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9 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Monday is usually a day I miss but I will make an exception next week.

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So you only drink the other 6 days ? LOL. It feels pretty decadent drinking on a Monday so might give it a go..Why no...

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2 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

what is going on ? 

Massive administrative and technical errors. Poor decision making on how to fix them. Poor leadership at the top of the NHS and department of health. They’ve turned a relatively easy albeit very big job into a spaghetti mess

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26 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

Massive administrative and technical errors. Poor decision making on how to fix them. Poor leadership at the top of the NHS and department of health. They’ve turned a relatively easy albeit very big job into a spaghetti mess

Should have been managed locally via groups of GP surgeries, as it is in England. Centralised control and relying on the NHS to manage anything efficiently was always going to be a stretch. 

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33 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

So you only drink the other 6 days ? LOL. It feels pretty decadent drinking on a Monday so might give it a go..Why no...

I should’ve added Tuesday.😃

Anyway go for it.

Just call it a bonus day.

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2 hours ago, Rupert Pupkin said:

News today ,Scientists say “Vaccines not Lockdowns” are now the way to control the pandemic... There will be no more Lockdowns, accept it.

 

What's the source for that?

 

Boris (who previously knew nothing) said lockdowns are the key and those who previously said he knew nothing said he was right and vaccines weren't what was causing the drop off, it was lockdown. They also said follow the science so if what you've said is true, I'm not sure what to think anymore 😂😂

 

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1 hour ago, Dazo said:


I think you’ve picked @theshed up wrong there. I think he just used wine as an example but the point he was making was that folk genuinely going out for a meal aren’t there just to get smashed. They’d quite enjoy a alcoholic drink with their food and it will make zero impact on the safety of the occasion. 


Yes that’s what I was meaning 👍

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4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

What's the source for that?

 

Boris (who previously knew nothing) said lockdowns are the key and those who previously said he knew nothing said he was right and vaccines weren't what was causing the drop off, it was lockdown. They also said follow the science so if what you've said is true, I'm not sure what to think anymore 😂😂

 

From an Oxford Uni study looking at 1.6million viral swabs. Scientists are "cautiously hopeful" that inoculation could control the pandemic.  They found that a single dose of Oxford AZ or Pfizer prevented about 65% of all infections.  Also found that of those infected, they produced a lower viral load and therefore likely to transmit less virus. They were "pleasantly surprised " by the findings .

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7 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

From an Oxford Uni study looking at 1.6million viral swabs. Scientists are "cautiously hopeful" that inoculation could control the pandemic.  They found that a single dose of Oxford AZ or Pfizer prevented about 65% of all infections.  Also found that of those infected, they produced a lower viral load and therefore likely to transmit less virus. They were "pleasantly surprised " by the findings .

 

Sounds really encouraging 👍

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JudyJudyJudy
39 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Should have been managed locally via groups of GP surgeries, as it is in England. Centralised control and relying on the NHS to manage anything efficiently was always going to be a stretch. 

I had suggested that they should have had vaccinations walk in centres and anyone and everyone could have just went in . No appointments needed etc. Cuts out all the bureaucratic nonsense. 

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Shanks said no
29 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

2nd jab appointment arrived today. 1st May. So things are rolling along nicely.

May I ask how many weeks apart?

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1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Should have been managed locally via groups of GP surgeries, as it is in England. Centralised control and relying on the NHS to manage anything efficiently was always going to be a stretch. 

And yet Scotland is ahead of England with the vaccine rollout. Repeating lies doesn't make them true you know

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Scotland  50.4% 16.4%
England   49.6%  16.6%
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9 minutes ago, XB52 said:

And yet Scotland is ahead of England with the vaccine rollout. Repeating lies doesn't make them true you know

              1st.   2nd.

Scotland  50.4% 16.4%
England   49.6%  16.6%

I didnt realise it was a competition ????????? 

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We don't even need this argument about lockdown v vaccines, as we've got two excellent real world examples.

Israel had the fastest rollout and timed their exit from lockdown carefully - they've suppressed their case numbers brilliantly. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01337-2

Chile had the third (I think) fastest rollout but opened up quicker than they vaccinated (even though their lockdown included a night-time curfew) - and are in a new wave (there are also some grumblings over the efficacy of their Sinovax, nothing concrete though). https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1023

If we get this right we should be good and that has to be the end of lockdowns which are a painful, blunt hammer of a tool compared to the vaccine's, fittingly, sharp needle. 

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4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I didnt realise it was a competition ????????? 

 

Scotland should be considerably ahead given the far larger population in England.

