Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[DETTY29]

6 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Not looking good. 
She’s been moved to the ICU and put into an induced coma.

Best of luck and that she recovers.

[Beni]

6 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Not looking good. 
She’s been moved to the ICU and put into an induced coma.

 

Sorry to hear that, I hope she is able to overcome it. Best wishes to you, your wife and her family.

[CJGJ]

15 hours ago, luckydug said:

I was on holiday in Fuerteventura .

We flew out on the 10th March , I booked before the virus started and followed all the advice given by travel experts. Right up to my departure all the advice was to 'go and enjoy your holiday'

more or less scoffing at people for being apprehensive. 

I was a bit wary but no one in the travel industry seemed worried so why should I be.

Now I don't give a **** if you have sympathy for the thousands like myself who had to find alternative flights at exorbitant prices but I will tell you this it was one if the most stressful experiences of my life.

If we hadn't had enough money on our card we would have been stranded along with hundreds of others on an island where you had been chucked out of your hotel on government orders, were not meant to be on the streets, and unless you were able to pay a small fortune for a flight you faced being arrested by the Spanish police.

So please engage your brain before you start pontificating.

 

Ah the person who risked it moans about someone who calls them out

 

Lets get this straight you were wrong to go on holiday..no ifs buts or maybes ..simple really

 

You admit you were wary then try to complain about someone who told you to have more sense....you have admitted your stupidity and to try and save you from having to admit you were an idiot you lash out.  

 

YOU were wrong so stop this nonsense about how you may have been stranded..you would have been at fault and nobody else.

 

I'm glad you are back safe and sound..your own fault re having to pay expensive flight fees though and next time to save you stress don't go

 

I've little sympathy for you as I have a relative and a friend on the front line and some of the patients are ill because people went abroad and carried the virus back with them.  You took a risk but it was not just a risk for you but for many others you do not know

 

So no apology from me as there is none due

 

 

'So please engage your brain before you start pontificating'.....as you said

[iantjambo]

8 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Best of luck and that she recovers.

 

7 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

 

Sorry to hear that, I hope she is able to overcome it. Best wishes to you, your wife and her family.

Cheers guys 👍🏻

[Footballfirst]

The Scottish figures by health board seem heavily weighted towards the weegies.

 

https://www.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/

 

Health board	Positive cases
Ayrshire and Arran	74
Borders	23
Dumfries and Galloway	39
Fife	40
Forth Valley	75
Grampian	31
Greater Glasgow and Clyde	258
Highland	29
Lanarkshire	114
Lothian	111
Shetland	24
Tayside	76

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, GinRummy said:

It’s going to be way worse in London and sooner I would think. 

 

London needs to shut the tube ASAP.  Running reduced services packed like cattle is making things worse.

[Morgan]

23 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Not looking good. 
She’s been moved to the ICU and put into an induced coma.

FFS, Ian.  

 

Not such good news.

 

Fingers crossed all goes well for her as her treatment level increases.

[iantjambo]

Just now, Morgan said:

FFS, Ian.  

 

Not such good news.

 

Fingers crossed all goes well for her as her treatment level increases.

Cheers Morgan 👍🏻

[Beni]

7 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The Scottish figures by health board seem heavily weighted towards the weegies.

 

https://www.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/

 

Health board	Positive cases
Ayrshire and Arran	74
Borders	23
Dumfries and Galloway	39
Fife	40
Forth Valley	75
Grampian	31
Greater Glasgow and Clyde	258
Highland	29
Lanarkshire	114
Lothian	111
Shetland	24
Tayside	76

 

It looks like Shetland is one of the worst hit areas, given it must just have a small fraction of the population of other health boards.

[sadj]

5 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Cheers Morgan 👍🏻

fingers crossed for her Ian

 

6 minutes ago, Morgan said:

FFS, Ian.  

 

Not such good news.

 

Fingers crossed all goes well for her as her treatment level increases.

how did you get on? 

