Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Which ,in Scotland ,will be a pint or a meal when that wee megalomaniac Sturgeon gives us the nod. Don't be surprised to see state run bars opening up once existing pubs go bust. Thankfully,  Scotland will be a bit easier than East Germany to flee from. Plans afoot already👍

[Gards]

4 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Just been in zoom meeting with managers one was saying he is finding this lockdown far more “ challenging “ than the previous ones . I’m sure the 60 grand per year siting on his arse at home may help 

So because someone gets paid a decent wage they're not allowed to struggle through a lockdown like others?

[Weakened Offender]

3 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

The first time he used it was funny as it could be filed under satirically offensive. Each time thereafter increasingly less so.

 

How does one go about changing their JKB moniker? 😊

[Back to 2005]

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus-scotland-restrictions-will-not-be-scrapped-when-vaccine-rollout-complete-says-deputy-first-minister-3126282

 

Just in case you think the vaccine will be a passport to freedom....

[Governor Tarkin]

11 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

How does one go about changing their JKB moniker? 😊

 

You first have to understand what moniker means.

[Weakened Offender]

3 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

You first have to understand what moniker means.

 

Just forward the info please, pedant. 

[sadj]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Testing is voluntary, unless you need to travel abroad I suppose

The only reason I'm interested is because she'll be using test positivity as one of the stats to justify easing lockdown or not.

It's a bit shit if it's artificially high

 

1 hour ago, DETTY29 said:

Travelling Tabby previously said England includes PCR and lateral testing, the other nations 3 PCR only.

 

Not sure why.  Is WHO recommendation PCR only?

 

Suppose the effectivenss and accuracy of both needs taken into account.  Which may skew results......either way.....or  ake little difference.

Meant to tag your post also @Brian Dundas
 

 

Testing isnt voluntary , there are things like attending hospital up here that you have to have one or you can’t attend. My wee brother is in tomorrow and him and my

mum had to go for one the other day.

 

Lateral testing is bound to give lower averages. Lots of private companies and hospitals are doing lateral testing. Considering the number of staff and the chances of them returning a negative test its a stupid stat to include unless you are trying to make figures look better. Lateral testing for anyone I know who is doing it is done at home with a test similar to a pregnancy test. They take the swab put it in a solution then drop a bit of that swabbed solution onto a tester. Get one line its all good two lines its positive BUT you have to contact the NHS for a proper test as its not accurate enough to give proper clarity

 

Ie - its more likely the English figures are artificially low

Edited February 9, 2021 by sadj

[sadj]

32 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Which ,in Scotland ,will be a pint or a meal when that wee megalomaniac Sturgeon gives us the nod. Don't be surprised to see state run bars opening up once existing pubs go bust. Thankfully,  Scotland will be a bit easier than East Germany to flee from. Plans afoot already👍

You talk some shite 🤣🤣🤣 love it

[Governor Tarkin]

15 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Just forward the info please, pedant. 

 

Second, phone some you know who may own a dictionary and ask them to explain pedant.

[Weakened Offender]

14 minutes ago, sadj said:

You talk some shite 🤣🤣🤣 love it

 

When this is over I think Enzo should receive a medal the size of a dustbin lid. He's comedy gold. 😀

[sadj]

4 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Second, phone some you know who may own a dictionary and ask them to explain pedant.

Maybe he meant peasant😏

[sadj]

2 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

When this is over I think Enzo should receive a medal the size of a dustbin lid. He's comedy gold. 😀

Ach hes not a bad lad , same on the Terrace hes just very blunt with his views and how he puts them across

[Dagger Is Back]

34 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus-scotland-restrictions-will-not-be-scrapped-when-vaccine-rollout-complete-says-deputy-first-minister-3126282

 

Just in case you think the vaccine will be a passport to freedom....

I just don’t get this at all. Someone please explain why, when we are all vaccinated, social distancing and other restrictions will still be required?

 

Like lots of folks, I’m struggling with this and after reading that, I’m thinking what’s the bloody point.

 

 

[connlach]

22 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Serious question connlach; why would we need another lockdown if "cases" go breast skywards?? To protect whom?

 

Sorry I missed your message. To confirm I wont want or agree with more lockdown. But if we need them an election or easter or xmas makes no difference but we seem to hang our hats on these events.  If having an election means millions of people are out mixing it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. 

[connlach]

5 hours ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day stats. A wee uptick in the national cases as well as in several council areas. Hopefully this is just temporary, although we sometimes do get stubborn plateaux that it proves challenging to move on from. We'll see over the next few days. Apart from the 7-day positivity rate remaining constant, all the other national indicators listed are still moving in the right direction.