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3 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Scotland should be considerably ahead given the far larger population in England.

 

Was this a joke comment, Frank? :)

 

The vaccines were/are distributed on an equitable per-capita ratio amongst the four home nations, and the figures mentioned by XB52 above are in percentage terms, showing that we're virtually neck-and-neck, as we would be expected to be.

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JudyJudyJudy
6 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Scotland should be considerably ahead given the far larger population in England.

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6 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Scotland should be considerably ahead given the far larger population in England.


Next you'll be telling us the more tests you administer, the more cases you get...:jj_facepalm:

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JudyJudyJudy
1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

 

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No I’m in one of my outre lateral thinking moods today ! It made sense to do it that way really free for all 😂

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25 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

May I ask how many weeks apart?

First jab 14 February so about  12 weeks 

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6 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Was this a joke comment, Frank? :)

 

The vaccines were/are distributed on an equitable per-capita ratio amongst the four home nations, and the figures mentioned by XB52 above are in percentage terms, showing that we're virtually neck-and-neck, as we would be expected to be.

 

Not just about per capita ratio of population, increased size and management increases time and effort in management and logistics.

 

55.98m vs 5.454m

 

Scaling adds extra costs to any project especially when you compare those sizes.

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Just now, Boy Daniel said:

First jab 14 February so about  12 weeks 

Cheers, I cancelled a holiday as I didn’t think I would get my 2nd one in time plus 2 weeks and the then uncertainty about a vaccination passport. Looks like I made the correct call. 

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

Not just about per capita ratio of population, increased size and management increases time and effort in management and logistics.

 

Above a certain point, perhaps, but that point is well below the level of NHS Scotland and NHS England. You could even argue, if you so wanted, that the larger NHS England would benefit from certain economies of scale, but given that is an equally spurious argument at that level, I won't.

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1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Above a certain point, perhaps, but that point is well below the level of NHS Scotland and NHS England. You could even argue, if you so wanted, that the larger NHS England would benefit from certain economies of scale, but given that is an equally spurious argument at that level, I won't.

 

God, what have I started - I only replied to a spurious argument with a light hearted comment!

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10 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

No I’m in one of my outre lateral thinking moods today ! It made sense to do it that way really free for all 😂

 

I knew you were a natural Francophone, James. ;) Did you ever launch yourself into learning the language of Voltaire as you intended?

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

God, what have I started - I only replied to a spurious argument with a light hearted comment!

 

:D The wink emoji is your friend.

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JudyJudyJudy
3 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I knew you were a natural Francophone, James. ;) Did you ever launch yourself into learning the language of Voltaire as you intended?

As usual with me " could have,  would have,  should have " ! still at the " allo allo" stage... :) maybe one day. I can converse slightly when i speak to a French person though. It seems to come back to me. 

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1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

As usual with me " could have,  would have,  should have " ! still at the " allo allo" stage... :) maybe one day. I can converse slightly when i speak to a French person though. It seems to come back to me. 

 

That's a useful foundation to build on. :thumb:

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Scottish numbers: 23 April 2021

Summary

  • 255 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+24; up from 204 a week ago]
  • 19,771 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-3,531]
    • 1.5% of these were positive [+0.4%]
  • 1 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-2]
  • 12 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [=]
  • 93 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [=]
  • 2,758,381 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 949,228 have received their second dose [+3,206; +50,997]
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JudyJudyJudy
8 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

That's a useful foundation to build on. :thumb:

Tres vrai 😮 

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The SG haven't updated the council stats yet, so in the meantime here are the national stats:

 

7-day averages     Today Yesterday     21 Apr 20 Apr 19 Apr 18 Apr 17 Apr ... 1 Apr
Tests     18195 17960 +235   18000 18063 18133 18011 18128 ... 21722
Positivity rate %     1.4 1.4 0.0   1.4 1.4 1.5 1.4 1.5 ... 2.4
Deaths     1.3 1.6 -0.3   1.3 1.6 1.7 1.7 1.7 ... 5.4
All Vaccinations     42395 40392 +2003   38691 37070 35131 36600 36269 ... 49063
1st Dose     5185 6641 -1456   8229 9621 11282 12379 12838 ... 29659
2nd Dose     37210 33751 +3459   30462 27449 23849 24221 23431 ... 19404
                           
Daily data                          
Hospital (non-ICU)     81 81 0   93 93 90 N/A N/A ... 194
ICU     12 12 0   14 13 14 N/A N/A ... 21
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Enzo Chiefo
57 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

We don't even need this argument about lockdown v vaccines, as we've got two excellent real world examples.

