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Pasquale for King
1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

There is no maximum, that's what the problem with the rule is.

The rule is stay local, but what is classed as local

It would seem so down south.  If only you could cycle to a local 😢

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13 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Indeed, wonderful city.

It certainly is . Been there about 10 times in all I think 

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16 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Which is daft as local authority areas can vary wildly in size. 
 

Cycling U.K. released this 9 hours ago stating again how vague the rules are. 
https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/coronavirus-qa-cycling-guidance

 

No wonder folk are confused. 

Put a pin in a map and do a 5 mile radius from your house, let alone the coucil area and outside of central Glasgow that's a lot of coverage.

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11 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Which is daft as local authority areas can vary wildly in size. 
 

Cycling U.K. released this 9 hours ago stating again how vague the rules are. 
https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/coronavirus-qa-cycling-guidance

 

No wonder folk are confused. 

 

Exactly, just look at two neighbouring council area's.

 

Midlothian Council Area = 353.7 km sq.

Scottish Borders Council Area = 4,732 km sq.

And SBC stretches from Leadburn right down to the English Border at Carter Bar and numerious other places as well, such as Coldstream & Berwick Upon Tweed.

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45 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Shakespeares has a few places you can sit outside too, it’s been a bit chilly for a while to be doing that though. 

 

Old Chain Pier down Newhaven too. 

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Weakened Offender
50 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I'm never sure if the Obua post is meant as sarcasm or not.:confused:

 

I thought your post was shite (as usual) and read the Obua post as sarcasm, if that helps? 😊

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Just now, Weakened Offender said:

 

I thought your post was shite (as usual) and read the Obua post as sarcasm, if that helps? 😊

:greatpost:

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Governor Tarkin
2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

I saw an expert talk about this yesterday.

 

The more the rules get changed, the more confusing it is for people to know what the rules are. 

 

We need more experts imo.

 

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

There is no maximum, that's what the problem with the rule is.

The rule is stay local, but what is classed as local

 

I was out at Flotterstone today, Nucky. Been avoiding it as it can get very busy but took the chance today as the weather was gash. About half a dozen cars in the car park and hardly a soul in sight. The laddie fell face down in the burn twice. Great fun had by all.

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2 hours ago, theshed said:

Sorry if already covered. My local takeaway allows 2 people in at a time to pick stuff up but now everyone has to stand around outside so does that not mean more groups of people outside? 

 

I can go into Tesco standing and walking along side people but after I leave Tesco I can’t walk into chippy with either no one or only one person inside to get chips?

 

Honestly wish someone would ask her how she comes up with this crap 

Well because quite a few people including many on here refuse to hear a word said against her

 

They don't want questions asked of the FM because it would show her in a bad light as well as the current SNP administration

 

She refuses to publish or discuss the latest proof and refers to the proof already being out there though won't state where

 

As you say we now have to Q outside a shop increasing the risk of transmission but hey ho she tells us and we jump....even the press are not asking her questions that would cause her to have to think again...limiting click and collect is another stupid idea from the brains trust she leads...now we'll get more people going to the supermarkets and walking around...took a lot of thinking to come up with that and unlike the trust I won't get paid for it

 

I'm am willing to live with restrictions and have done so but what is happening now is beyond the pale and she will not get my vote again as her handling of this is becoming worse by the day

 

It's as if they think they now have to come up with anything sensible or not to feed to the public and press to prove they are doing something

 

Get on with vaccinating asp and get a better track and trace system..that's what will help not nonsense like todays offerings

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2 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

We need more experts imo.

 

 

I was out at Flotterstone today, Nucky. Been avoiding it as it can get very busy but took the chance today as the weather was gash. About half a dozen cars in the car park and hardly a soul in sight. The laddie fell face down in the burn twice. Great fun had by all.

You travelled out of your local authority area? Your selfish actions show disrespect for the emergency services and you are probably personally responsible for at least 10% of today's death tally. Well done. Hope you're proud of yourself. Putting you on ignore.

 

 

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1 minute ago, jonesy said:

You travelled out of your local authority area? Your selfish actions show disrespect for the emergency services and you are probably personally responsible for at least 10% of today's death tally. Well done. Hope you're proud of yourself. Putting you on ignore.

