Coronavirus pandemic

[Victorian]

14 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Criticising the government without political bias ? Jesus come on. I think this government like any would has done amazingly well.  We have real problem in this country where we expect the government to wipe our arse for us. People expect, zero self responsibility. 

 

They've done some things ok.    Some things are open to question.

 

I repeat,   if people want to criticise a decision,    they can't really avoid it being a criticism of the government.    The people making the decisions.

 

Personal responsibility is good.    People should do the right things they are responsible for.    But individuals can't make their own national decisions.    We can't individually decide the country should be in lockdown.     We can't individually make macro-economic decisions.

 

Why should people not criticise the decisions if they see fit?    There's only one government making them for us.

Edited March 21, 2020 by Victorian

[Tambo_The_Jambo]

9 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Thanks👍 a case has been confirmed in the village where, untill Wednesday,my wife worked in the primary school so things are getting a bit close for comfort with us. I hope your daughter recovers fully.

Thank you stay safe 

[XB52]

4 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

We don't yet in Scotland and definitely not in a day or so. 

Greater London will be first to lockdown but it will take a lot for a Conservative government to do that.

If Corbyn was in charge we would have been confined to our houses 2 weeks ago with troops on the streets

And a lot more people alive in a few weeks

[Dazo]

8 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

They've done some things ok.    Some things are open to question.

 

I repeat,   if people want to criticise a decision,    they can't really avoid it being a criticism of the government.    The people making the decisions.

 

Personal responsibility is good.    People should do the right things they are responsible for.    But individuals can't make their own national decisions.    We can't individually decide the country should be in lockdown.     We can't individually make macro-economic decisions.

 

Why should people not criticise the decisions if they see fit?    There's only one government making them for us.

They shouldn’t criticise along side expectation. I’m self employed, I employ self employed, it isn’t the government’s responsibility to make provisions for us. Any rely employed person should make provisions for when they can’t earn, self responsibility. 

[Alan_R]

3 minutes ago, XB52 said:

And a lot more people alive in a few weeks

 

Was speaking to a norwegian today. They think we are nuts. They have been locked down for about 3 weeks. We are so far behind curve its unreal.  Cant believe weve not took heed from italy etc. Its about to get worse before it gets better

 

See beaches down south and up in the highlands its been heavin. Everyone out enjoying their "coronavirus bank holiday"

 

We need lockdown to spell it out for the numpties. Too many selfish and stupid people out there

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, Alan_R said:

 

Was speaking to a norwegian today. They think we are nuts. They have been locked down for about 3 weeks. We are so far behind curve its unreal.  Cant believe weve not took heed from italy etc. Its about to get worse before it gets better

 

See beaches down south and up in the highlands its been heavin. Everyone out enjoying their "coronavirus bank holiday"

 

We need lockdown to spell it out for the numpties. Too many selfish and stupid people out there

👍Head/Nail/Interface. 

 

 

[The Roller]

56 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

373 cases out of a population of 5.6 million

The complete arseholery we’re dealing with here.

Italy will only have 50,000 cases as well. 

 

 

 

[Cade]

[Victorian]

4 minutes ago, Dazo said:

They shouldn’t criticise along side expectation. I’m self employed, I employ self employed, it isn’t the government’s responsibility to make provisions for us. Any rely employed person should make provisions for when they can’t earn, self responsibility. 

 

So you agree with one current decision that self employed people should not be provided for.     I'm saying that there are lots of things that have been done that some people are entitled to criticise.    If they see fit to criticise then they cannot avoid the criticism being against the decision maker.     Who else should be the subject of the criticism?     It's not political.     Why is that hard to understand?

 

Good decisions have been made.     Bad as well.     I think we should be under much,  much more strict measures.     I can't really criticise Caroline Lucas or Theresa May or Ian Blackford or the Downing Street cat.     

