Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[redjambo]

The latest 7-day, per-100,000 case rates around the councils. A round of extremely sarcastic applause for the SG who, in the face of *clear* and sustained evidence that there was an issue in Aberdeen City, dilly-dallied about raising the city from tier 2 to tier 3, thus allowing it to quickly move from the lower reaches of the table to become one of the most infected areas in the country. Bravo, guys.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				20 Dec	15 Dec	14 Dec	13 Dec	12 Dec
North Ayrshire	3	174	194	-20			191	185	181	180	177
Clackmannanshire	3	173	167	+6			171	194	188	190	173
Aberdeen City	3	162	166	-4			154	157	144	124	120
East Ayrshire	3	159	171	-12			183	170	175	161	152
Midlothian	3	151	176	-25			190	182	163	151	133
East Lothian	3	147	148	-1			150	150	136	126	122
Dundee City	3	146	149	-3			155	159	165	132	125
Perth and Kinross	3	143	124	+19			127	116	113	104	97
Glasgow City	3	140	143	-3			145	154	154	141	145
North Lanarkshire	3	133	141	-8			146	152	144	134	131
South Lanarkshire	3	122	133	-11			135	145	141	128	134
Renfrewshire	3	121	141	-20			136	144	145	145	142
Fife	3	118	128	-10			134	139	133	135	132
Edinburgh City	3	112	113	-1			111	112	109	102	95
East Renfrewshire	3	109	109	0			111	128	130	137	124
Scottish Borders	1	100	92	+8			92	89	87	82	73
South Ayrshire	3	99	118	-19			126	123	123	116	121
West Dunbartonshire	3	99	105	-6			93	96	94	80	75
West Lothian	3	89	92	-3			97	104	110	117	110
Aberdeenshire	3	82	84	-2			80	85	80	89	83
East Dunbartonshire	3	78	86	-8			90	109	100	106	106
Stirling	3	67	67	0			76	80	84	93	97
Falkirk	2	65	70	-5			87	90	91	98	98
Inverclyde	2	64	66	-2			60	59	51	57	63
Angus	2	45	47	-2			49	59	60	69	66
Argyll and Bute	2	33	37	-4			33	35	33	51	49
Dumfries & Galloway	1	29	24	+5			19	22	21	23	25
Moray	1	19	21	-2			19	17	21	25	22
Highland	1	18	17	+1			17	19	17	18	16
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	15	15	0			30	26	22	15	15
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Scotland		105	111	-6			111	115	111	111	108

[GinRummy]

1 hour ago, Dandyman79 said:

According to that calculator I'm mid June to mid September for the vaccine 

End January to February for me. Hopefully I can get on holiday next year. 

[SectionDJambo]

22 minutes ago, frankblack said:

Watching the BBC lunchtime news was really starting to send me into a rage.

 

They were absolutely salivating over the prospects of a full national lockdown.

 

They kept referring to January as a bad flu month while completing disregarding the fact 90% of people in offices are working from home and considerably less people will be using public transport.

You would think that with so many people working from home, old people staying at home and most people going about wearing masks, that the chances of catching flu have been reduced.

That and, probably, more people having got the flu jab this year as a precaution.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

I don't think so, no. Oxford are offering it at cost price I think, but the others aren't.

 

It's not just cost though, it's quantity. The developed nations have bought up far more than they need and as such even allowing for it being free there isn't likely to be any for many of the poorer countries until at least 2022.

Fair point, I was wrong about it being free. Just got to hope more vaccines are approved and there will be more on the market, but as you say the country will need to get enough if it can afford it. 

[GinRummy]

5 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

Yep, pretty standard. 4000+ receipts full bank statements  for every account, written statements from all my employers.

nasty business.

fishing expedition

Those ***** at hmrc always chucking resources at the wrong things. 

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

You would think that with so many people working from home, old people staying at home and most people going about wearing masks, that the chances of catching flu have been reduced.

That and, probably, more people having got the flu jab this year as a precaution.

It is down but could surge at anytime, the Xmas easing of restrictions won’t help. 
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid19-is-surging-but-flu-cases-are-down

[Pasquale for King]

4 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

End January to February for me. Hopefully I can get on holiday next year. 

Me too if it’s correct, name badges in the queue 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️😜?

