I could have saved a fortune not buying bleach !!! 😂😂 however it was all part of the scare tactics 

31 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

I've always believed facemasks are like airport security rules about 100ml bottles - just PR to fool people into "feeling safe". How otherwise could you justify limiting  cosmetics bottles to 100ml but allow a person to buy a 1L Molotov cocktail in Duty Free?

 

Scientific progress has always been done by a scientist postulating something and trying to provide empirical evidence to support it, then other scientists read it sceptically and do their own experiments then either disagree or confirm the original thesis...Unfortunately with pandemics none of this really happens and it all just becomes a rush to publish on Twitter or the Daily Mail rather than the science journals... 

 

Why does anyone still listen to Ferguson? or Boris for that matter...

 

My opinion is that the politics has taken over from the science now. It is the politicians who don't want people to holiday abroad this year so they are creating rules and tweaking them to hide that they are really rather nonsensical. All we really need now is Red countries where Covid rates are high AND the health system is unlikely to be able to help you if you need it. Amber, Amber + and Green - all pointless...

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20 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

I also believe that the evidence for masks is more psychological than actually anything to do with transmission. They are a pain in the arse and an impost so behaviourally, it encourages less movement and interaction, which is the main measure of transmission. Similarly, the restrictions on them are normally applied at the same time as other restrictions. Therefore, there is a lot of correlation with reductions in spread as opposed to causation.

I forgot my mask today and felt like a leper on the bus ! 

12 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Indeed one of the most unpleasant things I can ever recall happening to me was someone sneezing on the back of my neck on a bus. It happened pre-Covid and I'll be honest I was very close to turning round and lamping the guy... I get hayfever, and I've found the mask has no effect on that so I spent most of June/July sneezing into masks on occasion - it is very unpleasant BTW! and I am sure if I was the guy on the bus who doesn't cover his mouth when he sneezes, I'd expect to get lamped with or without a mask...

Actually one thing about the pandemic . It has made me reassess the clartiness of buses , in particular in the winter . Never mind the coughing and sneezing but then people all touching the same handrails with all the crap on it . Yuck 

[Enzo Chiefo]

18 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Experts aren’t ****ing fortune tellers, however, they do, generally, understabd the direction of travel better than someone who has used google to search a article to support their view 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Each to their own, and I'm not sure if you were referring to me, but I don't understand why people would search Google, nor the cess pit of Twitter, to support their view.

Everyone should be assessing the evidence that is available in real time and a blend of critical thinking, logic and common sense is all you need to formulate a viewpoint. 

Disagree about "experts" knowing the "direction of travel". In this case, cases are heading due South while they were forecasting the polar opposite.

The judgment of Boris Johnson, in this case, appears to have been more accurate tbf.

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Most blokes with long hair are utter helmets tbf. 

Disagree . French accent ! Kilt . Long hair 

 

 

[Unknown user]

It's like trying to teach a dog a card trick

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Spellczech said:

I've always believed facemasks are like airport security rules about 100ml bottles - just PR to fool people into "feeling safe". How otherwise could you justify limiting  cosmetics bottles to 100ml but allow a person to buy a 1L Molotov cocktail in Duty Free?

 

Scientific progress has always been done by a scientist postulating something and trying to provide empirical evidence to support it, then other scientists read it sceptically and do their own experiments then either disagree or confirm the original thesis...Unfortunately with pandemics none of this really happens and it all just becomes a rush to publish on Twitter or the Daily Mail rather than the science journals... 

 

Why does anyone still listen to Ferguson? or Boris for that matter...

 

My opinion is that the politics has taken over from the science now. It is the politicians who don't want people to holiday abroad this year so they are creating rules and tweaking them to hide that they are really rather nonsensical. All we really need now is Red countries where Covid rates are high AND the health system is unlikely to be able to help you if you need it. Amber, Amber + and Green - all pointless...

Yes, I agree, Spellczech.  

A lot of the decisions now are designed for population "nudge" purposes including the ridiculous rules and obstacles surrounding international travel. 

Quite clearly, the Govt want everyone to "staycate" this year in order to support UK businesses and boost the economy. 

However, it's an expensive business to holiday in the UK right now and, having travelled the length of the country, from Dorset , in early June, negotiating the road networks requires a great deal of time and patience. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

56 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Anyone who sneezes or coughs without putting their hand to mouth and turning away deserves death imo. It’s absolutely enrages me to murderous levels.  
This is a pre pandemic. 
Utter scum. 

It’s amazing the amount of people who still do this ! Filthy 

[stevie1874]

9 hours ago, theshed said:

Booked seats on Saturday for 2pm.

Sat waiting till Table was ready at 2.15. 
Then had to download app from

thr table I was sat at and couldn’t get signal so had to join their WiFi ( should have done this on arrival I know) 

 

Anyway after a carry on trying to order a mixer for the vodka the drinks arrived just after 230pm.  
30 mins to get one drink leaving me with 1 hour 30 mins of my booked two hour slot 
 

I asked if the person could just take my order but she said no and to use the app. Was on the verge of just walking out but knew I wouldn’t get in anywhere else so just stayed 

No going back to a pub till I can walk up and order at the bar 

Where was this if I may ask because I’ve been in a couple of pubs and refused to download the app and they’ve been fine taking an order at the table. But I’m with you on going to the bar 👍

[Unknown user]

4 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

 

It was a general comment and wasn’t aimed at anyone in particular. However, I am uncomfortable with the anti expert stance;  that some come out with. It is not a form of logic that stands up to much scrutiny. 

 

When I’m ill I go to the doctor, when one of my cars is playing up I take it to the garage, when the mutt is ill I take her  to the vet. I take advice from people who know more than me for all manner of my life. They’re, not perfect but I understand they know more than me. 

 

The govt will have all manners of advisors and what not; all of them will not agree. That is the skill in govt/management is picking the right opinions. Neil Ferguson, getting a model ‘wrong’, when most people can’t even understand modelling isn’t really justification to **** experts out the window. 

 

Believing experts advice is worthless because they got something wrong previously, is daft. 

 

Experts don’t predict the future they provide advice. (Models don’t predict the future outside set parameters, thats aren't real)  What’s done with that advice is the key. I personally think our govts both UK and Scot have been terribly on that front. 

 

Ignoring expert advice on the basis they got something wrong in the past, especially when you ignore all they have got right, isn’t a smart move imo.

 

 

It's not a smart move, but we're dealing with people who start posts with things like "Why are "scientists" the only profession not judged by results?"

 

It's utterly laughable, an extension of the same anti intellectualism we all pointed and laughed at in Trumpian US.

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

It's not a smart move, but we're dealing with people who start posts with things like "Why are "scientists" the only profession not judged by results?"

 

It's utterly laughable, an extension of the same anti intellectualism we all pointed and laughed at in Trumpian US.

Your type always rese