Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[sadj]

1 minute ago, doctor jambo said:

sorry, its not overhyped.

we have a virus that has killed thousands in a couple of weeks in 1st world countries that are now lining their hospital corridors with people drowning in their own lung fluid that there is no ventilator to attatch them to.

IF you want that to be the picture in Scotland then crack on-

that is the reality.

Sure, you dont care about the elderly/ cancer patients/ kids with cystic fibrosis etc that have terrible odds if they get this- but some of us do, and we are merely asking the selfish pricks to stay inside to prevent them contracting this ,

If you want to be a nihilst or even go down the eugenics path with them - fine,  but dont drag us all along with you

love this 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, doctor jambo said:

sorry, its not overhyped.

we have a virus that has killed thousands in a couple of weeks in 1st world countries that are now lining their hospital corridors with people drowning in their own lung fluid that there is no ventilator to attatch them to.

IF you want that to be the picture in Scotland then crack on-

that is the reality.

Sure, you dont care about the elderly/ cancer patients/ kids with cystic fibrosis etc that have terrible odds if they get this- but some of us do, and we are merely asking the selfish pricks to stay inside to prevent them contracting this ,

If you want to be a nihilst or even go down the eugenics path with them - fine,  but dont drag us all along with you

 

 

Why would I not care about elderly/ cancer patients/ kids with cystic fibrosis - what a truly unfounded and nasty thing to think of me.  Just because I see world lockdown as an over reaction for a death toll that is less than suicide does not mean that I do not care.  I just don't agree with tools being downed and shutters going up.

[...a bit disco]

9 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Many share my view.

 

That'll be the same ones crowding the parks and beaches, flooding Snowdonia and rural Scotland and greeting like an electronìc Xmas card over the fact that the pubs are shut.

[robbo1874]

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Edited March 23, 2020 by robbo1874

[Herbert.]

19 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

I doubt it.  If that have a vaccine they could demand, and get, countless billions in payments.

 

They would risk losing billions in trade from the west if they were responsible for realising this  the sensible thing to do is sit tight for a few months and release the vaccine.

[Mikey1874]

19 minutes ago, sadj said:

very much , thats what ****s me off , the ignorance of im healthy so **** others. Im doing shopping for my neighbours etc while they self isolate and one of their sons was over raging at his 55 year old mum because she wouldnt let him in. The sheer ignorance of some is astounding

 

To be fair though it seems the vast majority of people ARE getting it.

 

Shops closing is also an example of ordinary people leading the way. 

[Beast Boy]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Why would I not care about elderly/ cancer patients/ kids with cystic fibrosis - what a truly unfounded and nasty thing to think of me.  Just because I see world lockdown as an over reaction for a death toll that is less than suicide does not mean that I do not care.  I just don't agree with tools being downed and shutters going up.

Because suicide isn’t a highly contagious virus? Because the ways of preventing deaths from suicide and highly contagious viruses with no known vaccinations or cures are totally different? Just a stab in the dark though. Far be it for me to argue with you when “many others agree with you”. 🙄

 

 

[hughesie27]

5 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Why would I not care about elderly/ cancer patients/ kids with cystic fibrosis - what a truly unfounded and nasty thing to think of me.  Just because I see world lockdown as an over reaction for a death toll that is less than suicide does not mean that I do not care.  I just don't agree with tools being downed and shutters going up.

What would you argue would be a better approach to avoid the scenario described in Doctor J' post?

[BlackJAC?]

Not a biggie in the grand scheme of things, but I've just chipped a ****ing filling this morning.  Had it in for years, dental check up 2 months ago and it ****ing decided to start breaking now 😭

[i8hibsh]

Just now, Special Officer Doofy said:

Because suicide isn’t a highly contagious virus? Because the ways of preventing deaths from suicide and highly contagious viruses with no known vaccinations or cures are totally different? Just a stab in the dark though. Far be it for me to argue with you when “many others agree with you”. 🙄

 

 

 

 

The suicide rate will spike quite significantly in the next few months due to global lockdown and loss of jobs etc.

[Justin Z]

17 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Many share my view.

 

We already know the world is full of immoral, selfish dunderheads--why do you feel the need to remind us?

[Maple Leaf]

4 minutes ago, Herbert said:

 

They would risk losing billions in trade from the west if they were responsible for realising this  the sensible thing to do is sit tight for a few months and release the vaccine.

 

It's possible that in a few months someone else will develop a vaccine.  In that case the Chinese will have lost their monopoly ... all of this is a very hypothetical scenario.