[theshed]

4 minutes ago, Alan_R said:

 

Was speaking to a norwegian today. They think we are nuts. They have been locked down for about 3 weeks. We are so far behind curve its unreal.  Cant believe weve not took heed from italy etc. Its about to get worse before it gets better

 

See beaches down south and up in the highlands its been heavin. Everyone out enjoying their "coronavirus bank holiday"

 

We need lockdown to spell it out for the numpties. Too many selfish and stupid people out there

I came home from work today and my street was full of kids out playing like it was summer holidays 

 

As you say I think people are treating it as a holiday and lots relieved that after yesterday’s news they will get paid so not worrying as much about money so away out for the day 

[XB52]

2 hours ago, Dazo said:

Zero fakery ? 😂😂😂😂

 

This thread is littered with warped political views and opinions We are in horrendous unknown modern circumstances yet so many people are politically motivated in their posts. 

Funny how almost every post complaining about political motivation comes from the right wing Tories on here. Please keep your political views to the anti-snp threads.  There are loads of them to keep you happy

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, XB52 said:

Funny how almost every post complaining about political motivation comes from the right wing Tories on here. Please keep your political views to the anti-snp threads.  There are loads of them to keep you happy

 

I think this is true.    There is some defensive bristling going on.    

 

News for these people.    The criticism will continue if necessary but people will absolutely back the government to the hilt if the decisions are right.     Politics do not play a part.

[southcap]

Asking the important questions here. 

 

Will 'off to get mah hole' be one of the reasons permitted to leave our houses for the lockdown? 

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

Given the lack of testing the figures are meaningless.

 

Just reading.

 

London a hotspot as we've been told. In South London on March 6th there were 7 Covid-19 patients in an intensive care unit (ICE). On Match 17th there were 93. Of which 86 were on ventilators. Most on the highest level of care. Of these 49 were suspected, awaiting test results, all expected to be positive. 

[hughesie27]

2 minutes ago, southcap said:

Asking the important questions here. 

 

Will 'off to get mah hole' be one of the reasons permitted to leave our houses for the lockdown? 

Key Worker. Need to repopulate somehow.

[southcap]

1 minute ago, hughesie27 said:

Key Worker. Need to repopulate somehow.

In all seriousness though, I live alone. The thought of weeks or months without company sounds horrific. 

 

Granted, I agree and accept it's for the greater good, but when the booty calls come in, I'm gona struggle to say naw after a while of talking to the walls. 

 

The mental health aspect of this is worrying me the most, from a personal level. 

[Zlatanable]

I don't think I have ever been as scared for 7/14/21 days to pass in my life.

[Sooperstar]

1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

On the radio saying that food will be in short supply because farmers can't self isolate and work in the fields, ****ing ignorat lying *****, hes got as much idea what goes on in the countryside as ive got about quantum physics. 

I live and work in the countyside and alongside the farming communities, work is carrying as per usual, stock going to markets, seed drilling being done today ect. The BBC should hang thier heads in shame putting out his vegan propaganda the complete and utter *****.

Isn't he right though? You can't self-isolate AND work the fields?

[Jambof3tornado]

6 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Just reading.

 

London a hotspot as we've been told. In South London on March 6th there were 7 Covid-19 patients in an intensive care unit (ICE). On Match 17th there were 93. Of which 86 were on ventilators. Most on the highest level of care. Of these 49 were suspected, awaiting test results, all expected to be positive. 

You have to think the underground has played a massive role in the virus spread in london.

 

2 ENT specialists now on ventilators, yet some pubs cant follow simple fukkin guidelines.

 

This coming week is going to be messy. 

[theshed]

9 minutes ago, southcap said:

Asking the important questions here. 

 

Will 'off to get mah hole' be one of the reasons permitted to leave our houses for the lockdown? 

Going out in dead of night is ok 

 

Mind you I hope she doesn’t have it 😱

[stevie]

My story

having spent the last few weeks working and then scouring the supermarkets for essentials for family.

On Thursday I experienced high fever and had trouble breathing ,came on really quickly so I went straight home and though I’d sleep it off.

Friday morning I researched the NHS website and was advised to cal 111 .Usual press 1 for this and 2 for that,option 3 was if you don’t think it’s life threatening call your GP,so I hung up.

