Салатные палочки Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 36 minutes ago, jonesy said: I'd like to see some form of tournament to decide. Perhaps this would sort them out? that's the exact one we had at my grans. Always descended into a spit fight between the cousins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 12 hours ago, jack D and coke said: How do you convince someone like back to 2005? Is it possible or it just a lost cause? He isn’t alone there’s probably plenty reading his posts and in full agreement. At least he’s got the balls to say it tbh. I had to take a big step back from the conspiracy "theories" in the past few weeks as it was actually beginning to effect my mental health and I'm not exaggerating there. It's a scary road to go down. I don't think some people can be convinced by others. They believe what they want to believe and fair play to them for that. I'm more than willing to believe people who are far more intellectual and educated than myself on here than I am to believe something someone has sent me from a faceless twitter or Facebook account. That's meant me having to go back on a lot of things I have said and committed to in the past. I'm double jabbed myself but I still have reservations about my kids being vaccinated and the restrictions, I that will eventually get better over time. I want to get on with my life and have my freedom back. If that makes me a sheep then I'm willing to accept that. Life is too short to lose yourself down that rabbit hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: I want to get on with my life and have my freedom back. If that makes me a sheep then I'm willing to accept that. Life is too short to lose yourself down that rabbit hole. Of course it doesn't make you a sheep. The term "sheep" is merely used as a term by conspiracy theory believers to attempt to denigrate those who don't share their beliefs. It gives them a kind of false Matrix-type confidence that they are somehow fighting against a controlling all-powerful enemy, whereas everyone else is in cahoots with that enemy. Simply, the use of the term helps to perpetuate the illusions that they harbour. Sheep, my erse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 47 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: We're in level 0. There are barely any restrictions at all any more. Barely any restrictions ? I suppose if you ignore the restrictions on opening hours, how many people can socialise, what businesses can open, who can go into the office, how many people can go to the football or other events including weddings and funerals, having to wear masks, where you can go on holiday, who can visit the uk, isolation if someone farts near you etc etc. Roll on level -1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, jonesy said: ...indicated the Welshman looking to spice things up in the bedroom. It's always magnanimous to give your lover a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dazo said: Barely any restrictions ? I suppose if you ignore the restrictions on opening hours, how many people can socialise, what businesses can open, who can go into the office, how many people can go to the football or other events including weddings and funerals, having to wear masks, where you can go on holiday, who can visit the uk, isolation if someone farts near you etc etc. Roll on level -1. From my point of view everything is cool. 🍺👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Scottish numbers: 29 July 2021 Summary 1,398 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+219; down from 1,825 a week ago] 33,679 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+5,411] 4.6% of these were positive [-0.2%] 13 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+4] 60 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-3] 490 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+16] 4,005,421 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,145,017 have received their second dose [+2,518; +19,327] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Dazo said: Barely any restrictions ? I suppose if you ignore the restrictions on opening hours, how many people can socialise, what businesses can open, who can go into the office, how many people can go to the football or other events including weddings and funerals, having to wear masks, where you can go on holiday, who can visit the uk, isolation if someone farts near you etc etc. Roll on level -1. Compared to what we went through when under full lockdown, yeah, barely any. You wouldn't expect to notice any of those while walking around the west end of Princes Street during the middle of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, redjambo said: Scottish numbers: 29 July 2021 Summary 1,398 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+219; down from 1,825 a week ago] 33,679 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+5,411] 4.6% of these were positive [-0.2%] 13 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+4] 60 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-3] 490 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+16] 4,005,421 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,145,017 have received their second dose [+2,518; +19,327] Back under 5% Great news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 26 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: From my point of view everything is cool. 🍺👍 Same here. 🍻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 No pissing about in Bhutan https://uk.yahoo.com/news/bhutan-fully-vaccinated-90-eligible-091204575.html The Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan with a tiny population of 800,000 administered 454,000 shots in the last seven days, which is more than 85 per cent of its adult population, its health ministry said on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 The latest trend stats. A modest decrease in the overall case rate but a mixed bag around the councils themselves. The positivity rate continuing to decrease, as are deaths. The number of hospitalised Covid patients pausing in their decline, ICU patients continuing to increase however. Second vaccinations starting to increase now. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 27 Jul 26 Jul 25 Jul 24 Jul 23 Jul ... 1 May Scotland 159 166 -7 176 186 194 204 222 ... 22 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 230 238 -8 192 162 147 143 151 ... 0 West Dunbartonshire 4 229 232 -3 237 238 238 229 247 ... 28 North Lanarkshire 4 206 217 -11 226 238 254 260 288 ... 40 East Lothian 4 196 216 -20 216 228 245 255 278 ... 5 South Lanarkshire 4 194 189 +5 180 189 192 199 210 ... 18 Clackmannanshire 4 193 189 +4 187 183 189 193 203 ... 14 Glasgow City 4 187 206 -19 224 229 233 244 261 ... 33 Inverclyde 4 186 186 0 197 204 199 209 219 ... 15 Midlothian 4 176 180 -4 211 224 257 277 318 ... 10 West Lothian 4 174 187 -13 188 194 200 223 254 ... 26 Dundee City 4 165 170 -5 182 201 202 238 245 ... 13 Fife 4 162 167 -5 171 188 197 206 226 ... 32 Edinburgh City 4 159 173 -14 183 203 223 239 261 ... 27 Stirling 4 158 171 -13 182 169 173 164 188 ... 11 North Ayrshire 4 157 164 -7 156 154 142 127 133 ... 17 Falkirk 3 149 152 -3 165 168 186 189 220 ... 23 Renfrewshire 3 147 152 -5 163 166 178 191 210 ... 20 Aberdeen City 3 141 148 -7 152 165 172 178 195 ... 13 East Ayrshire 3 141 156 -15 164 172 185 189 185 ... 45 Scottish Borders 3 141 144 -3 150 162 155 148 155 ... 6 East Renfrewshire 3 136 148 -12 160 182 207 236 259 ... 24 Dumfries & Galloway 3 133 121 +12 130 146 148 146 169 ... 19 Highland 3 130 121 +9 133 137 138 149 160 ... 9 South Ayrshire 3 130 134 -4 144 151 169 178 200 ... 25 Shetland Islands 3 122 122 0 171 171 153 157 157 ... 0 Moray 3 121 129 -8 139 137 135 141 157 ... 65 Angus 3 116 119 -3 133 157 161 178 189 ... 7 Argyll & Bute 3 114 130 -16 150 176 177 165 183 ... 7 East Dunbartonshire 3 106 111 -5 130 137 169 190 215 ... 51 Perth & Kinross 3 104 116 -12 132 154 167 182 208 ... 22 Aberdeenshire 3 94 99 -5 108 113 116 121 132 ... 8 Orkney Islands 2 40 49 -9 54 49 54 36 31 ... 0 7-day averages Today Yesterday 27 Jul 26 Jul 25 Jul 24 Jul 23 Jul ... 1 May Tests 23430 23373 +57 23829 23612 23901 24079 24904 ... 18484 Cases 1239 1300 -61 1372 1452 1518 1589 1734 ... 