 

		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			7 Feb	6 Feb	5 Feb	4 Feb	3 Feb	...	20 Dec
Scotland			114	113	+1		111	119	121	125	126	...	98
Falkirk	4	2	239	227	+12		239	243	226	218	194	...	60
Clackmannanshire	4	3	211	213	-2		210	186	179	171	171	...	148
North Lanarkshire	4	3	184	179	+5		171	181	183	192	202	...	119
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	182	171	+11		168	180	180	170	175	...	120
Glasgow City	4	3	166	166	0		159	176	183	190	190	...	129
Renfrewshire	4	3	156	160	-4		156	166	173	179	173	...	116
Stirling	4	3	151	149	+2		139	139	134	136	132	...	70
South Lanarkshire	4	3	149	148	+1		156	161	162	176	178	...	120
East Ayrshire	4	3	145	145	0		139	157	152	155	162	...	153
East Renfrewshire	4	3	134	130	+4		134	144	149	154	169	...	101
North Ayrshire	4	3	127	134	-7		122	153	157	169	170	...	175
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	122	117	+5		122	129	140	155	164	...	70
Angus	4	2	118	120	-2		118	121	111	108	101	...	37
South Ayrshire	4	3	116	108	+8		103	106	112	123	123	...	98
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	115	102	+13		95	97	98	89	84	...	29
West Lothian	4	3	115	108	+7		107	126	130	138	134	...	83
Inverclyde	4	2	109	103	+6		114	130	140	140	134	...	59
Midlothian	4	3	100	88	+12		90	85	100	105	101	...	136
Dundee City	4	3	97	105	-8		121	131	127	126	125	...	113
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	1	97	112	-15		97	97	86	82	97	...	22
East Lothian	4	3	94	99	-5		86	92	86	91	81	...	148
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	87	85	+2		80	92	101	103	111	...	32
Moray Mints	4	1	82	82	0		72	82	81	83	95	...	13
Edinburgh City	4	3	67	66	+1		66	67	62	66	68	...	109
Highland	4/3	1	67	62	+5		51	59	59	59	64	...	17
Perth and Kinross	4	3	65	65	0		61	79	91	99	104	...	126
Fife	4	3	57	61	-4		66	70	70	78	81	...	97
Aberdeenshire	4	3	55	56	-1		57	55	64	62	58	...	88
Aberdeen City	4	3	54	57	-3		58	52	55	58	66	...	163
Scottish Borders	4	1	52	52	0		58	63	66	76	69	...	85
Shetland Islands	3	1	9	4	+5		4	0	0	0	0	...	0
Orkney Islands	3	1	4	4	0		4	4	4	4	9	...	0
7-day averages
Tests			18515	18450	+65		17583	18252	18840	19038	18793	...	16839
Positivity rate %			5.7	5.7	0.0		5.9	6.1	6.0	6.2	6.3	...	5.2
Hospital (non-ICU)			1626	1668	-42		1703	1731	1760	1780	1802	...	975
ICU			118	122	-4		127	132	136	139	141	...	50
Deaths			46	47	-1		47	47	49	50	54	...	25
All Vaccinations			45946	41981	+3965		39412	35122	32742	N/A	27062
1st Dose			45349	41575	+3774		39014	34737	32394	N/A	26753
2nd Dose			597	406	+191		398	385	348	N/A	309

Being the figures messiah do you think the lower the cases the more they can be impacted by small outbreaks. For example a care home outbreak which may make these small increases easier to understand as we go forward.  Just trying to look for positives!

[redjambo]

28 minutes ago, sadj said:

 

Lateral testing is bound to give lower averages. Lots of private companies and hospitals are doing lateral testing. Considering the number of staff and the chances of them returning a negative test its a stupid stat to include unless you are trying to make figures look better. Lateral testing for anyone I know who is doing it is done at home with a test similar to a pregnancy test. They take the swab put it in a solution then drop a bit of that swabbed solution onto a tester. Get one line its all good two lines its positive BUT you have to contact the NHS for a proper test as its not accurate enough to give proper clarity

 

 

I completely agree. PCR or GTF.

[Back to 2005]

9 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

I just don’t get this at all. Someone please explain why, when we are all vaccinated, social distancing and other restrictions will still be required?

 

Like lots of folks, I’m struggling with this and after reading that, I’m thinking what’s the bloody point.

 

 

Because they never had any intention of going back to normal. Maybe one of the lockdown enthusiasts could answer your question.

[Governor Tarkin]

13 minutes ago, sadj said:

Maybe he meant peasant😏

 

It would be closer to the mark tbf.

