Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[heartstastic]

19 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

What I liked the most is that you presented that original article as if it were real science.

 

Instead the article came from the Medical Hypotheses journal, a journal that has had quite a controversial history.

 

Previous papers in that journal, according to its Wikipedia page, have included one that posited that "schizophrenia may be caused by wearing heeled shoes", while "two Medical Hypotheses authors posited "Mongolid" [RJ note - "o" omitted intentionally as JKB doesn't like the term] as an accurate term for people with Down syndrome because those with Down syndrome share characteristics with people of Asian origin, including a reported interest in crafts, sitting with crossed legs and eating foods containing monosodium glutamate (MSG)."

 

The founder of the journal commented at one point on submitted papers: "We are not looking at whether or not the paper is true but merely at whether it is interesting."

 

And this was the journal from which you took the paper which you used to attempt to back up your claims. No concept of "these are someone's ideas", just "here is a study done on masks".

 

With all due respect, my dear Heartstastic, I advise you to step back and examine your beliefs and opinions in the cold harsh light of day and try to avoid disappearing so far down the rabbit hole that the only thing remaining to be seen above ground is your arse.

 

And the Danish study?

 

So by your logic we should just discount everything the bbc publishes as news from now on as they've been caught lying about various very serious issues over the years.

 

You've not actually rebutted any of the data in the study other than look for something to discredit it in the first place...a very handy get out clause as always.

 

Another wannabe wordsmith that doesn't offer anything other than slander and deflection.

 

Edited April 17, 2021 by heartstastic

[redjambo]

8 minutes ago, heartstastic said:

And the Danish study?

 

So by your logic we should just discount everything the bbc publishes as news from now on as they've been caught lying about various very serious issues over the years.

 

You've not actually rebutted any of the data in the study other than look for something to discredit it in the first place...a very handy get out clause as always.

 

Another wannabe wordsmith that doesn't offer anything other than slander and deflection.

 

 

The article which discredited it did so by rebutting the claims it made.

 

Forget what I said about the rabbit hole. It's obviously far too late.

[heartstastic]

You are most certainly down one.....enjoy being brainwashed it seems a good fit for you.

Edited April 17, 2021 by heartstastic

[Ulysses]

22 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

The article which discredited it did so by rebutting the claims it made.

 

Forget what I said about the rabbit hole. It's obviously far too late.

 

You know how this works.  Leave it be.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

3 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

You know how this works.  Leave it be.

Sounds like a new variant of fruitloop virus which started in Canada.

[A Boy Named Crow]

4 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes its obvious the big pharma companies are not wanting it to end. Its a massive wet dream for them really, particularly if we are ordered , sorry asked to get boosters every 6 months or so.  Lets get on with living and not obsessing about it. Its very unhealthy for a myriad of reasons. As you say focus on rebuilding all which was lost due to the Govts response to covid and lets just hope they have the sense never to have another lockdown of any sort again.  

I completely understand why people in the UK have so much hatred for lockdowns. The problem is, they work if done correctly.  

 

The way the UK did 2020 was like somebody who was told by his doctor he was putting on weight,  so had to exercise and eat properly. (Think of this like lockdown, closing borders, contact tracing etc in the covid context).

 

The guy at the doctor ignores the advice for a while,  and puts on tons of weight.  He then thinks he better do something about it, so he goes to the gym, hard, for a couple of weeks, while still eating Mars bars and drinking lager. 

 

The gym does slow his weight gain, so he thinks it's problem solved and stops going, so his weight balloons again. 

 

This is like the UK doing its lockdowns, while keeping the border open and not effectively tracing contacts, then wrapping the lockdown far too early.

 

The guy then decides the gym doesn't work and it seems folk have decided lockdowns don't work. The problem is, neither did it right in the first place, you've got to at least give it a go before you can the idea.

Edited April 17, 2021 by A Boy Named Crow

[ri Alban]

5 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

I completely understand why people in the UK have so much hatred for lockdowns. The problem is, they work if done correctly.  

 

The way the UK did 2020 was like somebody who was told by his doctor he was putting on weight,  so had to exercise and eat properly. (Think of this like lockdown, closing borders, contact tracing etc in the covid context).

 

The guy at the doctor ignores the advice for a while,  and puts on tons of weight.  He then thinks he better do something about it, so he goes to the gym, hard, for a couple of weeks, while still eating Mars bars and drinking lager. 

 

The gym does slow his weight gain, so he thinks it's problem solved and stops going, so his weight balloons again. 

 

This is like the UK doing its lockdowns, while keeping the border open and not effectively tracing contacts, then wrapping the lockdown far too early.

 

The guy then decides the gym doesn't work and it seems folk have decided lockdowns don't work. The problem is, neither did it right in the first place, you've got to at least give it a go before you can the idea.

It really is amazing how folk ignore the death toll caused by WM allowing open borders and are now triumphantly blowing the collective trumpet about the vaccine, which has yet to be properly exposed to normal service. 