[Pasquale for King]

40 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Last week it was also reported that if you die at home or in a care home they weren't included in the official figures either.

 

The death figures for Italy that you see everyday are only those who have died in hospital, meaning the real true figure is probably many times higher than the official 7,500+, could well possibly be at least double that of the official figure.

 

Same with Germany, it's real death figure is also probably much higher than what it's been announced, It's something to do with the way that the German's record their dead, it doesn't give a true figure seemingly, I don't know what it is they do differently but I've heard it mentioned several times from various sources now.

That’s the first time I had heard it, not a good way to count the deaths at all.

[Kalamazoo Jambo]

35 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Not looking good. 
She’s been moved to the ICU and put into an induced coma.

 

Really sorry to hear that, Ian. She’s in my thoughts.

[Pasquale for King]

4 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

 

It looks like Shetland is one of the worst hit areas, given it must just have a small fraction of the population of other health boards.

I saw this a few weeks back, 10th of March.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[Morgan]

2 minutes ago, sadj said:

fingers crossed for her Ian

 

how did you get on? 

Just getting round to Googling what they all are, and how to do them.

 

H is planning on starting them tomorrow.

 

We'll keep you informed.  

[sadj]

2 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Just getting round to Googling what they all are, and how to do them.

 

H is planning on starting them tomorrow.

 

We'll keep you informed.  

👌🏻👍🏻

[davemclaren]

40 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Not looking good. 
She’s been moved to the ICU and put into an induced coma.

Sorry to hear that. Hope she pulls through. 

[Beni]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I saw this a few weeks back, 10th of March.

 

Bloody hell, in a small community these people are going to be as popular as a fart in a space suit.

[davemclaren]

40 minutes ago, Dummy Dikes said:

A retired Canadian General who served on active service has suggested to doctors with the the increase in patients, lack of needed equipment and resources there may come a time when decisions that may contradict their ethics and oath may arise and some very serious and sad calls having to be mad. He I think was relating to similar calls having to be made by military leaders in a war where lives had to be sacrificed to gain an advantage. 

My wife and I have discussed this, and we feel we have had a fair shot at life, if the decision had to be made between us and a young person with the hope of many years such as we have had then the decision is simple.

 

 

 

When resources are insufficient there are always tough decisions to be made unfortunately. 

[graygo]

50 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

Not looking good. 
She’s been moved to the ICU and put into an induced coma.

 

FFS. Keep the faith chief.

[Pasquale for King]

10 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

 

Bloody hell, in a small community these people are going to be as popular as a fart in a space suit.

Exactly, everyone will know it was them.

[graygo]

So if you've been self employed and don't have at least a years accounts you're getting nada, nil, zilch.

 

As suggested it's 80% of average of last 3 years or less if that's all you have.

Edited March 26, 2020 by graygo

[Brighton Jambo]

7 hours ago, Sirudi said:

An existing manufacturer of ventilators in the UK on news night last night, saying he told the government weeks ago he could upscale his production. But has heard nothing back.

He says it doesn’t make sense to start from a new source of untested Dyson products, when you could upscale existing UK facilities.

Boris obviously disagrees.

His whole approach to this crisis has been to put the economy and his Tory pals first.

As Cummings said, so what if a few pensioners die.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/airbus-dyson-firms-waiting-uk-green-light-produce-ventilators-coronavirus
 

the guardian is the least Tory supporting paper out there and yet proves your post as totally wrong.

 

at best you are totally misinformed at worst you are deliberately spreading lies which will worry and concern people at a time when that’s the last thing people need.

 

which ever one is true please give it a rest.  

[dobmisterdobster]

Reminder. Stay away from the Highlands and Islands unless you live there.

 

Do not take any holidays. Tourists are not welcome.

[Sirudi]

2 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/airbus-dyson-firms-waiting-uk-green-light-produce-ventilators-coronavirus
 

the guardian is the least Tory supporting paper out there and yet proves your post as totally wrong.