[Beast Boy]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

The suicide rate will spike quite significantly in the next few months due to global lockdown and loss of jobs etc.

Yes, it probably will. Do you know what else will spike? The premature deaths of elderly people in palliative care, like my Mum for example. If she catches this virus, she is dead. No choice involved in that, she is at the mercy of the general public and them not acting irresponsibly and selfishly.

[BlackJAC?]

Yup, high suicide rates cause this: https://nypost.com/2020/03/23/coronavirus-patients-spotted-lying-on-floor-at-overrun-madrid-hospital/?utm_source=reddit.com

 

Watch it because that's what a number of nay sayers, people who liken it to other viruses, to other causes of death and so on have to look forward to in the coming weeks. It won't just be virus sufferers lying in the halls of UK hospitals.

[vegas-voss]

25 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said:

 

It's your attitude of it all, this isn't a dress rehearsal, it's real life, and real lives are going to be lost, I already nearly lost a dear friend of mine due to this virus, but thankfully she's seeing some light at the end of the tunnel, flippant attitudes like yours doesn't help matters at all. Over the next 2-3 weeks, our death rates are going to soar as we're on the same trajectory as Italy, there's makeshift morgues being set up all over the shop, and yet you seem to think that it's all over hyped and over stated. 

Just ignore him you are giving him the platform he wants

[The Internet]

14 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Why would I not care about elderly/ cancer patients/ kids with cystic fibrosis - what a truly unfounded and nasty thing to think of me.  Just because I see world lockdown as an over reaction for a death toll that is less than suicide does not mean that I do not care.  I just don't agree with tools being downed and shutters going up.

 

So far. Suicide has been around a lot longer. 

[sadj]

9 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

The suicide rate will spike quite significantly in the next few months due to global lockdown and loss of jobs etc.

Which is why people like myself are giving up monies to offer help to people with workouts a shoulder to lean on , people are going out their ways to help with the mental wellbeing of people. 
 

Try and get it , to get past that and back to a normal life people need to take action. By taking that action people will struggle but if we rall around each other in ways that dont involve contact , ie phonecalls , chatting through closed windows , sharing workouts , facetimes , support groups,  peoples mental well being will be maintained as best it can

Edited March 23, 2020 by sadj

[Beast Boy]

4 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

Just ignore him you are giving him the platform he wants

The forum gives him that platform. 

[doctor jambo]

16 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Why would I not care about elderly/ cancer patients/ kids with cystic fibrosis - what a truly unfounded and nasty thing to think of me.  Just because I see world lockdown as an over reaction for a death toll that is less than suicide does not mean that I do not care.  I just don't agree with tools being downed and shutters going up.

Its either the shutters go up, or the vulnerable die.

Yes, we all like Big macs, beach walks, going for a jog.

BUt not more than I like my sons best mate who has cystic fibrosis- who at 13 does not deserve to die because you prefer the right to mill around a park

[vegas-voss]

3 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

The forum gives him that platform. 

He is a troll he knew fine well the response the post would get and he is thriving on it now.

Edited March 23, 2020 by vegas-voss

[JudyJudyJudy]

27 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

sorry, its not overhyped.

we have a virus that has killed thousands in a couple of weeks in 1st world countries that are now lining their hospital corridors with people drowning in their own lung fluid that there is no ventilator to attatch them to.

IF you want that to be the picture in Scotland then crack on-

that is the reality.

Sure, you dont care about the elderly/ cancer patients/ kids with cystic fibrosis etc that have terrible odds if they get this- but some of us do, and we are merely asking the selfish pricks to stay inside to prevent them contracting this ,

If you want to be a nihilst or even go down the eugenics path with them - fine,  but dont drag us all along with you

Well said

[The Internet]

 

[Tommy Brown]

57 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I'm not trolling.  These are conversations I have in my private life too.

 

You say I am protected?  I have views that some people melt over as they are delicate little snowfalkes, what I don't do is personally abuse other posters. Try it sometime.

 

 

I've stuck up for you in the past, on issues I dont give a shit about and Hearts issues that I do.

 

This has been a very good thread, informative and very friendly. I am in High risk category, it means a lot to me.

 

Do us all a favour and **** off.

[tian447]

37 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Overhyped, exaggerated and ridiculous v armaggedon 

 

I'm about 95 % in the first part and 5% in the other

 

****ing hell.

 

It's not currently Armageddon, but we cannot just go on as if nothing is happening.

 

If we do nothing to limit the spread, and just do whatever the **** we want to do, laughing it up in clubs and pubs, going out on our jollies, then it will spread faster than we can deal with it.