 

Scotland almost eradicated  covid by August 2020(2 cases) Then boom dafties bring the English variant to Scotland because they can't not go to Blackpool or tend their caravan in some gypsy site just across the border. 

 

Now there's the P1 Brazilian death sentence variant and the newly team handed Indian variant and we still let folk by the thousands in to the 4 nations every day, who are all dodging the rules. 

 

 

Just let everyone out, but give the sensible people a handheld tazer to keep the social distancing. Which is the only thing I'm sure works. 

Edited April 17, 2021 by ri Alban

[A Boy Named Crow]

19 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

It really is amazing how folk ignore the death toll caused by WM allowing open borders and are now triumphantly blowing the collective trumpet about the vaccine, which has yet to be properly exposed to normal service. 

 

Scotland almost eradicated  covid by August 2020(2 cases) Then boom dafties bring the English variant to Scotland because they can't not go to Blackpool or tend their caravan in some gypsy site just across the border. 

 

Now there's the P1 Brazilian death sentence variant and the newly team handed Indian variant and we still let folk by the thousands in to the 4 nations every day, who are all dodging the rules. 

 

 

Just let everyone out, but give the sensible people a handheld tazer to keep the social distancing. Which is the only thing I'm sure works. 

The variants are another thing,  viruses mutate all the time, most variations fail and die out, but the monstrous number of cases in the UK, Brazil and India gave it a chance to mutate so many times that eventually something stuck. We're still holding our breath,  waiting for the US variants to make themselves known...

 

...but still you get roasters shouting that we should all just get on with it,  let the virus circulate, mutate, and then...what? Say there was nothing we could do?

[JudyJudyJudy]

16 hours ago, Taffin said:

Saw a post on LinkedIn sharing a graph from the BBC plotting the risk of vaccine Vs Covid Vs RTA etc.

 

All the comments below are trivialising the vaccine risk like

 

"if we worried about everything we'd never do anything". 

 

"You need to accept some risk"

 

"The vaccine is a no brainer"

 

Meanwhile the chart shows that it's an 11 in a million risk of death from vaccine or 23 in a million risk of death with Covid for a 25 year old.

 

Welcome to what we've been saying all year boomers...funny how it's now all 'you just gotta live with a bit of risk'

Interesting study it is from Oct 2020 but doubt things have changed that much

 

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/?fbclid=IwAR13GX1BnrgQyqJJImxy3QtNap5Cp8_ZbnkHQyAnNpZhiesu6xM35BKP08o

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My girlfriend got the vaccine three weeks ago. She's had headaches on and off since then which have increased in severity over the past four days. Painkillers aren't doing the job now. She also had a rash up the length of one leg and a lump on the injection site which hasn't went down. 

 

Why would any, sane, healthy, relatively young person go through with this shit? Unless it was for "the greater good" or, more likely, coerced into it by employers? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 hours ago, heartstastic said:

I'm sure you will find FACT CHECKERS debunked this one as well. Just using your common sense should tell you that wearing something that restricts your respiratory system for prolonged periods would cause issues of somekind. I don't need a 'scientist' to figure that out.

 

What happens if you stick a sock over a car exhaust?

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-

Interesting meme about the masks . I’m still undecided abut their efficacy and inky wear them due to societal pressure . But if they do prevent some infections that’s fine but breathing in your own oxygen etc isn’t healthy 

8 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

I completely understand why people in the UK have so much hatred for lockdowns. The problem is, they work if done correctly.  

 

The way the UK did 2020 was like somebody who was told by his doctor he was putting on weight,  so had to exercise and eat properly. (Think of this like lockdown, closing borders, contact tracing etc in the covid context).

 

The guy at the doctor ignores the advice for a while,  and puts on tons of weight.  He then thinks he better do something about it, so he goes to the gym, hard, for a couple of weeks, while still eating Mars bars and drinking lager. 

 

The gym does slow his weight gain, so he thinks it's problem solved and stops going, so his weight balloons again. 

 

This is like the UK doing its lockdowns, while keeping the border open and not effectively tracing contacts, then wrapping the lockdown far too early.

 

The guy then decides the gym doesn't work and it seems folk have decided lockdowns don't work. The problem is, neither did it right in the first place, you've got to at least give it a go before you can the idea.

If the govts had used track and trace better we might not have needed more lock downs and just had localised lockdowns ? Very localised . 

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

It really is amazing how folk ignore the death toll caused by WM allowing open borders and are now triumphantly blowing the collective trumpet about the vaccine, which has yet to be properly exposed to normal service. 

 

Scotland almost eradicated  covid by August 2020(2 cases) Then boom dafties bring the English variant to Scotland because they can't not go to Blackpool or tend their caravan in some gypsy site just across the border. 

 

Now there's the P1 Brazilian death sentence variant and the newly team handed Indian variant and we still let folk by the thousands in to the 4 nations every day, who are all dodging the rules. 

