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1 minute ago, Gards said:

Well there's plenty fairly well established companies who aren't then.

 

I know.

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1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

I know.

Congrats on your 10,000 posts 🙂

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Brian Dundas
1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

Think Tambo is trying to follow the rules though in fairness to him.

True, I can imagine these announcements can be tough on certain sectors if you are hoping for something. I didn't see mention of indoor tradesmen working in England being lifted, is it still allowed?

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15 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

 

I booked a holiday to Turkey for end of June in October last year before things got worse again.  Well accommodation only, not the flights. I'm not going to bother with it though in case there are travel corridors and isolating rules etc still in place by then.  We're one of the leading countries in the world in terms of vaccination process so there are going to be many countries way behind.

 

Thing that annoys me though is the price of staying on these shores.  Decent self catering accommodation for a family of 4 is outrageous.  

You’re correct about the cost of holidays here and I hope that people don’t put up prices further to try and recuperate any loses as longer term it will work against them .

Your point about the differences in vaccine roll out is also valid 

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2 minutes ago, Gards said:

Congrats on your 10,000 posts 🙂

 

Thanks. Shorter than most of my rambles 👍 

 

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5 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Why are so many tradesman just working as normal. I know a boy that fits blinds for a living, he’s been really busy. Boy at works old man is a kitchen fitter and he’s been working. Painter and decorator along the road from me is working.

They have to work or they’d starve 

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jonnothejambo
9 minutes ago, Gards said:

Not sure where you're based but in our street we've had houses with tradesman working in them for months....we've got painters confirmed coming in for our ceilings next week....so not really seeing tradesman work being curtailed?

 

Yep. In my neck of the woods tradesmen have never stopped working.

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2 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

True, I can imagine these announcements can be tough on certain sectors if you are hoping for something. I didn't see mention of indoor tradesmen working in England being lifted, is it still allowed?

 

Not sure, I'm actually more in the loop about Scottish tradesmen due to friends back home. Those I've spoken to have been quite firmly sticking to the essential work criteria, but in defence of others, they'll still be doing okay due to a lot of their work being essential anyway.

 

I'm not judging those who aren't by the way, just saying fair play to Tambo who is getting hacked off because he is following the rules.

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1 minute ago, Boy Daniel said:

They have to work or they’d starve 

Wasn’t what I meant. The ones who choose not to are unfairly penalised. If it can’t be enforced it should be advice rather than a rule. Seems a really unfair situation. 

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So still no data released from either government yet as to the metric levels as to what is likely needed to move from one cycle to another.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Tambo_The_Jambo said:

The ordinary tradesman rammed right up the arse again I see. If your wanting new floors, doors, painting, plasterwork, kitchens & bathrooms you will just have to wait. If your lucky your local tradesman may still be in a fit state to do it in May. But if yer wean is getting on yer tits you can send it off to get a dose of COVID at school. 


Every tradesman I know have never been busier. You might have stopped but I don’t know any others who have. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, Dazo said:

Sorry if I’ve missed it but is there anything in this regarding kids and adults football returning ?

Nope, disgraceful. All grass roots sports has been forgotten.

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I get the not wanting to give dates (even though she did) and wanting to be cautious with things but why not give a route or a list of what she plans to open if the data allows from beyond end of April?

 

Just now we have a we plan to move back to tiers like before but whats in them could change. We want to open the economy but no mention of what order things will be done. 

 

All that could have been given today with no dates but instead she wants people to come back in 3 weeks. 

 

Why if she is being driven by data? She could tell us the plans for what and add in the when depending on data. 

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1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

Not sure, I'm actually more in the loop about Scottish tradesmen due to friends back home. Those I've spoken to have been quite firmly sticking to the essential work criteria, but in defence of others, they'll still be doing okay due to a lot of their work being essential anyway.

 

I'm not judging those who aren't by the way, just saying fair play to Tambo who is getting hacked off because he is following the rules.

I can understand, I don't think I have broken a regulation, certainly not deliberately, but living in Lanarkshire I've been in lockdown since September FFS! It is hard for everyone, we all have own personal difficulties to get through. I try to not get too up or too down about the stuff we can't control ourselves and hope it all ends soon.

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4 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Sorry if I’ve missed it but is there anything in this regarding kids and adults football returning ?


No, but on the basis we’re going back to the tier system think it would be hitting tier 1. If your talking about watching hearts. 
 

Kids outdoor sports I thought was provisionally 15 March, 
 

Doubt tier system will look same as previously though. 

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39 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

From the BBC: "The final phase of the return to school would take place on 5 April, when it is hoped to lift the stay at home restrictions."

 

Except that Edinburgh schools are on holiday from Fri 2nd April so, in reality, many secondary school kids (i assume S1-3) will not be returning until Tue 20nd April.

 

That's disgraceful.

 

That's how much this lot care about education, in reality. Schools should never have been closed at all. 

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Brian Dundas
3 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Sorry if I’ve missed it but is there anything in this regarding kids and adults football returning ?