 

It's nothing to do with the numbers not matching the actions, the actions are being put in place to ensure that the numbers don't get exponentially worse.  It's to ensure that we don't overrun hospitals with more than they can cope with all at one time:

 

The simple fact of the matter is that if we don't limit people spreading the disease, we will quickly get to a point where the hospitals cannot deal with the number of people being admitted.  Then we have to decide who gets to (potentially) live and who doesn't get admitted to hospital and treated at all.  You have to make hard decisions weighing up which person is more likely to make it versus other patients, even when under normal circumstances both patients would likely make it if the hospital had space to deal with it.

 

If this doesn't make sense to you, then just sod off entirely.  It's not about you and "the shutters going up" inconveniencing you, but about other people.  It's attitudes like yours that are endangering other people who are doing their best to protect and prevent others from getting the virus.

 

This is serious, and people need to ****ing understand that.

 

Once again though, you've got the attention you so crave.  At least that is business as usual. 🙄

[Beast Boy]

17 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

He is a troll he knew fine well the response the post would get and he is thriving on it now.

I agree. So do “many others”. It’s not up to us though, is it? 

[OmiyaHearts]

3 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

 

I've stuck up for you in the past, on issues I dont give a shit about and Hearts issues that I do.

 

This has been a very good thread, informative and very friendly. I am in High risk category, it means a lot to me.

 

Do us all a favour and **** off.

Spot on. He must have seen this subject was generally being discussed in a mature manner, so though it needed a bit of arseholery.

[vegas-voss]

3 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

I agree. So do “many others”. It’s not up to us though, is it? 

👍

[iantjambo]

i8 appears on a thread and takes the most controversial view possible.

I'm utterly stunned

 

[BlackJAC?]

9 minutes ago, tian447 said:

 

****ing hell.

 

It's not currently Armageddon, but we cannot just go on as if nothing is happening.

 

If we do nothing to limit the spread, and just do whatever the **** we want to do, laughing it up in clubs and pubs, going out on our jollies, then it will spread faster than we can deal with it.

 

It's nothing to do with the numbers not matching the actions, the actions are being put in place to ensure that the numbers don't get exponentially worse.  It's to ensure that we don't overrun hospitals with more than they can cope with all at one time:

 

The simple fact of the matter is that if we don't limit people spreading the disease, we will quickly get to a point where the hospitals cannot deal with the number of people being admitted.  Then we have to decide who gets to (potentially) live and who doesn't get admitted to hospital and treated at all.  You have to make hard decisions weighing up which person is more likely to make it versus other patients, even when under normal circumstances both patients would likely make it if the hospital had space to deal with it.

 

If this doesn't make sense to you, then just sod off entirely.  It's not about you and "the shutters going up" inconveniencing you, but about other people.  It's attitudes like yours that are endangering other people who are doing their best to protect and prevent others from getting the virus.

 

This is serious, and people need to ****ing understand that.

 

Once again though, you've got the attention you so crave.  At least that is business as usual. 🙄

There is not going to be a flattening of the curve. Most non government specialists agree on this.   The UK government ****ed up and ****ed up badly. They used an experimental method on the UK population when no other country sought to do so and for good reason.  Their method was based around influenza pandemics, not this sort of fast spreading pandemic and one that has a severe insidious incubation period. Everything wrong about this approach will pan out in the next 2 weeks due to the incubation period of the virus. 

 

Hell, they can close down everything they want now (even that's been half arsed) but the damage has been done for the next month or so as far as hospital cases go.

Edited March 23, 2020 by BlackJAC?

[sadj]

10 minutes ago, tian447 said:

 

****ing hell.

 

It's not currently Armageddon, but we cannot just go on as if nothing is happening.

 

If we do nothing to limit the spread, and just do whatever the **** we want to do, laughing it up in clubs and pubs, going out on our jollies, then it will spread faster than we can deal with it.

 

It's nothing to do with the numbers not matching the actions, the actions are being put in place to ensure that the numbers don't get exponentially worse.  It's to ensure that we don't overrun hospitals with more than they can cope with all at one time:

 

The simple fact of the matter is that if we don't limit people spreading the disease, we will quickly get to a point where the hospitals cannot deal with the number of people being admitted.  Then we have to decide who gets to (potentially) live and who doesn't get admitted to hospital and treated at all.  You have to make hard decisions weighing up which person is more likely to make it versus other patients, even when under normal circumstances both patients would likely make it if the hospital had space to deal with it.