GP and I talked about my symptoms and she said it was impossible to diagnose over the phone but that I had some “classic symptoms”.

TBH I felt like shit but I’ve felt worse so asked if there was any way to be sure if this was Covid because although I felt shit,I’d expect it’d be much worse.

She said that 60% of people infected will feel the same as I did and that some wouldn’t even know they’d had it!

Have I got Covid?Possibly not,but maybe I have!
As a result,my Wife,two sons and myself are on a 14 day isolation.

The most important thing is that we all realise that most of us can and will beat this virus but in catching it,we’ll be in danger of giving it to the most vulnerable who don’t stand a chance.

Stay safe.

 

 

 

[southcap]

1 minute ago, theshed said:

Going out in dead of night is ok 

 

Mind you I hope she doesn’t have it 😱

Is it acceptable in areas with genuine lockdown? 

[Central Belt 1874]

3 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

We don't yet in Scotland and definitely not in a day or so. 

Greater London will be first to lockdown but it will take a lot for a Conservative government to do that.

If Corbyn was in charge we would have been confined to our houses 2 weeks ago with troops on the streets

 

Wouldn't be too sure on that. From what I've heard today things are ramping up quickly. 

[luckyBatistuta]

18 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Just reading.

 

London a hotspot as we've been told. In South London on March 6th there were 7 Covid-19 patients in an intensive care unit (ICE). On Match 17th there were 93. Of which 86 were on ventilators. Most on the highest level of care. Of these 49 were suspected, awaiting test results, all expected to be positive. 

They’re fleeing London in their droves and heading all over the country before they lock it down. 

43 minutes ago, Dazo said:

They shouldn’t criticise along side expectation. I’m self employed, I employ self employed, it isn’t the government’s responsibility to make provisions for us. Any rely employed person should make provisions for when they can’t earn, self responsibility. 

If one gets it then so should the other. 

[Zlatanable]

 

[Kalamazoo Jambo]

11 minutes ago, stevie said:

My story

having spent the last few weeks working and then scouring the supermarkets for essentials for family.

On Thursday I experienced high fever and had trouble breathing ,came on really quickly so I went straight home and though I’d sleep it off.

Friday morning I researched the NHS website and was advised to cal 111 .Usual press 1 for this and 2 for that,option 3 was if you don’t think it’s life threatening call your GP,so I hung up.

GP and I talked about my symptoms and she said it was impossible to diagnose over the phone but that I had some “classic symptoms”.

TBH I felt like shit but I’ve felt worse so asked if there was any way to be sure if this was Covid because although I felt shit,I’d expect it’d be much worse.

She said that 60% of people infected will feel the same as I did and that some wouldn’t even know they’d had it!

Have I got Covid?Possibly not,but maybe I have!
As a result,my Wife,two sons and myself are on a 14 day isolation.

The most important thing is that we all realise that most of us can and will beat this virus but in catching it,we’ll be in danger of giving it to the most vulnerable who don’t stand a chance.

Stay safe.

 

 

 

Hope you get better soon!

[Nucky Thompson]

14 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

I don't think I have ever been as scared for 7/14/21 days to pass in my life.

Having seen the Autism thread you started I can understand why.

My 22 year old son has high functioning autism and is at Uni and he is freaking out

[Jambof3tornado]

8 minutes ago, Central Belt 1874 said:

 

Wouldn't be too sure on that. From what I've heard today things are ramping up quickly. 

Not sure what your source is, but can I say they are fekkin correct.

 

By next week chances are somewhere across scotland someone will have to decide which patient lives and dies because of a lack of ventilators.

 

Numbers will jump in the next 5 to 10 days.

[Zlatanable]

3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Having seen the Autism thread you started I can understand why.

My 22 year old son has high functioning autism and is at Uni and he is freaking out

I was thinking more of in general. (I might have been more acutely scared after one of my parents was diagnosed with cancer)

I meant, the numbers in UK are highly likely to start growing in bigger and bigger numbers, and we get to witness them each day. 