 

 

Just let everyone out, but give the sensible people a handheld tazer to keep the social distancing. Which is the only thing I'm sure works. 

It was also shameful what happened in Scotland with the care fines fiasco . You forget to mention that ? U seem to be on a tirade though which I have noted from previous tirades brings out the anti any thing Scottish in particular our neighbours down south and blinds you to facts . We have an open border with England and always will unless we gain independence . There were times when the infection rates in Scotland were  considerably worse than England . But that inconvenient truth was distorted by Nicola and co . Making reference to caravan parks  as “ Gypsy sites “ is inaccurate as well as insulting and racist to gypsies as if they are a sun human group of people’s. Is this the new Scotland attitude we will have if you are involved in an independent Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 of you so count me out . 

[Taffin]

8 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

I completely understand why people in the UK have so much hatred for lockdowns. The problem is, they work if done correctly.  

 

The way the UK did 2020 was like somebody who was told by his doctor he was putting on weight,  so had to exercise and eat properly. (Think of this like lockdown, closing borders, contact tracing etc in the covid context).

 

The guy at the doctor ignores the advice for a while,  and puts on tons of weight.  He then thinks he better do something about it, so he goes to the gym, hard, for a couple of weeks, while still eating Mars bars and drinking lager. 

 

The gym does slow his weight gain, so he thinks it's problem solved and stops going, so his weight balloons again. 

 

This is like the UK doing its lockdowns, while keeping the border open and not effectively tracing contacts, then wrapping the lockdown far too early.

 

The guy then decides the gym doesn't work and it seems folk have decided lockdowns don't work. The problem is, neither did it right in the first place, you've got to at least give it a go before you can the idea.

 

That analogy is true of lockdowns full stop though, not just the UK. The minute you stop the problem is back.

 

It's probably closer to fasting than the gym as it's a short term effective strategy. It works to arrest the emergency, however it's not sustainable, as soon as you stop your weight balloons and if you do it forever, you have very serious other implications.

 

Going to the gym forever is sustainable, lockdown isn't.

 

 

 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said:

My girlfriend got the vaccine three weeks ago. She's had headaches on and off since then which have increased in severity over the past four days. Painkillers aren't doing the job now. She also had a rash up the length of one leg and a lump on the injection site which hasn't went down. 

 

Why would any, sane, healthy, relatively young person go through with this shit? Unless it was for "the greater good" or, more likely, coerced into it by employers? 

Apparently to create herd immunity which  the anti herd immunity zealots decried last year as inhuman but are ok with the Fact that healthy people are infected with a drug which the longer term consequences are unknown ? Never mind the short term . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

That analogy is true of lockdowns full stop though, not just the UK. The minute you stop the problem is back.

 

It's probably closer to fasting than the gym as it's a short term effective strategy. It works to arrest the emergency, however it's not sustainable, as soon as you stop your weight balloons and if you do it forever, you have very serious other implications.

 

Going to the gym forever is sustainable, lockdown isn't.

 

 

 

 

 

Yea they are not sustainable in the long term for a whole host of reasons 

[Ray Gin]

14 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

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Very well said. No one gave a f^^^ about older adults dying before covid. Unless they were a relative. No one certainly gave a damn about those with serious underlying conditions who actually were stigmatised and mocked as benefit scrongers ( well some really ) etc. Its all so fake really. Virtual signalling at its best. Yes this mantra " do your bit" etc is all very Orwellian. You cannot escape it. Even trying to chill out listening to music on Youtube gets interrupted with it all. 

It will end once Govts explicity state there will be no more lockdowns. 

Exactly right. Remember the carry on last December when the Kent variant came on the scene ? Exactly at the time restrictions were maybe getting lifted ?  The same Kent variant which was around since Sept.  Enzo people are just literally saying " oh ff^^^ off " when they hear about new variants as they are so distrustful of the information about those supposedly new variants and the reasons why the Govt are informing the public of them .  As i said most people have agreed to voluntary take the vaccine . They have done their bit  its now up to the Govts to honour their part now. 

 

The Kent variant that sent cases through the roof again? 

[A Boy Named Crow]

5 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

That analogy is true of lockdowns full stop though, not just the UK. The minute you stop the problem is back.

 

It's probably closer to fasting than the gym as it's a short term effective strategy. It works to arrest the emergency, however it's not sustainable, as soon as you stop your weight balloons and if you do it forever, you have very serious other implications.

 

Going to the gym forever is sustainable, lockdown isn't.

 

 

 

 

 

Not really, we locked down here (Australia) last year, told the rest of the world to bugger off,  then lifted the lockdowns when the transmission levels were next to nothing.  

 

Solid contact tracing and localised lockdowns when required, have meant we are now living normal lives again. The virus hasn't come back,  except for returning residents and a handful of community transmissions this year. 