 

If this doesn't make sense to you, then just sod off entirely.  It's not about you and "the shutters going up" inconveniencing you, but about other people.  It's attitudes like yours that are endangering other people who are doing their best to protect and prevent others from getting the virus.

 

This is serious, and people need to ****ing understand that.

 

Once again though, you've got the attention you so crave.  At least that is business as usual. 🙄

 

13 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

 

I've stuck up for you in the past, on issues I dont give a shit about and Hearts issues that I do.

 

This has been a very good thread, informative and very friendly. I am in High risk category, it means a lot to me.

 

Do us all a favour and **** off.

 

great posts.... #Sadjapproved (only cause im online though , I wouldn’t approve them face to face 😝)

 

@Tommy Brown iv a few family members in high risk and I have damaged lungs so Im prob at the bottom of the high risks. Fingers crossed we all get through it.

 

@tian447 superb informative post that succinctly explains the need for measures to be in place and why people flouting them are pissing people off 

[sadj]

4 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said:

There is not going to be a flattening of the curve. Most non government specialists agree on this.   The UK government ****ed up and ****ed up badly. They used an experimental method on the UK population when no other country sought to do so and for good reason.  Their method was based around influenza pandemics, not this sort of fast spreading pandemic and one that has a severe insidious incubation period. Everything wrong about this approach will pan out in the next 2 weeks due to the incubation period of the virus. 

 

Hell, they can close down everything they want now (even that's been half arsed) but the damage has been done for the next month or so as far as hospital cases go.

I tend to agree they didnt go far enough quick enough but hopefully people who took common sense steps initially will help to lower the curve a bit , i do think it will hit worse than italy as their health system is by all reports better than ours. 
 

The fact basic provisions have been hoarded by people won’t help either , cleaning materials , paracetamol. This and the failure of people to adhere to requests to shut pubs , stay at home etc is why I have no problem if they decalre martial law for a few months

[hughesie27]

Still waiting on i8s alternative suggestions.

[graygo]

56 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Why would I not care about elderly/ cancer patients/ kids with cystic fibrosis - what a truly unfounded and nasty thing to think of me.  Just because I see world lockdown as an over reaction for a death toll that is less than suicide does not mean that I do not care.  I just don't agree with tools being downed and shutters going up.

 

There's a thought, would you be willing to self isolate for a few weeks if it meant an end to suicide?

 

Just trying to find out how selfish you are.

[BlackJAC?]

5 minutes ago, sadj said:

I tend to agree they didnt go far enough quick enough but hopefully people who took common sense steps initially will help to lower the curve a bit , i do think it will hit worse than italy as their health system is by all reports better than ours. 
 

The fact basic provisions have been hoarded by people won’t help either , cleaning materials , paracetamol. This and the failure of people to adhere to requests to shut pubs , stay at home etc is why I have no problem if they decalre martial law for a few months

 

Northern Italy do have a better HC system, it's Southern Italy that doesn't.  Luckily Southern Italy has been spared thus far the horror show the North has witnessed.  Had this happened further down the country, it would have been helluva worse. It's why all those fleeing down South from the North were slated by everyone.

[BlackJAC?]

4 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Still waiting on i8s alternative suggestions.

 

Really? Not sure who is worse, him or those rising to his inane chat.

[King prawn]

25 minutes ago, tian447 said:

 

****ing hell.

 

It's not currently Armageddon, but we cannot just go on as if nothing is happening.

 

If we do nothing to limit the spread, and just do whatever the **** we want to do, laughing it up in clubs and pubs, going out on our jollies, then it will spread faster than we can deal with it.

 

It's nothing to do with the numbers not matching the actions, the actions are being put in place to ensure that the numbers don't get exponentially worse.  It's to ensure that we don't overrun hospitals with more than they can cope with all at one time:

 

The simple fact of the matter is that if we don't limit people spreading the disease, we will quickly get to a point where the hospitals cannot deal with the number of people being admitted.  Then we have to decide who gets to (potentially) live and who doesn't get admitted to hospital and treated at all.  You have to make hard decisions weighing up which person is more likely to make it versus other patients, even when under normal circumstances both patients would likely make it if the hospital had space to deal with it.

 

If this doesn't make sense to you, then just sod off entirely.  It's not about you and "the shutters going up" inconveniencing you, but about other people.  It's attitudes like yours that are endangering other people who are doing their best to protect and prevent others from getting the virus.

 

This is serious, and people need to ****ing understand that.

 

Once again though, you've got the attention you so crave.  At least that is business as usual. 🙄

 👍 
I personally don’t see what’s so difficult to understand about all of this but some people are going above and beyond the level of dense I thought was possible. 