[Pasquale for King]

8 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day, per-100,000 case rates around the councils. A round of extremely sarcastic applause for the SG who, in the face of *clear* and sustained evidence that there was an issue in Aberdeen City, dilly-dallied about raising the city from tier 2 to tier 3, thus allowing it to quickly move from the lower reaches of the table to become one of the most infected areas in the country. Bravo, guys.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				20 Dec	15 Dec	14 Dec	13 Dec	12 Dec
North Ayrshire	3	174	194	-20			191	185	181	180	177
Clackmannanshire	3	173	167	+6			171	194	188	190	173
Aberdeen City	3	162	166	-4			154	157	144	124	120
East Ayrshire	3	159	171	-12			183	170	175	161	152
Midlothian	3	151	176	-25			190	182	163	151	133
East Lothian	3	147	148	-1			150	150	136	126	122
Dundee City	3	146	149	-3			155	159	165	132	125
Perth and Kinross	3	143	124	+19			127	116	113	104	97
Glasgow City	3	140	143	-3			145	154	154	141	145
North Lanarkshire	3	133	141	-8			146	152	144	134	131
South Lanarkshire	3	122	133	-11			135	145	141	128	134
Renfrewshire	3	121	141	-20			136	144	145	145	142
Fife	3	118	128	-10			134	139	133	135	132
Edinburgh City	3	112	113	-1			111	112	109	102	95
East Renfrewshire	3	109	109	0			111	128	130	137	124
Scottish Borders	1	100	92	+8			92	89	87	82	73
South Ayrshire	3	99	118	-19			126	123	123	116	121
West Dunbartonshire	3	99	105	-6			93	96	94	80	75
West Lothian	3	89	92	-3			97	104	110	117	110
Aberdeenshire	3	82	84	-2			80	85	80	89	83
East Dunbartonshire	3	78	86	-8			90	109	100	106	106
Stirling	3	67	67	0			76	80	84	93	97
Falkirk	2	65	70	-5			87	90	91	98	98
Inverclyde	2	64	66	-2			60	59	51	57	63
Angus	2	45	47	-2			49	59	60	69	66
Argyll and Bute	2	33	37	-4			33	35	33	51	49
Dumfries & Galloway	1	29	24	+5			19	22	21	23	25
Moray	1	19	21	-2			19	17	21	25	22
Highland	1	18	17	+1			17	19	17	18	16
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	15	15	0			30	26	22	15	15
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Scotland		105	111	-6			111	115	111	111	108

The borders could jump two tiers on Tuesday, looks like my festive pint in Jedburgh is out the window 🙈.

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Me too if it’s correct, name badges in the queue 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️😜?

Haha. When I first read that I read it as name radges 😀

[Tenaciousdandy]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

The borders could jump two tiers on Tuesday, looks like my festive pint in Jedburgh is out the window 🙈.

Can see the pubs down in the borders being busy on Sunday with the cup final 

[frankblack]

14 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Does that mean the governments of the rest of the UK, Germany Netherlands, Italy, Czech Rep etc., are doing likewise.

 

Can't speak for much more than the UK and SG as I'm not following the others as they aren't important to me, and honestly I don't have the willpower.

 

From what I can tell as an outsider, it certainly seems that the Welsh government lost the plot and their citizens decided to ignore their politicians and meet up elsewhere.  To a degree that may be starting to show in numbers in Scotland where people particularly in Lothian are sticking two fingers up to the SG with the take away pints etc.

 

Nicola can preach all she likes from her puritan pulpit but I've said from the start that when people stop listening you need to enforce the rules and the SG have clearly no willingness to go there.

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

The borders could jump two tiers on Tuesday, looks like my festive pint in Jedburgh is out the window 🙈.

 

I'm not quite so sure. There are small population numbers in the Borders and the outbreak there could have been largely confined to the hospital. Once again, as @frankblack astutely reminds us from time to time, we the general public have no idea of the "profile" of cases in any area, so it's difficult to say whether or not and to what extent the Borders outbreak has leaked out into general community transmission.

 

However, in saying that, it seems to be the case now that tiers are announced on the Tuesday and implemented on the Friday, so even if they do bump the Borders up a tier next Tuesday, as long as your festive pint was planned before next Friday, you should be fine.