171 Positivity rate % 5.9 6.2 -0.3 6.4 6.8 7.0 7.3 7.7 ... 1.1 Deaths 6.6 7.9 -1.3 7.6 8.4 8.4 8.4 7.4 ... 1.3 All Vaccinations 18891 18716 +175 18581 18576 19217 19217 19061 ... 45346 1st Dose 2213 2261 -48 2318 2382 3012 3551 4118 ... 6677 2nd Dose 16678 16455 +223 16263 16194 16205 15666 14943 ... 38669 All in hospital 482 481 +1 489 497 506 510 516 ... 81 Non-ICU 420 420 0 429 440 451 458 466 ... 70 ICU 62 61 +1 60 57 55 52 50 ... 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Dazo said: Same here. 🍻 I do understand the frustration that affects other people with some restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, redjambo said: The latest trend stats. A modest decrease in the overall case rate but a mixed bag around the councils themselves. The positivity rate continuing to decrease, as are deaths. The number of hospitalised Covid patients pausing in their decline, ICU patients continuing to increase however. Second vaccinations starting to increase now. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 27 Jul 26 Jul 25 Jul 24 Jul 23 Jul ... 1 May Scotland 159 166 -7 176 186 194 204 222 ... 22 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 230 238 -8 192 162 147 143 151 ... 0 West Dunbartonshire 4 229 232 -3 237 238 238 229 247 ... 28 North Lanarkshire 4 206 217 -11 226 238 254 260 288 ... 40 East Lothian 4 196 216 -20 216 228 245 255 278 ... 5 South Lanarkshire 4 194 189 +5 180 189 192 199 210 ... 18 Clackmannanshire 4 193 189 +4 187 183 189 193 203 ... 14 Glasgow City 4 187 206 -19 224 229 233 244 261 ... 33 Inverclyde 4 186 186 0 197 204 199 209 219 ... 15 Midlothian 4 176 180 -4 211 224 257 277 318 ... 10 West Lothian 4 174 187 -13 188 194 200 223 254 ... 26 Dundee City 4 165 170 -5 182 201 202 238 245 ... 13 Fife 4 162 167 -5 171 188 197 206 226 ... 32 Edinburgh City 4 159 173 -14 183 203 223 239 261 ... 27 Stirling 4 158 171 -13 182 169 173 164 188 ... 11 North Ayrshire 4 157 164 -7 156 154 142 127 133 ... 17 Falkirk 3 149 152 -3 165 168 186 189 220 ... 23 Renfrewshire 3 147 152 -5 163 166 178 191 210 ... 20 Aberdeen City 3 141 148 -7 152 165 172 178 195 ... 13 East Ayrshire 3 141 156 -15 164 172 185 189 185 ... 45 Scottish Borders 3 141 144 -3 150 162 155 148 155 ... 6 East Renfrewshire 3 136 148 -12 160 182 207 236 259 ... 24 Dumfries & Galloway 3 133 121 +12 130 146 148 146 169 ... 19 Highland 3 130 121 +9 133 137 138 149 160 ... 9 South Ayrshire 3 130 134 -4 144 151 169 178 200 ... 25 Shetland Islands 3 122 122 0 171 171 153 157 157 ... 0 Moray 3 121 129 -8 139 137 135 141 157 ... 65 Angus 3 116 119 -3 133 157 161 178 189 ... 7 Argyll & Bute 3 114 130 -16 150 176 177 165 183 ... 7 East Dunbartonshire 3 106 111 -5 130 137 169 190 215 ... 51 Perth & Kinross 3 104 116 -12 132 154 167 182 208 ... 22 Aberdeenshire 3 94 99 -5 108 113 116 121 132 ... 8 Orkney Islands 2 40 49 -9 54 49 54 36 31 ... 0 7-day averages Today Yesterday 27 Jul 26 Jul 25 Jul 24 Jul 23 Jul ... 1 May Tests 23430 23373 +57 23829 23612 23901 24079 24904 ... 18484 Cases 1239 1300 -61 1372 1452 1518 1589 1734 ... 171 Positivity rate % 5.9 6.2 -0.3 6.4 6.8 7.0 7.3 7.7 ... 1.1 Deaths 6.6 7.9 -1.3 7.6 8.4 8.4 8.4 7.4 ... 1.3 All Vaccinations 18891 18716 +175 18581 18576 19217 19217 19061 ... 45346 1st Dose 2213 2261 -48 2318 2382 3012 3551 4118 ... 6677 2nd Dose 16678 16455 +223 16263 16194 16205 15666 14943 ... 38669 All in hospital 482 481 +1 489 497 506 510 516 ... 81 Non-ICU 420 420 0 429 440 451 458 466 ... 70 ICU 62 61 +1 60 57 55 52 50 ... 11 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, The Real Maroonblood said: I do understand the frustration that affects other people with some restrictions. From a business perspective it must be brutal, on a personal level it all seems a little needless and frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Dazo said: From a business perspective it must be brutal, on a personal level it all seems a little needless and frustrating. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, fancy a brew said: In what ways do you think the scientific consensus shifted? Policies have certainly shifted, you might even say flip flopped (eg masks), but with a novel virus there was precious little knowledge, far less a consensus. New Zealand and Sweden both had access to the same science, but implemented radically different policies. I'm not saying either was right or wrong, but if there was a consensus surely they'd both follow it. Speaking of highly respected scientists, I see professor of evidence Carl Heneghan has been editing all the 'evidence' out of his Twitter account. 🤔 i think the original poster used “consensus” - if policies (or apparently most popular policies) is a better word /phrase then I’m happy to go with that - it wasn’t a criticism of the scientists more an indication of the changing landscape (as you say) so people coming on saying A is right would be / would have been better being a bit less definite of it and a bit less dismissive of other views regarding the twitter thing I wouldn’t know nor am I sufficiently interested - I’m almost certain that there was talk on here of that Devi lady doing similar a while back - it didn’t make my day or anything not sure I even posted in the subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Dazo said: Barely any restrictions ? I suppose if you ignore the restrictions on opening hours, how many people can socialise, what businesses can open, who can go into the office, how many people can go to the football or other events including weddings and funerals, having to wear masks, where you can go on holiday, who can visit the uk, isolation if someone farts near you etc etc. Roll on level -1. Nail on head ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 45 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Compared to what we went through when under full lockdown, yeah, barely any. You wouldn't expect to notice any of those while walking around the west end of Princes Street during the middle of the day. Compared to then of course but when you say there are barely any restrictions it is a massive disservice to the business that can’t open or trade normally, people still waiting for hospital appointments or people who can’t see family go to weddings etc or go into the office. Which must be horrendous for people who live alone. Yep it’s a lot better but let’s not play done the impact it still has on people. We need to stop playing at our kid on level zero and lift things properly. Hopefully August 9th is that date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Ray Gin said: We're in level 0. There are barely any restrictions at all any more. Your relentless defence of the Scottish government is as predictable as it is nonsense. This isn’t even nearly all the current list of restrictions for level ZERO and you say there are barely any restrictions. Level 0: what you can do At Level 0: you can meet friends and family socially in groups: of up to 8 people from 4 households in your home or theirs – and can stay overnight of up to 10 people from 4 households in an indoor public place like a café, pub or restaurant. Hospitality settings will be required to close at midnight of up to 15 people from 15 households outdoors under 12s do not count towards the total number of people meeting outside or indoors you do not need to physically distance from family and friends in a private home or outdoors. However, your gathering should maintain at least 1m distance from all others you need to maintain at least 1m distance from other households in all indoor public settings you can travel anywhere in Scotland you can travel anywhere in England, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands - before you travel you must check the travel rules in those countries you can provide informal childcare, for example to look after a grandchild up to 200 people can attend weddings and funerals you can take part in any sport or exercise activity, including adult indoor contact sports tradespeople can carry out any work in your home such as painting, decorating or repairing you should continue to work from home where possible Testing Everyone is encouraged to get tested, as around 1 in 3 people with COVID-19 do not have symptoms. Testing is free and results are available in