 

Once everyone is vaccinated, we'll open the borders and off we go. It didn't cost thousands upon thousands of people their lives, all it took was a government* with the good sense to act quickly. 

 

 

* Governments actually,  the individual state premiers really stepped up,  if it had been left to Scott Morrison in Canberra,  we'd have been in a UK/USA type scenario. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

The Kent variant that sent cases through the roof again? 

Yes the one which started in September though 

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes the one which started in September though 

 

Yeah it started with just a handful in September and boomed to become the dominant strain which has kept us in a harsh lockdown for months. Not sure I understand any attempt to trivialise it. This hasn't been fun. 

[A Boy Named Crow]

18 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yea they are not sustainable in the long term for a whole host of reasons 

Of course not,  but they are very useful at knocking the infection rate on the head when used in conjunction with what I mentioned earlier.  Also, as you say, once you get to the point where infection numbers are very low,  you can get very targeted with the lockdowns as required.  

The post I first quoted though, you were calling for no lockdowns of any sort ever again. My point is, done properly,  they work. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

14 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Not really, we locked down here (Australia) last year, told the rest of the world to bugger off,  then lifted the lockdowns when the transmission levels were next to nothing.  

 

Solid contact tracing and localised lockdowns when required, have meant we are now living normal lives again. The virus hasn't come back,  except for returning residents and a handful of community transmissions this year. 

 

Once everyone is vaccinated, we'll open the borders and off we go. It didn't cost thousands upon thousands of people their lives, all it took was a government* with the good sense to act quickly. 

 

 

* Governments actually,  the individual state premiers really stepped up,  if it had been left to Scott Morrison in Canberra,  we'd have been in a UK/USA type scenario. 

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[JudyJudyJudy]

27 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Yeah it started with just a handful in September and boomed to become the dominant strain which has kept us in a harsh lockdown for months. Not sure I understand any attempt to trivialise it. This hasn't been fun. 

No one is attempting trivalise  it  Your distorting  things.  

 

23 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Of course not,  but they are very useful at knocking the infection rate on the head when used in conjunction with what I mentioned earlier.  Also, as you say, once you get to the point where infection numbers are very low,  you can get very targeted with the lockdowns as required.  

The post I first quoted though, you were calling for no lockdowns of any sort ever again. My point is, done properly,  they work. 

Yes well I dont think we should have them again. The vaccines and a robust track and trace should be enough to ward off any high infection rates ( note  i said infection rates not deaths) 

[coconut doug]

16 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

To borrow some more parlance... I'll trust the experts rather than someone on an internet forum, thanks all the same.

 This will be the article you mentioned. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56665396

 

You will note from the appendixthey printed and analysed the wrong figures in their original version of this article.

 

If you want to want to take their pronouncements as gospel then you should read the article in its entirety then hopefully you will realise that it doesn't say what you claim. A comparison was made between getting a blood clot as a possible result of the vaccine and deferring getting vaccinated by one week. Even then for 25 year olds the evidence was clear that vaccination is considerably safer. What about subsequent weeks? They don't mention that. what  about long covid which is many times more prevalent at this age and what about onward transmission?

Looking at the effects of a pandemic on one particular age group with only one factor over a very short time span is not good science. 

 

[Taffin]

52 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Not really, we locked down here (Australia) last year, told the rest of the world to bugger off,  then lifted the lockdowns when the transmission levels were next to nothing.  

 

Solid contact tracing and localised lockdowns when required, have meant we are now living normal lives again. The virus hasn't come back,  except for returning residents and a handful of community transmissions this year. 

 

Once everyone is vaccinated, we'll open the borders and off we go. It didn't cost thousands upon thousands of people their lives, all it took was a government* with the good sense to act quickly. 

 

 

* Governments actually,  the individual state premiers really stepped up,  if it had been left to Scott Morrison in Canberra,  we'd have been in a UK/USA type scenario. 

 

In my world closed borders is a country in lockdown but fair dos. A little different to achieve in Europe too.

 

When you open your borders, if someone imports a new strain that spreads you're back to square one.

[Taffin]

8 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 This will be the article you mentioned. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-

 

You will note from the appendixthey printed and analysed the wrong figures in their original version of this article.

 

The numbers are still 11 and 23 per 100,000 on what I was talking about, so no issues there.

 

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If you want to want to take their pronouncements as gospel then you should read the article in its entirety then hopefully you will realise that it doesn't say what you claim.

 

Its 11 per 100,000 for blood clots from the vaccine, 23 per 100,000 from Covid for deaths for 25 year olds.

 

Neither of those numbers are even worth worrying about. The risk is so minimal. My claim, as you put it, was that the same people who were telling us the risk from Covid was too high are now telling us that you 'can't live life in fear etc'. That's been how young healthy people have generally seen Covid the whole time. 

 

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c Amparison was made between getting a blood clot as a possible result of the vaccine and deferring getting vaccinated by one week. Even then for 25 year olds the evidence was clear that vaccination is considerably safer.