 

at best you are totally misinformed at worst you are deliberately spreading lies which will worry and concern people at a time when that’s the last thing people need.

 

which ever one is true please give it a rest.  

Go on. Give me a clue.

Which part is wrong ?

You appear to be confusing politics with facts.

[jake]

Spanish test equipment all 600 000 of them not fit for purpose  that's recently been delivered from China.

Anyone else reading this ?

[jamboy1982]

18 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

 

Bloody hell, in a small community these people are going to be as popular as a fart in a space suit.

I live in Shetland. When this couple came back there was a small outbreak. It appears to have been handled pretty well tho and hopefully contained. Maybe one if the advantages of being here is that we can identify folk easily. Also we can self isolate easier. 

 

I think it it could have been a lot worse. Our confirmed numbers of cases hasn’t increased for a few days now. 

[iantjambo]

Cheers for the best wishes everyone

[jambo89]

Looks to me like the self-employed are being screwed again. 80% of “profits” is what we’ll get paid.

 

By the time I pay myself a wage and dividend (both of which are taxed and with NIC on my wages) claim back mileage and expenses, you’re lucky if the business has £10,000 in profits (which is also taxed).

 

That works out at about £666.

 

That doesn’t seem fair to me. 

[Brighton Jambo]

4 minutes ago, Sirudi said:

Go on. Give me a clue.

Which part is wrong ?

You appear to be confusing politics with facts.

Quote from you ‘Boris obviously disagrees’ in relation to using existing facilities:  

 

from the article:

 

In the meantime, the government has placed multimillion-pound orders with specialist suppliers that can provide a small number of ventilators to start addressing the shortfall swiftly. These include Crawley-based Inspiration Healthcare, which said in a statement to investors it had taken more than £5m in orders from the NHS.

The Ventilator Challenge UK consortium’s plan will work to designs already made by Smiths Medical, from Luton, and Penlon, based in Abingdon, Oxfordshire.

 

[Sirudi]

10 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/airbus-dyson-firms-waiting-uk-green-light-produce-ventilators-coronavirus
 

the guardian is the least Tory supporting paper out there and yet proves your post as totally wrong.

 

at best you are totally misinformed at worst you are deliberately spreading lies which will worry and concern people at a time when that’s the last thing people need.

 

which ever one is true please give it a rest.  

From the Guardian

Dyson, along with a separate consortium of manufacturers led by Airbus, is expecting the government to give it the green light to start making up to 30,000 medical ventilators from next week

Sources familiar with the two schemes said they were in a position to start work but have been waiting on the government to give its blessing to one or both of the projects. The government is expected to provide further details on Thursday.

 

So none have been given the go ahead yet!!

Despite the fact firms offered to start production 2 weeks ago, he is only considering giving the go ahead now !!

So none will be ready for the peak of the epidemic.

And why did he refuse to join the EU scheme for ventilators ?

 

Maybe just stick to the facts next time, eh.

Honestly, get a grip.

 

 

 

 

 

[milky_26]

Just now, Sirudi said:

From the Guardian

Dyson, along with a separate consortium of manufacturers led by Airbus, is expecting the government to give it the green light to start making up to 30,000 medical ventilators from next week

Sources familiar with the two schemes said they were in a position to start work but have been waiting on the government to give its blessing to one or both of the projects. The government is expected to provide further details on Thursday.

 

So none have been given the go ahead yet!!

Despite the fact firms offered to start production 2 weeks ago, he is only considering giving the go ahead now !!

So none will be ready for the peak of the epidemic.

And why did he refuse to join the EU scheme for ventilators ?

 

Maybe just stick to the facts next time, eh.

Honestly, get a grip.

 

 

 

 

 

the go ahead can not be given until they have passed the relevant regulatory safety testing. it is not boris giving the go ahead

[Pasquale for King]

17 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said:

I live in Shetland. When this couple came back there was a small outbreak. It appears to have been handled pretty well tho and hopefully contained. Maybe one if the advantages of being here is that we can identify folk easily. Also we can self isolate easier. 