around 30 minutes. Read guidance on getting tested. What can open at Level 0 Places and business that can open at Level 0 include: cafés, pubs and restaurants all shops and stores all close contact services including hairdressers, barbers and beauty salons all sport and exercise tourist accommodation all visitor attractions all public buildings like libraries and community centres all entertainment (apart from nightclubs and adult entertainment) stadiums and events – with maximum numbers What must close at Level 0 Places and business that must close at Level 0 include: nightclubs and adult entertainment This is not a full list. You can get more information in the sections below. Open all sections Meeting others indoors At home The maximum number of people who can meet socially indoors in a private dwelling (in a home) is 8 which can be from 4 households, including for overnight stays. Children under the age of 12 do not count towards the total number of people permitted to meet. You can also go into another person’s house for certain essential reasons, such as for essential work, to join your extended household or to provide care and support for a vulnerable person. This can include providing emotional support for someone whose wellbeing is at risk, including for those who are isolated because of disability or a caring responsibility or where they are a parent or carer of a child under one. When you meet people from another household indoors you: do not need to physically distance from family and friends in a private home should minimise the number of meetings you have with people from other households each day should maintain hand and cough hygiene should avoid touching hard surfaces with your hands should wash your hands when you arrive, when you leave, when you get home and especially before eating or after touching surfaces should not share food or utensils should keep rooms well ventilated, if possible – consider opening windows or a door Meeting others indoors in a public place (such as a bar or café) The maximum number of people who can meet socially indoors in a public place (not a home) is 10 which can be from up to 4 separate households. Children under the age of 12 do not count towards the total number of people permitted to meet. Children under 12 do not need to maintain physical distance from others. Those at a higher risk of severe illness from coronavirus (including those who had been shielding, people 70 and over, people who are pregnant and people with an underlying medical condition) should strictly follow the physical distancing guidance. Stay at least 1 metre apart from anyone who is not part of your household. Meeting others outdoors The maximum number of people who can meet friends and family socially outdoors in a private garden or in a public place such as a park or an outdoor area of a café is 15 which can be from up to 15 separate households. This applies to anyone aged 12 or over. One metre physical distancing should be maintained between anyone who is not part of your family and friends gathering. Children under the age of 12 do not count towards the total number of people or households in a gathering. Children under 12 do not need to maintain physical distance from others. You should: minimise the number of meetings you have with people from other households each day stay at least 1 metre away from anyone who is not part of your friends and family grouping maintain hand and cough hygiene avoid touching hard surfaces with your hands wash your hands when you arrive, when you leave, when you get home and especially before eating or after touching surfaces not share food or utensils Those at a higher risk of severe illness from coronavirus (including those who had been shielding, people 70 and over, people who are pregnant and people with an underlying medical condition) should strictly follow the physical distancing guidance. Extended households An extended household is a support network that joins two households. You can form an extended household with another household of any size if you: live by yourself are a single parent where all others in your household are under 18 years old are part of a couple who lives apart – including any children you each live with Read more about extended households. Shared parenting Where parents do not live in the same household, children can move between their parents’ homes. Read more: shared parenting during coronavirus on Parent Club update to guidance on compliance with court orders relating to parental responsibilities and rights on Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service website guidance for child contact centre providers during coronavirus Hospitality Consumption of food and alcoholic drinks – hospitality premises are permitted to open from 04:00 (for airport airside) to midnight. The hospitality sector should follow: sector guidance for tourism and hospitality The maximum number of people you can meet indoors in a restaurant, café, pub or bar is 10 which can be from up to 4 separate households. The maximum number of people you can meet outdoors in a restaurant, café, pub or bar is 15 which can be from up to 15 separate households. Children under the age of 12 do not count towards the total number of people who can meet. Table service and the wearing of face-coverings (unless exempt) when not seated by all customers is mandatory in all hospitality venues. When meeting people from more than one other household, you should think beforehand about what size of table you will need to keep physically distanced between members of your group. The venue you are visiting should be able to advise you of booking options. You will be asked by the venue to provide your contact details (for each person) for Test and Protect purposes. This information is retained for 21 days with a view to sharing with Test and Protect Teams, if required. You should stay at least 1 metre apart from people not in your household, indoors in a public place at all times. Physical distancing and good hand hygiene remain the most effective measures in reducing the transmission of COVID-19. Physical distancing needs to be maintained, where reasonably practicable, at all times, including when waiting to enter premises and when seated. Takeaways can operate as normal. Hotels and other accommodation providers can still serve food to guests staying in their premises. Room service, including alcohol, is allowed as normal. Holiday accommodation All holiday accommodation (hotels, B&Bs, self-catering, hostels caravan and camping sites) can open in line with sector guidance for tourism and hospitality. In self-catered or other unregulated (unstaffed) accommodation, in-house socialising rules apply. In Level 0, a maximum of 8 people from up to 4 households can socialise in a private dwelling. Children under the age of 12 from these households do not count towards the total number of people permitted to meet. In public spaces within regulated (staffed) tourist accommodation, the rules about socialising in an indoors public place apply. In Level 0, a maximum of 10 people from up to 4 households can socialise indoors in a public place. Children under the age of 12 from these households do not count towards the total number of people permitted to meet. Workers accommodation Please see: guidance on workers’ accommodation Travel and transport Shopping All retailers can open. They should follow and have implemented Scottish Government guidance to ensure the safety of customers and staff. Read more: guidance for the retail sector guidance for retail customers guidance for food businesses Whilst retailers will implement procedures to ensure the safety of customers and staff, it is an individual’s responsibility to ensure they comply with the following guidance: do not visit any retail premises if you have tested positive or have developed any of the COVID-19 symptoms you must wear a face covering when you go into any retail premises including any indoor area of a shopping centre, unless exempt. Read the face covering guidance maintain 1 metre physical distance between other people not in your household you must follow direction signs, customer flow systems and shop capacities as indicated by the retailer during this period adults, unless accompanying