Israel had the fastest rollout and timed their exit from lockdown carefully - they've suppressed their case numbers brilliantly. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01337-2

Chile had the third (I think) fastest rollout but opened up quicker than they vaccinated (even though their lockdown included a night-time curfew) - and are in a new wave (there are also some grumblings over the efficacy of their Sinovax, nothing concrete though). https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1023

If we get this right we should be good and that has to be the end of lockdowns which are a painful, blunt hammer of a tool compared to the vaccine's, fittingly, sharp needle. 

I think the issue with Chile is the efficacy of the Made in China vaccine. Only 16% after one dose they are reporting. 

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1 hour ago, XB52 said:

And yet Scotland is ahead of England with the vaccine rollout. Repeating lies doesn't make them true you know

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Scotland  50.4% 16.4%
England   49.6%  16.6%

Scotland are "ahead", yet England has a higher percentage of fully vaccinated people.🤔  As James said though, didn't realise it was a competition. 

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And now the council trend data:

 

                           
    Pre- 7-day per-100,000 cases                
Council Area Tier Lockdown Today Yesterday     21 Apr 20 Apr 19 Apr 18 Apr 17 Apr ... 1 Apr
Scotland   29 28 +1   28 28 29 29 29 ... 59
Clackmannanshire 4 3 70 68 +2   72 58 66 58 58 ... 233
North Lanarkshire 4 3 64 59 +5   58 52 54 48 50 ... 117
East Ayrshire 4 3 55 50 +5   42 34 30 25 29 ... 72
Moray 4 1 43 44 -1   34 37 27 27 31 ... 56
East Dunbartonshire 4 3 42 33 +9   34 29 24 16 14 ... 56
Glasgow City 4 3 42 46 -4   49 51 56 58 57 ... 81
South Lanarkshire 4 3 41 44 -3   44 45 49 47 44 ... 62
South Ayrshire 4 3 40 33 +7   21 14 12 6 4 ... 19
Perth & Kinross 4 3 35 32 +3   36 32 28 19 18 ... 36
Edinburgh City 4 3 29 26 +3   24 21 18 15 15 ... 50
East Renfrewshire 4 3 29 31 -2   29 35 44 41 41 ... 45
Fife 4 3 28 25 +3   24 29 31 34 37 ... 42
West Dunbartonshire 4 3 28 21 +7   18 15 12 16 19 ... 66
Falkirk 4 2 27 30 -3   32 32 30 28 32 ... 90
North Ayrshire 4 3 25 28 -3   28 30 26 26 22 ... 71
Dundee City 4 3 24 21 +3   23 29 28 31 34 ... 64
Renfrewshire 4 3 24 21 +3   23 30 37 40 47 ... 103
Aberdeen City 4 3 22 22 0   24 27 28 26 25 ... 44
West Lothian 4 3 21 21 0   24 31 34 40 41 ... 129
Aberdeenshire 4 3 15 16 -1   17 15 16 15 13 ... 28
Inverclyde 4 2 14 13 +1   17 17 15 18 24 ... 21
Stirling 4 3 12 12 0   12 14 14 17 18 ... 58
Angus 4 2 9 11 -2   11 10 10 9 11 ... 42
Dumfries & Galloway 4 1 9 5 +4   3 2 2 2 3 ... 5
East Lothian 4 3 9 7 +2   6 4 4 5 6 ... 37
Highland 4/3 1 9 8 +1   13 16 15 16 20 ... 7
Argyll & Bute 4/3 2 5 5 0   5 3 5 5 5 ... 7
Midlothian 4 3 4 4 0   5 4 5 6 9 ... 57
Orkney Islands 3 1 4 0 +4   0 0 0 0 0 ... 0
Scottish Borders 4 1 1 1 0   2 3 3 3 2 ... 11
Na h-Eileanan Siar 3 1 0 0 0   0 0 0 0 0 ... 0
Shetland Goose 3 1 0 0 0   0 0 9 9 13 ... 9
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2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

And now the council trend data:

 