 

 

I never said it wasn't safer. I said both are so small, they aren't worth worrying about. The risk from the vaccine isn't worth worrying about, nor is the risk from Covid for that age group. 

 

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hat about subsequent weeks? They don't mention that. what  about long covid which is many times more prevalent at this age and what about onward transmission?

Looking at the effects of a pandemic on one particular age group with only one factor over a very short time span is not good science. 

 

 

 

There's no direct reason for a 25 year old to get the vaccine...other than being coerced with the offer of their rights back. Until they manage to articulate that, they'll struggle to get uptake.

Edited April 17, 2021 by Taffin

[Taffin]

1 hour ago, Salad Fingers said:

My girlfriend got the vaccine three weeks ago. She's had headaches on and off since then which have increased in severity over the past four days. Painkillers aren't doing the job now. She also had a rash up the length of one leg and a lump on the injection site which hasn't went down. 

 

Why would any, sane, healthy, relatively young person go through with this shit? Unless it was for "the greater good" or, more likely, coerced into it by employers? 

 

Feel for you and your partner. Sounds awful.

 

In regards to your question. I'll probably take it just so that all the old farts stop whining about it.

[Costanza]

1 hour ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Not really, we locked down here (Australia) last year, told the rest of the world to bugger off,  then lifted the lockdowns when the transmission levels were next to nothing.  

 

Solid contact tracing and localised lockdowns when required, have meant we are now living normal lives again. The virus hasn't come back,  except for returning residents and a handful of community transmissions this year. 

 

Once everyone is vaccinated, we'll open the borders and off we go. It didn't cost thousands upon thousands of people their lives, all it took was a government* with the good sense to act quickly. 

 

 

* Governments actually,  the individual state premiers really stepped up,  if it had been left to Scott Morrison in Canberra,  we'd have been in a UK/USA type scenario. 

Couldn't have done that in the UK as you're an island and a sovereign country.

Ahem, at least some countries tackled this correctly.

If you advocated the UK taking a similar approach here, you were branded by some numpties on this thread as zero covid fantastists and lockdown zealots.

[Taffin]

19 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

The numbers are still 11 and 23 per 100,000 on what I was talking about, so no issues there.

 

 

Its 11 per 100,000 for blood clots from the vaccine, 23 per 100,000 from Covid for deaths for 25 year olds.

 

Neither of those numbers are even worth worrying about. The risk is so minimal. My claim, as you put it, was that the same people who were telling us the risk from Covid was too high are now telling us that you 'can't live life in fear etc'. That's been how young healthy people have generally seen Covid the whole time. 

 

 

 

I never said it wasn't safer. I said both are so small, they aren't worth worrying about. The risk from the vaccine isn't worth worrying about, nor is the risk from Covid for that age group. 

 

 

 

There's no direct reason for a 25 year old to get the vaccine...other than being coerced with the offer of their rights back. Until they manage to articulate that, they'll struggle to get uptake.

 

I mean 1,000,000 not 100,000 for clarity before that forms the next straw man riposte.

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39 minutes ago, Barack said:

She seen a doctor about that...?

 

Was on the phone to NHS24 this morning. A GP phoned her back and she has an appointment with an out of hours GP at the hospital at 1.30. 

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 17 April 2021

Summary

• 210 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+6; down from 281 a week ago]
• 19,331 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 1.2% of these were positive [+1,206; -0.2%]
• 2 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-1]
• 2,733,387 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 715,714 have received their second dose [+11,303; +26,953]

[redjambo]

Today's national trend stats. No hospitalisation/ICU figures are published at weekends. We won't have 7-day council area case stats based on reporting date for another week due to yesterday's data hole. Also note that due to the deaths figure being so low at the moment (great news of course), I've added the tenths digit so that we can have a better idea of how it's moving (otherwise it would just be 2 almost every day at the moment) - if folk want me to change this back then no problem.

 

			Today	Yesterday			15 Apr	14 Apr	13 Apr	12 Apr	11 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland (7-day per-100,000 cases)			29	31	-2		32	34	35	35	36	...	59
7-day averages
Tests			18128	18536	-408		18906	19335	18949	18794	19019	...	21722
Positivity rate %			1.5	1.5	0.0		1.5	1.6	1.6	1.7	1.7	...	2.4
Deaths			1.7	2.0	-0.3		2.4	2.4	2.7	2.3	2.3	...	5.4
All Vaccinations			36269	37208	-939		37352	36603	35176	33892	31651	...	49063
1st Dose			12838	13787	-949		14266	14434	14984	14778	14820	...	29659
2nd Dose			23431	23421	+10		23086	22169	20192	19114	16831	...	19404

 

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, Salad Fingers said:

 

Was on the phone to NHS24 this morning. A GP phoned her back and she has an appointment with an out of hours GP at the hospital at 1.30. 