[Brighton Jambo]

20 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day, per-100,000 case rates around the councils. A round of extremely sarcastic applause for the SG who, in the face of *clear* and sustained evidence that there was an issue in Aberdeen City, dilly-dallied about raising the city from tier 2 to tier 3, thus allowing it to quickly move from the lower reaches of the table to become one of the most infected areas in the country. Bravo, guys.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				20 Dec	15 Dec	14 Dec	13 Dec	12 Dec
North Ayrshire	3	174	194	-20			191	185	181	180	177
Clackmannanshire	3	173	167	+6			171	194	188	190	173
Aberdeen City	3	162	166	-4			154	157	144	124	120
East Ayrshire	3	159	171	-12			183	170	175	161	152
Midlothian	3	151	176	-25			190	182	163	151	133
East Lothian	3	147	148	-1			150	150	136	126	122
Dundee City	3	146	149	-3			155	159	165	132	125
Perth and Kinross	3	143	124	+19			127	116	113	104	97
Glasgow City	3	140	143	-3			145	154	154	141	145
North Lanarkshire	3	133	141	-8			146	152	144	134	131
South Lanarkshire	3	122	133	-11			135	145	141	128	134
Renfrewshire	3	121	141	-20			136	144	145	145	142
Fife	3	118	128	-10			134	139	133	135	132
Edinburgh City	3	112	113	-1			111	112	109	102	95
East Renfrewshire	3	109	109	0			111	128	130	137	124
Scottish Borders	1	100	92	+8			92	89	87	82	73
South Ayrshire	3	99	118	-19			126	123	123	116	121
West Dunbartonshire	3	99	105	-6			93	96	94	80	75
West Lothian	3	89	92	-3			97	104	110	117	110
Aberdeenshire	3	82	84	-2			80	85	80	89	83
East Dunbartonshire	3	78	86	-8			90	109	100	106	106
Stirling	3	67	67	0			76	80	84	93	97
Falkirk	2	65	70	-5			87	90	91	98	98
Inverclyde	2	64	66	-2			60	59	51	57	63
Angus	2	45	47	-2			49	59	60	69	66
Argyll and Bute	2	33	37	-4			33	35	33	51	49
Dumfries & Galloway	1	29	24	+5			19	22	21	23	25
Moray	1	19	21	-2			19	17	21	25	22
Highland	1	18	17	+1			17	19	17	18	16
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	15	15	0			30	26	22	15	15
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Scotland		105	111	-6			111	115	111	111	108

The significant majority of areas for the last couple of days shows cases numbers falling but I read in media today John Swinney saying we are riding a tidal wave of new infections.

 

They are literally just making it up as they go along.  How are they not held to greater account.  

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

The significant majority of areas for the last couple of days shows cases numbers falling but I read in media today John Swinney saying we are riding a tidal wave of new infections.

 

They are literally just making it up as they go along.  How are they not held to greater account.  

 

If he did say that, then I think it gave the wrong impression. Our case rates were gradually declining until the plateau in which we find ourselves currently stuck. The situation over the last month can be seen in the graph below taken from Travelling Tabby today.

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

20 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Haha. When I first read that I read it as name radges 😀

I do that a lot, Freudian dyslexia 🤔😆. 

[Pasquale for King]

22 minutes ago, Dandyman79 said:

Can see the pubs down in the borders being busy on Sunday with the cup final 

Definitely, with both sets of fans, foodfights 🙈?

Edited December 18, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[Radio Ga Ga]