 

Me and being autistic will deal with this, no choice but to. 

 

 

[Nucky Thompson]

1 minute ago, Zlatanable said:

I was thinking more of in general. (I might have been more acutely scared after one of my parents was diagnosed with cancer)

I meant, the numbers in UK are highly likely to start growing in bigger and bigger numbers, and we get to witness them each day. 

 

Me and being autistic will deal with this, no choice but to. 

 

 

Yeah I know. My sons anxiety has went overboard and he has went to his grandparents in the Scottish borders because he doesn't want to be locked down in Edinburgh. Down there in the village he can wander about in the fields without feeling caged up.

That's the reason I want to take a more measured approach. It wouldn't look good if his dad was panicking

[CJGJ]

32 minutes ago, stevie said:

My story

having spent the last few weeks working and then scouring the supermarkets for essentials for family.

On Thursday I experienced high fever and had trouble breathing ,came on really quickly so I went straight home and though I’d sleep it off.

Friday morning I researched the NHS website and was advised to cal 111 .Usual press 1 for this and 2 for that,option 3 was if you don’t think it’s life threatening call your GP,so I hung up.

GP and I talked about my symptoms and she said it was impossible to diagnose over the phone but that I had some “classic symptoms”.

TBH I felt like shit but I’ve felt worse so asked if there was any way to be sure if this was Covid because although I felt shit,I’d expect it’d be much worse.

She said that 60% of people infected will feel the same as I did and that some wouldn’t even know they’d had it!

Have I got Covid?Possibly not,but maybe I have!
As a result,my Wife,two sons and myself are on a 14 day isolation.

The most important thing is that we all realise that most of us can and will beat this virus but in catching it,we’ll be in danger of giving it to the most vulnerable who don’t stand a chance.

Stay safe.

 

 

 

A decision had to be made and for your family and friends the right one but my one issue and not one you are responsible for is after self isolation what is to stop you or your family catching it if you have not been tested and never actually had it ?

 

We need to test and quickly starting with everyone in the health service on the front line and working out from there.

[Bongo 1874]

Stay strong people and world. 

[151]

1 hour ago, theshed said:

I came home from work today and my street was full of kids out playing like it was summer holidays 

 

As you say I think people are treating it as a holiday and lots relieved that after yesterday’s news they will get paid so not worrying as much about money so away out for the day 

 

My work has still been open up until this point and my kids were in school until yesterday. We are planning a walk tomorrow around Falkland just the 4 of us. 

 

Are people genuinely suggesting that we spend 3 months indoors? As in like prison? 

 

Serious question btw. Is this what folk mean by "lockdown"?

 

Because if so, there will be huge problems after this of mental health, possible suicide rate soaring, then you will get people who then abuse alcohol and drugs after it when they finally can go out etc. 

 

No chance im staying in for months. None.

[hughesie27]

4 minutes ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said:

 

My work has still been open up until this point and my kids were in school until yesterday. We are planning a walk tomorrow around Falkland just the 4 of us. 

 

Are people genuinely suggesting that we spend 3 months indoors? As in like prison? 

 

Serious question btw. Is this what folk mean by "lockdown"?

 

Because if so, there will be huge problems after this of mental health, possible suicide rate soaring, then you will get people who then abuse alcohol and drugs after it when they finally can go out etc. 

 

No chance im staying in for months. None.

We aren't in lockdown yet and going a walk in an open park is perfectly fine just now. In an actual lockdown like the seen in Italy you wouldn't be able to do that though.

[151]

Just now, hughesie27 said:

We aren't in lockdown yet and going a walk in an open park is perfectly fine just now. In an actual lockdown like the seen in Italy you wouldn't be able to do that though.

 

In which case I would struggle. As in mentally. I go to the gym 4 times a week and usually play fives at least once a week. Usually walk too and back from the gym which is about 40mins all in. And me and my family enjoy walks in the wildlife etc. I would worry about my wellbeing in that case.