 

I think it it could have been a lot worse. Our confirmed numbers of cases hasn’t increased for a few days now. 

Good to know, stay safe.

[Footballfirst]

Not the greatest figures today from Italy, but still looking as if the peak is at least flattening out.

 

Italy reports 6,153 new cases of coronavirus and 662 new deaths, raising total to 80,539 cases and 8,165 dead.

[Sirudi]

1 minute ago, milky_26 said:

the go ahead can not be given until they have passed the relevant regulatory safety testing. it is not boris giving the go ahead

Boris has given the go ahead for the orders.

But yes, they cannot go ahead with production until the design is approved.

Then, they cannot be used until they have passed all the safety tests.

So won’t be here anytime soon.

 

So why not join the EU scheme and get already approved models ?

It is peoples lives after all.

 

[Brighton Jambo]

9 minutes ago, Sirudi said:

From the Guardian

Dyson, along with a separate consortium of manufacturers led by Airbus, is expecting the government to give it the green light to start making up to 30,000 medical ventilators from next week

Sources familiar with the two schemes said they were in a position to start work but have been waiting on the government to give its blessing to one or both of the projects. The government is expected to provide further details on Thursday.

 

So none have been given the go ahead yet!!

Despite the fact firms offered to start production 2 weeks ago, he is only considering giving the go ahead now !!

So none will be ready for the peak of the epidemic.

And why did he refuse to join the EU scheme for ventilators ?

 

Maybe just stick to the facts next time, eh.

Honestly, get a grip.

 

 

 

 

 

You must be a troll -   Which part of:

 

 

In the meantime, the government has placed multimillion-pound orders with specialist suppliers 

 

do you not understand.  

Edited March 26, 2020 by Brighton Jambo

[Footballfirst]

Italian trends

 

 

[Cade]

#10 now saying they might join the joint EU thing after all

 

 

"Owing to an initial communication problem, the UK did not receive an invitation in time to join in four joint procurements in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

As the commission has confirmed, we are eligible to participate in joint procurements during the transition period, following our departure from the EU earlier this year.

As those four initial procurement schemes had already gone out to tender we were unable to take part in these, but we will consider participating in future procurement schemes on the basis of public health requirements at the time.

We are working round the clock with industry, the NHS, social care providers and the army to ensure the supply of PPE over the coming weeks and months and will give our NHS and the social care sector everything they need to tackle this outbreak."

 

"we never got the emails" is actually the line they're taking

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Cade

[Dawnrazor]

My Nephew got sent home from work today with suspected Covid 19, now him, his Mum, his Dad and his two sisters are not allowed to leave the house for two weeks, that'll be a long two weeks😟

[Sirudi]

1 minute ago, Brighton Jambo said:

You are either a troll or an idiot.  Which part of:

 

 

In the meantime, the government has placed multimillion-pound orders with specialist suppliers 

 

do you not understand.  

In the meantime, the government has placed multimillion-pound orders with specialist suppliers that can provide a small number 

Best quote fully.

You wouldn’t want to mislead people would you.

Get back in your box. 

[Beni]

13 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said:

I live in Shetland. When this couple came back there was a small outbreak. It appears to have been handled pretty well tho and hopefully contained. Maybe one if the advantages of being here is that we can identify folk easily. Also we can self isolate easier. 

 

I think it it could have been a lot worse. Our confirmed numbers of cases hasn’t increased for a few days now. 

 

If the new cases have slowed/stopped that's good, and I'm sure everyone is more aware of the importance of social distancing compared to elsewhere.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

53 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

That’s the first time I had heard it, not a good way to count the deaths at all.

 

Indeed it isn't, also we'll never know for sure just how many have actually died and what the mortality rate is and all manner of stats which the scientists might have found useful in years to come to help combat something like this happening again.