31 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day, per-100,000 case rates around the councils. A round of extremely sarcastic applause for the SG who, in the face of *clear* and sustained evidence that there was an issue in Aberdeen City, dilly-dallied about raising the city from tier 2 to tier 3, thus allowing it to quickly move from the lower reaches of the table to become one of the most infected areas in the country. Bravo, guys.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				20 Dec	15 Dec	14 Dec	13 Dec	12 Dec
North Ayrshire	3	174	194	-20			191	185	181	180	177
Clackmannanshire	3	173	167	+6			171	194	188	190	173
Aberdeen City	3	162	166	-4			154	157	144	124	120
East Ayrshire	3	159	171	-12			183	170	175	161	152
Midlothian	3	151	176	-25			190	182	163	151	133
East Lothian	3	147	148	-1			150	150	136	126	122
Dundee City	3	146	149	-3			155	159	165	132	125
Perth and Kinross	3	143	124	+19			127	116	113	104	97
Glasgow City	3	140	143	-3			145	154	154	141	145
North Lanarkshire	3	133	141	-8			146	152	144	134	131
South Lanarkshire	3	122	133	-11			135	145	141	128	134
Renfrewshire	3	121	141	-20			136	144	145	145	142
Fife	3	118	128	-10			134	139	133	135	132
Edinburgh City	3	112	113	-1			111	112	109	102	95
East Renfrewshire	3	109	109	0			111	128	130	137	124
Scottish Borders	1	100	92	+8			92	89	87	82	73
South Ayrshire	3	99	118	-19			126	123	123	116	121
West Dunbartonshire	3	99	105	-6			93	96	94	80	75
West Lothian	3	89	92	-3			97	104	110	117	110
Aberdeenshire	3	82	84	-2			80	85	80	89	83
East Dunbartonshire	3	78	86	-8			90	109	100	106	106
Stirling	3	67	67	0			76	80	84	93	97
Falkirk	2	65	70	-5			87	90	91	98	98
Inverclyde	2	64	66	-2			60	59	51	57	63
Angus	2	45	47	-2			49	59	60	69	66
Argyll and Bute	2	33	37	-4			33	35	33	51	49
Dumfries & Galloway	1	29	24	+5			19	22	21	23	25
Moray	1	19	21	-2			19	17	21	25	22
Highland	1	18	17	+1			17	19	17	18	16
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	15	15	0			30	26	22	15	15
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Scotland		105	111	-6			111	115	111	111	108

West Lothian seem to have dropped considerably, at one point they were miles worse than Edinburgh and now have less cases per 100k, East Lothian were also much better. 
 

Any idea why the complete change from one of the worst to one of the better areas. 

[Tenaciousdandy]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

Definitely, with both sets of fans, foodfights 🙈?

Aye, pies and beans flying everywhere 

[Pasquale for King]

14 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I'm not quite so sure. There are small population numbers in the Borders and the outbreak there could have been largely confined to the hospital. Once again, as @frankblack astutely reminds us from time to time, we the general public have no idea of the "profile" of cases in any area, so it's difficult to say whether or not and to what extent the Borders outbreak has leaked out into general community transmission.

 

However, in saying that, it seems to be the case now that tiers are announced on the Tuesday and implemented on the Friday, so even if they do bump the Borders up a tier next Tuesday, as long as your festive pint was planned before next Friday, you should be fine.

I was hoping for a Xmas eve swifty but they might bring the decision in early so it’s not busy when the restrictions are relaxed. 

[steve123]

Not Covid related but same dept, this is not good for them 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/joe-fitzpatrick-must-go-motion-23187068.amp

[The Real Maroonblood]

37 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day, per-100,000 case rates around the councils. A round of extremely sarcastic applause for the SG who, in the face of *clear* and sustained evidence that there was an issue in Aberdeen City, dilly-dallied about raising the city from tier 2 to tier 3, thus allowing it to quickly move from the lower reaches of the table to become one of the most infected areas in the country. Bravo, guys.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				20 Dec	15 Dec	14 Dec	13 Dec	12 Dec
North Ayrshire	3	174	194	-20			191	185	181	180	177
Clackmannanshire	3	173	167	+6			171	194	188	190	173
Aberdeen City	3	162	166	-4			154	157	144	124	120
East Ayrshire	3	159	171	-12			183	170	175	161	152
Midlothian	3	151	176	-25			190	182	163	151	133
East Lothian	3	147	148	-1			150	150	136	126	122
Dundee City	3	146	149	-3			155	159	165	132	125
Perth and Kinross	3	143	124	+19			127	116	113	104	97
Glasgow City	3	140	143	-3			145	154	154	141	145
North Lanarkshire	3	133	141	-8			146	152	144	134	131
South Lanarkshire	3	122	133	-11			135	145	141	128	134
Renfrewshire	3	121	141	-20			136	144	145	145	142
Fife	3	118	128	-10			134	139	133	135	132
Edinburgh City	3	112	113	-1			111	112	109	102	95
East Renfrewshire	3	109	109	0			111	128	130	137	124
Scottish Borders	1	100	92	+8			92	89	87	82	73
South Ayrshire	3	99	118	-19			126	123	123	116	121
West Dunbartonshire	3	99	105	-6			93	96	94	80	75
West Lothian	3	89	92	-3			97	104	110	117	110
Aberdeenshire	3	82	84	-2			80	85	80	89	83
East Dunbartonshire	3	78	86	-8			90	109	100	106	106
Stirling	3	67	67	0			76	80	84	93	97
Falkirk	2	65	70	-5			87	90	91	98	98
Inverclyde	2	64	66	-2			60	59	51	57	63
Angus	2	45	47	-2			49	59	60	69	66
Argyll and Bute	2	33	37	-4			33	35	33	51	49
Dumfries & Galloway	1	29	24	+5			19	22	21	23	25
Moray	1	19	21	-2			19	17	21	25	22
Highland	1	18	17	+1			17	19	17	18	16
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	15	15	0			30	26	22	15	15
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Scotland		105	111	-6			111	115	111	111	108