[Nucky Thompson]

5 minutes ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said:

 

My work has still been open up until this point and my kids were in school until yesterday. We are planning a walk tomorrow around Falkland just the 4 of us. 

 

Are people genuinely suggesting that we spend 3 months indoors? As in like prison? 

 

Serious question btw. Is this what folk mean by "lockdown"?

 

Because if so, there will be huge problems after this of mental health, possible suicide rate soaring, then you will get people who then abuse alcohol and drugs after it when they finally can go out etc. 

 

No chance im staying in for months. None.

Exactly. I've been on the beach with the dog and there are loads of people but everyone is keeping well apart.

I don't see the point in locking everyone up in their houses as long as we keep social distancing 

[Zlatanable]

10 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Yeah I know. My sons anxiety has went overboard and he has went to his grandparents in the Scottish borders because he doesn't want to be locked down in Edinburgh. Down there in the village he can wander about in the fields without feeling caged up.

That's the reason I want to take a more measured approach. It wouldn't look good if his dad was panicking

I'm middle-aged. I have experience I can refer to. 

 

Feel free to message me if you ever want to. 

 

I'm a lively mixture of panic/anxiety/ laughter/wanting to sleep for 6 months/ booze/ other things/ fatigue. I think a lot of people are similar. 

 

I predict my #ActuallyAutistic things will be a major factor in the next 3 months. I am facing major changes. 

 

I think your son would be ok if you were panicking or what not, if you tell him how you are feeling. Honesty between people, goes a long way. 

[Mikey1874]

13 minutes ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said:

 

My work has still been open up until this point and my kids were in school until yesterday. We are planning a walk tomorrow around Falkland just the 4 of us. 

 

Are people genuinely suggesting that we spend 3 months indoors? As in like prison? 

 

Serious question btw. Is this what folk mean by "lockdown"?

 

Because if so, there will be huge problems after this of mental health, possible suicide rate soaring, then you will get people who then abuse alcohol and drugs after it when they finally can go out etc. 

 

No chance im staying in for months. None.

 

What is being said is the virus transfers through contact between people.

 

And the virus will kill a lot of people. 

[Ibrahim Tall]

10 minutes ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said:

 

In which case I would struggle. As in mentally. I go to the gym 4 times a week and usually play fives at least once a week. Usually walk too and back from the gym which is about 40mins all in. And me and my family enjoy walks in the wildlife etc. I would worry about my wellbeing in that case.

Apologies for being blunt would you rather be ill or have it on your conscience that you’ve got someone else ill or dead? From my own view the latter would **** me up far more mentally than a relatively short time indoors will.

 

Previous generations have been thrown into war zones etc in the defence of those at back home, all anyone is being as here(eventually) is to stay at home for a month or two. It’s shit but it’s hardly the greatest sacrifice in history.

Exercise is still perfectly possible (and advisable) at home without even leaving the house or garden.

 

[kingantti1874]

23 minutes ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said:

 

My work has still been open up until this point and my kids were in school until yesterday. We are planning a walk tomorrow around Falkland just the 4 of us. 

 

Are people genuinely suggesting that we spend 3 months indoors? As in like prison? 

 

Serious question btw. Is this what folk mean by "lockdown"?

 

Because if so, there will be huge problems after this of mental health, possible suicide rate soaring, then you will get people who then abuse alcohol and drugs after it when they finally can go out etc. 

 

No chance im staying in for months. None.

that is exactly what is required, it is exactly what has been implemented in China and I Europe.. I expect it to come, and if we follow the lead of the continent which we must to save lives then there will be heavy punishments for those who break it..

 

this will be the hardest year of most of our lives.. 

[Cade]

Lockdown doesn't mean house arrest

 

You can still go out for a number of permitted reasons.

You just can't mill about in large numbers in public.

 

[Taffin]

Lockdown might help people develop a little more mental fortitude. Nobody wants to be stuck inside but it's hardly the worst thing in the world.

[151]

10 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said:

Apologies for being blunt would you rather be ill or have it on your conscience that you’ve got someone else ill or dead? From my own view the latter would **** me up far more mentally than a relatively short time indoors will.