Kids contact football would be end of April, non contact outdoor for 12/17 year olds is mid March I think. No specifics yet though.

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4 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Wasn’t what I meant. The ones who choose not to are unfairly penalised. If it can’t be enforced it should be advice rather than a rule. Seems a really unfair situation. 


It is unfair. 
A house down the road from me is having scaffolding put up back and front as we speak. So there is work going on. 

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15 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Why are so many tradesman just working as normal. I know a boy that fits blinds for a living, he’s been really busy. Boy at works old man is a kitchen fitter and he’s been working. Painter and decorator along the road from me is working.

 

Most tradesmen I know have had the best year in ages.

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2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

That's how much this lot care about education, in reality. Schools should never have been closed at all. 

You think nothing should have been closed at all.

 

Let's see what the data looks like end of next week and see if the slight return to school has made a difference. The current 'variant' has not been on the go when schools were open yet.

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Nookie Bear
Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Most tradesmen I know have had the best year in ages.

 

All those bored housewives?

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Byyy The Light
16 minutes ago, sadj said:

Buy a tent and wild camping is your friend... fish for yer tea , squirrel for breakfast , rabbit for lunch , deer/coo for sunday lunch 👌🏻

 

😄 If it was a weekend away without the kids (or the Mrs) then this would be right up my street.  Except the squirrel, they should all be wearing Hibs tops. Vermin.

 

 

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Don't want the Mrs sharing my new tent either
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3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Kids contact football would be end of April, non contact outdoor for 12/17 year olds is mid March I think. No specifics yet though.

Not seen anything yet on u12s ? Guess SFA bigwigs will be along to clarify

 

Looks like any 17+ footballers will be waiting for a while yet

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Nope, disgraceful. All grass roots sports has been forgotten.


Yep pretty disappointing, if they can go to school they can play foootball. 

5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:


No, but on the basis we’re going back to the tier system think it would be hitting tier 1. If your talking about watching hearts. 
 

Kids outdoor sports I thought was provisionally 15 March, 
 

Doubt tier system will look same as previously though. 


It’s more playing than watching. 
 

4 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Kids contact football would be end of April, non contact outdoor for 12/17 year olds is mid March I think. No specifics yet though.


cheers, nothing for playing adults football ? 

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2 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Most tradesmen I know have had the best year in ages.

Hearing the same. There’s a company coming round to put a block paving driveway down for me on Monday and he’s never been so busy. 

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22 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Does the “meeting outdoors from the 15th March” include having friends in your garden?

:oohmatron:

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2 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

You think nothing should have been closed at all.

 

Let's see what the data looks like end of next week and see if the slight return to school has made a difference. The current 'variant' has not been on the go when schools were open yet.

Re your first point: yes, absolutely. I'm sure my stance will be vindicated in the months and years ahead as we see what the real effects of the lockdowns are.

 

Re your second point: We could tie ourselves in knots for years worrying about variants, mutations, and so on. Children and teachers are, on the whole, not impacted by CV19. Closing schools, for weeks/months at a time, and the paltry offering of 'remote learning' in its place, has been an act of vandalism on the future by the the WM and HR governments, aided and abetted by the lacklustre 'opposition'. 

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7 minutes ago, Stone1992 said:

I get the not wanting to give dates (even though she did) and wanting to be cautious with things but why not give a route or a list of what she plans to open if the data allows from beyond end of April?

 

Just now we have a we plan to move back to tiers like before but whats in them could change. We want to open the economy but no mention of what order things will be done. 

 

All that could have been given today with no dates but instead she wants people to come back in 3 weeks. 

 

Why if she is being driven by data? She could tell us the plans for what and add in the when depending on data. 

Wonder if we will consider aligning local authority tiering metrics to the 5 WHO indicators that detetminr hiw much the virus is under control.

 

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joondalupjambo

I am guessing that BJ was probably under pressure from his back bencher's and the bigger business groups to put dates into his road map on the basis they would argue strongly that planning is required for the economic path.  The problem now is that BJ has dates but every time you turn on the telly folk chatting down south seem to be working to these dates not using them as possible's or as a from date.  I understand business needs to plan, folk are weary and so on but this could really bite BJ's bum big time if he has to pull back and revert to a even more cautious approach.  I also understand that optimism is a good thing and BJ is trying to give people hope.  I get where he is at.  

 

Up here all I know is it is historic, in our DNA and we do not seem to be such an optimistic bunch, more doom and gloom and glass half full types.  And I include myself in that at times, perhaps it is how we have been educated and/or brought up.  NS does not do optimism and that style obviously appeals to the masses or I honestly do not believe she would continue with that.  Today's announcements, and the way they were delivered were, for me part of the plan to get the people to put the crosses in the right boxes in May.  

 

Time will tell how this all pans out but I am off to Garve on a walking holiday on 6th June come hell or high water :)

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Hearing the same. There’s a company coming round to put a block paving driveway down for me on Monday and he’s never been so busy. 

Gardening facilities allowed aren't they?