👍

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, Dandyman79 said:

Aye, pies and beans flying everywhere 

Hahahahaha I would like to smash some Celtic ***** in the face with a hard crust pie and scolding beans, in a jolly custard pie type fashion from a bygone age of course 😜. 

[Tenaciousdandy]

Bonny badger in Gullane was forced to close yesterday after 3 members of staff tested positive for covid, they were fully booked for Xmas without alcohol as well

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Radio Ga Ga said:

West Lothian seem to have dropped considerably, at one point they were miles worse than Edinburgh and now have less cases per 100k, East Lothian were also much better. 
 

Any idea why the complete change from one of the worst to one of the better areas. 

 

Not specifically, no.

 

However, West Lothian were Tier 4 for 3 weeks which definitely brought its figures down (from roughly 190 to 120). As for East Lothian, it was in tier 2 and therefore an attractive place to visit for those in the surrounding higher tiers. Perhaps the answer lies there.

[Tenaciousdandy]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

Hahahahaha I would like to smash some Celtic ***** in the face with a hard crust pie and scolding beans, in a jolly custard pie type fashion from a bygone age of course 😜. 

Haha I've threw pie at a rangers fan before, used to do the away end at the scotbet stand after he had a right moaned that I knocked his pie over when I lifted the shutter up, guy had the cheek to say it was actually a steak pie afterwards 🤣🤣

[Malinga the Swinga]

50 minutes ago, weehammy said:

This reads like an official SG statement in its slavish devotion to the long discredited notion that the SG strategy has been a resounding success. You have spent months bumming up the SG in general and FM in particular. Nobody takes you seriously mate.

 

That's not true. There are at least 2 more posters on here who worship at the same alter as CD. Any criticism of HRH Sturgeon and their world crumbles. 

 

[steve123]

Coronavirus Scotland: Scots should wear face coverings at Christmas dinner in accordance with WHO advice, says Leitch (thescottishsun.co.uk)

 

Not sure if posted previously

[Malinga the Swinga]

41 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

The significant majority of areas for the last couple of days shows cases numbers falling but I read in media today John Swinney saying we are riding a tidal wave of new infections.

 

They are literally just making it up as they go along.  How are they not held to greater account.  

Swinney will be saying anything to deflect from horrific job he is doing as Education secretary. Well, that and his hiding witnesses and statements from enquiry into Salmond affair. 

[frankblack]

1 minute ago, steve123 said:

Coronavirus Scotland: Scots should wear face coverings at Christmas dinner in accordance with WHO advice, says Leitch (thescottishsun.co.uk)

 

Not sure if posted previously

 

How do you fit your turkey through your facemask?

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 minutes ago, steve123 said:

Coronavirus Scotland: Scots should wear face coverings at Christmas dinner in accordance with WHO advice, says Leitch (thescottishsun.co.uk)

 

Not sure if posted previously

Can be filed under bullshit. Leitch another clueless wonder who follows NS orders to the letter, regardless of what science says. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

How do you fit your turkey through your facemask?

Turkey is tasteless so you wouldn’t know the difference.

[CavySlaveJambo]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

 

Did the polls not say that Scotland would vote for independence in 2014?

 

That was one poll. Not over 10 consecutive polls from different organisations. 