 

Fingers crossed for you both, Salad. I'm sure she'll be in the best of hands either way. 👍

[Footballfirst]

26 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's national trend stats. No hospitalisation/ICU figures are published at weekends. We won't have 7-day council area case stats based on reporting date for another week due to yesterday's data hole. Also note that due to the deaths figure being so low at the moment (great news of course), I've added the tenths digit so that we can have a better idea of how it's moving (otherwise it would just be 2 almost every day at the moment) - if folk want me to change this back then no problem.

 

			Today	Yesterday			15 Apr	14 Apr	13 Apr	12 Apr	11 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland (7-day per-100,000 cases)			29	31	-2		32	34	35	35	36	...	59
7-day averages
Tests			18128	18536	-408		18906	19335	18949	18794	19019	...	21722
Positivity rate %			1.5	1.5	0.0		1.5	1.6	1.6	1.7	1.7	...	2.4
Deaths			1.7	2.0	-0.3		2.4	2.4	2.7	2.3	2.3	...	5.4
All Vaccinations			36269	37208	-939		37352	36603	35176	33892	31651	...	49063
1st Dose			12838	13787	-949		14266	14434	14984	14778	14820	...	29659
2nd Dose			23431	23421	+10		23086	22169	20192	19114	16831	...	19404

 

Do you retain the daily cumulative totals for the Local Authority areas?

 

If you do, then it may be possible to fill in yesterday's hole in the figures.

e.g. Edinburgh had 15 positives reported in today's figures for a cumulative total of 16,782. I think yesterday's figure was 12 as posted by another poster.

Edited April 17, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Gizmo]

13 hours ago, heartstastic said:

And the Danish study?

 

So by your logic we should just discount everything the bbc publishes as news from now on as they've been caught lying about various very serious issues over the years.

 

You've not actually rebutted any of the data in the study other than look for something to discredit it in the first place...a very handy get out clause as always.

 

Another wannabe wordsmith that doesn't offer anything other than slander and deflection.

 

Laughable. You cherry picked a fake paper to give off the veneer that you research beyond the telegram nutjob groups and youtube, yet you demand, in return, a personal rebuttal of a scientific and medical issue from anyone who responds.

Stop trying to shift the burden of proof - we see your well rehearsed, bad faith tactics straight out of the conspiracy theorists playbook.

[redjambo]

11 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Do you retain the daily cumulative totals for the Local Authority areas?

 

If you do, then it may be possible to fill in yesterday's hole in the figures.

e.g. Edinburgh had 15 positives reported in today's figures for a cumulative total of 16,782. I think yesterday's figure was 12 as posted by another poster.

 

I don't, FF, although I'm currently looking for the 15 April cumulative totals (which I deleted after having given up yesterday) so that I can try, for my own interest, to see if I can calculate rough figures. Yesterday the SG produced case stats for the health boards, but not the local authorities. The local authority cumulative totals were updated to include both the raw case figures, whatever they were, and the adjusted figures so you can't easily work back to the non-adjusted figures. However, given the region totals and the cases by specimen data which you suggested yesterday, I might be able to figure something out (e.g proportional attribution of a board's data to its component local authorities using some factor).

 

Some local authority areas are easier - I noticed yesterday that some areas hadn't increased their cumulative total at all which, assuming that none of the historical adjustments were negative, indicates there were no adjustments for those areas and their daily cases were in fact 0: the 3 island areas and Midlothian. Also, Fife is both a local authority area and a health board (as are the island regions so they could also have been figured out that way) so the 11 cases the board had yesterday will also be the figure for the Fife local authority.

 

At this stage, as I said, it's purely for my own interest as I doubt I will be able to accurately infer the data. I don't mind waiting a week for the Council stats to start flowing again. It's just a pity that we are being denied the opportunity to see that current up-to-date information due to the incorporation of months-old data by the SG.

[DETTY29]

Haven't checked every day to see if anyone posted, but the new strategic framework has been published.

‐‐------‐--------------------------

 

Timetable for easing restrictions

We expect to move through the levels on the following dates:

• 26 April: mainland Scotland and islands at Level 4 are expected to move to Level 3. Islands at Level 3 will remain there until 17 May
• 17 May: all of Scotland will move to Level 2
• June (early): all of Scotland will move to Level 1
• June (late): all of Scotland will move to Level 0

See the attached PDF table for summary information on what you can and cannot do at each level. 

Read our planned timetable for easing restrictions.

We will keep these plans under review.

--------------------------

Clicked on boldest summary information.

 

Unfortunately I've a family funeral (aunts) on 26th.  Was very surprised to have been asked by time kids, grand kids, great grand kids, brothers and sisters in law taken into account but it does look like it moves to 50 people on the day allowed, and at wake.

 

Edited April 17, 2021 by DETTY29

[Салатные палочки]

The doctor said that it is the release of antibodies from the vaccine that is causing the headaches. He's not concerned as there is no other side effects like shortness of breath, chest pains etc. It's a relief to her but I still feel bad for her, to go from no headaches to pounding headaches every day since. 