[hughesie27]

4 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said:

 

Really? Not sure who is worse, him or those rising to his inane chat.

If his argument is that we shouldn't be going into lockdown then that's a valid point of view. I'd like to hear him back that up with some alternative measures that would be better.

If he chooses not to share that then fair enough. Shows him up for being clueless.

 

A measured and adult approach. Rather than shouting troll.

 

 

FWIW he is right about calling it the Chinese Virus.  It's not remotely racist.

[OBE]

35 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

 

I've stuck up for you in the past, on issues I dont give a shit about and Hearts issues that I do.

 

This has been a very good thread, informative and very friendly. I am in High risk category, it means a lot to me.

 

Do us all a favour and **** off.

 

Rock on Tommy...

[Spellczech]

7 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

If his argument is that we shouldn't be going into lockdown then that's a valid point of view. I'd like to hear him back that up with some alternative measures that would be better.

If he chooses not to share that then fair enough. Shows him up for being clueless.

 

A measured and adult approach. Rather than shouting troll.

 

 

FWIW he is right about calling it the Chinese Virus.  It's not remotely racist.

Also not particularly helpful, as there are a lot of stupid people in the World who might misinterpret why it was to be called that and what it means for them. IMO it ceased to be a Chinese Virus as soon as it jumped on a plane and landed in another country.

[Justin Z]

16 minutes ago, BlackJAC? said:

 

Really? Not sure who is worse, him or those rising to his inane chat.

 

Ehn, I think blowing off a little "self-isolation steam", the kind undoubtedly building up as this goes on, at an utter ***** is probably a fairly responsible way to go about things.

[Justin Z]

9 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

FWIW he is right about calling it the Chinese Virus.  It's not remotely racist.

 

Spit On, Yelled At, Attacked: Chinese-Americans Fear for Their Safety

 

As bigots blame them for the coronavirus and President Trump labels it the “Chinese virus,” many Chinese-Americans say they are terrified of what could come next.

 

🆒

[Taffin]

12 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

If his argument is that we shouldn't be going into lockdown then that's a valid point of view. I'd like to hear him back that up with some alternative measures that would be better.

If he chooses not to share that then fair enough. Shows him up for being clueless.

 

A measured and adult approach. Rather than shouting troll.

 

 

FWIW he is right about calling it the Chinese Virus.  It's not remotely racist.

 

 

It's really stupid though. 

[Don Dan]

46 more deaths due to Covid19 in the UK.

[Riccarton3]

Bloomberg article when you google 'insidious incubation period' is a good summary - after Blackjac's reference to it the term, above

[hughesie27]

4 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Also not particularly helpful, as there are a lot of stupid people in the World who might misinterpret why it was to be called that and what it means for them. IMO it ceased to be a Chinese Virus as soon as it jumped on a plane and landed in another country.

But by all accounts not something that needs an extended debate. I don't believe the number of people who misunderstand the name to be that significant.

[Riccarton3]

6 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Also not particularly helpful, as there are a lot of stupid people in the World who might misinterpret why it was to be called that and what it means for them. IMO it ceased to be a Chinese Virus as soon as it jumped on a plane and landed in another country.

Also unhelpful when you are looking for global cooperation. Trump's use of it, even after knowing it was unhelpful, sums up Trump.

[hughesie27]

5 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Spit On, Yelled At, Attacked: Chinese-Americans Fear for Their Safety

 

As bigots blame them for the coronavirus and President Trump labels it the “Chinese virus,” many Chinese-Americans say they are terrified of what could come next.

 

🆒

Calling the Chinese Virus doesn't make it racist because some racists decide to jump on a band wagon. 

[sadj]

4 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

46 more deaths due to Covid19 in the UK.

how does that compare to Italy’s spike witht he 14day difference?

[Justin Z]

1 minute ago, hughesie27 said:

Calling the Chinese Virus doesn't make it racist because some racists decide to jump on a band wagon. 

 

I mean, if you're cool with enabling and furthering the atmosphere that contributes to that stuff, I guess that says all that needs to be said, eh?

[Spellczech]

Just now, hughesie27 said:

But by all accounts not something that needs an extended debate. I don't believe the number of people who misunderstand the name to be that significant.

Indeed, but doing it retrospectively as Trump and I8 do is intentionally provocative, and based on my own stated opinion above, incorrect, as it is no longer restricted to China geographically or Chinese people...It is as spurious as England trying to say they invented football - when we all know modern football was invented by Scots!