 

[sadj]

3 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I completely agree. PCR or GTF.

I can understand peoples thinking of it being included if they dont understand it but it most definitely should not be included in figures (lateral tests are all registered) as it skews them horrendously. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

"Why didn't the people didn't do anything?". "Because we didn't know, it was just a small step further each time". Equally applicable in 2021 as it was back in the 1930s.

Yes worrying that this is still pertinent today. Human beings dont really evolve very much , Neither do oppressive govts. 

1 hour ago, Gards said:

So because someone gets paid a decent wage they're not allowed to struggle through a lockdown like others?

Already replied to that. . Yeah your right but  hes in a hell of a lot comfort and security compared to those who are in UC or unemployed etc. 

55 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus-scotland-restrictions-will-not-be-scrapped-when-vaccine-rollout-complete-says-deputy-first-minister-3126282

 

Just in case you think the vaccine will be a passport to freedom....

Absolute bunch of c^^^^

2 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Because they never had any intention of going back to normal. Maybe one of the lockdown enthusiasts could answer your question.

Makes you wonder.  Hopefullly if things dont open up once the most vulnerable are vaccinated people take the appropriate action.

[Governor Tarkin]

18 minutes ago, sadj said:

Ach hes not a bad lad , same on the Terrace hes just very blunt with his views and how he puts them across

 

Despite being a heinous Tory, Enzo is one of the good guys, sadj. 👍

[redjambo]

18 minutes ago, connlach said:

Being the figures messiah do you think the lower the cases the more they can be impacted by small outbreaks. For example a care home outbreak which may make these small increases easier to understand as we go forward.  Just trying to look for positives!

 

I do not want said moniker!

 

Yes, absolutely. The hope I suppose is that we can drive the figures so low that almost all cases are attributable to clusters, and therefore easier to snuff out. It was fairly like that at points during the summer. That information has never been released to we the public though, as far as I know, i.e. a breakdown as the cases are announced as to which of the cases are related to known cluster outbreaks, e.g. care homes or food processing factories, and which are due to community transmission with uncertain point of origin. We've always had to guess, except in situations where the cases are so few in an area that is so "local" that the details get revealed. An early outbreak in Orkney, for example and iirc, was attributed pretty quickly by some to local fishermen who had been down in Peterhead and took the opportunity to head down to Aberdeen for a pint or two, picking the virus up in the Granite City watering holes. More difficult to hide the facts in small communities I suppose. I personally would like the authorities to let us know more about how the cases are split up as they happen, so that we can make more informed choices about how to avoid the virus, and also so that we can have more informed debate on issues as to whether the virus is easily transmitted at schools, at work, on public transport, etc.

 

Edited February 9, 2021 by redjambo

[Dagger Is Back]

12 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Because they never had any intention of going back to normal. Maybe one of the lockdown enthusiasts could answer your question.

See I just don’t get that. Why do they not want us to go back to normal?

 

That just doesn’t make any sense

[sadj]

5 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Despite being a heinous Tory, Enzo is one of the good guys, sadj. 👍

Not sure id go that far 😏 Na he is indeed a decent lad. 🤘🏻

[redjambo]

4 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

Not the messiah? Are you just a very naughty boy?

 

How dare you!

 

[Back to 2005]

10 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

See I just don’t get that. Why do they not want us to go back to normal?

 

That just doesn’t make any sense

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0nhfxCcr1zUr/

 

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Indeed. 

 

Well, thanks for the relatively woody stats recently. Much better than those dreadful tinny things we had to endure in December and January.

 

No problem. They're certainly looking more caribou than they were before!

[Nucky Thompson]

16 minutes ago, sadj said:

I can understand peoples thinking of it being included if they dont understand it but it most definitely should not be included in figures (lateral tests are all registered) as it skews them horrendously. 

Lateral flow tests can't be that useless or they wouldn't use them, surely.

They will still count the positive tests from lateral flow in their figures and although there is more chance of a false negative in lateral flow, the PCR test is overly sensitive, detecting viral shedding long after the infectious period (9 days), with people continuing to test positive for a mean of 17 days.

I don't think it will skew the figures that much and it will work itself out

[CJGJ]

12 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

See I just don’t get that. Why do they not want us to go back to normal?

 

That just doesn’t make any sense

You don't get the fact that the FM loves the power this is giving her and her party ?