[A Boy Named Crow]

3 hours ago, Costanza said:

Couldn't have done that in the UK as you're an island and a sovereign country.

Ahem, at least some countries tackled this correctly.

If you advocated the UK taking a similar approach here, you were branded by some numpties on this thread as zero covid fantastists and lockdown zealots.

The ones I struggle with are the folk who try to tell you it is impossible to suppress the virus,  no matter what you do...even as you point out to them the various countries that made a pretty good job of suppressing the virus. 

 

The British government,  aided and abetted by a piss poor media, did a great job of screwing it up for you all massively last year. I honestly don't know how Boris Johnson and friends sleep at night,  knowing they killed thousands of people through mismanaging a crisis. I'd be beside myself!

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

Today's national trend stats. No hospitalisation/ICU figures are published at weekends. We won't have 7-day council area case stats based on reporting date for another week due to yesterday's data hole. Also note that due to the deaths figure being so low at the moment (great news of course), I've added the tenths digit so that we can have a better idea of how it's moving (otherwise it would just be 2 almost every day at the moment) - if folk want me to change this back then no problem.

 

			Today	Yesterday			15 Apr	14 Apr	13 Apr	12 Apr	11 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland (7-day per-100,000 cases)			29	31	-2		32	34	35	35	36	...	59
7-day averages
Tests			18128	18536	-408		18906	19335	18949	18794	19019	...	21722
Positivity rate %			1.5	1.5	0.0		1.5	1.6	1.6	1.7	1.7	...	2.4
Deaths			1.7	2.0	-0.3		2.4	2.4	2.7	2.3	2.3	...	5.4
All Vaccinations			36269	37208	-939		37352	36603	35176	33892	31651	...	49063
1st Dose			12838	13787	-949		14266	14434	14984	14778	14820	...	29659
2nd Dose			23431	23421	+10		23086	22169	20192	19114	16831	...	19404

 

👍

[The Real Maroonblood]

19 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said:

The doctor said that it is the release of antibodies from the vaccine that is causing the headaches. He's not concerned as there is no other side effects like shortness of breath, chest pains etc. It's a relief to her but I still feel bad for her, to go from no headaches to pounding headaches every day since. 

Hopefully sooner than later she’ll pick up.

[Unknown user]

4 hours ago, Gizmo said:

Laughable. You cherry picked a fake paper to give off the veneer that you research beyond the telegram nutjob groups and youtube, yet you demand, in return, a personal rebuttal of a scientific and medical issue from anyone who responds.

Stop trying to shift the burden of proof - we see your well rehearsed, bad faith tactics straight out of the conspiracy theorists playbook.

It's absolutely crazy, a situation that allows people to disregard actual scientific study in reputable publications in favour of radge waffle that suits, and then demand scientific rebuttal of said waffle.

 

Isn't it amazing that the many many thousands of incredibly smart scientists in the establishment who grew up loving science and the pursuit of understanding have now turned their attention to duping the populace in a global nefarious scheme, and on the quiet too.

[Governor Tarkin]

12 minutes ago, Smithee said:

n't it amazing that the many many thousands of incredibly smart scientists in the establishment who grew up loving science and the pursuit of understanding have now turned their attention to duping the populace in a global nefarious scheme, and on the quiet too.

 

Can think of worse ways to while away a few hours tbh.

 

4 hours ago, Salad Fingers said:

The doctor said that it is the release of antibodies from the vaccine that is causing the headaches. He's not concerned as there is no other side effects like shortness of breath, chest pains etc. It's a relief to her but I still feel bad for her, to go from no headaches to pounding headaches every day since. 

 

Hopefully she's on the mend soon, Salad. 👍

[ri Alban]

The CTs people let into their brain. 

[Footballfirst]

23 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

The CTs people let into their brain. 

 

hypothesis

noun

1. a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

    

   In other words make an outlandish claim, then search for anything that could justify it, including equally outlandish "research studies", while ignoring all all other evidence that could contradict the claim.

Edited April 17, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Gizmo]

2 hours ago, Smithee said:

It's absolutely crazy, a situation that allows people to disregard actual scientific study in reputable publications in favour of radge waffle that suits, and then demand scientific rebuttal of said waffle.

 

Isn't it amazing that the many many thousands of incredibly smart scientists in the establishment who grew up loving science and the pursuit of understanding have now turned their attention to duping the populace in a global nefarious scheme, and on the quiet too.

 

28 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

hypothesis

noun

1. a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

    

   In other words make an outlandish claim, then search for anything that could justify it, including equally outlandish "research studies", while ignoring all all other evidence that could contradict the claim.