a vulnerable person or a child or children under 18, should shop alone In order to keep transmission rates as low as possible, you are also advised to: avoid crowded shops. Try to avoid times when shops will be busy. If you do not think you can maintain physical distancing in a shop, go back later. visit stores that are using infection control measures and use the available hand sanitiser and sanitising stations try to avoid touching goods unless you intend to buy them be polite. Please ensure that you are considerate to retail staff and abide by their guidance and instructions, including removing your face covering if requested for proof of age. Restrictions on travel for non-permitted activities into Level 3 or 4 areas remain in place. Non-essential shopping is not an exception to this. You should only travel into a Level 3 or 4 area for essential shopping if there are no practical alternatives in your area. Close contact services All close contact services, including mobile, may operate providing they follow Scottish Government guidance to ensure the safety of customers and staff. Those providing such services are now able to travel and undertake these services across Scotland. Read more: guidance for close contact services checklist for close contact services Close contact services include: hairdressing and barbers beauty and nail services (including make-up) hair removal tattoo, piercing and body modification fashion design, dress-fitting and tailoring indoor portrait photography and art services massage therapies complementary and alternative medicine services requiring physical contact or close physical proximity between persons, but not osteopathy and chiropractic services spa and wellness services other services or procedures which require physical contact or close physical proximity between a provider and a customer and are not ancillary to medical, health, or social care services Whilst close contact retail service providers will implement mandated safety procedures to ensure the safety of customers and staff,it is an individual’s responsibility to ensure they comply with the following guidance: people should not visit any close contact service premises if they have tested positive or have developed any of the COVID-19 symptoms face coverings should be worn at all times by staff and customers, unless they are exempt. Read the face covering guidance. Close contact service providers cannot provide any service within the high-risk zone, such as a facial or beard trim or other procedures which requires a customer to remove their face covering close contact service premises may have a maximum capacity so customers should arrive at the time of their appointment and be prepared to queue outside customers should stay at least 1 metre apart when not undergoing any treatment that makes this requirement impossible Customers should be asked for contact details for Test and Protect purposes. This information should be collected in a safe and secure manner, which is compliant with data protection legislation and in line with existing guidance. Going to work/working from home People are advised to work from home wherever that is practicable. By law, employers must take all reasonable steps to minimise the risk of the incidence and spread of coronavirus. Supporting employees to work from home where possible is an important part of that. Read further information: coronavirus; working from home guidance Businesses which provide essential services can continue to operate, such as those in the Critical National Infrastructure (CNI) sector, courts and tribunals. There are 13 designated CNI sectors including agriculture and food production, activity to maintain the food supply chain, energy and transport. Not all CNI activity will be essential. Those operations which can be done effectively through home working should be adopted. A gradual return to offices can begin when the country moves beyond Level 0. Further guidance on this is available at: Coronavirus (COVID-19): returning to offices Tradespeople, home repairs, and working in someone else’s home Read further information and guidance on working in other people’s homes Tradespeople can work in other people’s homes providing they follow guidance on working safely. This includes all in-home workers such as utility engineers, domestic cleaners, furniture delivery and installations. Mobile close contact services such as hairdressers or beauticians must follow separate guidance for mobile close contact services. Tradespeople who deliver goods or services to homes and businesses can travel between all levels for work purposes. Stadia and events Outdoor seated and open space events are advised to operate with a maximum capacity of 2,000 people. Outdoor grouped standing events are advised to operate with a maximum capacity of 1,000 people. Seated indoor events are advised to operate with a maximum of 400 people. Read more: events sector guidance calculating physical distancing capacity in public settings Higher capacities may be permitted if agreed by the relevant local authority authority/Scottish Government. Guidance for event planners and venue operators is available at: Coronavirus (COVID-19) stadia and live events guidance Sports and exercise All organised sports and exercise activities for all age groups are permitted, provided appropriate safety measures are followed. Sports organisations will need to refer to guidance produced by their Scottish Governing Body of Sport and ensure they operate in line with the guidance. sport and physical activity guidance. guidance for coaches, leaders, personal trainers and instructors Leisure and entertainment Nightclubs and adult entertainment venues must be closed, (except for use in limited circumstances). All other leisure and entertainment businesses can be open, and should operate line with guidance, physical distancing duties, face covering regulations and other hygiene measures. Seated indoor events are permitted with a maximum of 400 people. Guidance is being produced which may allow higher capacities to be agreed with the local authority/ Scottish Government depending on the event. Read more: events sector guidance calculating physical distancing capacity in public settings You must ensure that you follow the rules on meeting friends and family when visiting such leisure venues. Film and TV production can continue to take place. All such activity must be done in compliance with industry guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Salad Fingers said: I had to take a big step back from the conspiracy "theories" in the past few weeks as it was actually beginning to effect my mental health and I'm not exaggerating there. It's a scary road to go down. I don't think some people can be convinced by others. They believe what they want to believe and fair play to them for that. I'm more than willing to believe people who are far more intellectual and educated than myself on here than I am to believe something someone has sent me from a faceless twitter or Facebook account. That's meant me having to go back on a lot of things I have said and committed to in the past. I'm double jabbed myself but I still have reservations about my kids being vaccinated and the restrictions, I that will eventually get better over time. I want to get on with my life and have my freedom back. If that makes me a sheep then I'm willing to accept that. Life is too short to lose yourself down that rabbit hole. I don’t doubt that for a second. I’m not saying I’ve never sort of half believed any of it but it’s relief when you manage to let it go. It’s a miserable life believing that absolute nonsense. None of us want jags etc but would be great if we could all get our lives back and also for the likes of my kid so I’m willing to do my bit. She was all set to go travelling through Europe until this happened. I’ve had plenty fun I suppose but they’ve lost a lot already and I done it for her as well so that maybe she can still travel the way we did. I’ve chilled out over the whole thing but I wouldn’t tolerate it for ever and I think that’s what some people think. I’ve taken the jabs and accepted the lock downs etc but I want to start moving again👍🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, jonesy said: ...indicated the Welshman looking to spice things up in the bedroom. I was "Outraged from Dunfermline" after reading your Keechie Breek tosh, however, you redeemed yourself 10 fold with that post, you brightened an otherwise glum working afternoon for me, actual guffaws. Bravo 👏👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Your relentless defence of the Scottish government is as predictable as it is nonsense. This isn’t even nearly all the current list of restrictions for level ZERO and you say there are barely any restrictions. Level 0: what you can do At Level 0: you can meet friends and family socially in groups: of up to 8 people from 4 households in your home or theirs – and can stay overnight of up to 10 people from 4 households in an indoor public place like a café, pub or restaurant. Hospitality settings will be required to close at midnight of up to 15 people from 15 households outdoors under 12s do not count towards the total number of people meeting outside or indoors you do not need to physically distance from family and friends in a private home or outdoors. However, your gathering should maintain at least 1m distance from all others you need to maintain at least 1m distance from other households in all indoor public settings you can travel anywhere in Scotland you can travel anywhere in England, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands - before you travel you must check the travel rules in those countries you can provide informal childcare, for example to look after a grandchild up to 200 people can attend weddings and funerals you can take part in any sport or exercise activity, including adult indoor contact sports tradespeople can carry out any work in your home such as painting, decorating or repairing you should continue to work from home where possible Testing Everyone is encouraged to get tested, as around 1 in 3 people with COVID-19 do not have symptoms. Testing is free and results are available in around 30 minutes. Read guidance on getting tested. What can open at Level 0 Places and business that can open at Level 0 include: cafés, pubs and restaurants all shops and stores all close contact services including hairdressers, barbers and beauty salons all sport and exercise tourist accommodation all visitor attractions all public buildings like libraries and community centres all entertainment (apart from nightclubs and adult entertainment) stadiums and events – with maximum numbers What must close at Level 0 Places and business that must close at Level 0 include: nightclubs and adult entertainment This is not a full list. You can get more information in the sections below. Open all sections Meeting others indoors At home The maximum number of people who can meet socially indoors in a private dwelling (in a home) is 8 which can be from 4 households, including for overnight stays. Children under the age of 12 do not count towards the total number of people permitted to meet. You can also go into another person’s house for certain essential reasons, such as for essential work, to join your extended household or to provide care and support for a vulnerable person. This can include providing emotional support for someone whose wellbeing is at risk, including for those who are isolated because of disability or a caring responsibility or where they are a parent or carer of a child under one. When you meet people from another household indoors you: do not need to physically distance from family and friends in a private home should minimise the number of meetings you have with people from other households each day should maintain hand and cough hygiene should avoid touching hard surfaces with your hands should wash your hands when you arrive, when you leave, when you get home and especially before eating or after touching surfaces should not share food or utensils should keep rooms well ventilated, if possible – consider opening windows or a door Meeting others indoors in a public place (such as a bar or café) The maximum number of people who can meet socially indoors in a public place (not a home) is 10 which can be from up to 4 separate households. Children under the age of 12 do not count towards the total number of people permitted to meet. Children under 12 do not need to maintain physical distance from others. Those at a higher risk of severe illness from coronavirus (including those who had been shielding, people 70 and over, people who are pregnant and people with an underlying medical condition) should strictly follow the physical distancing guidance. Stay at least 1 metre apart from anyone who is not part of your household. Meeting others outdoors The maximum number of people who can meet friends and family socially outdoors in a private garden or in a public place such as a park or an outdoor area of a café is 15 which can be from up to 15 separate households. This applies to anyone aged 12 or over. One metre physical distancing should be maintained between anyone who is not part of your family and friends gathering. Children under the age of 12 do not count towards the total number of people or households in a gathering. Children under 12 do not need to maintain physical distance from others. You should: minimise the number of meetings you have with people from other households each day stay at least 1 metre away from anyone who is not part of your friends and family grouping maintain hand and cough hygiene avoid touching hard surfaces with your hands wash your hands when you arrive, when you leave, when you get home and especially before eating or after touching surfaces not share food or utensils Those at a higher risk of severe illness from coronavirus (including those who had been shielding, people 70 and over, people who are pregnant and people with an underlying medical condition) should strictly follow the physical distancing guidance. Extended households An extended household is a support network that joins two households. You can form an extended household with another household of any size if you: live by yourself are a single parent where all others in your household are under 18 years old are part of a couple who lives apart – including any children you each live with Read more about extended households. Shared parenting Where parents do not live in the same household, children can move between their parents’ homes. Read more: shared parenting during coronavirus on Parent Club update to guidance on compliance with court orders relating to parental responsibilities and rights on Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service website guidance for child contact centre providers during coronavirus Hospitality Consumption of food and alcoholic drinks – hospitality premises are permitted to open from 04:00 (for airport airside) to midnight. The hospitality sector should follow: sector guidance for tourism and hospitality The maximum number of people you can meet indoors in a restaurant, café, pub or bar is 10 which can be from up to 4 separate households. The maximum number of people you can meet outdoors in a restaurant, café, pub or bar is 15 which can be from up to 15 separate households. Children under the age of 12 do not count towards the total number of people who can meet. Table service and the wearing of face-coverings (unless exempt) when not seated by all customers is mandatory in all hospitality venues. When meeting people from more than one other household, you should think beforehand about what size of table you will need to keep physically distanced between members of your group. The venue you are visiting should be able to advise you of booking options. You will be asked by the venue to provide your contact details (for each person) for Test and Protect purposes. This information is retained for 21 days with a view to sharing with Test and Protect Teams, if required. You should stay at least 1 metre apart from people not in your household, indoors in a public place at all times. Physical distancing and good hand hygiene remain the most effective measures in reducing the transmission of COVID-19. Physical distancing needs to be maintained, where reasonably practicable, at all times, including when waiting to enter premises and when seated. Takeaways can operate as normal. Hotels and other accommodation