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day, per-100,000 case rates around the councils. A round of extremely sarcastic applause for the SG who, in the face of *clear* and sustained evidence that there was an issue in Aberdeen City, dilly-dallied about raising the city from tier 2 to tier 3, thus allowing it to quickly move from the lower reaches of the table to become one of the most infected areas in the country. Bravo, guys.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				20 Dec	15 Dec	14 Dec	13 Dec	12 Dec
North Ayrshire	3	174	194	-20			191	185	181	180	177
Clackmannanshire	3	173	167	+6			171	194	188	190	173
Aberdeen City	3	162	166	-4			154	157	144	124	120
East Ayrshire	3	159	171	-12			183	170	175	161	152
Midlothian	3	151	176	-25			190	182	163	151	133
East Lothian	3	147	148	-1			150	150	136	126	122
Dundee City	3	146	149	-3			155	159	165	132	125
Perth and Kinross	3	143	124	+19			127	116	113	104	97
Glasgow City	3	140	143	-3			145	154	154	141	145
North Lanarkshire	3	133	141	-8			146	152	144	134	131
South Lanarkshire	3	122	133	-11			135	145	141	128	134
Renfrewshire	3	121	141	-20			136	144	145	145	142
Fife	3	118	128	-10			134	139	133	135	132
Edinburgh City	3	112	113	-1			111	112	109	102	95
East Renfrewshire	3	109	109	0			111	128	130	137	124
Scottish Borders	1	100	92	+8			92	89	87	82	73
South Ayrshire	3	99	118	-19			126	123	123	116	121
West Dunbartonshire	3	99	105	-6			93	96	94	80	75
West Lothian	3	89	92	-3			97	104	110	117	110
Aberdeenshire	3	82	84	-2			80	85	80	89	83
East Dunbartonshire	3	78	86	-8			90	109	100	106	106
Stirling	3	67	67	0			76	80	84	93	97
Falkirk	2	65	70	-5			87	90	91	98	98
Inverclyde	2	64	66	-2			60	59	51	57	63
Angus	2	45	47	-2			49	59	60	69	66
Argyll and Bute	2	33	37	-4			33	35	33	51	49
Dumfries & Galloway	1	29	24	+5			19	22	21	23	25
Moray	1	19	21	-2			19	17	21	25	22
Highland	1	18	17	+1			17	19	17	18	16
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	15	15	0			30	26	22	15	15
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	0
Scotland		105	111	-6			111	115	111	111	108

it will be interesting to see the numbers for Moray which is full train Aberdeen commuter territory.  Also people who live in Moray will have been Christmas shopping there while Aberdeen was tier 2 will also be high so they may start to see a rise from that soon. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by CavySlaveJambo
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[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

Does that mean the governments of the rest of the UK, Germany Netherlands, Italy, Czech Rep etc., are doing likewise.

Why does that matter? We live here in Scotland. Let's concentrate on what we are doing instead of usual deflection technique of wharaboutery. 

Our government is hopeless with Sturgeon now saying she will be focusing on drug problem. She either doesn't trust rest of her party or is control freak. Stretched so thin they are unable to function properly and instead of being pro active, simply react to events putting us on back foot continually. 

[Footballfirst]

12 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Why does that matter? We live here in Scotland. Let's concentrate on what we are doing instead of usual deflection technique of wharaboutery. 

OK what is your solution to contain the spread and impact of the virus until the take up of a vaccine starts to reduce the figures.

 

As far as I can see, Scotland is in a holding pattern of tolerable case numbers and impact levels while the current restrictions are in place.  If those actions continue to keep the virus largely in check, then I can only see them continuing at least until the end of January, by which time the exposure of the most vulnerable groups will have come down.

 

Your alternative? 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Footballfirst

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

OK what is your solution to contain the spread and impact of the virus until the take up of a vaccine starts to reduce the figures.

 

As far as I can see, Scotland is in a holding pattern of tolerable case numbers and impact levels while the current restrictions are in place.  If those actions continue to keep the virus largely in check, then I can only see them continuing at least until the end of January, by which time the exposure of the most vulnerable groups will have come down.

 

Your alternative? 

Asking some random on kickback to come up with answers isn’t entirely fair. You can see what’s been happening hasn’t worked without having the grey matter to come up with an alternate plan. The death figures all over the Uk are an absolute and complete disgrace. The question everyone needs to ask is - why have we failed so badly and trashed the economy to boot?

[GinRummy]

25 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

How do you fit your turkey through your facemask?