                           
    Pre- 7-day per-100,000 cases                
Council Area Tier Lockdown Today Yesterday     21 Apr 20 Apr 19 Apr 18 Apr 17 Apr ... 1 Apr
Scotland   29 28 +1   28 28 29 29 29 ... 59
Clackmannanshire 4 3 70 68 +2   72 58 66 58 58 ... 233
North Lanarkshire 4 3 64 59 +5   58 52 54 48 50 ... 117
East Ayrshire 4 3 55 50 +5   42 34 30 25 29 ... 72
Moray 4 1 43 44 -1   34 37 27 27 31 ... 56
East Dunbartonshire 4 3 42 33 +9   34 29 24 16 14 ... 56
Glasgow City 4 3 42 46 -4   49 51 56 58 57 ... 81
South Lanarkshire 4 3 41 44 -3   44 45 49 47 44 ... 62
South Ayrshire 4 3 40 33 +7   21 14 12 6 4 ... 19
Perth & Kinross 4 3 35 32 +3   36 32 28 19 18 ... 36
Edinburgh City 4 3 29 26 +3   24 21 18 15 15 ... 50
East Renfrewshire 4 3 29 31 -2   29 35 44 41 41 ... 45
Fife 4 3 28 25 +3   24 29 31 34 37 ... 42
West Dunbartonshire 4 3 28 21 +7   18 15 12 16 19 ... 66
Falkirk 4 2 27 30 -3   32 32 30 28 32 ... 90
North Ayrshire 4 3 25 28 -3   28 30 26 26 22 ... 71
Dundee City 4 3 24 21 +3   23 29 28 31 34 ... 64
Renfrewshire 4 3 24 21 +3   23 30 37 40 47 ... 103
Aberdeen City 4 3 22 22 0   24 27 28 26 25 ... 44
West Lothian 4 3 21 21 0   24 31 34 40 41 ... 129
Aberdeenshire 4 3 15 16 -1   17 15 16 15 13 ... 28
Inverclyde 4 2 14 13 +1   17 17 15 18 24 ... 21
Stirling 4 3 12 12 0   12 14 14 17 18 ... 58
Angus 4 2 9 11 -2   11 10 10 9 11 ... 42
Dumfries & Galloway 4 1 9 5 +4   3 2 2 2 3 ... 5
East Lothian 4 3 9 7 +2   6 4 4 5 6 ... 37
Highland 4/3 1 9 8 +1   13 16 15 16 20 ... 7
Argyll & Bute 4/3 2 5 5 0   5 3 5 5 5 ... 7
Midlothian 4 3 4 4 0   5 4 5 6 9 ... 57
Orkney Islands 3 1 4 0 +4   0 0 0 0 0 ... 0
Scottish Borders 4 1 1 1 0   2 3 3 3 2 ... 11
Na h-Eileanan Siar 3 1 0 0 0   0 0 0 0 0 ... 0
Shetland Goose 3 1 0 0 0   0 0 9 9 13 ... 9

 

Edinburgh City heading in the wrong direction. 

Might just sack life and stay in quarantine. 

 

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Poster 1: Scotland should have organised their vaccine roll-out more like England.

 

Poster 2: Shows data that indicates that the results of Scotland's roll-out are on a par with England's.

 

Poster 1: I didn't realise it was a competition!

 

Come on guys. :D

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1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

Scotland should be considerably ahead given the far larger population in England.

????that makes absolutely no sense at all

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4 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Edinburgh City heading in the wrong direction. 

Might just sack life and stay in quarantine. 

 


Case numbers in itself aren’t a major concern. Deaths and hospitalisations still going in the right direction. There is about 110 people in hospital in the whole of Scotland. Think we can start to enjoy the freedom when it comes. 

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JudyJudyJudy
6 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Edinburgh City heading in the wrong direction. 

Might just sack life and stay in quarantine. 

 

Oh come don’t u start the gloom ! 

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JudyJudyJudy
6 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Poster 1: Scotland should have organised their vaccine roll-out more like England.

 

Poster 2: Shows data that indicates that the results of Scotland's roll-out are on a par with England's.

 

Poster 1: I didn't realise it was a competition!

 

Come on guys. :D

Lol D5136A17-4273-4B45-8126-3665DDA4AB73.jpeg.faca9b897113623c785fd4294a696227.jpeg

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1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

I didnt realise it was a competition ????????? 

Just pointing out posters lying that Scotland was doing much worse than England with the roll-out. Have a word with your fellow SG haters

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1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

Not just about per capita ratio of population, increased size and management increases time and effort in management and logistics.

 

55.98m vs 5.454m

 

Scaling adds extra costs to any project especially when you compare those sizes.

If that's the case Scotland should be well behind given the many remote populations compared to England. I feel I'm being whooshed here as you are making no sense

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JudyJudyJudy
1 minute ago, XB52 said:

Just pointing out posters lying that Scotland was doing much worse than England with the roll-out. Have a word with your fellow SG haters

I don’t hate the SG I’m just critical of it at times , which one is entitled to do so in a democracy . 👍 yes I gust just don’t like the comparison narrative that’s all 

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1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Oh come don’t u start the gloom ! 