 

She will milk it to the very end and then realisation will dawn that another set of vaccines is required and off we go again

 

We are all aware there is a time when 'freedoms' will have to be reintroduced and when it happens there will be minor breakouts to be managed.......however our government is more interested in getting indy ref through than trying to manage the current position 100%........All we will hear about is the importance of a vote which will supercede the safety aspects of holding such a vote

Otherwise there is no excuse by May of for example attending sporting events in large numbers after all if it's good enough for the politicians to hold a vote for them putting people at risk then it is good enough for the general population

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

You don't get the fact that the FM loves the power this is giving her and her party ?

 

She will milk it to the very end and then realisation will dawn that another set of vaccines is required and off we go again

 

We are all aware there is a time when 'freedoms' will have to be reintroduced and when it happens there will be minor breakouts to be managed.......however our government is more interested in getting indy ref through than trying to manage the current position 100%........All we will hear about is the importance of a vote which will supercede the safety aspects of holding such a vote

Otherwise there is no excuse by May of for example attending sporting events in large numbers after all if it's good enough for the politicians to hold a vote for them putting people at risk then it is good enough for the general population

When i first read that I thought it was a bit over dramatic about having the vote in May which may put people in risk.  However you may have a point.  Voters will all need to use polling booths which others have used, residue may still be there of any yucky things never mind CV and ofcourse are they going to either give people gloves to use the pencil with or everyone gets their own pencil.  Knowing the SG I will hazard they will do the latter irrespective of the massive costs. However i still think the election should go ahead  with safety measures in place. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

21 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I think Sturge the Purge actually said something, back in Spring 2020 and without any hesitation, along the lines of seeing sees this as an opportunity to change society 'for the good'. When her puritanical, tartan-unicorns-farting-out-rainbows utopia comes to fruition, I'm sure we'll all be glad of such change.

So until last person in world receives vaccine, we have restrictions. 

No doubt the lickspittles will lap up this pish. 

Scotland, the world's conscious. 

[Gards]

I see we're back in tin foil hat territory again....

[Nucky Thompson]

9 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

You don't get the fact that the FM loves the power this is giving her and her party ?

 

She will milk it to the very end and then realisation will dawn that another set of vaccines is required and off we go again

 

 

It doesn't help when you get all the loonies tweeting her, thanking her for keeping them safe.

She loves the power all right

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

14 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

So until last person in world receives vaccine, we have restrictions. 

No doubt the lickspittles will lap up this pish. 

Scotland, the world's conscious. 

I know talk about changing the goal posts.......

12 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It doesn't help when you get all the loonies tweeting her, thanking her for keeping them safe.

She loves the power all right

 

 

Yes ive seen loads of actually nutty acolytes being sycophantic  to her on Twitter. Its embarrassing and concerning. 

[Weakened Offender]

1 hour ago, sadj said:

Ach hes not a bad lad , same on the Terrace hes just very blunt with his views and how he puts them across

 

Yup. 😊

[Weakened Offender]

16 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It doesn't help when you get all the loonies tweeting her, thanking her for keeping them safe.

She loves the power all right

 

 

 

Agreed. 

 

I DM her on Instagram. Far more dignified. 👍

[Dagger Is Back]

I’ll check out that video thank you but not one person yet has explained why? 
 

It’s a NS power trip? Really some of you guys believe that? To what end/purpose?

 

I’m genuinely interested in an answer to the original question. Why, once all vaccinated, will we need to continue with restrictions such as social distancing?

If the future means wearing masks I have no problem with that given the clarty behaviour of some folks.

 

Surely once we’re all vaccinated we’ll reopen doors that cinemas, theatres, concert halls, sport facilities?

 

What would prevent us from doing so?

 

If ‘freedom restricting social restrictions’ continue once we’re all vaccinated, NS and any other ‘power hungry’ politician would want to be anywhere near the helm.

 

There will be social disobedience on a massive scale. Why would any politician court that?

[Nucky Thompson]

1 hour ago, sadj said:

 

 

 

Ie - its more likely the English figures are artificially low

It's the UK figures as a whole sadj.

From 8th July 2020 onwards, the total number of Covid-19 tests with results in the Health Protection Scotland ECOSS system reported from the UK government testing programme are reported, including those processed from home testing kits and the social care portal, as well as drive throughs and mobile units. These now reflect all test results reported on across pillars 1 and 2. Void tests are not included

[Nucky Thompson]

11 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Agreed. 

 

I DM her on Instagram. Far more dignified. 👍

[Back to 2005]

4 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

I’ll check out that video thank you but not one person yet has explained why? 
 

It’s a NS power trip? Really some of you guys believe that? To what end/purpose?

 

I’m genuinely interested in an answer to the original question. Why, once all vaccinated, will we need to continue with restrictions such as social distancing?