providers can still serve food to guests staying in their premises. Room service, including alcohol, is allowed as normal. Holiday accommodation All holiday accommodation (hotels, B&Bs, self-catering, hostels caravan and camping sites) can open in line with sector guidance for tourism and hospitality. In self-catered or other unregulated (unstaffed) accommodation, in-house socialising rules apply. In Level 0, a maximum of 8 people from up to 4 households can socialise in a private dwelling. Children under the age of 12 from these households do not count towards the total number of people permitted to meet. In public spaces within regulated (staffed) tourist accommodation, the rules about socialising in an indoors public place apply. In Level 0, a maximum of 10 people from up to 4 households can socialise indoors in a public place. Children under the age of 12 from these households do not count towards the total number of people permitted to meet. Workers accommodation Please see: guidance on workers’ accommodation Travel and transport Shopping All retailers can open. They should follow and have implemented Scottish Government guidance to ensure the safety of customers and staff. Read more: guidance for the retail sector guidance for retail customers guidance for food businesses Whilst retailers will implement procedures to ensure the safety of customers and staff, it is an individual’s responsibility to ensure they comply with the following guidance: do not visit any retail premises if you have tested positive or have developed any of the COVID-19 symptoms you must wear a face covering when you go into any retail premises including any indoor area of a shopping centre, unless exempt. Read the face covering guidance maintain 1 metre physical distance between other people not in your household you must follow direction signs, customer flow systems and shop capacities as indicated by the retailer during this period adults, unless accompanying a vulnerable person or a child or children under 18, should shop alone In order to keep transmission rates as low as possible, you are also advised to: avoid crowded shops. Try to avoid times when shops will be busy. If you do not think you can maintain physical distancing in a shop, go back later. visit stores that are using infection control measures and use the available hand sanitiser and sanitising stations try to avoid touching goods unless you intend to buy them be polite. Please ensure that you are considerate to retail staff and abide by their guidance and instructions, including removing your face covering if requested for proof of age. Restrictions on travel for non-permitted activities into Level 3 or 4 areas remain in place. Non-essential shopping is not an exception to this. You should only travel into a Level 3 or 4 area for essential shopping if there are no practical alternatives in your area. Close contact services All close contact services, including mobile, may operate providing they follow Scottish Government guidance to ensure the safety of customers and staff. Those providing such services are now able to travel and undertake these services across Scotland. Read more: guidance for close contact services checklist for close contact services Close contact services include: hairdressing and barbers beauty and nail services (including make-up) hair removal tattoo, piercing and body modification fashion design, dress-fitting and tailoring indoor portrait photography and art services massage therapies complementary and alternative medicine services requiring physical contact or close physical proximity between persons, but not osteopathy and chiropractic services spa and wellness services other services or procedures which require physical contact or close physical proximity between a provider and a customer and are not ancillary to medical, health, or social care services Whilst close contact retail service providers will implement mandated safety procedures to ensure the safety of customers and staff,it is an individual’s responsibility to ensure they comply with the following guidance: people should not visit any close contact service premises if they have tested positive or have developed any of the COVID-19 symptoms face coverings should be worn at all times by staff and customers, unless they are exempt. Read the face covering guidance. Close contact service providers cannot provide any service within the high-risk zone, such as a facial or beard trim or other procedures which requires a customer to remove their face covering close contact service premises may have a maximum capacity so customers should arrive at the time of their appointment and be prepared to queue outside customers should stay at least 1 metre apart when not undergoing any treatment that makes this requirement impossible Customers should be asked for contact details for Test and Protect purposes. This information should be collected in a safe and secure manner, which is compliant with data protection legislation and in line with existing guidance. Going to work/working from home People are advised to work from home wherever that is practicable. By law, employers must take all reasonable steps to minimise the risk of the incidence and spread of coronavirus. Supporting employees to work from home where possible is an important part of that. Read further information: coronavirus; working from home guidance Businesses which provide essential services can continue to operate, such as those in the Critical National Infrastructure (CNI) sector, courts and tribunals. There are 13 designated CNI sectors including agriculture and food production, activity to maintain the food supply chain, energy and transport. Not all CNI activity will be essential. Those operations which can be done effectively through home working should be adopted. A gradual return to offices can begin when the country moves beyond Level 0. Further guidance on this is available at: Coronavirus (COVID-19): returning to offices Tradespeople, home repairs, and working in someone else’s home Read further information and guidance on working in other people’s homes Tradespeople can work in other people’s homes providing they follow guidance on working safely. This includes all in-home workers such as utility engineers, domestic cleaners, furniture delivery and installations. Mobile close contact services such as hairdressers or beauticians must follow separate guidance for mobile close contact services. Tradespeople who deliver goods or services to homes and businesses can travel between all levels for work purposes. Stadia and events Outdoor seated and open space events are advised to operate with a maximum capacity of 2,000 people. Outdoor grouped standing events are advised to operate with a maximum capacity of 1,000 people. Seated indoor events are advised to operate with a maximum of 400 people. Read more: events sector guidance calculating physical distancing capacity in public settings Higher capacities may be permitted if agreed by the relevant local authority authority/Scottish Government. Guidance for event planners and venue operators is available at: Coronavirus (COVID-19) stadia and live events guidance Sports and exercise All organised sports and exercise activities for all age groups are permitted, provided appropriate safety measures are followed. Sports organisations will need to refer to guidance produced by their Scottish Governing Body of Sport and ensure they operate in line with the guidance. sport and physical activity guidance. guidance for coaches, leaders, personal trainers and instructors Leisure and entertainment Nightclubs and adult entertainment venues must be closed, (except for use in limited circumstances). All other leisure and entertainment businesses can be open, and should operate line with guidance, physical distancing duties, face covering regulations and other hygiene measures. Seated indoor events are permitted with a maximum of 400 people. Guidance is being produced which may allow higher capacities to be agreed with the local authority/ Scottish Government depending on the event. Read more: events sector guidance calculating physical distancing capacity in public settings You must ensure that you follow the rules on meeting friends and family when visiting such leisure venues. Film and TV production can continue to take place. All such activity must be done in compliance with industry guidance. Not everything there is restriction, there are of course guidance notes. Your VISCERAL HATRED of the Scottish Government obviously clouded your reading ability... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, jonesy said: TBF, I'd be outraged if I were from Dunfermline, too. And, full disclosure, about 90% of my waffle on here is because I'm in-between exam candidates or have given my students something to do that doesn't need monitored. I'm not from Dunfermline I just live here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Not everything there is restriction, there are of course guidance notes. Your VISCERAL HATRED of the Scottish Government obviously clouded your reading ability... True - but I couldn’t copy and paste any other way! I also didn’t include anywhere near all the restrictions listed so swings and roundabouts. Edited July 29, 2021 by Brighton Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Apart from that massive list of restrictions, there are no restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: True - but I couldn’t copy and paste any other way! I also didn’t include anywhere near all the restrictions listed so swings and roundabouts. You say tomato, I say potato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: I'm not from Dunfermline I just live here No one “ lives “ in Dunfermline 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 24 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Not everything there is restriction, there are of course guidance notes. Your VISCERAL HATRED of the Scottish Government obviously clouded your reading ability... Fair comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: You say tomato, I say potato Excellent! I’m stealing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, Zico said: Apart from that massive list of restrictions, there are no restrictions. Apart from that massive list of restrictions not actually being a massive list of restrictions, and apart from nobody claiming that there are no restrictions, this is a good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Apart from that massive list of restrictions not actually being a massive list of restrictions, and apart from nobody claiming that there are no restrictions, this is a good post. I quote “there are barely any restrictions any more”. That’s what you said today. It is clearly and obviously absolute nonsense. It’s only out of courtesy to other posters on this thread I won’t post the full list of restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: I quote “there are barely any restrictions any more”. That’s what you said today. It is clearly and obviously absolute nonsense. It’s only out of courtesy to other posters on this thread I won’t post the full list of restrictions. We're literally in the lowest level of restrictions before they get scrapped completely. That counts as barely any in my books when you consider some of the spells we've went through over the past year and a half. I didn't say "no restrictions". The poster I made that comment to seemed to be amazed that he was walking around Princes Street without anyone behaving like there was a pandemic and considered it to be indication of some sort of rebellion. There aren't any restrictions in place to stop people walking about as normal in Princes Street. Edited July 29, 2021 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: We're literally in the lowest level of restrictions before they get scrapped completely. That counts as barely any in my books when you consider some of the spells we've went through over the past year and a half. The poster I made that comment seemed to be amazed that he was walking around Princes Street without anyone behaving like there was a pandemic and considered it to be indication of some sort of rebellion. There aren't any restrictions in place to stop people walking about as normal in Princes Street. I’ve been reflecting on why I was so triggered by your post. I think it is because I can’t stand the thought that current life becomes the new normal. I recognise there was maybe context to your post so not aiming this at you but if we reflect back to say January 2019 and compare that ‘normal’ to now we are still miles from that. Almost every part of my life right now has in some way got a limitation or restriction on it. Even when things gets eased in a couple of weeks I think we are months if not years away from it being like it was pre-Covid. I don’t mind admitting that thought both scares and depresses me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 39 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Excellent! I’m stealing that. Be my guest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 50 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: No one “ lives “ in Dunfermline 😂 It's not Edinburgh, but a good night can be had over here, there are some decent pubs and a few excellent restaurants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: I’ve been reflecting on why I was so triggered by your post. I think it is because I can’t stand the thought that current life becomes the new normal. I recognise there was maybe context to your post so not aiming this at you but if we reflect back to say January 2019 and compare that ‘normal’ to now we are still miles from that. Almost every part of my life right now has in some way got a limitation or restriction on it. Even when things gets eased in a couple of weeks I think we are months if not years away from it being like it was pre-Covid. I don’t mind admitting that thought both scares and depresses me. I get that but I also think that, on reflection, life right now is not as restricted as I first thought. I can drink in pubs and eat in restaurants, I can shop in shops and I can walk about freely in the street, in parks and at the beach. The only real restrictions I can see are attendance at football, pubs shutting earlier and wearing masks when asked to. I would try not to think too much about it as you're correct, it can depress and scare you but when I really thought about it, I don't really feel as restricted as I thought I was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Even when things gets eased in a couple of weeks I think we are months if not years away from it being like it was pre-Covid. I don’t mind admitting that thought both scares and depresses me. Perhaps, however given how bleak the prospects were before the vaccination programme, I'll welcome how life looks in a few weeks with open arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: I get that but I also think that, on reflection, life right now is not as restricted as I first thought. I can drink in pubs and eat in restaurants, I can shop in shops and I can walk about freely in the street, in parks and at the beach. The only real restrictions I can see are attendance at football, pubs shutting earlier and wearing masks when asked to. I would try not to think too much about it as you're correct, it can depress and scare you but when I really thought about it, I don't really feel as restricted as I thought I was. That’s the thing though we have become conditioned to it. Yes we can go to the pub but as it stands we can only meet a certain number of mates, that and the whole experience isn’t anything like what it was. Same with restaurants, shopping, being in the workplace, yes we can do these things and that’s better than not being able to but they are all different experiences to before, in some cases obviously and in some cases subtly. I am delighted being able to do these things but if I think about life in 2019 it’s quite sobering. edit: just chatting to my 7 year old and school going is also on my not normal list. Edited July 29, 2021 by Brighton Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said: I quote “there are barely any restrictions any more”. That’s what you said today. It is clearly and obviously absolute nonsense. It’s only out of courtesy to other posters on this thread I won’t post the full list of restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Deeds Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Its