 

 

 

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the general
2 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

None since we went back into lockdown, you can normally in tier 4 though. I think they stopped selling food takeaways before Xmas, they might’ve got into bother when they were selling takeaway pints in the summer, as there’s a few seats around there where folk could sit for the four hours they were open. Have to say I was tempted as i walked the dogs past. 
There was a problem in Morningside where guys were standing drinking the pints outside and blocking the street, as we’ve seen in the last wee while folk can be their own worst enemies sometimes.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/police-visit-edinburgh-pubs-centre-lockdown-breach-claims-2878493

 

Heres an idea of where you might get one soon. 
https://www.edinburghlockdowneconomy.com/post/edinburgh-bars-and-pubs-doing-takeaway-in-october

 

There were still a few doing them last weekend but none in gods country .... mclarens on the corner was closest but 4 or 5 down Leith. Clerks Bar was another but they were really really quiet. Might have been the weather. 

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1 hour ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Few places on Shandwick Place (Grosvener definitely) , Brewdog, place up by the musuem..tragic behaviour.. 

 

They all stopped about 2 weeks ago

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Scotland high level vaccination plan now out.

 

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/strategy-plan/2020/12/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-deployment-plan-2021/documents/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-deployment-plan-2021/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-deployment-plan-2021/govscot%3Adocument/COVID-19%2BVaccine%2BDeployment%2BPlan%2B13%2BJanuary%2B2021.pdf

 

Only 16 pages to read, understand, challenge, ignore, ignore but still comment on, compare and contrast elsewhere, troll about and so on.

 

;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

 

Tonight's reading! Much more open about stocks than the UK government for some reason. Sure they were blaming it on national security 🤔 Seems we have two weeks getting absolutely no AZ vaccine for some reason but I've only very quickly skimmed it. Thanks for that 👍

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With the Scottish Government, it's just another failure of communication.

If you are further restricting businesses, then clearly detail the logic behind it and ensure financial support is clearly communicated upfront.

I find it hard to believe these measures are because of puritanical or anti-hospitality sentiment, but if you don't communicate effectively the logic and science underpinning these decisions, then you invite that cynicism.

With proper distancing, hygiene and mask wearing, cafes and click and collect should be safe, so there has to available evidence that the government can present surely?

 

 

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Pasquale for King
20 minutes ago, the general said:

 

There were still a few doing them last weekend but none in gods country .... mclarens on the corner was closest but 4 or 5 down Leith. Clerks Bar was another but they were really really quiet. Might have been the weather. 

Shakespeares has its lights on the STV 6pm news, not sure if they were. I thought they had to stop doing takeaway last weekend but maybe not. Diggers stopped doing takeaway on Hogmanay. 

I don’t think this is in the spirit of things either 😆

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Pasquale for King
16 minutes ago, the general said:

 

They all stopped about 2 weeks ago

I think there may well be some connection with the grants available if you weren’t doing takeaway, it was £900 a month but might’ve went up so wasn’t worth opening. Plus January and all that usually entails. 

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16 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

 

👍double post

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16 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Thanks for that. This actually seems well put together on first skim read, so fair play to the SG, although still feel they made a balls up of the comms on the measures today.

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3 minutes ago, Costanza said:

With the Scottish Government, it's just another failure of communication.

If you are further restricting businesses, then clearly detail the logic behind it and ensure financial support is clearly communicated upfront.

I find it hard to believe these measures are because of puritanical or anti-hospitality sentiment, but if you don't communicate effectively the logic and science underpinning these decisions, then you invite that cynicism.

With proper distancing, hygiene and mask wearing, cafes and click and collect should be safe, so there has to available evidence that the government can present surely?

 

 

Its just another edition of "we need to be seen to be doing something".

 

its becoming a familiar routine for the Govt to say that they are considering something (that charade lasts a few days) then implementing what they were "considering". This buys a couple of weeks of public perception, before the next item for consideration, then restriction. 

 

 

 

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Jambo-Jimbo
1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

It certainly is . Been there about 10 times in all I think 

 

5 for me.

 

Checkout the webcams for Rome here, this my favourite place in Rome.

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/italia/lazio/roma/pantheon.html

 

On topic, the streets are pretty much deserted almost anytime of the day, in fact looking at various places all over the World and most places are empty very little going on, except for the Police pulling drivers over at the Piazza Venezia, Vittorio Emanuele Monument during the day, no fecking messing with these guys.

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Couple of graphs from Travelling Tabby.  Gap widened over 24 hours but it's too early to do check points imo.

 

Both Govts has committed to 'offer' first vaccines by mid Feb to groups 1 - 4 is the first major checkpoint.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Exactly, just look at two neighbouring council area's.

 

Midlothian Council Area = 353.7 km sq.

Scottish Borders Council Area = 4,732 km sq.

And SBC stretches from Leadburn right down to the English Border at Carter Bar and numerious other places as well, such as Coldstream & Berwick Upon Tweed.