Blend it. Wee hole for a straw in the mask. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

57 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I'm not quite so sure. There are small population numbers in the Borders and the outbreak there could have been largely confined to the hospital. Once again, as @frankblack astutely reminds us from time to time, we the general public have no idea of the "profile" of cases in any area, so it's difficult to say whether or not and to what extent the Borders outbreak has leaked out into general community transmission.

 

However, in saying that, it seems to be the case now that tiers are announced on the Tuesday and implemented on the Friday, so even if they do bump the Borders up a tier next Tuesday, as long as your festive pint was planned before next Friday, you should be fine.

 

Make that hospitals, for there is now an outbreak at Hay Lodge Hospital in Peebles.

https://www.peeblesshirenews.com/news/18949415.peebles-coronavirus-cases-announced-hay-lodge-hospital/

 

By the looks of the numbers, I'd say that the hospital outbreaks account for around about 30% of cases this past week or so.

100 cases in the past week, 25 at least at the BGH and 4 or 5 at Peebles, that's about 30% of the cases this week, for easy counting.

 

Now there is an outbreak at Berwickshire High School in Duns, forcing 200 pupils to self isolate.

https://www.peeblesshirenews.com/news/18955377.coronavirus-outbreak-berwickshire-high-makes-200-isolate/

 

Things look to be going in the wrong direction down here just now.

[frankblack]

Just now, GinRummy said:

Asking some random on kickback to come up with answers isn’t entirely fair. You can see what’s been happening hasn’t worked without having the grey matter to come up with an alternate plan. The death figures all over the Uk are an absolute and complete disgrace. The question everyone needs to ask is - why have we failed so badly and trashed the economy to boot?

 

Precisely.

 

I had my first day off today and was out and about travelling to shops across the city.  What struck me was the sheer number of businesses that are gone or have a "lease available" notice, notably in hospitality.

 

I truly fear for what will happen should these businesses suffer more severe lockdown sanctions without full funding from the government.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

The borders could jump two tiers on Tuesday, looks like my festive pint in Jedburgh is out the window 🙈.

 

Carters Rest by any chance or Belter's Bar (stunning burgers from here).

[Malinga the Swinga]

5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

OK what is your solution to contain the spread and impact of the virus until the take up of a vaccine starts to reduce the figures.

 

As far as I can see, Scotland is in a holding pattern of tolerable case numbers and impact levels while the current restrictions are in place.  If those actions continue to keep the virus largely in check, then I can only see them continuing at least until the end of January, by which time the exposure of the most vulnerable groups will have come down.

 

Your alternative? 

Starting from where we now, isolate those who need protected, vaccinate teachers and NHS first, then the working population before focusing on the old. 

Starting from scratch, shut down borders completely, and do full shutdown for 1 month with no one allowed out and army delivering food and supplies. 

If not that, no shutdown at all. Our fudge of partial shutdown was never going to work. Go full on one way or other. 

Not up to me though, as you well know. Just continue sucking in whatever shit government tell you though and you'll be fine. 

[Footballfirst]

3 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Asking some random on kickback to come up with answers isn’t entirely fair. You can see what’s been happening hasn’t worked without having the grey matter to come up with an alternate plan. The death figures all over the Uk are an absolute and complete disgrace. The question everyone needs to ask is - why have we failed so badly and trashed the economy to boot?

The thing is, the first lockdown worked. Cases, hospitalisations and deaths came down from their March/April peaks to almost zero during the summer.  

 

What is different now?  Some hospitality open, retail open, schools open, universities open, workplaces open, personal services open.  I think the cause(s) of the current situation can be found in that list 

 

I agree that the death rates are/were unacceptable.  Care homes were a case in point, but I do believe that the country could be regarded as "unhealthy" when compared with other European nations.

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

Precisely.

 

I had my first day off today and was out and about travelling to shops across the city.  What struck me was the sheer number of businesses that are gone or have a "lease available" notice, notably in hospitality.

 

I truly fear for what will happen should these businesses suffer more severe lockdown sanctions without full funding from the government.

It’s awful, just terrible. I spoke (through my work) to a company in Tyneside that are going into administration, essentially a family business passed through generations. Been on the brink for years and soldiered on but Covid tipped them over the edge. Going to be a very familiar story and I suspect the big corporations are only getting started on mass redundancies. 