over when there's no ballots to see the Hearts and bouncers are in place to stop me getting back in to nightclubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 23 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: No evidence whatsoever that Scotland will have more "double dosed" individuals by the end of their respective programmes. We'll have to disagree. I just hope we can follow England's lead on removing restrictions tbh. 23 hours ago, Footballfirst said: The double dose "programme" is effectively complete for everyone over 50's, both in England and Scotland, so the data is already there for those age groups. I'll create a table for your benefit once the PHE data is updated. The PHE data has been updated today with info up to 25 July. The Scotland figures are as at 27 July, but there are very few catchup vaccinations being carried out in the over 50s and not enough to make a difference over two days data beyond 0.1%. The table shows the percentage of adults in each age cohort that has received both doses. Cohort England Scotland 50-54 88.6% 91.9% 55-59 94.4% 95.3% 60-64 97.0% 98.2% 65-69 93.6% 98.2% 70-74 96.3% 98.2% 75-79 100.0% 98.3% 80+ 91.6% 94.9% The above stats show that the vaccination take up rate in Scotland is higher than in England at almost every cohort and I expect that the same pattern will repeat itself at younger age groups when the double dose vaccination programme is complete. There are no political points to be scored by the differences. I'm certain that all home nations are trying their best to encourage more people to get vaccinated at all age groups. I suspect that the primary reason for the variations in take up rates lies in the demographics of the respective populations, i.e. a higher incidence of BAME individuals in England, who are associated with greater hesitancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 We had just over a week if you have been vaccinated no need for masks in malls etc, restaurants and bars opened, life getting back to normal/. Sudden major spike in Covid cases, and deaths, today demands that masks be worn at all times, rules for dining and other facilities, back to full protective actions. I have decide I will continue with all the sanctions even if they are lifted, its too much of a hassle to , amend, cancel, obey, mask now on until there is a major change I am basically in quarantine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 32 minutes ago, jonesy said: And only a mere 18 miles away... Not from my hoose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 3 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: i think the original poster used “consensus” - if policies (or apparently most popular policies) is a better word /phrase then I’m happy to go with that - it wasn’t a criticism of the scientists more an indication of the changing landscape (as you say) so people coming on saying A is right would be / would have been better being a bit less definite of it and a bit less dismissive of other views regarding the twitter thing I wouldn’t know nor am I sufficiently interested - I’m almost certain that there was talk on here of that Devi lady doing similar a while back - it didn’t make my day or anything not sure I even posted in the subject I can't speak for the poster you responded to, but what I took from his post was that some people criticise without any scientific basis. EG there have only been 150 Covid deaths in Portugal, easily verified BS that comes from YouTube/Facebook/Russian bot farms. From having a wee look I've found a few tweets that that Devi woman has deleted, but they seem political rather than scientific, eg relating to Brexit, Dominic Cummings or the Union, but I wouldn't claim that's an exhaustive list. Carl Heneghan has deleted everything he tweeted before April this year, maybe he wasn't one of the respected scientists you had in mind, but he was a prominent voice against lockdown. Scrubbing a large part of his digital history smacks of 1984, and reduces his credibility in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) JVT said that the vaccination campaign has prevented an estimated 22 million infections. That's quite astonishing. Perhaps more alarming is that infection prevention from vaccines is highly likely to be less than infection prevention via social distancing over the course of the pandemic. It's another clear and compelling case that allowing a naturally spreading virus to run it's course would have seen an apocalyptic situation for healthcare. Edited July 29, 2021 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said: It's not Edinburgh, but a good night can be had over here, there are some decent pubs and a few excellent restaurants. I know I was ribbing u ! It’s one of my favourite wee Scottish towns to visit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 51 minutes ago, Victorian said: JVT said that the vaccination campaign has prevented an estimated 22 million infections. That's quite astonishing. Perhaps more alarming is that infection prevention from vaccines is highly likely to be less than infection prevention via social distancing over the course of the pandemic. It's another clear and compelling case that allowing a naturally spreading virus to run it's course would have seen an apocalyptic situation for healthcare. To be honest, I don't think anyone can accurately predict how many infections there would have been. As the BBC Head of Stats said of JVTs 60k deaths claim, "it's a bit of an exaggeration". The modelling always assumes full population susceptibility which as we know from real world evidence, isn't true. I find the 22m claim a bit hard to believe tbh as was the modelling last March that was based on 80% catching it and 25% of the population being off work. Mitigations or no mitigations, that was quite clearly nonsense. Had the NHS and Govts been more prepared last year, "match fit" if you like, lockdown wouldn't have happened. Given what we know now about the lives that lockdown cost, the mental health issues, the damage to children's education and life chances, no govt in future, other than the usual totalitarian suspects, should contemplate using that mitigation measure again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: To be honest, I don't think anyone can accurately predict how many infections there would have been. As the BBC Head of Stats said of JVTs 60k deaths claim, "it's a bit of an exaggeration". The modelling always assumes full population susceptibility which as we know from real world evidence, isn't true. I find the 22m claim a bit hard to believe tbh as was the modelling last March that was based on 80% catching it and 25% of the population being off work. Mitigations or no mitigations, that was quite clearly nonsense. Had the NHS and Govts been more prepared last year, "match fit" if you like, lockdown wouldn't have happened. Given what we know now about the lives that lockdown cost, the mental health issues, the damage to children's education and life chances, no govt in future, other than the usual totalitarian suspects, should contemplate using that mitigation measure again. Think I'll lean towards giving more credibility to what a high ranking expert theorises than someone who tailors every argument to suit a preferred conclusion. No offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Victorian said: Think I'll lean towards giving more credibility to what a high ranking expert theorises than someone who tailors every argument to suit a preferred conclusion. No offence. My views on lockdown and the reliability of scientific modelling have been consistent from the start. Others disagree. Some pontificate vociferously and speculate and end up having to back-flip and, for example, delete tweets -step forward Mrs, sorry, more likely Msss Sridhar - or execute a complete u-turn, as performed by Prof Ferguson just a few days ago Again, no offence intended, you do tend to have a blind spot about reaching "preferred conclusions". I assess the evidence and "reach" a conclusion. You are entitled to place your trust in the pronouncements of the scientific experts. Many people do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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