 

[milky_26]

7 minutes ago, Sirudi said:

Boris has given the go ahead for the orders.

But yes, they cannot go ahead with production until the design is approved.

Then, they cannot be used until they have passed all the safety tests.

So won’t be here anytime soon.

 

So why not join the EU scheme and get already approved models ?

It is peoples lives after all.

 

the regulatory approval can be done quickly and the estimates is that full production of them would be the middle of april which is only 2/3 weeks away

Edited March 26, 2020 by milky_26

[Jambo-Jimbo]

28 minutes ago, jake said:

Spanish test equipment all 600 000 of them not fit for purpose  that's recently been delivered from China.

Anyone else reading this ?

 

Yeh, it was mentioned on Sky News early this afternoon.

[Sirudi]

3 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

the regulatory approval can be done quickly and the estimates is that full production of them would be the middle of april which is only 2/3 weeks away

I hope that is the case.

Just don’t understand the delay or why not all sources are being used.

[Malinga the Swinga]

27 minutes ago, jambo89 said:

Looks to me like the self-employed are being screwed again. 80% of “profits” is what we’ll get paid.

 

By the time I pay myself a wage and dividend (both of which are taxed and with NIC on my wages) claim back mileage and expenses, you’re lucky if the business has £10,000 in profits (which is also taxed).

 

That works out at about £666.

 

That doesn’t seem fair to me. 

How do you mean screwed? Self employed do very nicely when times good and if you don't like being self-employed (screwed again implies you believe you are treated badly compared to others) How would you have done things differently? Looks like the same terms as us mugs who live on PAYE. You do realise you are not meant to make a profit from the virus.

[Malinga the Swinga]

32 minutes ago, jambo89 said:

 

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Malinga the Swinga
Double post

[Victorian]

The graph for Italy seems to give the appearance that they're at peak and about to tip over it but the regional nature of their crisis may well end up prolonging the 'peak' into more of a plateau.    God forbid,   even worse another wave throughout the rest of the country.

[Brighton Jambo]

7 minutes ago, Sirudi said:

In the meantime, the government has placed multimillion-pound orders with specialist suppliers that can provide a small number 

Best quote fully.

You wouldn’t want to mislead people would you.

Get back in your box. 

Haha - Right back at you:  You are having a shocker but are the gift that keeps on giving :  full quote:

 

a small number of ventilators to start addressing the shortfall swiftly. These include Crawley-based Inspiration Healthcare, which said in a statement to investors it had taken more than £5m in orders from the NHS.
 

see the line, addressing the shortfall swiftly, see the line £5m in orders?  something that you clearly insinuated we weren’t doing due to Cummings as we were waiting for Dyson and his pals.  
 

You were wrong, you will never admit you were wrong but you were slavering sh@te, that the guardian of all newspapers proves it.  

[Brighton Jambo]

16 minutes ago, Cade said:

#10 now saying they might join the joint EU thing after all

 

 

"Owing to an initial communication problem, the UK did not receive an invitation in time to join in four joint procurements in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

As the commission has confirmed, we are eligible to participate in joint procurements during the transition period, following our departure from the EU earlier this year.

As those four initial procurement schemes had already gone out to tender we were unable to take part in these, but we will consider participating in future procurement schemes on the basis of public health requirements at the time.

We are working round the clock with industry, the NHS, social care providers and the army to ensure the supply of PPE over the coming weeks and months and will give our NHS and the social care sector everything they need to tackle this outbreak."

 

"we never got the emails" is actually the line they're taking

 

That is a humiliating climb down but I hope it’s true as right outcome reached

[Tazio]

Well looks like my work are going to get involved in the 80% wage thing. Rather annoyingly it doesn't cover all the organisation as anyone office based will be able to work from home. So people who will run out of things to do will be able to stay on as they have been deemed able to work from home, meanwhile the rest of us get shafted and have uncertain futures depending how long this lasts. 

This scenario if repeated in a lot workplaces could drive a stake into employee relations.