If the future means wearing masks I have no problem with that given the clarty behaviour of some folks.

 

Surely once we’re all vaccinated we’ll reopen doors that cinemas, theatres, concert halls, sport facilities?

 

What would prevent us from doing so?

 

If ‘freedom restricting social restrictions’ continue once we’re all vaccinated, NS and any other ‘power hungry’ politician would want to be anywhere near the helm.

 

There will be social disobedience on a massive scale. Why would any politician court that?

Unfortunately most Scots are either too scared or too lazy to be concerned about losing their freedom.

Why are they doing this? Well the one thing I'm certain of it's nothing to do with a virus that is of no risk to 99% of us. The goalposts will continue to be shifted until there is nothing but the global corporations left.

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Unfortunately most Scots are either too scared or too lazy to be concerned about losing their freedom.

Why are they doing this? Well the one thing I'm certain of it's nothing to do with a virus that is of no risk to 99% of us. The goalposts will continue to be shifted until there is nothing but the global corporations left.

 

What a lot of pish.

[Weakened Offender]

2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

What a lot of pish.

 

I think he's too scared or lazy to think. 

[Gards]

5 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Unfortunately most Scots are either too scared or too lazy to be concerned about losing their freedom.

Why are they doing this? Well the one thing I'm certain of it's nothing to do with a virus that is of no risk to 99% of us. The goalposts will continue to be shifted until there is nothing but the global corporations left.

 

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[sadj]

53 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Lateral flow tests can't be that useless or they wouldn't use them, surely.

They will still count the positive tests from lateral flow in their figures and although there is more chance of a false negative in lateral flow, the PCR test is overly sensitive, detecting viral shedding long after the infectious period (9 days), with people continuing to test positive for a mean of 17 days.

I don't think it will skew the figures that much and it will work itself out

I don’t think they should at all. The thousands of people who will test negative daily/every couple of days using them are counted and the positive tests referred to NHS. Therefore the whole system negative and positive shouldn’t be counted as it will skew figures imo. 
 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, Weakened Offender said:

 

I think he's too scared or lazy to think. 

Unbelievable some of the shite that’s posted.

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

I’ll check out that video thank you but not one person yet has explained why? 
 

It’s a NS power trip? Really some of you guys believe that? To what end/purpose?

 

I’m genuinely interested in an answer to the original question. Why, once all vaccinated, will we need to continue with restrictions such as social distancing?

If the future means wearing masks I have no problem with that given the clarty behaviour of some folks.

 

Surely once we’re all vaccinated we’ll reopen doors that cinemas, theatres, concert halls, sport facilities?

 

What would prevent us from doing so?

 

If ‘freedom restricting social restrictions’ continue once we’re all vaccinated, NS and any other ‘power hungry’ politician would want to be anywhere near the helm.

 

There will be social disobedience on a massive scale. Why would any politician court that?

Well the SG would seriously have problems if restrictions were still punitive if there were no daily deaths and very low ICU and hospital admissions. That should be the yardstick things should be measured by.  I do thing most Govt believe they are doing the right thing with lockdowns but are woefully misguided and truculent about any other strategy. Fingers in the ears behaviors.   I do worry that some puritanical Govt such as SG may use lockodwns as an excuse to pursue  policies relating to alcohol, clubs . pubs etc as they have always been hostile to this on " health " grounds apparently. 

[sadj]

14 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It's the UK figures as a whole sadj.

From 8th July 2020 onwards, the total number of Covid-19 tests with results in the Health Protection Scotland ECOSS system reported from the UK government testing programme are reported, including those processed from home testing kits and the social care portal, as well as drive throughs and mobile units. These now reflect all test results reported on across pillars 1 and 2. Void tests are not included

I was going off your comment about levels of testing then someone mentioning lateral tests are only included in England. Home testing kits are better than the lateral ones and are tested at labs. A lateral test is basically an early warming , well maybe but maybe not check with someone else test. To me that will skew figures badly its almost like saying we will count all the people whos temperature is taken before starting a shift. 

[sadj]

How have we gone full tinfoil hat wearing madness on here tonight? 

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, sadj said:

I was going off your comment about levels of testing then someone mentioning lateral tests are only included in England.  

I think that was the case until the 8th July 

[Dagger Is Back]

13 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Unfortunately most Scots are either too scared or too lazy to be concerned about losing their freedom.

Why are they doing this? Well the one thing I'm certain of it's nothing to do with a virus that is of no risk to 99% of us. The goalposts will continue to be shifted until there is nothing but the global corporations left.

 

I will watch that video to try and understand your stance and beliefs.