It's so frustrating. A degree of cynicism and critically analysing the claim is absolutely right - that's one of the things that make science work. But this new style of conspiracy theorist, whilst not smart enough to break out of the echo chamber, has learned enough tricks to fool a few others. That they have the temerity to chuck Dunning-Kruger at others, shows that they only repeat other folk's ideas and, crucially, don't actually understand what Dunning & Kruger were getting at - if they did, they'd know its something we can all fall foul of. 

[ri Alban]

5 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

 

hypothesis

noun

1. a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

    

   In other words make an outlandish claim, then search for anything that could justify it, including equally outlandish "research studies", while ignoring all all other evidence that could contradict the claim.

Confirmation bias. 👍

[SpruceBringsteen]

Got my first jab over here in Connecticut the day. Now I'm no as important as some weirdo guy on the internet who watched a YouTube video, so Bill Gates hasn't controlled me yet. But there's still time (also Bill and the old Jewish guy that apparently sends every one $1000 for posting, my DMs are open and my tv is old cheers)

[heartstastic]

22 hours ago, Gizmo said:

Laughable. You cherry picked a fake paper to give off the veneer that you research beyond the telegram nutjob groups and youtube, yet you demand, in return, a personal rebuttal of a scientific and medical issue from anyone who responds.

Stop trying to shift the burden of proof - we see your well rehearsed, bad faith tactics straight out of the conspiracy theorists playbook.

 

[redjambo]

30 minutes ago, heartstastic said:

 

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/21/facebook-posts/disposable-homemade-masks-are-effective-stopping-a/

 

...

But other masks, like the ear-loop ones in the photo or homemade cloth masks, are effective in reducing the spread of the disease, or what health experts call "source control." When you wear these masks it is most helpful to people around you.

 

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention doesn’t recommend that the general public wear medical-grade masks like the N95 because they are in high demand, and officials say they should be reserved for health care workers who are in direct contact with infected patients. 

 

As an additional public health measure, the agency recommends that people wear cloth face coverings in public settings to help slow the spread of COVID-19:

 

The "CDC still recommends that you stay at least 6 feet away from other people (social distancing), frequent hand cleaning and other everyday preventive actions. A cloth face covering is not intended to protect the wearer, but it may prevent the spread of virus from the wearer to others. This would be especially important if someone is infected but does not have symptoms."

 

Jeremy Howard, a data scientist at the University of San Francisco, wrote an article in the Conversation in favor of universal mask wearing. Howard says that researchers were looking at the wrong question at first – how well a mask protects the wearer from infection – and not how well a mask prevents an infected person from spreading the virus. He said masks function very differently as personal protective equipment versus "source control."

 

Our ruling

A photograph of a box of disposable masks shows a warning label that says the masks "will not provide any protections against COVID-19."

 

Such disclaimers don’t mean that the masks are ineffective at slowing the spread of the disease, but that they don’t protect the wearer as well as medical respirators such as the N95 recommended for use by health care professionals. Disposable and homemade cloth masks are recommended for people to wear because it protects others around them in case they have the virus and may not be showing any symptoms.

 

The users sharing this image are making a false interpretation of the type of protection standard face masks provide. We rate it False.

 

[heartstastic]

17 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/21/facebook-posts/disposable-homemade-masks-are-effective-stopping-a/

 

...

But other masks, like the ear-loop ones in the photo or homemade cloth masks, are effective in reducing the spread of the disease, or what health experts call "source control." When you wear these masks it is most helpful to people around you.

 

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention doesn’t recommend that the general public wear medical-grade masks like the N95 because they are in high demand, and officials say they should be reserved for health care workers who are in direct contact with infected patients. 

 

As an additional public health measure, the agency recommends that people wear cloth face coverings in public settings to help slow the spread of COVID-19:

 

The "CDC still recommends that you stay at least 6 feet away from other people (social distancing), frequent hand cleaning and other everyday preventive actions. A cloth face covering is not intended to protect the wearer, but it may prevent the spread of virus from the wearer to others. This would be especially important if someone is infected but does not have symptoms."

 

Jeremy Howard, a data scientist at the University of San Francisco, wrote an article in the Conversation in favor of universal mask wearing. Howard says that researchers were looking at the wrong question at first – how well a mask protects the wearer from infection – and not how well a mask prevents an infected person from spreading the virus. He said masks function very differently as personal protective equipment versus "source control."

 

Our ruling

A photograph of a box of disposable masks shows a warning label that says the masks "will not provide any protections against COVID-19."

 

Such disclaimers don’t mean that the masks are ineffective at slowing the spread of the disease, but that they don’t protect the wearer as well as medical respirators such as the N95 recommended for use by health care professionals. Disposable and homemade cloth masks are recommended for people to wear because it protects others around them in case they have the virus and may not be showing any symptoms.

 

The users sharing this image are making a false interpretation of the type of protection standard face masks provide. We rate it False.

 

Continue living in clown world all you want Red....you have my pity.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Posting error 

Edited April 18, 2021 by JamesM48