 

Previous generations have been thrown into war zones etc in the defence of those at back home, all anyone is being as here(eventually) is to stay at home for a month or two. It’s shit but it’s hardly the greatest sacrifice in history.

Exercise is still perfectly possible (and advisable) at home without even leaving the house or garden.

 

 

It isn't a relatively short period of time though if it is 3 months? And I am never in the company of elderly people. Elderly people have been told to stay indoors so am I to feel guilty of passing a cough on through a third party or fourth party? 

 

I know it sounds selfish and will sound selfish to folk on here. I have seen people calling for lockdown now so I understand they will feel like it is unreasonable to go out. 

 

But I can't imagine a whole country sat inside their houses doing absolutely nothing. That will change people. 

[milky_26]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Lockdown might help people develop a little more mental fortitude. Nobody wants to be stuck inside but it's hardly the worst thing in the world.

depending upon how long it is, it could be for people who live alone. 

[151]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Lockdown might help people develop a little more mental fortitude. Nobody wants to be stuck inside but it's hardly the worst thing in the world.

 

Nothing to do with mental fortitude. It is a desire to do. 

 

Not sure if it was a dig at my post but I can assure you mental fortitude and robustness is not something I lack.

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

depending upon how long it is, it could be for people who live alone. 

 

I live alone. I don't predict it will be fun but work, books, exercise, gaming, films, music, video calls and other hobbies will pass the time. Sure, much more than 3 months and I can see how it could be pretty from but still far from being the worst thing in the world.

[CJGJ]

2 hours ago, Alan_R said:

 

Was speaking to a norwegian today. They think we are nuts. They have been locked down for about 3 weeks. We are so far behind curve its unreal.  Cant believe weve not took heed from italy etc. Its about to get worse before it gets better

 

See beaches down south and up in the highlands its been heavin. Everyone out enjoying their "coronavirus bank holiday"

 

We need lockdown to spell it out for the numpties. Too many selfish and stupid people out there

Given they only went into lockdown on the 12th of March I doubt your story

 

Once more the internet allows all sorts of claims to be made not backed up with facts

[jonesy]

29 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Exactly. I've been on the beach with the dog and there are loads of people but everyone is keeping well apart.

I don't see the point in locking everyone up in their houses as long as we keep social distancing 

 

Seems a sensible enough approach to me.

 

Taking my sons to the hills tomorrow for a hike so we can enjoy the spring sunshine and feel a little better about the world. There are - understandably - a lot of people feared of life itself at the moment. It’s hard not to get sucked in to this mentality, but a positive outlook and feeling as independent as possible is essential. Feeling at the mercy of the headlines and an ‘invisible enemy’ is a downward spiral.

 

Other than ourselves, don’t see the need for anyone to be within 2m of us on the walk.

 

[Ibrahim Tall]

6 minutes ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said:

 

It isn't a relatively short period of time though if it is 3 months? And I am never in the company of elderly people. Elderly people have been told to stay indoors so am I to feel guilty of passing a cough on through a third party or fourth party? 

 

I know it sounds selfish and will sound selfish to folk on here. I have seen people calling for lockdown now so I understand they will feel like it is unreasonable to go out. 

 

But I can't imagine a whole country sat inside their houses doing absolutely nothing. That will change people. 

3 months is around 90 days, the average person lives around 27,000 days in a lifetime. Yes, it is a relatively short period of time.
 

On the last point ‘doing nothing’ is entirely your choice in that scenario, assuming you weren’t working from home there’s still a million things you could be doing, be that working out, reading, learning a new skill, learning a language etc. You’re not locked in a dark room with no electricity staring a wall 24/7. 
 

 

[milky_26]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I live alone. I don't predict it will be fun but work, books, exercise, gaming, films, music, video calls and other hobbies will pass the time. Sure, much more than 3 months and I can see how it could be pretty from but still far from being the worst thing in the world.

look at the mental health of JKBrs who have posted on the depression thread, for some people like that it could be close to the worst thing in the world.