 

I don't think he was being serious, James. The Gov is a happy-go-lucky guy and no doubt realises that the case creepage in some council areas isn't something to overly worry about at the moment. It's to be expected in the immediate period leading up to a relaxation of restrictions that folk mentally relax and tend to be less cautious than before, and I think we're perhaps seeing that reflected in the figures. We'll see how they go over the next wee while.

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18 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Scotland are "ahead", yet England has a higher percentage of fully vaccinated people.🤔  As James said though, didn't realise it was a competition. 

You lied about the vaccine roll-out in Scotland so made it a competition. 

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Governor Tarkin
18 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

As James said though, didn't realise it was a competition. 

 

See if it was a competition for most blinkered slavering seperatist, that XB guy would be in at least bronze medal position.

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Footballfirst
1 hour ago, Boy Daniel said:

First jab 14 February so about  12 weeks 

Those dates are 10 weeks and 6 days apart and in line with the peak week for 1st doses being the 2nd week in February, when 385k doses were given.  (your 14 February jab would have been reported on 15 February)

 

Around 275k 2nd doses have still to be given to match the 1st dose figures as at 14 February, which will take another 6 days at current vaccination rates. We should then be doing the 2nd doses corresponding to the 3rd week in February, so your 1 May date is in line with that.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, redjambo said:

And now the council trend data:

 

                           
    Pre- 7-day per-100,000 cases                
Council Area Tier Lockdown Today Yesterday     21 Apr 20 Apr 19 Apr 18 Apr 17 Apr ... 1 Apr
Scotland   29 28 +1   28 28 29 29 29 ... 59
Clackmannanshire 4 3 70 68 +2   72 58 66 58 58 ... 233
North Lanarkshire 4 3 64 59 +5   58 52 54 48 50 ... 117
East Ayrshire 4 3 55 50 +5   42 34 30 25 29 ... 72
Moray 4 1 43 44 -1   34 37 27 27 31 ... 56
East Dunbartonshire 4 3 42 33 +9   34 29 24 16 14 ... 56
Glasgow City 4 3 42 46 -4   49 51 56 58 57 ... 81
South Lanarkshire 4 3 41 44 -3   44 45 49 47 44 ... 62
South Ayrshire 4 3 40 33 +7   21 14 12 6 4 ... 19
Perth & Kinross 4 3 35 32 +3   36 32 28 19 18 ... 36
Edinburgh City 4 3 29 26 +3   24 21 18 15 15 ... 50
East Renfrewshire 4 3 29 31 -2   29 35 44 41 41 ... 45
Fife 4 3 28 25 +3   24 29 31 34 37 ... 42
West Dunbartonshire 4 3 28 21 +7   18 15 12 16 19 ... 66
Falkirk 4 2 27 30 -3   32 32 30 28 32 ... 90
North Ayrshire 4 3 25 28 -3   28 30 26 26 22 ... 71
Dundee City 4 3 24 21 +3   23 29 28 31 34 ... 64
Renfrewshire 4 3 24 21 +3   23 30 37 40 47 ... 103
Aberdeen City 4 3 22 22 0   24 27 28 26 25 ... 44
West Lothian 4 3 21 21 0   24 31 34 40 41 ... 129
Aberdeenshire 4 3 15 16 -1   17 15 16 15 13 ... 28
Inverclyde 4 2 14 13 +1   17 17 15 18 24 ... 21
Stirling 4 3 12 12 0   12 14 14 17 18 ... 58
Angus 4 2 9 11 -2   11 10 10 9 11 ... 42
Dumfries & Galloway 4 1 9 5 +4   3 2 2 2 3 ... 5
East Lothian 4 3 9 7 +2   6 4 4 5 6 ... 37
Highland 4/3 1 9 8 +1   13 16 15 16 20 ... 7
Argyll & Bute 4/3 2 5 5 0   5 3 5 5 5 ... 7
Midlothian 4 3 4 4 0   5 4 5 6 9 ... 57
Orkney Islands 3 1 4 0 +4   0 0 0 0 0 ... 0
Scottish Borders 4 1 1 1 0   2 3 3 3 2 ... 11
Na h-Eileanan Siar 3 1 0 0 0   0 0 0 0 0 ... 0
Shetland Goose 3 1 0 0 0   0 0 9 9 13 ... 9

 

Thank you again Red

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