Edinburgh Council area isn’t very big. If you go for a walk at the weekend any time after about 10am it will be pretty busy 

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13 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

5 for me.

 

Checkout the webcams for Rome here, this my favourite place in Rome.

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/italia/lazio/roma/pantheon.html

 

On topic, the streets are pretty much deserted almost anytime of the day, in fact looking at various places all over the World and most places are empty very little going on, except for the Police pulling drivers over at the Piazza Venezia, Vittorio Emanuele Monument during the day, no fecking messing with these guys.

Yes is a beautiful city . I usually stay at San Paulo area , only a few metro stops from the city centre .  Been to Frascati too and took a day trip to Florence last year . Another beautiful city . Yes the police don’t fart about and same with the army . They are at most metro stations 

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43 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Shakespeares has its lights on the STV 6pm news, not sure if they were. I thought they had to stop doing takeaway last weekend but maybe not. Diggers stopped doing takeaway on Hogmanay. 

I don’t think this is in the spirit of things either 😆

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Definitely closed but like a few places they do have some lights on permanently

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12 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Apparently this is true 

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PHE have been doing this since around August if Covid is listed on the death certificate. It's not replacing the ONS 28 day figures. It's more a long term study.

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22 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes is a beautiful city . I usually stay at San Paulo area , only a few metro stops from the city centre .  Been to Frascati too and took a day trip to Florence last year . Another beautiful city . Yes the police don’t fart about and same with the army . They are at most metro stations 

 

Usually around the Termini area for us.

Go out to Ostia Antica if you ever get the chance, only about 30 minute train ride from Rome, it's Rome's Pompeii.

 

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1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Usually around the Termini area for us.

Go out to Ostia Antica if you ever get the chance, only about 30 minute train ride from Rome, it's Rome's Pompeii.

 

Yes I’ve been there ! Was very interesting . Also people are often surprised Rome has a beach ! Yep . Lovely it is too 

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1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

I think there may well be some connection with the grants available if you weren’t doing takeaway, it was £900 a month but might’ve went up so wasn’t worth opening. Plus January and all that usually entails. 


the grants are either restricted if it’s a pub with food sales or closure if it was a wet pub only. Closure grant is more money on a 4 weekly basis. Take away still allowed with restricted tho

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Pasquale for King
49 minutes ago, the general said:

 

Definitely closed but like a few places they do have some lights on permanently

Yeah they’re on timers but you can turn them off, my gaffer has the water turned off ffs 😆

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Pasquale for King
18 minutes ago, Newton51 said:


the grants are either restricted if it’s a pub with food sales or closure if it was a wet pub only. Closure grant is more money on a 4 weekly basis. Take away still allowed with restricted tho

It depends if you’re selling takeaway, we didn’t get the £900 a month because we were classed as open according to my boss. Stopping doing takeaway means that money is coming in, maybe why places shut before January. 

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Our Indian takeaway is run superbly. Given a 5 minute slot so nobody else is in when you go to collect. Same with the Thai when you are texted when it’s ready and you can only go in in a 5 minute window. Nobody else in. The contactless payment machine is beside your bagged food and you pay and leave with the owner behind a screen .  I get not everywhere is like that but it’s a shame for these 2 in particular. Now it’s likely delivery only for them. 

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Current plans for mass vaccination settings, capable of administering in excess of 20,000 vaccinations per week each include:

 NHS Louisa Jordan, Glasgow

  Edinburgh International Conference Centre

 Pyramids Business Park (Bathgate)

 Queen Margaret University (Musselburgh)

 P&J Live at TECA (Aberdeen)

 Ravenscraig Sports Facility in Motherwell .

 

We’re working with the armed forces and Boards to secure more mass vaccination sites, particularly in the Greater Glasgow and Clyde area.

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Bathgate and Louisa Jordan added to what I heard this morning from Freeman (stream buffeted a lot, so I maybe just missed), and as I thought Army engagement despite what the P&J reported last night.

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21 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

Our Indian takeaway is run superbly. Given a 5 minute slot so nobody else is in when you go to collect. Same with the Thai when you are texted when it’s ready and you can only go in in a 5 minute window. Nobody else in. The contactless payment machine is beside your bagged food and you pay and leave with the owner behind a screen .  I get not everywhere is like that but it’s a shame for these 2 in particular. Now it’s likely delivery only for them. 

If they have (brilliantly) taken all those steps so far, hopefully they can still adapt further and do a front of door service, if I've read the rules correctly about takeaways.

 

 

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Jambof3tornado

Excess vaccines at the end of each day going in the bin.

 

managed to phone my wife(nurse but not patient facing role), to come to the vaccination site to get her 1st jag.