[Nucky Thompson]

This approach by the SNP government does them no favours

 

 SNP chief slammed for 'pompous' Hogmanay warning as rivals call for Scots to be 'treated like adults' over Covid rules (thescottishsun.co.uk)

 

 

[coconut doug]

2 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

So SNP, relying on polls. Out of date ones at that

 

Did the polls not say that Scotland would vote for independence in 2014?

How did that turn out again 

 

Do you have a more recent one or even one from any time that contradicts my statement?

 

The SNP are not relying on polls how can you say that in this context? They are relying on good governance coupled with excellent public information to sustain their current policies. Most people know and understand what they are doing that's why they are popular in the polls and why people think they are doing a good job.

 

I think you probably know it too but you couldn't possibly admit it. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

5 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Precisely.

 

I had my first day off today and was out and about travelling to shops across the city.  What struck me was the sheer number of businesses that are gone or have a "lease available" notice, notably in hospitality.

 

I truly fear for what will happen should these businesses suffer more severe lockdown sanctions without full funding from the government.

Most supporters of our government, and they can be seen on here, don't care about businesses surviving or people losing jobs. 

All they want is SNP government and their dream of indy. 

If a generation of people are sacrificed for that, then they wouldn't miss a minute of sleep. 

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

The thing is, the first lockdown worked. Cases, hospitalisations and deaths came down from their March/April peaks to almost zero during the summer.  

 

What is different now?  Some hospitality open, retail open, schools open, universities open, workplaces open, personal services open.  I think the cause(s) of the current situation can be found in that list 

 

I agree that the death rates are/were unacceptable.  Care homes were a case in point, but I do believe that the country could be regarded as "unhealthy" when compared with other European nations.

I think it was Brian Dundas yesterday who raised the point of us being unhealthy, sounds like it could be a factor but how much of an effect I’ve no idea. For me, it’s all or nothing, lockdown or not. Picking on hospitality and asking people to stick to rules of 6 is just not enough and if it weren’t for the vaccine we’d be heading for a full lockdown anyway. Imagine that, all these restrictions then doing what they should have done in the first place (lockdown), months and months wasted, jobs lost and deaths all for **** all. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

It's almost like certain posters on here are paid to defend Scottish government. If they aren't, then they should be because their devotion to the cause is unwavering and unshakeable. 

Drug deaths - not their fault, care home scandal -  nothing to see here, education exam shambles - what about England though, covid death rate -  nah, NS brilliant and not her responsibility. 

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. 

 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Dandyman79 said:

Haha I've threw pie at a rangers fan before, used to do the away end at the scotbet stand after he had a right moaned that I knocked his pie over when I lifted the shutter up, guy had the cheek to say it was actually a steak pie afterwards 🤣🤣

Sounds like a typical Rangers fan, good job 👍🏽.

[redjambo]

38 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

it will be interesting to see the numbers for Moray which is full train Aberdeen commuter territory.  Also people who live in Moray will have been Christmas shopping there while Aberdeen was tier 2 will also be high so they may start to see a rise from that soon. 

 

I don't think so. All the figures so far show that Moray has remained almost independent of any movements in the cases in Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire, with consistently low infection rates. There will be very few people who commute the distance from Moray to Aberdeen City. It is also more likely that any Moray residents who want to go to a larger city for Christmas shopping will head in the direction of the safer Inverness. Moray, imo, should be fine.

[redjambo]

23 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Make that hospitals, for there is now an outbreak at Hay Lodge Hospital in Peebles.

https://www.peeblesshirenews.com/news/18949415.peebles-coronavirus-cases-announced-hay-lodge-hospital/

 

By the looks of the numbers, I'd say that the hospital outbreaks account for around about 30% of cases this past week or so.

100 cases in the past week, 25 at least at the BGH and 4 or 5 at Peebles, that's about 30% of the cases this week, for easy counting.

 

Now there is an outbreak at Berwickshire High School in Duns, forcing 200 pupils to self isolate.

https://www.peeblesshirenews.com/news/18955377.coronavirus-outbreak-berwickshire-high-makes-200-isolate/

 

Things look to be going in the wrong direction down here just now.

 

Thanks for the details. It has all the appearances of a situation that needs nipped in the bud pronto before it escalates. I hope that the SG are watching attentively and willing to jump in sooner rather than later.