 

Tenuous with a new driveway.

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Robbo-Jambo
10 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

All those bored housewives?

😅 

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3 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

:oohmatron:

😁

Yup, as soon as I posted I realised that it was open to erm... ‘misinterpretation’

 

How about ‘may one invite members of a different household into one’s garden?’

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8 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Hearing the same. There’s a company coming round to put a block paving driveway down for me on Monday and he’s never been so busy. 

 

Perhaps also a case of money sitting there needing spent that would have otherwise been spent on holidays?

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1 minute ago, FWJ said:

😁

Yup, as soon as I posted I realised that it was open to erm... ‘misinterpretation’

 

How about ‘may one invite members of a different household into one’s garden?’

🤣🤣 Thats them Tory Farmers keys in the bowl parties again

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2 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Gardening facilities allowed aren't they?

 

Tenuous with a new driveway.

Was either pay to get the garden landscaped or pave it. I thought outdoor construction work was ok but didn’t look into it tbh. 

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4 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Re your first point: yes, absolutely. I'm sure my stance will be vindicated in the months and years ahead as we see what the real effects of the lockdowns are.

 

Re your second point: We could tie ourselves in knots for years worrying about variants, mutations, and so on. Children and teachers are, on the whole, not impacted by CV19. Closing schools, for weeks/months at a time, and the paltry offering of 'remote learning' in its place, has been an act of vandalism on the future by the the WM and HR governments, aided and abetted by the lacklustre 'opposition'. 

 

If we are closing schools then we should be closing supermarkets/food shops, or at the very least severely restricting access.

 

Schools in the UK are shut because of the fear of the teaching union kicking off. In France, they remain open because the parents "union" is far stronger than the teachers.

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2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Perhaps also a case of money sitting there needing spent that would have otherwise been spent on holidays?

Certainly true in my case. That’s exactly where the cash is coming from. I put away a bit each month for holidays and just decided I’m not bothering this year, regardless of restrictions being lifted. 
 

Wife not that pleased at my decision. 🙁

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1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

If we are closing schools then we should be closing supermarkets/food shops, or at the very least severely restricting access.

 

Schools in the UK are shut because of the fear of the teaching union kicking off. In France, they remain open because the parents "union" is far stronger than the teachers.

C'est vrai, NB.

 

Schools were an easy option because a) the technology network allows for 'learning' online and b) many folk were on furlough or have WFH jobs that allow flexible times.

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7 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Re your first point: yes, absolutely. I'm sure my stance will be vindicated in the months and years ahead as we see what the real effects of the lockdowns are.

 

 

Think you'll find that the countries who did lockdown properly will be vindicated in their stance....and the UK and many others are not in that boat.  But there were others who did lockdown and are now coming out of it both population and economically better than many others.

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2 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Was either pay to get the garden landscaped or pave it. I thought outdoor construction work was ok but didn’t look into it tbh. 

 

I thought it was/is tbf as well. The indoor stuff is where people are pushing it a bit I think. New kitchens for example, whilst there's nothing functionally wrong with the existing one etc

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1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

Certainly true in my case. That’s exactly where the cash is coming from. I put away a bit each month for holidays and just decided I’m not bothering this year, regardless of restrictions being lifted. 

 

Just wait for a sunny day, put the deckchairs out onto your newly paved driveway, make a couple of tequila cocktails, put on some flamenco music, shut your eyes, and Bob's your Uncle. :thumbsup:

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5 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Hearing the same. There’s a company coming round to put a block paving driveway down for me on Monday and he’s never been so busy. 

 

I did my own block driveway when I was on furlough. Bit of rendering and landscaping and that. Had about a dozen folk see me working and ask me to give them a quote.

I was considering jacking in the day job and starting up, as it's hard graft but piss easy. My brother in law does it as a sideline and scoops around a grand a week on top of his regular wage.

Very weather dependent though. I wouldn't fancy being involved in groundworks/ landscaping over the winter months.

 

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2 minutes ago, Gards said:

Think you'll find that the countries who did lockdown properly will be vindicated in their stance....and the UK and many others are not in that boat.  But there were others who did lockdown and are now coming out of it both population and economically better than many others.

It goes beyond that, though, Gards.

 

The negative impact of lockdowns and job losses will never be measured to the same extent as the daily case fetish and the unreliable death figures. Countries like NZ shit the bed everytime one case of CV19 is found. That's just as bonkers as keeping things open.

 

There are massive cultural and societal difference between the UK (and western Europe in general) and the Asian success stories that make any comparison superficial at best.

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1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I did my own block driveway when I was on furlough. Bit of rendering and landscaping and that. Had about a dozen folk see me working and ask me to give them a quote.

I was considering jacking in the day job and starting up, as it's hard graft but piss easy. My brother in law does it as a sideline and scoops around a grand a week on top of his regular wage.

Very weather dependent though. I wouldn't fancy being involved in groundworks/ landscaping over the winter months.

 

But before the blocks do you use a thwacker and a layer or just through the dabs down on the ground? :)

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