 

pure luck.

 

needs to be better organised.

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17 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Excess vaccines at the end of each day going in the bin.

 

managed to phone my wife(nurse but not patient facing role), to come to the vaccination site to get her 1st jag.

 

pure luck.

 

needs to be better organised.

 

That's a bit disappointing to hear. Why do the unused vaccines need binned, is it something to do with their temperature?

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12 hours ago, OBE said:

 

A study posted on here a couple of days ago, claimed after catching Covid, folks immunity to the virus would be close on 100%...every cloud eh!...we'll see. 🤞

 

Amendment...86% immunity for 5 month but if caught again could aid contagion.

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52 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

That's a bit disappointing to hear. Why do the unused vaccines need binned, is it something to do with their temperature?

Yes they only have a set number of hours to use them. For clarity its the pfizer vaccine I'm talking about. Yup its disappointing that there is no real way of using the doses that are about to go off.

 

Hopefully it is just a teething priblem and less wastage will occur over the coming weeks. Another figure joe public won't get to know about, how many go in the bin!!!

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49 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

Amendment...86% immunity for 5 month but if caught again could aid contagion.

Saw on Sky News it said 83% immunity for the 5months but in that time you can still catch it and can also transmit it (may have picked this bit up wrong it wasn’t very clear) We discussed this couple days ago with James and others calling bullshit when Carl said three people he knows who are doctors have had it twice (this is not a dig at those posters before they reply). Then it was batted about between us all if it was rare or very rare to catch it twice.
 

I think that what was said this morning just says again we still don’t have a great understanding of the virus or its mutations. 

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47 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

Amendment...86% immunity for 5 month but if caught again could aid contagion.

5 month's natural immunity boosted by a jab, should sort that out. Assuming a person takes it...

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36 minutes ago, sadj said:

Saw on Sky News it said 83% immunity for the 5months but in that time you can still catch it and can also transmit it. We discussed this couple days ago with James and others calling bullshit when Carl said three people he knows who are doctors have had it twice (this is not a dig at those posters before they reply). Then it was batted about between us all if it was rare or very rare to catch it twice.
 

I think that what was said this morning just says again we still don’t have a great understanding of the virus or its mutations. 

 

Sure, That's why the majority of nations are still running around blind folded, two hands tied behind their back (non-compliance) with their keks at their ankles...no a bonnie situation but we'll get there. 

 

36 minutes ago, Barack said:

5 month's natural immunity boosted by a jab, should sort that out. Assuming a person takes it...

 

Shame the vaccine can only be administered by a shot, fast food outlets could've been a peculiar saviour through stealth...:thumbsup:

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If this pandemic has shown us anything, it’s the stark difference in general health of the U.K. population when compared to our European neighbours. 
 

It absolutely MUST be a part of the post-pandemic rebuild that we focus heavily on educating people on healthy living. That means incentivising exercise and heavy push on education around healthy food.

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2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Valneva about to be approved, it appears, will be 4th vaccine approved and also manufactured here in part. 

 

Has the UK ordered any of it?

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Just now, frankblack said:

 

Has the UK ordered any of it?


I’ve gone early, so deleted post. Ignore post but in answer to your question I believe so but I don’t know for sure. 

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7 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said:

If this pandemic has shown us anything, it’s the stark difference in general health of the U.K. population when compared to our European neighbours. 
 

It absolutely MUST be a part of the post-pandemic rebuild that we focus heavily on educating people on healthy living. That means incentivising exercise and heavy push on education around healthy food.

No more rules and regulations don't do this don't do that, no beer, no fags, no pie's, no cakes, no chocolate, run 10 miles a day or collect a £200 fine, I can't take anymore 

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3 minutes ago, Ma Roon said:

No more rules and regulations don't do this don't do that, no beer, no fags, no pie's, no cakes, no chocolate, run 10 miles a day or collect a £200 fine, I can't take anymore 

 

The long and short of it is people just don't have willpower. We all know it's sensible to eat better, exercise more, drink less and smoke less. People just don't do it.

 

I'm also against banning things and rules and regulations. I'd just add a tax onto NHS treatment for people are over a certain body fat percentage 😂😂

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1 hour ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Yes they only have a set number of hours to use them. For clarity its the pfizer vaccine I'm talking about. Yup its disappointing that there is no real way of using the doses that are about to go off.

 

Hopefully it is just a teething priblem and less wastage will occur over the coming weeks. Another figure joe public won't get to know about, how many go in the bin!!!

 

 There will be a wastage percentage factored in to the overall requirement I'd imagine, but still....thanks for the reply 👍 

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